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These super solders remind me of the Elite Republican Guard

[video=youtube;u4CQ_1GWn4w]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4CQ_1GWn4w[/video]

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[QUOTE=chunky;953805]So Bin Laden apparently made a video claiming he was responsible for the attacks, funny thing with that video he also claimed he was the most optimistic and had the foresight to believe the buildings would collapse as a result of the attack.

Al Qaeda trained to military spec. What for? in the last 10 years how many para military attacks have we had from al Qaeda? None. There's been no abseiling down the roof of some embassy at midnight, no week long hostage situation. No 20 man shot out at the OK coral. In fact there has has been nothing that has required some highly trained military spec solder. What we have had is the pants bomber, the shoe bomber & 7/7.All of which where carried out by people who where at best incompetent and certainly didn't look like they where part of any underground network of super solders. In fact why train someone to military spec just to have them blow themselves up in some bizarre suicide mission.

The only thing I have seen to support your statement is some videos of individuals shooting rocks in the desert and doing the krypton factor obstacle course. and sorry but asking you to Trust You on this doesn't really make your statement any more believable. Maybe you should watch Adam Curtis's The Power Of Nightmares where he actually go's to one of these training camps. In 2001 the Bush administration told us they would show us the evidence that Al Qaeda where responsible for 9/11, but guess what they never did. [/QUOTE]

in that same video he also seemed to be surprised @ how effective the attack was..he actually says he DID NOT expect the towers to fall, his words not mine.

as for the claims of military trained spec, ok they aint exactly navy seals but they are known to have operatives operating in military training camps in certain areas and certainly in the camps of police training in Afghanistan gaining training, most leave those camps fully trained and pass on their skills to others, ok the images of people running around an assault course in the middle of a desert aint exactly putting fear into the forces minds when it comes down to it but this is the "public" image, the guys that go through there receive a basic training and are probably at the bottom of the list when it comes to skill wise but ( i may be wrong here ) like most forces will have people trained to different levels within the organisation, they aint stupid people m8 and this is what makes them dangerous.

you mention the lack of attacks but you have completely overlooked just how effective the attacks carried out have been, they don't just fill trucks up with explosives and drive them to a certain point and trigger the detonator ... there is planning behind these attacks and surely 9/11 should show this to be true..

getting explosives onto flights would be extremely difficult for even a trained seal or someone else who is highly trained, there are many things security wise you don't see in airports so the likely hood of the chemicals in the shoe bomber and the pants bomber were probably not correctly mixed thus not setting off any alarm bells in the airport security measures and also this was probably why they were not either successful or caught before they boarded.

[quote]You tell us this evidence would have been submitted to security services around the world a very long time ago and to have us believe that this evidence was submitted to security services around the world a very long time ago, your asking a lot there. In fact most of your post is based on speculation not truth.[/quote]

hey i might be wrong about this u may be right but the passing of such info between trusted security services around the world does happen as its in the interest of both homeland and world wide security.. if u think about it just looking @ which countries have soldiers fighting in iraq and also Afghanistan this might back up my claim a little because those countries need to have a reason for being there

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953810]in that same video he also seemed to be surprised @ how effective the attack was..he actually says he DID NOT expect the towers to fall, his words not mine. [/QUOTE]

Really I can upload the video of this one if you want? It was bradcast on the ITN News on Wednesday this week

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953810]you mention the lack of attacks but you have completely overlooked just how effective the attacks carried out have been, they don't just fill trucks up with explosives and drive them to a certain point and trigger the detonator ... there is planning behind these attacks and surely 9/11 should show this to be true..[/QUOTE]

No I didn't overlook it. I don't believe that they where responsible for 9/11. Like I have said before the acts of terroism since 9/11 have been on a much poorer scale and certainly nothing that requires military expertise.

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doesn't the fact that these guys actually are training people in the desert of whatever alert you to the fact that these guys really want to achieve something ? i mean if they don't really want to achieve anything then why are they putting people through training ? every military outfit in the world had to start somewhere and they have furthered their skills through training soldiers for a long period of time, do you really want al qaeda to further their knowledge in military like operations/training... its a nip in the butt type situation and imo its wise

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[QUOTE=chunky;953812]Really I can upload the video of this one if you want? It was bradcast on the ITN News on Wednesday this week[/QUOTE]

please do

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[QUOTE=chunky;953813]No I didn't overlook it. I don't believe that they where responsible for 9/11. Like I have said before the acts of terroism since 9/11 have been on a much poorer scale and certainly nothing that requires military expertise.[/QUOTE]

LOL there is a simple answer to that m8, the fact that there was a loophole in security measures was completely exposed when this happened, security around the world upped its game after this happened

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953810]getting explosives onto flights would be extremely difficult for even a trained seal or someone else who is highly trained, there are many things security wise you don't see in airports so the likely hood of the chemicals in the shoe bomber and the pants bomber were probably not correctly mixed thus not setting off any alarm bells in the airport security measures and also this was probably why they were not either successful or caught before they boarded.[/QUOTE]

Wrong again, living in the UK you must have seen a fair amount of News where journalists have done just that. The problem they have is the people working in the airports don't give a shit. They have had scanners that don't work, they can't be bothered to check the right quota of people passing through to departures.

