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[QUOTE=i!!ustrious;953091]covert/black ops: there's a reason why they're called that :RockOn:

we the public are not entitled to jack shit when it comes to sensitive info like this. expect a mountain of lies. the truth is 6 feet deep, and will never be disclosed in full[/QUOTE]

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Reso one day you and I will have a real conversation where our track records and credibility will matter.

I wish someone would have a real conversation with me.:(

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^dude its impossible. anything that comes from anyone associated with the USA is automatically disqualified because they are 'liars'. any changes from ANYONE EVER which has touched on a story related to anything automatically points to a conspiracy. I know you don't seriously believe all of this, but it does make for good drama.

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[QUOTE=runningman;953157]Why would they kill OBL if he was un armed and surrounded? Wouldn't you want to take him alive and question him on possible future attacks and that way you also wouldn't make him a martyr?

This whole thing is so stupid it doesn't make any sense. Killing him makes him a martyr and doesn't give you any information... Anyone who believes this needs to take an aptitude test and see where they stand.[/QUOTE]

yea can just see OBL planning attacks via the internet/phonecalls or even writing down his plans on a piece of paper and handing it to his couriers, ah fuck it man,why not have a nice 6 course meal n invite all the top guys of al Qaeda round for an in depth discussion on the future attacks :D, u know a few bottles of wine and a nice meal then hire the local PA hire company to bring round a sound system so they can play recordings of Digweed's radio show while the all sit with bags of coke and ex getting completely fucked up and raving out in the courtyard :lol:

fuck sake man, i dont believe i,m actually reading this shit on [ms]

Osama done his job and retired into hiding imo, although his word would still have a serious influence on the running of the group if they could actually safely get his message out without him freaking the fuck out with complete paranoia afterall the WORLDS MOST WANTED MAN doesn't get paranoid :roll:

come on to fuck man, think about it, do u really think they would be as fucking stupid to pass information in and out of a p[lace where the WORLDS MOST WANTED MAN was hiding? :lol:

i seriously cant believe i,m actually reading this shit :lol:

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it's hard to have a real conversation because there are just some things people are going to believe and some things people are definitely not going to believe. It's like debating the existence of God.

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953168] ah fuck it man,why not have a nice 6 course meal n invite all the top guys of al Qaeda round for an in depth discussion on the future attacks :D[/QUOTE]

Like the Pentagon did with Al Awlaki?? They sat down and had dinner with him when he was on a terror watch list and just months after 9/11.

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terror-leader-dined-pentagon-months/"]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/20/al-qaeda-terror-leader-dined-pentagon-months/[/URL]

EXCLUSIVE: Al Qaeda Leader Dined at the Pentagon Just Months After 9/11 By Catherine Herridge Published October 20, 2010

Anwar Al-Awlaki may be the first American on the CIA's kill or capture list, but he was also a lunch guest of military brass at the Pentagon within months of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, Fox News has learned. Documents exclusively obtained by Fox News, including an FBI interview conducted after the Fort Hood shooting in November 2009, state that Awlaki was taken to the Pentagon as part of the military’s outreach to the Muslim community in the immediate aftermath of the attacks.

Educate yourself my friends.

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[QUOTE=Shpira;952881]Says who?? Where is the evidence? in fact any public evidence apart from silly videos?? Also there have been many people who were responsible for the deaths of thousands but that didn't warrant illegally invading a sovereign state to assassinate a citizen of a yet different state.[/QUOTE]

You're the most wanted mass murder walking the planet at this moment, you've declared a jihad on the most powerful nation in the world, and have had a history long standing in murdering civilians and military personnel indiscriminately.

Add to that the fact that he's been dwelling for the last 5 years, as per intelligence reports and confirmed by one of his wives now by Pakistani intelligence (link:[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13300910[/url]), in a country that has said repeatedly that they don't know where he's been.

Add to that the Pakistani ISI has had a long standing suspicion of having personnel leaking information to al Quaeda and their offshoots prior to raids, and the insurgency a few years back that was occuring to the northwest of Islamabad. Remember how concerned people were that the insurgents getting their hands on the Pakistani nuclear technology.

