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Well. I think you are dead wrong about Gillard. If she can overcome the enormous negativity thrown her way by almost everyone I believe Australia will be a far better place. And she is a very strong lady. :) She has definitely made compromises and done things I don't like , but no one is ever going to do everything I like :) In the end I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Just keep an open mind, as will I ! Anyway the alternative is even worse than Howard :lol:

Btw The company she keeps isn't as influential now because she has opened up the cabinet. It's not just four people any more.

I'll tell you what is getting up my nose , KRudd is actually getting credit for supporting Assange when all he is really doing is what he did during the election campaign , it's called revenge i think :lol: Tthe one thing Mark Latham got right was KRudd oh, and the elite public schools list :lol:

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[QUOTE=DIDI;911480]Well. I think you are dead wrong about Gillard. If she can overcome the enormous negativity thrown her way by almost everyone I believe Australia will be a far better place. And she is a very strong lady. :)[/QUOTE]

No chance, she's just another shameless shill and her past and most recent actions speak for themselves.

I really do hope I'm wrong, for the sake of all Aussies and all the decent human beings out there.

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^How many politicians do you know personally? You good friends with many? Or just enemies?

What have you done to help your community, besides bitch and point fingers?

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^^ Thought you were only here for the giggles :)

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[QUOTE=dig72;911495]No chance, she's just another shameless shill and her past and most recent actions speak for themselves.

I really do hope I'm wrong, for the sake of all Aussies and all the decent human beings out there.[/QUOTE] As you say time will tell . :)

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[QUOTE=DIDI;911616]^^ Thought you were only here for the giggles :)[/QUOTE]

Didi please :lol:

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Ron Paul reminds congress about The Gulf Of Tonkin.

[url]http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2010/12/09/lying-is-not-patriotic/[/url]

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;911538]^How many politicians do you know personally? You good friends with many? Or just enemies?

What have you done to help your community, besides bitch and point fingers?[/QUOTE]

Oh, you're back wanting to talk this time.

I personally don't know any politicians at the state, national level. I personally know a couple who have been elected and have served at local level. And besides, what does this have to do with our discussion?

Our "elected" officials are there to serve the people. It is not only our duty, but also our right, to criticize them whenever warranted.

I've provided you with info in relation to your leaders deliberately planning and having it's citizens killed.

Do you support your leaders that behave in such treasonous and criminal ways?

Have you already forgotten that, EVERY SINGLE reason given, for invasion and continued distruction of Iraq, were ALL based on lies?

Thousands and thousands of innocent men, woman and children have been murdered and for what exactly?

Have they got you by the balls that hard?

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What do you find offensive about Alex Jones, how he purportedly seems to have inside knowledge that the rest of us are lucky enough to receive and that we should be grateful we have someone of his ilk looking out for "us?" I have mixed feelings about him, but I appreciate his whistleblowing.

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Wow, Ron Paul's a freakin' hero.

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;911674]What do you find offensive about Alex Jones, how he purportedly seems to have inside knowledge that the rest of us are lucky enough to receive and that we should be grateful we have someone of his ilk looking out for "us?" I have mixed feelings about him, but I appreciate his whistleblowing.[/QUOTE]

What worries me is that he believes in God. You have to worry about the actions of anyone who thinks they are doing gods work

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I don't think a faith in God is an automatic red flag. Mao and Stalin have killed far more than any other despots, and they were as atheistic as they come. I think letting ideology blind one to reality is the real problem and letting one's imagination run too wild in terms of new world order encroachment (I have little doubt Rothschild and co. have actively tried to bring about such prophecies as written in the bible, making them almost self-fulfilling). Ron Paul believes in God, too. ;-) 0bama claims to (whether that's true is another story), and he probably thinks he is is divinely justified in his belief in black liberation theology (racially motivated Marxism by any other name).

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;911688] 0bama claims to (whether that's true is another story), and he probably thinks he is is divinely justified in his belief in black liberation theology (racially motivated Marxism by any other name).[/QUOTE]I find this really funny :lol: You have imaged thoughts in Obama's head so you can denigrate him. It sort of sounds as though you are arguing with yourself :lol: :lol: :lol:

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;911674]What do you find offensive about Alex Jones, how he purportedly seems to have inside knowledge that the rest of us are lucky enough to receive and that we should be grateful we have someone of his ilk looking out for "us?" I have mixed feelings about him, but I appreciate his whistleblowing.[/QUOTE]

It's a game being played in which they can't lose for now. We're fed with many, many truths and then something way out of left field is said, that truly makes no sense at all.

