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321 durable postsStarted 2006-09-30Latest 2006-10-30
#735001Post 241 of 321

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[QUOTE=thesightless;395707]yo, NY is a baseball town. it takes over. its the biggest and best baseball market. [/QUOTE]

Well, it is certainly the biggest, no argument from me on that, but I'm not just talking about raw numbers. I'd bet that on a per capita basis, i.e., fans as a ratio of the population, St. Louis has you beat cold.

For the record, I basically lived in Manhattan for the entire 2002 season, so I'm not just talking purely out of my ass here -- I actually have a basis for comparing the two.

#735003Post 242 of 321

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using that comparision i hope every city outside of LA beats us. we have about 11 million people living in a 50 mile circumference of the stadiums.

#735112Post 243 of 321

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weather update:

[QUOTE]As for the rainy St. Louis weather prior Game 4, Associated Press reporter Jim Salter had this mid-afternoon update:

Fans attending Game 4 of the World Series at Busch Stadium can expect to get wet, but the game may go on.

In a postseason that has already seen its share of foul weather, rain was forecast for Wednesday night in St. Louis, where the Cardinals host the Detroit Tigers. But contrary to projections from a day earlier that called for a potential downpour, the updated forecast sounded like something the teams could play through.

"We're expecting a fairly persistent, light rain or drizzle throughout the game," said Mark Britt, a meteorologist at the National Weather Service office in suburban St. Louis. "There could be some brief moderate rain.

"Overall, it looks like kind of an ugly night -- nothing severe." He projected total rainfall during the game of one-tenth to one-quarter of an inch.[/QUOTE]

It looks like shit out, but we may get this done after all...

#735151Post 244 of 321

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930 PM gametime.

#738066Post 245 of 321

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[quote=thesightless;395904]930 PM gametime.[/quote]

:lol:

#738106Post 246 of 321

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[URL]http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/writers/jon_heyman/10/25/heyman.series/index.html?cnn=yes[/URL]

ouch. he is wrong though, a good pitching performance is better than a 7-5 game. keeps the tension high, and leaves you waiting and waiting..and frankly, it is the best pitched series in a long time. since the david cone yanks IMO

#738109Post 247 of 321

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WHY?!!!!?!?!?!??!?!?!!??!?

[URL]http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2639001[/URL]

#738113Post 248 of 321

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[quote]At the risk of sounding New York-centric, the interest would be greater with one of the New York teams (one, but not both, because I firmly believe the last thing this country wanted to see was another Subway Series). Having one New York team gives everyone else a rooting interest.[/quote] :lol: greater for who? new yorkers maybe. hey buddy, ny didn't make it, go suck on your thumb, asshole.

i think this world series is fantastic. that's the problem with baseball fans today, everybody wants to see a homerun, when baseball is really about pitching. 1-0 games are the best.

i love that NY and the east coast isn't in it anymore. it weeds out the fair weather fans.

#738115Post 249 of 321

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^^you've got some tickets, right? Were you out there last night?

#738116Post 250 of 321

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we both sat online at 9am when ticket sales went on, and tried for 30 minutes to get in to buy tix...didn't make it. been watching it from the loft. was funny, when the national anthem was over game 3, the jets flew over, and i'm watcing it on tv, and hear the jets go over on the television and in the air and then watch them shoot past my window, talk about surround sound.

#738117Post 251 of 321

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NY are great fans, not just fair weather(8 milion ppl this year, yanks sold out every game), and i agree with you on the subway series. it would only give US juice, this is better for the country as a whole. but these shitty teams on the national scale arent helping. it is so far the lowest rated series ever.

#738135Post 252 of 321

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[quote=thesightless;396296]NY are great fans, not just fair weather(8 milion ppl this year, yanks sold out every game),[/quote]

you don't need to keep posting NY's resume, we get it. ;)

#738136Post 253 of 321

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you keep spouting the same thing, i keep replying. a fun little game.

#738165Post 254 of 321

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OK, need some advice here.

I have tickets for tonight's game, which I had because I wanted to see the potential clincher. With the rainout last night, my tickets are now for game 4 rather than 5. It could get rained out, which would set everything back, as far as I know.

A friend of mine is offering me a standing room ticket for tonight, and I have an option to swap my ticket for tonight (which is in a seat) for the makeup game. Taking that would guarantee that I got to see the last game played here, but there's a real good chance, I think, that the game will be rained out, meaning I'd be watching Game 5 in SRO.

I'm torn. Thoughts?