With circumstances this shaky and the U.S. assessing an ally that might be leaking information to the very enemy they're claiming to be a partner in aiding to kill, capture and suppress. It's not hard to see why they didn't alert Pakistan prior to the raid. Is it a violation of international law? That's for the lawyers to decide. It's

But if the country is harboring the world's most wanted terrorist, knowingly or unknowingly in a neighborhood where the Pakistani military brass are known to reside, with their version of West Point academy being a short drive away, questions of the reliability of said ally as well as their loyalty deserves to be called into question as well to the commitment to the cause. With the sizable amount that is given to Pakistan in the form of monetary aid on a yearly basis (not sure of how much, but it is in the billions), I can see why they went around the Pakistan government on this mission.

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[QUOTE=sonatine;953169]it's hard to have a real conversation because there are just some things people are going to believe and some things people are definitely not going to believe. It's like debating the existence of God.[/QUOTE]

I think religion and politics both should be left off this board entirely. But some people like the drama.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;953179]I think religion and politics both should be left off this board entirely. But some people like the drama.[/QUOTE]

for me personally its nothing to do with drama m8, its about trying to show the good people of [ms] common sense and although i might not or never be right i kinda like the debate about it :)

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i,ve sat for years on the internet and looked @ just about every conspiracy theory that's ever graced the net, most of them are completely based on people believing what they hear in the media and also what other people speculate themselves to be truth yet these people are usually the first to turn round to u and say " never believe what u read in the papers "...its crazy

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I for one am going to say I totally understand the premise behind conspiracy theories. You have people in power making decisons that affect the course of the world and no one will ever really know what they say or think behind closed doors. It's easy to start having certain ideas about what's going on. The fact those in power lie only fuels the fire. But I also think sometimes an apple is just an apple.

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[QUOTE=sonatine;953190]I for one am going to say I totally understand the premise behind conspiracy theories. You have people in power making decisons that affect the course of the world and no one will ever really know what they say or think behind closed doors. It's easy to start having certain ideas about what's going on. The fact those in power lie only fuels the fire. But I also think sometimes an apple is just an apple.[/QUOTE]

oh i completely understand why there are so many flying around, its become like a fashion and there are many who completely doubt everything official they are told but u have to admit that in certain circles there are "official" things that need to be kept within that circle

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its like its suddenly "cool" to doubt

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953195]its like its suddenly "cool" to doubt[/QUOTE]

rebels yo

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953195]its like its suddenly "cool" to try to kick America while it's down by delegitimizing it's government and leaders [/QUOTE]

/fixed

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lol, mods, admins, support crews: i lurve how you delete posts, but not the ones indirectly personal and buttmad. and so you delete a sincerely honest and impersonal (impersonal in that its message is broadly indicative) notification -- with no spite or hate within. another thing, you esteem yourselves as so mature --- when in reality, those that do claim maturity, are by virtue, not mature.

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Let's not get this thread closed too.

The US just bombed Yemen

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^ your trolling got politics closed hard, brah.

also,

[video=youtube;IhnUgAaea4M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhnUgAaea4M[/video]

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Illustrious you have more than double my post count and I have been here twice as long... Who's trolling?? Not me [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_l2VT7bYUEaY/TOSVpCjwkuI/AAAAAAAAL6Q/VDTWi0QbmDw/s1600/whos-trolling-not-me.jpg[/IMG]

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substance and pictures, drunk lulz, and honest integrity --- as well as quality trolling --- constitute mine. your posts are replete with hate, rage up, noobism, and conspiracy wacksauce

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Politics.

[QUOTE=picklemonkey;951852]From this point onward, any post I find that is an attack on another member will be immediately removed. I don't care who writes it... If you're being a dick to another member, whether out of retaliation or for no reason, I'm going to get rid of it. I don't know what else to do to get some people here to quit bickering. It's the Internet FFS. None of you need to prove yourselves to anybody else here, so please stop fueling this bad behaviour.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=runningman;952718]This story is changing all the time.. First Osama was involved in an intense fire fight and used his wife as a human shield and she died. Then Osama didn't have a weapon and didn't use his wife as a human shield.. And it turns out she didn't die and was only shot in the leg??