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953816]LOL there is a simple answer to that m8, the fact that there was a loophole in security measures was completely exposed when this happened, security around the world upped its game after this happened[/QUOTE]

You think the whole world has become more vigilant?

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[quote]Officials have launched an investigation after an undercover reporter smuggled fake bomb-making equipment on board a holiday jet. The probe was ordered after the journalist posed as a baggage handler at Birmingham International Airport and took fake explosive equipment on to plane carrying 220 holidaymakers.[/quote]

i think the objective word here is "FAKE", is a huge difference in fake bomb making equipment and the real thing

[url]http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641148690[/url]

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[QUOTE=chunky;953819]You think the whole world has become more vigilant?[/QUOTE]

definitely

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953815]please do[/QUOTE]

I will I will be off line for about an hour then I will post it

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953821]definitely[/QUOTE]

Stay on the medication

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[QUOTE=chunky;953823]Stay on the medication[/QUOTE]

do u think thats funny ?

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especially considering i have had mental health in the past and yes i was medicated

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953820]i think the objective word here is "FAKE", is a huge difference in fake bomb making equipment and the real thing

[url]http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Sky-News-Archive/Article/20080641148690[/url][/QUOTE]

What about the Pants bomber and the shoe bomber?

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[ms] reaches a new low

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[QUOTE=chunky;953826]What about the Pants bomber and the shoe bomber?[/QUOTE]

i have already explained that, u obviously didnt read it

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[QUOTE=chunky;953823]Stay on the medication[/QUOTE]

This is highly inappropriate Chris.

thebanned1 I admire your honesty man.

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I already explained what happened to the underwear bomber banned. There is a thread on it. He was put on the plane by the CIA as a scare tactic to get body scanners put in airports. That is common knowledge now.

I think what Chunky was trying to say is "Keep drinking the Kool Aid" not get medicated.

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I wish I could talk about this more today but it is Derby day!!

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some vids:

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/07/pakistan.bin.laden.intelligence/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1[/url]

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WTF? That video just showed me some old man watching tv..

Look at the media language.. haunting and candid videos.. I mean do you hear the narrator?? "You are gonna see an OBL we have never seen.. he is intently, intently watching himself on TV " I was waiting for something to happen.. What next video of OBL watching porno's?

Why would he film himself watching tv? Why would he have his back turned the whole time?

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;953839]some vids:

[url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/07/pakistan.bin.laden.intelligence/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1[/url][/QUOTE]

[quote][i]The video and other intelligence show that the slain al Qaeda leader was very much in control over the network's day-to-day operations, according to Pentagon officials briefing reporters.[/i][/quote]

pretty dumb move on behalf of al qaeda imo, thats probably how they found him by following a network of known members then following the people that came into contact with these people

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[QUOTE=runningman;953831]I already explained what happened to the underwear bomber banned. There is a thread on it. He was put on the plane by the CIA as a scare tactic to get body scanners put in airports. That is common knowledge now..[/QUOTE]

sorry m8 but i find that claim completely hideous especially knowing that the guy was british

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_(shoe_bomber[/url])

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953861]sorry m8 but i find that claim completely hideous especially knowing that the guy was british

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Reid_(shoe_bomber[/url])[/QUOTE]

[B]Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact title[/B]

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953815]please do[/QUOTE]

Uploading now Youtube says 51 minutes

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[video=youtube;x0FVeqCX6z8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0FVeqCX6z8&feature=related[/video]

spent all day looking for it chunky but cant seem to find the video i,m talking about, this is as close as i got..will keep looking though...i hope the one ur uploading is the one i,m talking about

does it have english subtitles with a black box and white writing ?