#738167Post 255 of 321

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a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

not sure if that applies here actually.

when in rome.

#738200Post 256 of 321

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[QUOTE=Jenks;396349]a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

not sure if that applies here actually.

when in rome.[/QUOTE]

uh, thanks

#738210Post 257 of 321

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i'm optimistic usually, but the realist tells me Jim Leyland isn't letting us close out this series in STL. So, i'd take my seat tonight, over SRO tomorrow night, if you're only reasoning is to get to go to a closeout game.

#738222Post 258 of 321

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francesca just made a great great point..... not on these teams or the games... but something older...

big mac cant even show his face, due to the absolute disgrace he is right now. the team and league agreed not to allow him to throw a first pitch (from selig himself), he hasnt been to a game yet, and the media is ignoring him....

must not be very nice not to be able to show your face in a place where you were once held as a god.

i didnt realize this at first but its true, and its a shame for the game and for him more than anything..

''i dont want to talk about the past"........:CrackUp:

#738235Post 259 of 321

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Yeah, everyone in this city pretty much turned their backs on McGwire. He IS a disgrace imo. Loved last year when i went to a game some fan had his McGwire jersey on, except took black electrical tape and put a big X over the back of it. lol. Nice one.

What i still don't get is how NY embraces Giambi the cheater? Wether you come clean or not, a cheater is a cheater in my book. Giambi basically got his 25million dollar contract by cheating. Palmiero, Cheater. Bonds, Cheater. Sammy, Cheater. What gets me about Barry is, he would have gone down as one of the greatest of all time without the roids. Greed. Sad isn't it?

#738246Post 260 of 321

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yup.

i'll give you the reasons why giambi has been embraced moreso than them. you can agree or not, thats your decision. ill just give you where they are coming from.

he, once it was leaked, came out with it. he held a press conference for any media that wanted to show up and stood in front of the firing range. it affected his game a lot. to the point where cashman asked him to go down to AAA to work on it. he said no way, and fought back, all the while answering and facing the questions and giving honest answers. he also said that he gave up his union clause and said if someone wants to test him they could. he fought back , while being much less of a homer hitter, and became a pure linedrive hitter for us, and got a lot of big hits. call it pity, call it a story, but NY loves the underdog, and that is what he became. he never once fought against the allegations, but owned up, and worked hard to get back. he is a gamer for the most part as well. he never pulled the shit the others did, he came back and didnt hide. you really cant ask for more. unless you are a hater and ask him to retire.

#738247Post 261 of 321

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and toasty, if you dont attend these games, i will hunt you down. there are a few principles to live by and taking advantage of a world series game is one of them. i dont care if you sit or stand, but you better be there. im calling you 20 minutes after first pitch and if i dont hear crowds..... IP BAN IMO>

#738251Post 262 of 321

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yeah i get that, and would have had at least a little respect for mcgwire if he had done the same thing. cheater is still a cheater tho imo. they'll never get any of my respect.

#738269Post 263 of 321

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Alright. Went ahead and took the SRO ticket, so I'll be at the park tonight, tomorrow, and for any make-up games. I've stopped the rain dance, however, because I'm now pulling for tonight's game to get played.

Quite the whirlwind. I haven't had so much weather-related trouble since that storm knocked out power in half the city in July...

#738270Post 264 of 321

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thank you rabbi gellman for expressing it so greatly.

[QUOTE] Oct. 25, 2006 - The arrival of the World Series this year convinced me that God is dead (proof: the Mets are gone) and that God is not dead (proof: the Yankees are also gone). Trying to stretch beyond my own parochial rooting interests, I want to make a serious case for the proposition that baseball is the most powerful path to assimilation into American culture. Without assimilation America dies and immigrant cultures are radicalized. America is not just another country, not just another culture, not just another experiment in democracy. America stands for a single great truth, [I]e pluribus unum[/I], ?out of many, one.? Our self-understanding demands that we welcome and assimilate all those storm-tossed travelers who pass beneath the golden torch.

The ways this assimilation has proceeded are well known to us all. We speak English. We have no monarchy. We have no inherited ruling class. We believe in public education. We gather in public parks. We live in integrated neighborhoods. We respect all religions and establish no religion. Our humor does not insult. Most of us buy our clothes from the same stores and most all of us own blue jeans. We don?t all like the same music, but we know the same music. We can all sing ?God Bless America? and we can all say the Pledge of Allegiance. Mostly, nobody cares when your ancestors came to America or if they were here all along. We celebrate very few holidays together, but the ones we do celebrate, like July Fourth and Thanksgiving, are celebrated by all Americans. We all eat pizza and the same junk food. Not all these paths of assimilation are working now as well as they once worked. Many immigrants don?t learn English; this hurts them and it hurts America. Many people are so rich that their children are beginning to behave like royalty; this hurts them and it hurts America. Our parks are not all as safe as they should be, and some neighborhoods remain frosty to ?others.? The status of public schools and public-school teachers is too low. The music my kids like is violent noise. But on balance, America is still able to gently seduce, not coerce, millions of immigrants into a passionate love for this place.