Anyone else smell that?[/QUOTE]

Yes, the whole thing does stink to high heaven. And it seems that yet again, this false flag operation has gone right over the heads of the doped out sheeple still living in La La Land.

[FONT=Arial]This false flag operation is going to lead to the continued death and destruction of yet another Muslim nation, Pakistan. And the prized possession over there is its nuclear arsenal. [/FONT][FONT=Arial]The drones that continue to murder the innocent Pakistani men, woman and children, will be nothing compared with the full on invasion and destruction headed her way. God help Pakistan and her people.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]But along the way, other Arab/Muslim nations will be drawn into this "War on Terror" conflict. The personally delivered Christian/Zionist bombs will make sure of that. And as always, these very same bombs, will always fing their way of landing onto the heads of innocent men, woman and children. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]All bases have been covered with the "help" of the filthy, disgusting MSM and our treacherous and cowardly "leaders". The filthy and disgusting MSM, will continue on relentlessly, with the brainwashing of the already dangerously idiotic people out there. Their message is very load and also very clear. And the message is that, “All those Mooooozzzzzlems out there support "terrorists" and they live for nothing but death and violence. Death to these peoples means nothing at all, not even their own. These people are so crazy that they are even willing to kill themselves God dammit. And any Moooozzzlem denying these accusation is simply a liar and can't be trusted. Want proof? Look at the twin towers, where are they? They're gone, they've vanished. Told you so.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]So what the heck?[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Next stop Iran.[/FONT]

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Gone for a week then back on it with the above eh?

:roflmao:

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[QUOTE=runningman;953157]Why would they kill OBL if he was un armed and surrounded? Wouldn't you want to take him alive and question him on possible future attacks and that way you also wouldn't make him a martyr?

This whole thing is so stupid it doesn't make any sense. Killing him makes him a martyr and doesn't give you any information... Anyone who believes this needs to take an aptitude test and see where they stand.[/QUOTE]

Agreed.

[FONT=Arial]"Killing" Osama did many things (according to the msm anyways), it got revenge, it silenced the critics, it justified the War on Terror, it justified the bombings of Pakistan which will eventually lead to an all out war with them and as some idiot put it, "The US has gotten it's military mojo back". The new "Hitler" or bogey man that you speak of will be Iran’s leader Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Anyone wanting to add to any other achievements" gained, then go right ahead.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]What we also know is that, the US had basically captured the most wanted man ever in US history and did so without any resistance. Osama Bin Laden, the man responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans in the US and abroad, the man who is responsible for the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan resulting in the murder of over a million of innocent men and children, thousands more injured and millions more to flee their homes. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Osama Bin Laden, the man who has changed the face of security in countries all over the world, he is the man responsible for the introduction of new anti terrorism laws in many nations including ours, he is responsible for pat downs and porno scanners in US airports, he has bled the US economy to the tune of over a trillion dollars, this is a man who set the world stock market into a spin, the man who was responsible for high gas prices, this is the man who is responsible for the Patriot act, he is responsible for the corrosion of civil liberties and so on and so on.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]And after knowing all of this, then surely the most reasonable thing to do in this situation like this is to hand him over to the International Court Justice or where ever, have him answer and be held accountable for all the crimes he has committed. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]This would have been a real victory for the US in the eyes of the whole world, but instead they did the complete opposite, which will only result in the continued death, destruction of even more brown people/Arabs in foreign nations. So the beat goes on. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]And of course, the US could have easily kidnapped and tortured Osama, into giving them information. You know, the kind of information they could have only ever dreamed about prior to his capture. Osama was a CIA, military interrogators wet dream come true. He alone could have provided them with the identities and location of other AL Qaeda members, nations and leaders who are supporting him, the money trail, future attacks, who they receive their arms and weapons training from, the location of hideouts, weapons/stash, basically shut Al Queda down and so forth.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]This is the most logical and most reasonable thing that should have happened. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]But the US decides to kill him instead, dump his body into the sea in line with, "Islamic tradition" and out of respect. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]And this idea being put forward regarding the US caring about Muslims and their feelings is sheer lunacy. The scumbag msm and criminals in power spewing such filth are laughing their farking asses off at the expense of everyone, who is trying to make sense, of what is going on regarding these issues. Make no mistake about it, the US and its partners in crime have absolutely no hesitation when it comes to the indiscriminate and deliberate bombing of homes, which literally incinerate the innocent families that live there. So please folks, enough with the bullshit already.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Killing an unarmed Osama makes no logical sense at all, no matter how hard the filthy msm and criminal leaders try to tell you. [/FONT]

