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[QUOTE]^Then I wasn't being clear. My belief was that these men were not too different from me[/QUOTE]

great, now where did this belief come from? did you grow up over there or did you just imagine that they must not be too different from you?

[QUOTE] but after having gotten to know them a little bit better[/QUOTE]

meaning you spent time with them over there or over here correct? or did you get to know them better thru the mainstream media?

[QUOTE]I recognized patters that indicate that they were raised very different from not only me, but different from most young men in the world. [/QUOTE]

Interesting, what paterns exactly did you recognize? and how do you know how most young men in the world are raised? Is this an assumption on your part or do you really know how most young people are raised?

[QUOTE]I think he means something ground braking...such as that you will not be a top athlete with super model wife and a billion in the bank...or the whole society we live in is geared towards creating retarded idiots that will buy shit they don't need going into debt and becoming dependable slaves of the system they will not question out of fear for their employment... Or maybe I don't understand? [/QUOTE]

i meant any and all beliefs, is it not somehow high and mighty of ourself to believe ANY ideal we have is original? i mean there is 6 billion people on the planet, and god knows how many before the current crop thats on this rock now.

Only when we can understand that most our beliefs are not only passed down to us, but they are also wrong for a number of reasons. In order to rid yourself of these blinders(cause we see everything thru our belief glasses), you have to sit down, identifiy all your beliefs and then search yourself for why you believe these things, when you started believing them, and if they still hold true or not.

It's a very well stated fact that people with preconceived notions about a subject will not listen to any different info on the subject if it goes against their beliefs, no matter if the new info is fact or not.

[QUOTE]According to cognitive dissonance theory, there is a tendency for individuals to seek consistency among their cognitions (i.e., beliefs, opinions). [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]Dissonance theory applies to all situations involving attitude formation and change. It is especially relevant to decision-making and problem-solving. [/QUOTE]

[URL]http://tip.psychology.org/festinge.html[/URL]

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From all that Dr. Phil stuff above it sounds to me like you are trying to get others to validate what you what you believe is true, rather than the other way around. :D

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, he is not entitled to his own facts."

• Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;889640]From all that Dr. Phil stuff above it sounds to me like you are trying to get others to validate what you what you believe is true, rather than the other way around. :D

"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, he is not entitled to his own facts."

• Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan of New York[/QUOTE]

Interesting that is what you took away from that post, i guess we cant all be intelligent i suppose.

and now for some more interesting 9-11 news....

[QUOTE][URL="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/09/military-intelligence-attempts-block-book-afghan-war/"][SIZE=4][B]Pentagon Attempts to Block Book Exposing Afghan War Secrets[/B][/SIZE][/URL]

[URL]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/09/military-intelligence-attempts-block-book-afghan-war/[/URL]

On the eve of Sept. 11, Fox News has learned the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency has attempted to block a book about the tipping point in Afghanistan and a controversial [B]pre-9/11 data mining project called "Able Danger." [/B] In a letter obtained by Fox News, the DIA says national security could be breached if "Operation Dark Heart" is published in its current form. The agency also attempted to block key portions of the book that claim "Able Danger" successfully identified Mohammed Atta as a threat to the U.S. [B]before[/B] the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks

Specifically, the DIA wanted references to a meeting between Lieutenant Colonel Tony Shaffer, the book's author, and the executive director of the 9/11 Commission, Philip Zelikow, removed. In that meeting, which took place in Afghanistan, Shaffer alleges the commission was told about "Able Danger" and the identification of Atta before the attacks. No mention was made in the final 9/11 report.

In a highly unusual move, [B][COLOR=red]the DIA is now negotiating with the publisher, St. Martin's Press, to buy all 10,000 copies of the first printing of the book to keep it off shelves[/COLOR][/B] -- even after the U.S. Army had cleared the book for release.

Shaffer spoke to Fox News before he was asked by the military not to discuss the book. He confirmed efforts to block the book and other details.

The documents and exclusive interviews, including an Army data collector on the Able Danger Project, are part of an ongoing investigation by the documentary unit "Fox News Reporting" which uncovered new details about American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki and efforts by the FBI to track and recruit him for intelligence purposes after 9/11.

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[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Danger[/URL]

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In December 2006, a sixteen-month investigation by the US Senate Intelligence Committee concluded "Able Danger did not identify Mohamed Atta or any other 9/11 hijacker at any time prior to September 11, 2001," and dismissed other assertions that have fueled 9/11 conspiracy theories.

The Senate Judiciary Committee first attempted to investigate the matter for the Senate in September, 2005. [B]The Pentagon "ordered five key witnesses not to testify"[/B], according to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter. "That looks to me as if it may be obstruction of the committee's activities," Specter, R-Pennsylvania, said at the start of his committee's hearing into the unit. [1][/QUOTE]

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The government trying to hide its incompetence when the cat is already out of the bag? Thats not news, thats SOP. Also I thought foxnews was the enemy. :D

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;889645]The government trying to hide its incompetence when the cat is already out of the bag? Thats not news, thats SOP. Also I thought foxnews was the enemy. :D[/QUOTE]

there are many sources for this story, this is just the first one i came across.

also i think you missed this part...

[QUOTE] In

a

highly

unusual

move,

[B][COLOR=red]the DIA is now negotiating with the publisher, St. Martin's Press, to buy all 10,000 copies of the first printing of the book to keep it off shelves[/COLOR][/B] -- even after the U.S. Army had cleared the book for release. [/QUOTE]

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You think that will squash the book from forever seeing the light of day? That is just a waste of time all around wouldn't you think?

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try getting the book from amazon and you tell me.