Assanges very public statement that, 9/11 is a "false conspiracy", is the perfect example, wouldn't you agree?

And in all honesty, I don't believe it to be a very complicated view. Just need to look at it simply and logically.

So what we have now, is people who once held the very same views on just about everything, are now instead fighting with each other. The real issues, such as bringing and holding the real criminals to account is kinda being sidetracked at this point in time. Peace, fairness and justice is what we fight for and we mustn't lose sight of that.

Like I've stated previously, I'm all for more information, minus the insults.

United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

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[QUOTE=chunky;911681]What worries me is that he believes in God. You have to worry about the actions of anyone who thinks they are doing gods work[/QUOTE]

well it depends on what god they serve, IMHO God doesnt need anyone to do his work (id like to see someone control the earth movement ;)), but humans need to do their own work that will result in pleasing God. we need people that believe in something good, and btw im taking in general not about alex jones.

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[QUOTE=trick12;912034]well it depends on what god they serve, IMHO God doesnt need anyone to do his work (id like to see someone control the earth movement ;)), but humans need to do their own work that will result in pleasing God. we need people that believe in something good, and btw im taking in general not about alex jones.[/QUOTE]

I'm mean the fact he actuality believes in a God not really his faith. He stands there campaining about a fully financed inpartal investigation into 9/11 but is willing to accept God is real with no evidence. Maybe we should have an offical investigation into religion.

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[QUOTE=chunky;912049]I'm mean the fact he actuality believes in a God not really his faith. He stands there campaining about a fully financed inpartal investigation into 9/11 but is willing to accept God is real with no evidence. Maybe we should have an offical investigation into religion.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=chunky;912049]I'm mean the fact he actuality believes in a God not really his faith. He stands there campaining about a fully financed inpartal investigation into 9/11 but is willing to accept God is real with no evidence. Maybe we should have an offical investigation into religion.[/QUOTE]

well idk if u shud actually relate these two to each other period. ive met people from all over the world and with diff faith and still share the same thoughts with alex jones about 9/11. i dont think having faith in God or being an atheist has any thing to do with campaigning about investigating humans.

p.s. their is evidence all around but i wont get into this now.

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[QUOTE=DIDI;911770]I find this really funny :lol: You have imaged thoughts in Obama's head so you can denigrate him. It sort of sounds as though you are arguing with yourself :lol: :lol: :lol:[/QUOTE] I've imaged NOTHING. He wouldn't sit in a racist church proclaiming and preaching victimhood for 20 years if he thought otherwise. Look up Jeremiah Wright and Black Liberation Theology if you think otherwise.

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[QUOTE=chunky;912049]I'm mean the fact he actuality believes in a God not really his faith. He stands there campaining about a fully financed inpartal investigation into 9/11 but is willing to accept God is real with no evidence. Maybe we should have an offical investigation into religion.[/QUOTE] Poor form. Stalin would be proud.

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;912631]Poor form. Stalin would be proud.[/QUOTE]

I don't really see what Stalin has to do with it. My point was how can someone question so much and want to see physical evidence of something in order to believe it, but not apply the same principal to religion where there is no evidence of a God, just a lot of old story's and monuments.

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That's where you're mistaken. The evidence of design is everywhere...how one defines that intelligence and design is based on the individual. Dawkins and other atheistic ilk don't have an exclusive license as to our origins. I know you'll disagree, but basic logic dictates to me that something never came from nothing and that goes all the way back to the origins of the universe. No one was there at the time, so the best they can do is take a look at the world around them and come to their own conclusion.

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[QUOTE=chunky;912636]I don't really see what Stalin has to do with it. My point was how can someone question so much and want to see physical evidence of something in order to believe it, but not apply the same principal to religion where there is no evidence of a God, just a lot of old story's and monuments.[/QUOTE] I think we should make it a new rule that as well as anyone who mentions Hitler, anyone who mentions Stalin is an instant FAIL !! :lol:

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;912681]That's where you're mistaken. The evidence of design is everywhere...how one defines that intelligence and design is based on the individual. Dawkins and other atheistic ilk don't have an exclusive license as to our origins. I know you'll disagree, but basic logic dictates to me that something never came from nothing and that goes all the way back to the origins of the universe. No one was there at the time, so the best they can do is take a look at the world around them and come to their own conclusion.[/QUOTE] It absolutely astonishes me that you use the word logic here ! :lol: All this says is that your mind is not big enough to comprehend the wonder that is science. You don't understand, so therefore there has to be a God??