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;953703]Gone for a week then back on it with the above eh?

:roflmao:[/QUOTE]

So what part of my post do you or don't you agree with Reso?

Here's a chance for you to actually discuss anything that you may find offensive or are at complete odds with.

You just blew your first attempt at a civil discussion, so how about making your next attempt more worthy of one.

Sound resonable?

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[QUOTE=dig72;953709]So what part of my post do you or don't you agree with Reso? [/QUOTE]

this: [quote]this false flag operation has gone right over the heads of the doped out sheeple still living in La La Land.[/quote]this: [quote]The personally delivered Christian/Zionist bombs will make sure of that. [/quote]this: [quote] the filthy, disgusting MSM and our treacherous and cowardly "leaders". The filthy and disgusting MSM, will continue on relentlessly, with the brainwashing of the already dangerously idiotic people out there[/quote]this: [quote]This would have been a real victory for the US in the eyes of the whole world, but instead they did the complete opposite, which will only result in the continued death, destruction of even more brown people/Arabs in foreign nations. So the beat goes on. [/quote]this: [quote]Osama was a CIA, military interrogators wet dream come true. He alone could have provided them with the identities and location of other AL Qaeda members, nations and leaders who are supporting him, the money trail, future attacks, who they receive their arms and weapons training from, the location of hideouts, weapons/stash, basically shut Al Queda down and so forth.[/quote]this: [quote]The scumbag msm and criminals in power spewing such filth are laughing their farking asses off at the expense of everyone[/quote]this:

[quote]Killing an unarmed Osama makes no logical sense at all, no matter how hard the filthy msm and criminal leaders try to tell you. [/quote]this:

[quote][FONT=Arial]What we also know is that, the US had basically captured the most wanted man ever in US history and did so without any resistance. Osama Bin Laden, the man responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans in the US and abroad, the man who is responsible for the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan resulting in the murder of over a million of innocent men and children, thousands more injured and millions more to flee their homes. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial]Osama Bin Laden, the man who has changed the face of security in countries all over the world, he is the man responsible for the introduction of new anti terrorism laws in many nations including ours, he is responsible for pat downs and porno scanners in US airports, he has bled the US economy to the tune of over a trillion dollars, this is a man who set the world stock market into a spin, the man who was responsible for high gas prices, this is the man who is responsible for the Patriot act, he is responsible for the corrosion of civil liberties and so on and so on.[/FONT][/quote]There will be no rational discussion in this forum whatsoever until the unitaleral usage of the words: MSM/zionist/traitor/sucumbag/filthy/disgusting/treacherous/cowardly are banned. Hence this will be my only response to this.

It is amazing how Osama now that he has been killed is The Keymaster of every terror plot in the entire world according to your posts above. I thought your ilk said he was dead/knows nothing/is just a fall guy/nothing in the scheme of things. Now that he is dead....oh how times have changed. :lol: Gotta have something to be pissed off about right?

Also for the 10th time, he was never going to be brought in alive...thats the way it is. It may be fuct up and I may not necessarily agree, but again thats how it is.

Also, I wasn't aware that you were privy to the Seal Team Six debrief where the shot him while he was busy watching reruns of Murder She Wrote while chugging down a family size bag of Ruffles.

I think a good way for Pickle to police MS from here on out, is to take your post count, calculate if 50% or greater of your total posts are in Politics only, then you are banned. Good way to keep this site focused on music. I'd be happy to write a Python script that takes a daily MySQL database dump and implements this.

