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[QUOTE=Shpira;898271]The thing is...whatever people say about drugs being bad for your health etc. Society as a whole and the human species was orientated towards so much better aims when everyone was getting hight and dropping acid. This is something I have been thinking about last night...also another thing I realised is how self centred the western society is. "We" focus on our selves and seem to believe that our social order is the end of all social orders the dogs bollocks...all those documentaries about the end of civilisation...and human empire and bla bla...when in reality it is quite possible that this is the end of the Western Empire rather than end of the Human empire...i am not sure if you watch Nat Geo and History and all those "cutting edge" documentaries. There are possibilities for huge advance but its profit orientated rather than innovation and improvement focussed. There are things that we NEED and things that make money. It seems that money always takes precedence over human need. I honestly believe that if we leave things the way they are i.e. let the markets guide our advance we will all perish in one way or another. We will either die from starvation, disease or we will become virtual slaves of debt. I am not optimistic in the least...people don't read, people don't think...a bunch of drones and internet is used for porn and reading mainstream media. No internet revolution. People are chasing after fabricated dreams designed to keep them in a consumerism loop.

[IMG]http://gaussling.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/5773-dieting-woman-chasing-a-chocolate-covered-carrot-on-a-stick-clipart-illustration.jpg?w=270&h=174[/IMG][/QUOTE]

thats some big ideas here that i agree with most of, throughout civilization this has been occurring but with different looks and languages and in different places all over the world, look how many empires way bigger than what we see now had disappeared and long gone such as ancient Egyptians and romans,etc...human beings were created with the love for the world and greed to all its goods, so when the essentials become simply there we move on to another as in the necessity pyramid. many people no longer have the ability to socialize and people judge each other by what they own and classify them and based on this they deal with them. the internet is def a two sided weapon.

the key is seeing this world as it is and looking thru all the fake things that make it seem something its not, everything is temporary in this world and whats shiny now will be dull tomorrow and whose strong now will be weak tomorrow and there will always be a replacement because thats how it is just like the pic posted here today a carrot tomorrow a hershey bar with a different person and so on.

its strange that the only true reality in this world that no one can deny is death, its good to have things to be part of our life but not make it the purpose of our whole life, esp knowing that were not taking anything with us....man i love nature and the hippy life, real connections and clear eye sight occur, its like seeing this world naked.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;898310]Shpira just out of curiosity, what part of the world are you living in these days?[/QUOTE]

London mate... unfortunately

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move to the states homie! you're more than welcome out here on the west coast.

strange as it may seem, the average man here is starting to wake up, re-educate themselve's, and expanding their conscious awareness with self-initiating emancipation. you'd be surprised. but then again, we brush shoulders with millions of the "living dead" all day too...

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[QUOTE=Shpira;898271]The thing is...whatever people say about drugs being bad for your health etc. Society as a whole and the human species was orientated towards so much better aims when everyone was getting hight and dropping acid. This is something I have been thinking about last night...also another thing I realised is how self centred the western society is.[/QUOTE]

is it possible that those who did drugs at that time viewed the world in a more positive light because of the effect of opiates on their brain? issues and problems have always been around, just depends how you look at them. heh just a thought

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Sort of off subject but does anyone know the name of the music playing at the end of the film

[video=youtube;6oo5-SRoloM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oo5-SRoloM[/video]

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Anyone catch Demolition: The Tallest Tower on TV tonight 380ft tower came down in 13 seconds

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[IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/2hxnexh.jpg[/IMG]

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Oops, guess this was just another eyewitness imagining things:

[video=youtube;2HsUPK_LbSc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HsUPK_LbSc[/video] According to [url=http://www.prisonplanet.com/wtc-collapse-eyewitness-paul-lemos-as-the-bombs-were-going-off-people-started-running.html]Prison Planet[/url]: [quote]Twin towers collapse eyewitness Paul Lemos clearly describes how he witnessed bombs take down the World Trade Center in yet another revealing piece of evidence that NIST was forced to release as part of a recent FOIA request. As we reported in our previous articles, is it really a coincidence that almost every video NIST sat on for years contained bombshell eyewitness testimony of explosives bringing down the towers and Building 7?[/quote]

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Sounds like a qualified expert to me. The booms are quite accurate. Confirmed.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;910974]Sounds like a qualified expert to me. The booms are quite accurate. Confirmed.[/QUOTE]

Not the only witness to describe the events like this. Remember the fireman from the French Documentary.