Of all the ways we have tried to make one out of many, the most powerful cultural force has been baseball. Basketball is too small and too new, soccer is too European, hockey is too white. The football season is too short and the squads too few. Baseball provides America with emotionally compelling teams, and these teams allow anyone to be a fanatic?a culturally constructive fanatic. At 162 games, the baseball season is long enough to get deeply involved in your team?s fate and gives you a chance to attend a game (there are 81 home games, compared with eight in football). The teams have enough players so that, no matter what your ethnic background is, there is bound to be a professional baseball player whose grandma served him the same greasy, artery-clogging ethnic food you were forced to eat as a child. Baseball is just as good on the radio (I think it?s better), so you don?t need a television to watch it. It is filled with stupid and important statistics that kids can memorize. It also has neat packs of player cards.

I do not believe that beginning every baseball game with the national anthem is an instance of excessive patriotic zeal. I believe it to be a joyous and unifying secular hymn whose last words are always overwhelmed by fans cheering their team and their country and their freedom and their joy at being blessed to live here: ?O say, does that star-spangled banner yet wave/ O?er the land of the free and the home of the brave?? In participating in these secular rituals of baseball, you make a team [I]your[/I] team?and you make America [I]your [/I]America. Your team divides you from the fans of other teams, but that?s strangely unifying. All the fans of all the teams love the game. Your team is different from your religion, which can be divisive and is usually grimly serious. Your team is different than being an American, which is so big a characterization that it is almost meaningless. Your team is the way you break up America into bite-sized pieces. And when you are at a game, and when your team scores, you slap hands with people you do not know. This, and not your passport, is what really makes you into an American. [/QUOTE]

#738272Post 265 of 321

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+1 8)

agree with this too, especially here-

[quote]Baseball is just as good on the radio (I think it?s better),[/quote]

even if i watch the game on tv, i mute the sound and listen to mike shannon on 550, what used to be jack buck on 1120.

#738275Post 266 of 321

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i wish i could do that for the yanks. but thier radio guy is the worst of all the teams......

thier TV guys i can deal with though, cuz they had jim kaat, and paul o neill and joe girardi, all of whom are wonderful.

luckily, i appreciate all good ball. so i can listen the mets guys anytime on the radio, they are up there with the best. the best guy is vin scully, followed by the former red sox announcers, and then chicago cubbies, and then the mets guys.... the st loius guy gets too over the top for my tastes, with his ''get up get up" calls for homers.... not my thing. i like the guys who go by the book and show emotion without being a shill.

#738277Post 267 of 321

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[QUOTE=Jenks;396293]we both sat online at 9am when ticket sales went on, and tried for 30 minutes to get in to buy tix...didn't make it. been watching it from the loft. was funny, when the national anthem was over game 3, the jets flew over, and i'm watcing it on tv, and hear the jets go over on the television and in the air and then watch them shoot past my window, talk about surround sound.[/QUOTE]

We have the same deal at our place when they go over south to north rather than west to east, except we hear them before they go over the stadium. I had forgotten my ticket for a game earlier in the year and had to go back, so I was walking into my house at gametime. This fighter went directly over my house, not more than a few hundred feet in a heavily banked turn. Ubercool.

What a rush it must be to fly one of those things. I can't even imagine.

#738283Post 268 of 321

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[quote=thesightless;396470]i wish i could do that for the yanks. but thier radio guy is the worst of all the teams......

thier TV guys i can deal with though, cuz they had jim kaat, and paul o neill and joe girardi, all of whom are wonderful.

luckily, i appreciate all good ball. so i can listen the mets guys anytime on the radio, they are up there with the best. the best guy is vin scully, followed by the former red sox announcers, and then chicago cubbies, and then the mets guys.... the st loius guy gets too over the top for my tastes, with his ''get up get up" calls for homers.... not my thing. i like the guys who go by the book and show emotion without being a shill.[/quote]

if you're at home and up to it when the Cards play again, 550 KTRS streams Shannon's broadcast online. [URL]http://www.ktrs.com/[/URL]

Mike Shannon rules after a budweiser or ten. He might take some getting used to for out of towners, but around here he's pretty much a legend. I was driving in from out of town last night while the game was ppd, and Mike's broadcast was still running, because they didn't know when if the game was going to start or not, so he basically told old baseball stories for a few hours. All his times with Kofax, Gibson, staying out really late on game nights getting lit...It was awesome. He gets all giggly about old time baseball. Shannon is a throwback.