I'm out.

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great headline on the BBC Radio 1 news yesterday "US Change Their Story Again"

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[quote] great headline on the BBC Radio 1 news yesterday "US Change Their Story Again" [/quote]kinda like what you say about wikipedia. the reporters 'are just guessing' about what happened huh?

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Did these storys not come out of the white house

Beginning of the week Cowereing behind someone how was his wife in a hectic fire fight.

End of the week It wasn't his wife, she was shot in the leg, he wasn't armed there wasn't a fire fight and there was only one guard on duty.

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[video=youtube;TbZLxh3RRK0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbZLxh3RRK0&feature=channel_video_title[/video]

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;953722]this: this: this: this: this: this: this:

this:

[QUOTE]There will be no rational discussion in this forum whatsoever until the unitaleral usage of the words: MSM/zionist/traitor/sucumbag/filthy/disgusting/treacherous/cowardly are banned. Hence this will be my only response to this. [/QUOTE]

It is amazing how Osama now that he has been killed is The Keymaster of every terror plot in the entire world according to your posts above. I thought your ilk said he was dead/knows nothing/is just a fall guy/nothing in the scheme of things. Now that he is dead....oh how times have changed. :lol: Gotta have something to be pissed off about right?

Also for the 10th time, he was never going to be brought in alive...thats the way it is. It may be fuct up and I may not necessarily agree, but again thats how it is.

Also, I wasn't aware that you were privy to the Seal Team Six debrief where the shot him while he was busy watching reruns of Murder She Wrote while chugging down a family size bag of Ruffles.

I think a good way for Pickle to police MS from here on out, is to take your post count, calculate if 50% or greater of your total posts are in Politics only, then you are banned. Good way to keep this site focused on music. I'd be happy to write a Python script that takes a daily MySQL database dump and implements this.

I'm out.[/QUOTE]

Reso at his finest.

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[QUOTE=chunky;953726]great headline on the BBC Radio 1 news yesterday "US Change Their Story Again"[/QUOTE]

Did you hear about the 25 min blackout?

[URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8493391/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Blackout-during-raid-on-bin-Laden-compound.html[/URL]

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[QUOTE]I think a good way for Pickle to police MS from here on out, is to take your post count, calculate if 50% or greater of your total posts are in Politics only, then you are banned. Good way to keep this site focused on music. [/QUOTE]Maybe they should do the same with random picture posts

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and count how many times someone says "I'm out" and then comes back.. :)

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[QUOTE=runningman;953745][video=youtube;TbZLxh3RRK0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbZLxh3RRK0&feature=channel_video_title[/video][/QUOTE]

this video backs me up on what i,ve been saying right from the beginning, osama was a clever fucker, clever enough to fool the CIA for a good 10 years so that should kinda give u an incline on how easily he would of been to fool also the ISI and also fake his own death ( this has been done by many in the past )

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hahaha I don't think that video backs your claim at all really.. Hamid Gul who led the ISI says he thought OBL died years ago.

This whole thing is propaganda. Look at how both the Republicans and Democrats are spinning it

Democrats

Obama now looks like a real leader who can get things done by killing the bad guy This should really help with his reelection

Republicans

They say that torture and rendition is good and they were validated for doing it because the ends justified the means

Both parties scare the shit out of me. They are both psychopaths and would shoot their own mothers to get elected

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[QUOTE=runningman;953795]hahaha I don't think that video backs your claim at all really.. Hamid Gul who led the ISI says he thought OBL died years ago.

This whole thing is propaganda. Look at how both the Republicans and Democrats are spinning it

Democrats

Obama now looks like a real leader who can get things done by killing the bad guy This should really help with his reelection

Both parties scare the shit out of me. They are both psychopaths and would shoot their own mothers to get elected[/QUOTE]

it does to a certain extent if u read some of the ideas i suggested in earlier posts.

as for the political side of things well imo it doesn't really matter who is/was in power when they found osama as it would look favourable on any guy that was in the seat @ the time, a lot of people overlook that fact, just because obama hasn't exactly been favoured recently because of oil and other shit doesn't mean that he only got osama to make himself look good for the re-election campaign.