[URL]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2032865563019209801#[/URL]

Or the hundreds of first responders testimonies that where kept secret.

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So 9/11 was [B][I]orchestrated[/I][/B] without any paper trail or emails or phone calls of any kind?

Or have the powers that be kept all those documents, phone calls, and emails a complete secret?

:lol:

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cia

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;910992]So 9/11 was [B][I]orchestrated[/I][/B] without any paper trail or emails or phone calls of any kind?

Or have the powers that be kept all those documents, phone calls, and emails a complete secret?

:lol:[/QUOTE]

Well they are keeping loads of photos secret that could clear this mater up fairly quick. Are there any documents, phone calls, and emails from the supposed terrorist regarding this. Or would that comprise national security.

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Have you noticed that when ever the government don't want to give you information they always claim it would compromise national security

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And now for some comedy

[video=youtube;xVoHrTLOLkE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVoHrTLOLkE[/video]

Full Film

[url]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481#[/url]

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If Julian Assange (who has a deep seated mistrust for governments) doesn't think 9/11 was a conspiracy, maybe it's time you put down whatever it is you're smoking, and think about that for a second.

[quote] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]Three major indicators have in their view discredited him according to an editorial on [URL="http://tinyurl.com/269l4df"]ReOpen911[/URL]. They say that Assange, who they describe as "mysterious", has never been a 9/11 conspiracy supporter and that he has even publicly criticized conspiracists. Also, he has never published anything which even remotely supports the truthers’ arguments. This is known to have rankled truther organizations. [/quote]

[quote] [LEFT][COLOR=#000000]So how is it that Julian Assange has been transformed by truthers from being a victim of plots to kill him and a fellow anti-establishment seeker into a, patsy, or a CIA agent, or an enemy of 9/11 skeptics? Conspiracywatch says the answer is obvious. They claim that some of the documents revealed by or in the possession of Wikileaks contain embarrassing content for truthers by lifting a corner of the cover protecting Hamid Gul, the ex-Head of the Pakistani Secret Services, who the truthers have always said they value as “a source.” The documents suggest that he may have secretly supported both the Taliban and AlQaida. Gul has often accused the CIA and Mossad of being behind the 9/11 attacks. So the dilemma for truthers, according to Conspiracy Watch, is how to reconcile the emerging evidence that Gal has always supported the Taliban and Al-Qaida in their war against the West with the dual fact that he has supported Truthers too, most of whom claim that 9/11 had nothing to do with the Taliban and Al Qaida, but everything to do with George Bush? And that dilemma, according to Conspiracy Watch, is partially due to the published content of Assange’s documents and that of documents to come. [/quote][URL="http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/296308#ixzz17eCNjgDZ"][/URL][/COLOR][/LEFT]

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;911004]If Julian Assange (who has a deep seated mistrust for governments) doesn't think 9/11 was a conspiracy, maybe it's time you put down whatever it is you're smoking, and think about that for a second. [/QUOTE]

Same old argument yet again. If I'm a Christian and I think 9/11 was an inside job that doesn't mean all Christian's think 9/11 was an inside job. This go's back to Miro's insinuation that all people who believe 9/11 was an inside job must be Holocaust deniers by default because Ahmadinejad was supposedly a Holocaust Denier and also questioned 9/11. Julian Assange is not some oracle on all the truth's in the world.

If Julian Assange wants to expose some truths about 9/11I will be very interested to see them. Like I said before I would like to see that Pentagon plane footage and a lot more but your government doesn't want to show it.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;911004]If Julian Assange (who has a deep seated mistrust for governments) doesn't think 9/11 was a conspiracy, maybe it's time you put down whatever it is you're smoking, and think about that for a second.[/QUOTE]

Not at all, it just proves beyond doubt that assange cannot and should not be trusted.

It's gone way past the point of differences of opinions. One must either believe everything that the government tells or not.

Can't have it both ways.