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Seem to remember someone telling me the evidence the Bush Administration failed to produce that Bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 could be found just by reading a book. Funny thing is I don’t remember the Bush Administration endorsing any book as evidence. Can’t honestly see how anything can be proven just by a book

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Did anyone catch Panorama last night? Britain's first war crimes tribunal cost £20 Million, yes that's ponds sterling!

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[QUOTE][/QUOTE]Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former director of studies at the US Army War College says that the military brass now know that Israel/Mossad and those traitors within our nation committed the 911 attack.

He's been saying this for a while now and it seems nobody wants to hear it.

[url]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article23460.htm[/url]

Don't shoot the messenger. :)

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nobody wants to hear it because even The Situation thinks that is retarded.

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The Situation [IMG]http://static.poponthepop.com/images/gallery/the-situation-for-gnc_446x600.jpg[/IMG]

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:)

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aaaah my eyes :shock:

thx a lot trick12 :lol:

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;894059]nobody wants to hear it because even The Situation thinks that is retarded.[/QUOTE]

He probably thinks the same thing about education.

If the shoe fits.

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Florida your not gay are you? I didn't know that..

The situation doesn't even have a six pack. I have seen better on my local beach. I wish the terrorists would bomb Jersey Shore

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^Do you always ask straight guys what their sexual orientation is on electronic music forums?

stop highjacking my thread :lol:

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Its not a 6 pack. It's The Situation.

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more like an awkward situation

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lol

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His abs look like what your back is supposed to look like if it is good shape.. Like two snakes fighting.

I like asking people if they're gay. I don't care but I find it funny if I have been talking to someone for 6 years and thought they were straight and then find out they are gay.

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^:lol: keep trying runningman...

...degenerating to name calling is not nice. that said, nobody on MS cares about your bigotry issues.

(cough troll) :lol:

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i really don't think ppl should care particularly if someone is gay or not...

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I don't care but I find it interesting to know. My point was if I spoke to someone for 6 years and didn't know I would think would be pretty sad. I don't really know them then do I?

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[QUOTE=Shpira;894919]i really don't think ppl should care particularly if someone is gay or not...[/QUOTE]

I couldn't care less but sometimes, it's nice to know, especially amonst friends.

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[video=youtube;vcy3VIrGxjk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcy3VIrGxjk[/video]

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Lt Col Anthony Shaffer and Michael Scheuer, 9 11 cover up.

[URL]http://www.infowars.com/operation-dark-heart-author-alleges-911-cover-up/[/URL]

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Great, a bunch of allegations, terrific.

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So the guy isn't being truthful?

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This video is a coverup. Notice how they cut out the beginning of his response around 7:40 and jump to his soundbite about "whitewash". Also notice he said it is coverup of how incompetent the intelligence community and all signals which were missed at the time. This doesn't equal George Bush authorizing 3k people to die.

You have failed.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;897196]

You have failed.[/QUOTE]

the whole thing is a cover up but we don't have to go down this road again do we reso. 3 million investigation, Henry Kissinger as head of the commission. You mite not see it as a cover up but it is

You know a last month the UK had its first war crimes tribunal. It spent 20 million Pounds investigating the death of 1 man who was murdered by a British solder. 9/11 comisson got $30 million dollars for the death of 3,000 people.

You keep telling your self it, if it makes you happy

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;897196] This doesn't equal George Bush authorizing 3k people to die. [/QUOTE]

Bush authorized more than 3000 US citizens to death when he invaded Iraq looking for imaginary weapons

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Not saying he's not being truthful :)

Saying we already know the Government is not discussing every facet of 9/11 with US citizens. So nothing new here, is what I meant.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;897196]This doesn't equal George Bush authorizing 3k people to die. [/QUOTE]

No, it's more like 4 thousand plus and thousands more injured.

[QUOTE]You have failed.[/QUOTE]

Whatever makes you happy.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;897210]Saying we already know the Government is not discussing every facet of 9/11 with US citizens. So nothing new here, is what I meant.[/QUOTE]

Have people given up already?

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no ones given up, because no one gives a shit, since they have a grip on reality. but thanks to teh internets a handful of people think they actually have a real life revolution going on. that is all.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;897323]because no one gives a shit, since they have a grip on reality.[/QUOTE]

Definitely a very strong grip on something and it sure as hell aint reality. :lol:

[QUOTE] but thanks to teh internets a handful of people think they actually have a real life revolution going on. that is all.[/QUOTE]

Yes reso the internet is having absolutely zero effect isn't it.

Again, whatever makes you happy.

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yup...just like all the conspiracy theorists. small anomalies and unexplainable events suddenly are the basis for x-files like facts. lol.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;897332]yup...just like all the conspiracy theorists. small anomalies and unexplainable events suddenly are the basis for x-files like facts. lol.[/QUOTE]

Disappearing aircraft, building’s that just fall down, hardly small anomalies. Its you that is failing here. Oh and antique CCTV

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;897332]yup...just like all the conspiracy theorists. small anomalies and unexplainable events suddenly are the basis for x-files like facts. lol.[/QUOTE]

One building goes down, possibility, Second one goes down, suspicious, Third one goes with no plane hitting it, is criminal.

One black box missing, is possible, but every single one?

Planes disintergrating on impact? Never ever happened in aviation history except on 9 11

Entire defense system of the United States just happen to fail on that particular day?

I mean how in the hell do you respond to a weapons attack of any sort, when slow moving "commercial" planes can't even be intercepted with plenty of time to do so?

The lie that has been fed to us by media and those in power is not only ridiculous, but also an insult to anyone who has the capacity for independent and rational thought.