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[QUOTE=thesightless;396956]i still cant get over the fact that pooholes isnt a factor yet. [/QUOTE]

I was thinking about this, too. He is a factor to the extent that he is probably going to be a baserunner most of the time he comes to the plate -- he's obviously intentionally walked quite a bit, but there are also a number of "unintentional" intentional walks he draws as well, where they just won't throw him anything worth swinging at. As a result, despite his disappointing batting average, he led the team in runs scored in the Divisional Series and the LCS, and he's second only to the resurgent Rolen in runs scored in the World Series.

That said, he's been in a number of situations where he's had runners in scoring position and they've had to challenge him, and he hasn't come through. That's disappointing. Good news, though, is that we've demonstrated that we don't need him to have a big game to win. It's our pitching staff and a team effort that have carried us to this point.

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From a strategy standpoint, having poohole in the 3 hole changes the makeup of the lineup wether he's murdering the ball or striking out. Pitchers know what he's capable of, and that fear creates all sorts of problems for Detroit, and lifts the Cards. As you said, they're still pitching around him, thankfully the rest of the order is picking it up. Heard Dusty Baker say on ESPN "If you lose, fine, you lose, but you don't let their best player beat you." (talking about pujols in the nlcs)

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yes, but in big games, players like albert and arod need to be able to hit a pitchers pitch in a tough spot, when they arent being walked. he, like alex, hasnt done it yet. but from our end, the pitchers knew alex was LOST, so they didnt walk him.

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eeeehhhh, i know you just didn't compare alex to albert. lol.

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outside of this year, they are essentially the same player. albert hits a little higher average, arod is better in the feild and on the basepath. other than that, they have fairly identical numbers and performances in the postseason.

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[quote=thesightless;397008]outside of this year,[/quote]

yeah, you can't do that tho.

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then my point is even more proven. i just looked at thier stats on MLB.com

and frankly, they are nearly identical players. funny that this year brought out attitude problems with both of thme as well. ironic.

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pujols doesnt have any attitude problems around here, only with dumbass sports writers, which i dont read, or care about. whats not identical btw, is that one is playing right now and the other one isnt. ;)

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bro, it was the st louis papers that first reported the ''surlyness''

edit :: Bryan Burwell of the dispatch was the original author.

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on a different note, how 'bout that Joel Zumaya? I officially love seeing that guy pitch. 3 walks, a hit, and two costly fielding errors leading to 3 runs, only one of which he actually made us earn. If we end up winning this thing, he gets my vote for MVP. I don't care how hard he throws, he can pitch against us anytime. :D

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[QUOTE=thesightless;397038]bro, it was the st louis papers that first reported the ''surlyness''

edit :: Bryan Burwell of the dispatch was the original author.[/QUOTE]

and? still sports writers...

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[quote=toasty;397047]on a different note, how 'bout that Joel Zumaya? I officially love seeing that guy pitch. 3 walks, a hit, and two costly fielding errors leading to 3 runs, only one of which he actually made us earn. If we end up winning this thing, he gets my vote for MVP. I don't care how hard he throws, he can pitch against us anytime. :D[/quote]

be careful. dont ever look a bull in the eyes. you dont want a guy who throws 104 hitting the zone. he has proven he can. just not all the time. you dont want to be in game 7, down 3 runs inthe 8th with this guy on target. be careful.

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and yeah sportwriters know a lot more than any of us, they are in the lockeroom, at practice, on the planes, on the road.... we just see a little.

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[QUOTE=thesightless;397062]and yeah sportwriters know a lot more than any of us, they are in the lockeroom, at practice, on the planes, on the road.... we just see a little.[/QUOTE]

sours grapes, imo...

great sign from last night -- can't get it to imbed, for some reason:

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;)

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page not available. imageshack it.

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[quote=thesightless;397062]and yeah sportwriters know a lot more than any of us, they are in the lockeroom, at practice, on the planes, on the road.... we just see a little.[/quote]

IF you lived here, you would know 1- the Post Disgrace is just that, a disgrace. and that 2. Brian Burwell isn't that resepcted among local writers and broadcasters. he's always spinning the negative to get his name in the papers. rule #1 in journalism school - the writer should never become part of the story. he broke rule 1. that's freshman shit man. i listen to local am radio pretty much all day, and you'd be amazed the stories that came out after he put up that stir piece. not like i'd expect you to know any of this tho because you're hearing it a thousand miles away filtered through other moronic sports writers from espn and the like. burwell is an idiot. take his word over mine and hundreds of other local writers who follow the team tho if that suits your argument.

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i dont care what you think, its your home team, and more than a few ppl said it. where there is smoke there is fire.