#738286Post 269 of 321

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dude, where i live.... there is an airport called republic airport here on long island, and that is where Air force one flies into for anything in NY... my house is due south and they come off the ocean to the ariport right over my house. and dude, when air force one comes in with an escort of F-16's, flying at about 300 feet above your head..... holy shit.... for the last few times, the escort fighters will fly back down to maryland but take a minute to have some low altitude fun over the bay out the back of my house... god i sit there like ''i would give up a years pay to fuck around in that thing for a few hours...""

#738289Post 270 of 321

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as to jenks, that is why i miss phil ''scooter'' rizzuto, so much. you cant beat the stories he had... to think he played from 41 to 56 on all those great yankees teams with the likes of mantle, maris, berra, stottlymyer, and the rest.... god he was great, funny too.

#738300Post 271 of 321

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[QUOTE=thesightless;396482]dude, where i live.... there is an airport called republic airport here on long island, and that is where Air force one flies into for anything in NY... my house is due south and they come off the ocean to the ariport right over my house. and dude, when air force one comes in with an escort of F-16's, flying at about 300 feet above your head..... holy shit.... for the last few times, the escort fighters will fly back down to maryland but take a minute to have some low altitude fun over the bay out the back of my house... god i sit there like ''i would give up a years pay to fuck around in that thing for a few hours...""[/QUOTE]

Good news: get to watch fighter jets doing really stuff Bad news: means that Bush is in your town.

:D

#738303Post 272 of 321

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[QUOTE=thesightless;396482]god i sit there like ''i would give up a years pay to fuck around in that thing for a few hours...""[/QUOTE]

you can fly a Mig for less than a year's pay:

[url]http://www.flymig.com/[/url]

can I have the balance of your salary as a finder's fee?

#738306Post 273 of 321

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no. an emphatic no.

#738442Post 274 of 321

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got my seats upgraded. on the field, row 5. :)

#738665Post 275 of 321

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what a game! Eckstein was playing out of his mind, going 4 for 5, and Rolen was hitting the ball well, too. Really, though, just good small ball and taking advantage of every opportunity the Tigers (or the weather) gave them.

Busch was pandemonium after the game. Dogs and cats, living together, the whole nine yards. Can't wait for tonight (assuming this rain clears)...

:RockOn:

#738670Post 276 of 321

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[quote=toasty;396897]what a game! Eckstein was playing out of his mind, going 4 for 5, and Rolen was hitting the ball well, too. Really, though, just good small ball and taking advantage of every opportunity the Tigers (or the weather) gave them.

Busch was pandemonium after the game. Dogs and cats, living together, the whole nine yards. Can't wait for tonight (assuming this rain clears)...

:RockOn:[/quote]

definitely going out tonight to catch the game near the stadium.

#738682Post 277 of 321

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[QUOTE=Jenks;396902]definitely going out tonight to catch the game near the stadium.[/QUOTE]

I haven't been to Paddy O's all season, but couldn't resist last night. It wasn't as impossibly crowded as I would have expected -- guess the crop of bars that have popped up around the stadium, and the fact that they basically charge in-stadium prices for beer, have diluted the crowd some. Still a good time, though.

Have you been to Shannon's yet? It looks cool, but I'm always coming from the opposite direction and haven't had the chance. Might check that out tonight, unless tradition once again takes hold and I end up at Paddy O's after the game...

#738700Post 278 of 321

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hey jimbo, just turned my phone on..

your text i got it.

yeah, big game by david, couple of lucky breaks with the two big errors by granderson and rodney, and boom, ya grab the lead, and also, you definetely found your new closer.

but history warns us that each tigers/ cards series is won by the loser of game 4... eeery.

#738710Post 279 of 321

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[quote=thesightless;396936]

you definetely found your new closer.[/quote]

yep...did you see the filth he was throwing?

#738720Post 280 of 321

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i still cant get over the fact that pooholes isnt a factor yet. but i did call taht the other 3 would be (jim,scott,dave)

and tonight, i get to see weaver rip shit.... i cant beleive he found himself finally.

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