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[video=youtube;6yccaiqbazM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yccaiqbazM[/video]

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[QUOTE=chunky;953880][video=youtube;6yccaiqbazM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yccaiqbazM[/video][/QUOTE]

yup there is a clip of the video i,m looking for in that, its from the same video i posted above and its obviously not the whole video but i seem to recall a different explanation from watching the news up here

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953882]yup there is a clip of the video i,m looking for in that, its from the same video i posted above and its obviously not the whole video but i seem to recall a different explanation from watching the news up here[/QUOTE]

moving on from what i said there, it clearly obvious that different media stories and reports have influenced our beliefs on this and i,ve said previously that many media outlets have fabricated stories based on what information they themselves have got, there is no real way of telling if these media outlets have received correct viable information on the whole story so were basically all arguing over our own beliefs which are based on what we have been fed on or what we have looked @ ourselves.

all my posts are based on what i was thinking on what i seen myself and its completely obvious from some of the replies that others have different thoughts on it... the truth is that we will never really know the full truth because this is all completely classified information even though its been a world wide media frenzy

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p.s. does the name of this video not constitute as a personal attack on the [ms] guidlines :lol:

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[QUOTE=chunky;953865][B]Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact title[/B][/QUOTE]

click the bit underneath ...

[quote]Did you mean: Richard Reid (shoe bomber)[/quote]

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;954106]click the bit underneath ...[/QUOTE]

He was the shoe bomber, RM referred to the pants bomber. The guy who boarded the plane in Amsterdam without a passport

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[QUOTE=chunky;954111]He was the shoe bomber, RM referred to the pants bomber. The guy who boarded the plane in Amsterdam without a passport[/QUOTE]

oops my mistake....hold on i,ll see what i can dig up

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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umar_Farouk_Abdulmutallab[/url]

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[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8432261.stm[/url]

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[quote]On Christmas Day 2009, Abdulmutallab traveled from Ghana to Amsterdam, where he boarded Northwest Airlines Flight 253 en route to Detroit. He had purchased his ticket with cash in Ghana on December 16.[114] Eyewitnesses Kurt Haskell and Lori Haskell recounted live on CNN that, prior to boarding the plane, they witnessed a "smartly dressed Indian man" who spoke "in an American accent" helping Abdulmutallab onto the plane.[115][116][117][118] They also testify that the ticket agent refused to allow Abdulmutallab on the plane because he did not have his own passport.[119] These circumstances underlie some of the passengers' speculations that the U.S. government supplied a defective device to the perpetrator and a man in a tan suit with an American accent intervened, the matter was referred to a manager, and Abdulmutallab was then able to board the plane, presumably still without a passport.[120] Such a defense and counterclaim will unlikely be played in Court as long as Abdulmutallab insists on undertaking his own defense, which some take as yet a further suggestion that Abdulmutallab is subject to manipulation. Abdulmutallab spent about 20 minutes in the bathroom as the flight approached Detroit, and then covered himself with a blanket after returning to his seat. Other passengers then heard popping noises, smelled a foul odor, and some saw Abdulmutallab’s trouser leg and the wall of the plane on fire. Fellow passenger Jasper Schuringa, a Dutch film director, jumped on Abdulmutallab and subdued him as flight attendants used fire extinguishers to douse the flames.[121] Abdulmutallab was taken toward the front of the airplane cabin, was seen to have lost his trousers due to the fire, and had burns on his legs.[122] When asked by a flight attendant what he had in his pocket, he replied: “Explosive device.” The device consisted of a six-inch (15-cm) packet which was sewn into his underwear[1][123][124] containing the explosive powder PETN, which became a plastic explosive when mixed[125] with the high explosive triacetone triperoxide (TAPN) (the same two explosives that were used by Richard Reid in 2001[126][127]), and a syringe containing liquid acid.[128] Abdulmutallab created the explosive by mixing PETN with TAPN and other ingredients.[128] After being taken into custody, Abdulmutallab told authorities he had been directed by al Qaeda, and that he had obtained the device in Yemen.[129] Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, the organization's affiliate in Yemen, subsequently claimed responsibility for the attack, describing it as revenge for the United States' role in a Yemeni military offensive against al Qaeda in that country.[130][/quote]

LOL just because they guy had an american accent doesn't mean it was a CIA operative...and this is a huge lax in security, he should not have been allowed to board that plane

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i,d also like to know more info on this guy with the american accent...where does he suddenly get out from the story ? did he board the plane ? and why did the manager who he spoke to not reveal to officials/security services what the guy with the american accent said to him before the guy was allowed to board the plane ?

my thoughts on this just confirms of just how dangerous these guys are, if the guy with the american accent was an al qaeda operative then he must of had knowledge on how a member of the security services would be able to get a guy without a passport onto a plane...does that make sense ?

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;954124]and why did the manager who he spoke to not reveal to officials/security services what the guy with the american accent said to him before the guy was allowed to board the plane ? [/QUOTE]

actually he probably did but i,m guessing it would be classified info for a reason