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Hey, Didi, some of the most brilliant scientific discoveries of our recent history were made by those who acknowledged the possibility and probability of the existence of God (whatever the nature of said being's existence), so don't even start with me about little minds.

You didn't explain to me how it takes any LESS faith to believe that merely the unguided course of time and chaos brought us the natural world that exists today.

Enjoy your thread, several of you have proven your outright hypocrisy in not entertaining competing ideas (which I thought was what this thread represented), simply on the basis of someone daring to be anything other than an atheist. Oh, the horror!

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[QUOTE]That's where you're mistaken. The evidence of design is everywhere...how one defines that intelligence and design is based on the individual. Dawkins and other atheistic ilk don't have an exclusive license as to our origins. I know you'll disagree, but basic logic dictates to me that something never came from nothing and that goes all the way back to the origins of the universe. No one was there at the time, so the best they can do is take a look at the world around them and come to their own conclusion.[/QUOTE]

Who created "god"?

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;912851] Enjoy your thread, several of you have proven your outright hypocrisy in not entertaining competing ideas (which I thought was what this thread represented), simply on the basis of someone daring to be anything other than an atheist. Oh, the horror![/QUOTE]

you should be what you want man and not care what others think if you are convinced by it, coz no one will be responsible another's faith

[QUOTE=Shpira;912858]Who created "god"?[/QUOTE]

No One.

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;912851] Enjoy your thread, several of you have proven your outright hypocrisy in not entertaining competing ideas (which I thought was what this thread represented), simply on the basis of someone daring to be anything other than an atheist. Oh, the horror![/QUOTE]

you should be what you want man and not care what others think if you are convinced by it, coz no one will be responsible for another's faith

[QUOTE=Shpira;912858]Who created "god"?[/QUOTE]

No One.

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Anyone catch the Bristol news today. A girl disappeared before Christmas and her body was found on Christmas day in Clifton. I nearly spilt my coffee when they told me police are checking Clifton Suspension Bridge CCTV. It has 32 cameras that run 24/7

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;912851]Hey, Didi, some of the most brilliant scientific discoveries of our recent history were made by those who acknowledged the possibility and probability of the existence of God (whatever the nature of said being's existence), so don't even start with me about little minds.

You didn't explain to me how it takes any LESS faith to believe that merely the unguided course of time and chaos brought us the natural world that exists today.

Enjoy your thread, several of you have proven your outright hypocrisy in not entertaining competing ideas (which I thought was what this thread represented), simply on the basis of someone daring to be anything other than an atheist. Oh, the horror![/QUOTE]Just noticed this, Unfortunately for those scientists that acknowledged the possibility of the existence of a God , their brilliant scientific discoveries didn't include any proof of the existence of a god. Btw I think you will find that a lot of scientists would be quite happy to acknowledge a God if they just had proof!!

You don't need faith to believe in evolution There is concrete evidence about the theory of evolution.

And we are not talking about competing ideas, we are talking about ideas on one side, concrete evidence on the other.

The facts, just the facts :lol:

I seem to see the most vehement arguments here are trying to convince atheists that there is a God. Basically I don't care that you believe. If it works for you great !! Personally I get sick and tired of people trying to shove a God down my throat. Particularly when I see the horror of what happens in this world in the name of God.

[QUOTE]you should be what you want man and not care what others think if you are convinced by it, coz no one will be responsible for another's faith

[/QUOTE] Well said trick :)

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[QUOTE=DIDI;915363]Unfortunately for those scientists that acknowledged the possibility of the existence of a God , their brilliant scientific discoveries didn't include any proof of the existence of a god. [/QUOTE]

^ this

I find your logic flawed Vinnie to say the least. Some of the most brilliant discoveries of science were made by people who deny the existence of a god also. Neither is relevant to the existence of a higher power at all.

The person who one day discovers the cure for cancer may well have ginger hair.