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[QUOTE=thesightless;397086]page not available. imageshack it.[/QUOTE]

Working fine for me. Don't have an imageshack account and don't really have time to look into it. Oh well. I'll give you a preview. It says:

METS & YANKS: HOW'S THE TV RECEPTION?

;)

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the same it was for you guys the last decade i would assume.

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touche

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[quote=toasty;397103] METS & YANKS: HOW'S THE TV RECEPTION?

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lol.

sean your argument is like me trying to tell you where to get the best slice of pizza in NY. but it's a pointless one, since you've already made it up in your mind you're what you want to believe. so...i digress...

are you even enjoying baseball right now, self proclaimed fan of all fans?

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ask toasty, i called his ass last night while he was at the game, and ben and jose (-two) were nice enough to turn off soccer to let me catch the game at ruby's place.

like i said, i love the game above all else. i went to over 30 games this season and that was a low mark for the last few years. its my game, and there is so much more to it than the yanks for me. i watched most of chase utleys games during his streak, manny as well. also a huge fan of watching the phillies and marlins during the second half, i saw every pitch after the third inning of sanchez's perfect game too.

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sweet. ;)

then lets both talk about what's happening right now instead of what some fucktard sportswriter has to say, and all that nonsense OUTSIDE of the game itself. making a story about anything other than the game right now is retarted. which is why i respect larussa for not making a huge deal out of pine tar boy on the hump for detroit.

this series is fantastic to me, and i'm not the least bit sorry the half ass fans across the nation can't get into two teams from the heartland slugging and pitching it out.

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to you and me, this is a good series, a little disappointing in that the tigers arent making a game with ordonez and polanco looking like arod. but good pitching rules, it creates a tenseness in the game while you wait for ''THE INNING" to occur, watching guys get out of jams like rodney did last night despite two errors....

there are so many comparisions to life when it coems to the game......

[B][U]the kids[/U][/B] canoe, melky, howard, verlander, zuamaya, reyes, wright, papelbon, liriano

[B][U]the gods[/U][/B] jeter, pujols, arod (to a degree), ortiz, bonds, manny,

[B][U]the heroes[/U][/B] rolen, edmunds, jeter, aaron fucking boone, edgar martinez, brocious and martinez in 98, ordonez in the ALCS, those who arent neccessarily great players, but seem to be in the mix when it counts

[B][U]the ACES[/U][/B] carpentier, rogers, moose, david cone, clemens, pettite, santana, schilling, becett, willis...

obviously there are so many more. the big moments, the gutty plays, tough at bats that lead to advancing runners. guys like so taguchi pinch hitting in big spots and laying down a double in the gap.....

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tell you what, too -- at the risk of trumpeting my good fortune too much, doing the little switcheroo thing with my tickets ended up being a huge score for me. Ended up with seats for tonight's game, and got to watch yesterday's game 5 friggin' rows off the field just inside the right field foul pole.

The scene at Busch last night was just incredible; the energy in there was off the scale. When Eckstein hit that double off of Zumaya, it was like everything slowed down while the ball was in the air. He hit the ball, the place erupted for just a split second, then got quiet as we all watched Monroe close on the ball. I swear it looked like he was going to get there. Then, it went off the end of his glove and Busch instantly filled with sound again, louder than I've ever heard it, and that includes numerous playoff games, McGwire's home run chase, all of it. It was just bedlam, and if I didn't have tickets tonight, I'd be sure it would be the crowning moment of my sports-watching existence.

Can't wait for tonight -- just got to get this rain out of the picture...

just had to get that off my chest -- am bursting here

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not feeling too optimistic about this game tonight -- check out this radar:

[url]http://wwwa.accuweather.com/radar-state.asp?partner=forecastfox&traveler=1&site=MO_&type=RE&anim=1&level=state&large=0[/url]

This system seems to be just hanging over St. Louis, and we are getting drenched. Even if it stops raining, I could see there still being some drainage issues for a while...

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[QUOTE=Jenks;396478]if you're at home and up to it when the Cards play again, 550 KTRS streams Shannon's broadcast online. [URL]http://www.ktrs.com/[/URL]

Mike Shannon rules after a budweiser or ten. He might take some getting used to for out of towners, but around here he's pretty much a legend. I was driving in from out of town last night while the game was ppd, and Mike's broadcast was still running, because they didn't know when if the game was going to start or not, so he basically told old baseball stories for a few hours. All his times with Kofax, Gibson, staying out really late on game nights getting lit...It was awesome. He gets all giggly about old time baseball. Shannon is a throwback.[/QUOTE]

Had someone forward me this list of Shannonisms, seemed apropos to share it here:

• "This big standing-room only crowd is settling into their seats."
• "It's raining like a Chinese fire drill!"
• (After Brian Jordan was hit by a pitch for the 4th time on a single road trip): "Jordan must feel like a Ouija Board."
• (Referring to Bernard Gilkey): "He was originally born in University City." "He's faster than a chicken being chased by Ronald McDonald!"
• (Referring to Mike Schmidt): "the longtime, and soon-to-be, Hall-of-Famer."
• (Referring to Hideo Nomo): "He's the biggest thing to hit Japan since they dropped the bomb on Nagashima!"
• "This game is off to a rather conspicuous start, don't you think. Jack?"
• "Well, folks, this game began as a tiny worm, and is blossoming into a large cobra."
• "That foul tip bounced up and caught him right in the groins...and that'll really clear your eyes out."
• "A hit up the middle right now would be like a nice ham sandwich and a cold, frosty one."
• (Broadcasting from New York under a full moon): "I wish you folks back in St. Louis could see this moon."
• (On the day before Easter): "I just want to tell everyone 'Happy Easter and Happy Hanukkah.'"
• "Things are not always as they appear to be as."
• "Well, he did everything right to get ready for the throw, but if ya ain't got the hose, the water just won't come out."
• "Our next homestand follows this road trip."
• (Referring to a home run by Ted Simmons): "and that's the bread on Simmons' butter."
• "The right-hander is throwing up (instead of 'up, throwing') in the bullpen."
• "I've heard it said that if you know English, Spanish, Italian, and I think it's French, you can go just about anywhere in this world...except China where they have all those derelicts." After a pause, Joe Buck suggested that Mike has meant to say "dialects." Mike responded, "Yeah, dialects! That's what I mean...but they've got a lot of derelicts too!"
• "He ran to second faster than a cat in Chinatown."
• "I wouldn't have seen it if I hadn't believed it."
• "Don't bite off your head to spite your nose."
• Joe: "Mike, the Cardinals would like to welcome a group of 19 French foreign exchange students in Section 382." Mike: "Where're they from, Joe?" Joe: "Uhh, France, I think."
• A couple of years back, Mike and Joe were discussing the unflattering photographs of players that had been flashed on the screen at another ballpark. Mike's take on the quality of the photo selection was: "Some of those guys look like the picture was taken while they were seeing their first UFO." After several seconds of laughter, Joe added, "As opposed to their second or third."
• "The wind switched 360 degrees."
• "Boy, a cold, frosty Budweiser would be great about now"...long pause...then an "ahhh"
• Mike's classic: "Ol' Abner Doubleday has done it again."
• "It's raining so hard I thought it was going to stop."
• "The crowd's on their feet for the Canadian Star Bangled Banner."
• "Back in the day when I played, a pitcher had 3 pitches: a fastball, a curveball, a slider, a changeup and a good sinker pitch."

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woo, i'm back! philadelphia is cold!

glad to see the cardinals putting up a great fight in the WS this year. makes me feel better that the astros took a close second in that division. :) and the weather, imo, can only help the cardinals. so if it rains, you might even be able to start carpenter tomorrow. that would be wonderful for st. louis.

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man, this game isn't getting played tonight imo. still just down right nasty outside, and spoke with my guys west, and it's nasty and raining there too...all coming this way.

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so i'm going to have to settle for a shitty friday night college football game tonight... oh well. if it lets chris pitch in the next game, thats fine by me.

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Go Tigers. Hopefully they can pull one out tonight to make the series go back to detroit.

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OK, another weather report from the Lou. Although it's still pretty crappy right now, we're on the back end of a system that should be past us here in the pretty near future, and the heavy stuff is well past us. The intel right now is that it might be a little bit late, but they're playing tonight...

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congratulations st louis. your team played hard. jenks and toast, dont get DUI's tonight mmmkay.

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Congratulations to St. Louis! I'm an Astros fan, but was glad to see the Cards win. They may be an Astros rival, but I respect their team. I'm also glad to see the National League finally beat the American League. The previous two World Series were American Leagues sweeps and we kept hearing about the big superiority of the AL. I still think the AL is a better league, but hopefully we're starting to see it even up with the Cards win.

As for the game itself, that Pujols defensive play throwing out the runner on his back was awesome. And why the hell didn't Kenny Rogers pitch for Detroit?

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congrats, way to go NL.

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At the risk of stating the obvious, I had quite a night. You could literally feel the upper decks of the stadium moving from everyone jumping around towards the end of the game. Just an unreal experience!!

Gotta go back to bed now and hopefully get rid of this hangover. Well worth every Advil I take today, tho... 8)

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We are on top of our game!!!

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i tell ya, i like/hate some of the team. i hate pooholes.. but this picture really made me smile. so glad to see jimmy get it... what a hard nosed player, never opens his mouth, stays clean on and off the feild, and IMHO, you just cant hate the guy.

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i'd really like to see Edmonds back, but the 12million dollar option on his contract is going to make that VERY difficult.