If u think that the next people to get into government are going to change things any better than things are going right now then think again, compared with european oil prices the US has got it made as we pay double what u guys are paying. i actually don't think obama has been a bad president but thats just my 2 cents worth.

[quote]Republicans

They say that torture and rendition is good and they were validated for doing it because the ends justified the means[/quote]

i don't agree with this saying @ all and i,m almost convinced that if they got in power they would ultimately use the same techniques when it boils down to it. Al Qaeda members are hardened trained guys that don't give fuck all knowledge away when they are captured so this is where the torture comes into it, as harsh as it seems i think water boarding is actually a kind of humane torture compared to what Al Qaeda would do to an american soldier if he had knowledge that was valuable to them

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;952947]OH MY F'KN GOD :lol:

osama made video's claiming that he was responsible for the planning of 9/11 and in his OWN WORDS said that they had been planning it for quite sometime, even if he didnt plan it he was pretty fucking stupid to do this LOL.. these guys (al Qaeda ) aint ur average street thugs ( like mafia ) as they are not only very fucking clever but somewhat trained to a certain military spec, you dont wanna fuck around with these guys if ur just your average joe living in a town somewhere in the middle of america....trust me when i say this "FEAR THESE PEOPLE"...if i had family members who were killed in 9/11 i would see common sense and not ask for all the info because that would put me @ risk from these guys potentially kidnapping and torturing the fuck out of me to gain that info...personally i would leave that shit to the people who were able to deal with it, They couldn't siege the building for days because they obviously don't fully trust the pakistani government and had not one single bit of official permission to be in the country to execute the mission.... personally i would also like to find out how they knew that the pakistani armed forces had scrambled fighter jets ( kinda shows u the level of the mission ) as for shooting him well this kinda makes sense if u sit and think about it...time was not on their sides....45 minutes had past...they really didnt know if they had flown into an al Qaeda strong hold or how the pakistani forces would react so in fact trying to drag an unwilling man in to a helicopter in the middle of a gun fight aint really a wise thing to do plus the order was dead or alive

this evidence would have been submitted to security services around the world a very long time ago, the chances of the press/public ever seeing this are minimal...that info is worth millions if not billions of $'s if it were to be sold to the wrong hands.

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So Bin Laden apparently made a video claiming he was responsible for the attacks, funny thing with that video he also claimed he was the most optimistic and had the foresight to believe the buildings would collapse as a result of the attack.

Al Qaeda trained to military spec. What for? in the last 10 years how many para military attacks have we had from al Qaeda? None. There's been no abseiling down the roof of some embassy at midnight, no week long hostage situation. No 20 man shot out at the OK coral. In fact there has has been nothing that has required some highly trained military spec solder. What we have had is the pants bomber, the shoe bomber & 7/7.All of which where carried out by people who where at best incompetent and certainly didn't look like they where part of any underground network of super solders. In fact why train someone to military spec just to have them blow themselves up in some bizarre suicide mission.

The only thing I have seen to support your statement is some videos of individuals shooting rocks in the desert and doing the krypton factor obstacle course. and sorry but asking you to Trust You on this doesn't really make your statement any more believable. Maybe you should watch Adam Curtis's The Power Of Nightmares where he actually go's to one of these training camps. In 2001 the Bush administration told us they would show us the evidence that Al Qaeda where responsible for 9/11, but guess what they never did. You tell us this evidence would have been submitted to security services around the world a very long time ago and to have us believe that this evidence was submitted to security services around the world a very long time ago, your asking a lot there. In fact most of your post is based on speculation not truth.

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And that's not the only thing;

It doesn't take the mastermind of some underground network of super solder and the worlds most wanted man to think about having some sort of escape plan. There where no arms found at the compound, no explosives, no super solders and no escape plan. We are told he was there for at least four years. Call me sceptical but I would have at least had some sort of tunnel to get out in case the compound came under attack. I would also have maybe thought of having some weapons and maybe just maybe thought about rigging the place with explosives. Instead we got a gardener with an AK45 which will probably be a rake by the end of next week.