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^^^ Whenever some one says "you can't have it both ways" I have a mad urge to say "why not??' :lol: [QUOTE] Originally Posted by floridaorange
If Julian Assange (who has a deep seated mistrust for governments) doesn't think 9/11 was a conspiracy, maybe it's time you put down whatever it is you're smoking, and think about that for a second.[/QUOTE]

All it probably means is that he doesn't have information one way or the other. Until we have definitive proof , which probably is never. :( All we really have are our opinions. Definitely too much faith being placed in Julian Assange's opinion though. Especially by Julian :lol: One thing I am sure of , he is just a human being, and quite possibly a deeply flawed human being . But I'd still rather have him than not!! He's a game changer ! :)

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;911004]If Julian Assange (who has a deep seated mistrust for governments) doesn't think 9/11 was a conspiracy, maybe it's time you put down whatever it is you're smoking, and think about that for a second.[/quote]

To borrow Resonator's style: psyop

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cia

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I'm not interested so much in arguing, because I am confident you are wrong that 9/11 was "an inside job."

I do find it interesting that you think Americas elected officials would organize 9/11 and kill that many Americans.

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antique cctv :lol:

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antique cctv :lol:

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[QUOTE=DIDI;911101]^^^ Whenever some one says "you can't have it both ways" I have a mad urge to say "why not??' :lol: [/QUOTE]

I hear you DIDI, but I think it's a fair call in this situation and topic.

[QUOTE]All it probably means is that he doesn't have information one way or the other. Until we have definitive proof , which probably is never. :( All we really have are our opinions. Definitely too much faith being placed in Julian Assange's opinion though. Especially by Julian :lol: One thing I am sure of , he is just a human being, and quite possibly a deeply flawed human being . But I'd still rather have him than not!! He's a game changer ! :)[/QUOTE]

We'll never have all the information we want and when we want it. But what we do have is history and it has proven time and time again, that the US government lies to it's citizens all the time.

We're going to find out alot more about Assange as time goes on and most of it won't be nice.

Watch as the very same MSM who have hailed Assange as some kind of messia, slowly but surely crucify him once his usefulness expires.

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Time will tell.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;911121]I'm not interested so much in arguing, because I am confident you are wrong that 9/11 was "an inside job." [/QUOTE]

Slam-dunk, now where have I heard that before?

[QUOTE]I do find it interesting that you think Americas elected officials would organize 9/11 and kill that many Americans.[/QUOTE]

"Elected officials", lol, please stop, lol.

Does the Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods or USS Liberty ring a bell?

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." -- H.L. Mencken

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I don't think it was America's public leadership inasmuch as it was the shadow govt (of which the CIA is no doubt a member) that facilitated 9/11. ;-) The CFR and trilateral commission have even said as much that their goal is a one-world govt. Rockefeller has said some pretty fucking evil things himself regarding the means justifying the end, so I wouldn't put much past these goons. The international bankers no doubt like the idea also. In fact, they have a long history of manipulation, destruction and then some: [url]http://www.scionofzion.com/federalreserve.htm[/url]

[quote]THE TEN MEMBER BANKS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE All owned by the Rothschilds Rothschild Bank of London Warburg Bank of Hamburg Rothschild Bank of Berlin Lehman Brothers of New York Lazard Brothers of Paris Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy Goldman, Sachs of New York Warburg Bank of Amsterdam Chase Manhattan Bank of New York[/quote]

If any of these claims can be believed, it smells like someone (Rothschilds, in particular) is using Zionism and the real jews as a shadowy front for their real intent (to rule the world!!!!!!!!!11).

[img]http://seeker401.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/david-de-rothschild-2face.jpg[/img] David de Rothschild himself coming across with a striking semblance to the Jesus portrayed of lore. Things that make you go hmm hmm hmm

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In fact, all of this sht coupled with DHS/big sis and their fascistic alliance with Walmart has me shtting myself. I half-expect to be in a FEMA camp a year from now.

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This really lays out the financial stakes that these Rothschilds have in the West: [url]http://www.zimbio.com/David+de+Rothschild/articles/6/Wo+Owns+Federal+Reserve+Rothschilds+Bank+England[/url]

[quote]Who owns the FED and controls the US government through the economy. The Rothschilds and the Bank of England. The Rothschild Group controls governments, (the USA through the privately-owned Federal Reserve System) Its no big mystery now. The US Congress gave control of the goverment over to the (FED) private banks which means our country is not controlled by American citizens. (The Congress can take control away from the (FED) private bankers but they never will because the Congress is infested with politicians under the direct control of the FED,CFR etc. Many members of the Congress do the bidding of the CFR)[/quote]

Money corrupts (especially when you hit the trillions and get the impression that your sh*t no longer stinks, that you are now a privileged member of the worldwide community, like royalty), so I have little doubt that these shitheads could pull the greatest lie ever conceived against the American public, with more to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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oh, and cia, antique cctv and PSYOPS.