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^^^ Precisely ! To both parts :lol:

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GREAT NEWS EVERYONE!

Obama was caught talking when he thought the microphones were off yesterday, and he was bitching about how behind the times the tecnology of the White House and Air Force One are, he says it feels like they are 20-30 years behind...

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS????? IT MEANS THAT CHUNKY CAN NO LONGER :deadhorse: AND MAKE TOTALLY ASININE COMMENTS ABOUT THE LACK OF 1080P PENTAGON PLANE FOOTAGE!!!! SEE!!! THE GOVERNMENT REALLY ISN'T PROTECTED BY THE T1000 AND SKYNET!!!@#!@#!@

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NNHUp.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;946480]GREAT NEWS EVERYONE!

Obama was caught talking when he thought the microphones were off yesterday, and he was bitching about how behind the times the tecnology of the White House and Air Force One are, he says it feels like they are 20-30 years behind...

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS????? IT MEANS THAT CHUNKY CAN NO LONGER :deadhorse: AND MAKE TOTALLY ASININE COMMENTS ABOUT THE LACK OF 1080P PENTAGON PLANE FOOTAGE!!!! SEE!!! THE GOVERNMENT REALLY ISN'T PROTECTED BY THE T1000 AND SKYNET!!!@#!@#!@

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NNHUp.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Are you closing threads again Res0? Do you have a link to this story. I will also point out that if this story is true Air Force One & The White House are not The pentagon and Obama makes no mention of The Pentagon in your post.

Also Bush admitted on Camera when he knew he was beening filmed that he saw the first plane hit the World Trade Centre on 9/11

[video=youtube;G-h4Zc57QKg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-h4Zc57QKg[/video]

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lolololololololol

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[QUOTE=chunky;953733]

[video=youtube;G-h4Zc57QKg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-h4Zc57QKg[/video][/QUOTE]

now...fuck i,m gonna look like i,m arguing here... if u were the person that shot that film of the first plane hitting the first tower and realised what u had on tape what would u do ? i dont think u wouldn't exactly keep it as a personal memento, personally i would of handed it into the proper authorities right away and this being america i would of handed it straight to the FBI ? after all these would be the guys that would be investigating it ? am i right ?

now looking at the severity of the event ( not knowing this was actually a terrorist attack with more to come ) i reckon that this was serious enough to reach presidential status in other words he would of been informed about it by the FBI straight away after all in the first video u actually see firemen who would of actually had radio contact with the correct authorities ? does this make sense ?

if u check the time line ( [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks[/url] ) the first plane hit @ 8:46 am and the second the second hits at 9:03 am that gives the person with the video 17 minutes to get it too the FBI and for them to relay that info to the president

ah fuck it ur all gonna think i,m talking bullshit anyway so whats the point

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oh and i could be wrong because the video doesn't state the correct times of bush's actions/positions

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but school in the UK doesn't start until 9 AM

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;953888]now...fuck i,m gonna look like i,m arguing here... if u were the person that shot that film of the first plane hitting the first tower and realised what u had on tape what would u do ? i dont think u wouldn't exactly keep it as a personal memento, personally i would of handed it into the proper authorities right away and this being america i would of handed it straight to the FBI ? after all these would be the guys that would be investigating it ? am i right ?

now looking at the severity of the event ( not knowing this was actually a terrorist attack with more to come ) i reckon that this was serious enough to reach presidential status in other words he would of been informed about it by the FBI straight away after all in the first video u actually see firemen who would of actually had radio contact with the correct authorities ? does this make sense ?

if u check the time line ( [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks[/URL] ) the first plane hit @ 8:46 am and the second the second hits at 9:03 am that gives the person with the video 17 minutes to get it too the FBI and for them to relay that info to the president

ah fuck it ur all gonna think i,m talking bullshit anyway so whats the point[/QUOTE]

The footage was shot by 2 French film makers who where making a documentary on New York fire-fighters. You have probably seen this documentary as its been show in the UK several times. They went on to cover the rest of what happened that day

This was also part of their footage

[video=google;2032865563019209801]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2032865563019209801#[/video]

So you reckon the first instint of the 2 reporters was to run down to the FBI get passed security, show it so someone in the FBI, up load the video send it to the president all in under 17 minutes. They run the WTC and carry on filming their documentary.