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yeah psyops cia blah blah

I'm not 100% convinced it was an inside job but for as long as things get silenced and covered up or covered in bullshit i have no choice but to put myself firmly in the doubters camp and i'm staying there until something solid tells me different.

Florida, you are well and truly convinced your Government wouldn't play a part in such a thing, but how? How do you trust people who have been proven time and again to be fucking liars on a massive scale? Is it patriotism? Is that what you call it? Because it's bullshit.

I feel the same way about the govt here in the Uk - just fucking liars. Why on earth should i put any faith or trust in them? They're something akin to aliens in my eyes, barely even human.

I'm still waiting to the answer to the question i asked before "[I]how do you know who flew the planes into the buildings[/I]?" - the only answer that came back is that it must have been these Saudi guys as there is a record of them buying tickets. Now if that isn't someone who is easily had over talking then i don't know what is.

epic thread btw

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;911145] [url]http://www.zimbio.com/David+de+Rothschild/articles/6/Wo+Owns+Federal+Reserve+Rothschilds+Bank+England[/url] [/QUOTE]

who ever wrote that was trippin balls at the time. [IMG]http://www.trippinballs.com/images/backstageatguster.jpg[/IMG]

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lol, possibly.

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[QUOTE=dig72;911141]Slam-dunk, now where have I heard that before?

"Elected officials", lol, please stop, lol.

Does the Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northwoods or USS Liberty ring a bell?

"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." -- H.L. Mencken[/QUOTE]

:roflmao:

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[QUOTE=dig72;911138]I hear you DIDI, but I think it's a fair call in this situation and topic.

We'll never have all the information we want and when we want it. But what we do have is history and it has proven time and time again, that the US government lies to it's citizens all the time.

We're going to find out alot more about Assange as time goes on and most of it won't be nice.

[B]Watch as the very same MSM who have hailed Assange as some kind of messia, slowly but surely crucify him once his usefulness expires[/B].[/QUOTE] Well that was always going to happen, it seems to be the nature of the human beast. :(

All governments lie :( But sometimes a nugget of truth gets out there and the reason I support Julian Assange is that he has operated as a conduit for some of those nuggets. I don't particularly like the way he has done some of it, but I have a much greater knowledge base because he has done it. I'm not sure of his motives , and I'm sure there are not so nice things about him. But everyone has different sides, some good , some bad and if we judge on one only we are cutting ourselves off from more knowledge. Even within one discussion there are points of agreement and disagreement. They don't invalidate each other.

Ultimately he as a person is immaterial. It's that we get to see how our governments operate. Hopefully they will stop putting petty gossip on paper after this :lol:

One thing, no one seems to have denied the validity of what he has put out there .

BTW It was wonderful to have my thoughts on KRudd confirmed :lol:

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;911354]:roflmao:[/QUOTE] You have a weird sense of humour sometimes.

[QUOTE]"The men the American people admire most extravagantly are the greatest liars; the men they detest most violently are those who try to tell them the truth." -- H.L. Mencken [/QUOTE]

This speaks so much truth to me !! Of course you could put Australian people and it would be just as true :( Incredibly frustrating.

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^Weird is good.

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^^ Sometimes true :lol:

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[QUOTE=DIDI]All governments lie :( But sometimes a nugget of truth gets out there and the reason I support Julian Assange is that he has operated as a conduit for some of those nuggets.[\QUOTE]

Agreed, the truth is usually out there, in bits n pieces and all over the place.

[QUOTE]I don't particularly like the way he has done some of it, but I have a much greater knowledge base because he has done it. I'm not sure of his motives , and I'm sure there are not so nice things about him. But everyone has different sides, some good , some bad and if we judge on one only we are cutting ourselves off from more knowledge. Even within one discussion there are points of agreement and disagreement. They don't invalidate each other.[\QUOTE]

That's the game being played and LA/Wikileaks can't lose, well not in the short term anyway. Alex Jones is also a team player in this very same game and he too has been exposed.

Don't get me wrong, 'power to the people', I'm all for that. But what I don't like and won't tolerate, is being insulted by the Assange/Jones type scumbags who believe they have us all fooled.

[QUOTE]BTW It was wonderful to have my thoughts on KRudd confirmed :lol:[/QUOTE]

Gillard and the company she keeps are going to do alot of damage to Australia. I don't like anything about her. When I see her in the media, I get the same sick feeling in my stomach that I would whenever Howards head popped up.