would it?

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

I'll play out this thread for you:

Somebody: Probably yes, but he's not.

you: Dem = Socialist

Somebody: You don't make sense. (facepalm)

you: more nonsensical stuff.

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[quote=MJDub;660342]I'll play out this thread for you:

Somebody: Probably yes, but he's not.

you: Dem = Socialist

Somebody: You don't make sense. (facepalm)

you: more nonsensical stuff.[/quote]

[URL="http://politicallydrunk.blogspot.com/2008/10/web-archives-confirm-barack-obama-was.html"]Web Archives Confirm Barack Obama Was Member Of Socialist 'New Party' In 1996[/URL]

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yep, that about sums it MJ. [/thread]

Nice work dude! 8)

And now, here's a picture of two squirrels humping:

[img]http://home.swbell.net/go2guy/HumpingSquirrels2.jpg[/img]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[quote=MJDub;660342]I'll play out this thread for you:

Somebody: Probably yes, but he's not.

you: Dem = Socialist

Somebody: You don't make sense. (facepalm)

you: more nonsensical stuff.[/quote]

[quote=Jenks;660348]yep, that about sums it MJ. [/thread]

Nice work dude! 8)

And now, here's a picture of two squirrels humping:

[IMG]http://home.swbell.net/go2guy/HumpingSquirrels2.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

obama was a member of the socialist party the New Party... duh?

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

look, a flying squirrel!!

[img]http://www.inspirationline.com/images/flying-squirrel.jpg[/img]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

look a socialist squirrel

[IMG]http://bp2.blogger.com/_hbHSqjZuBJU/R7KMToaIFJI/AAAAAAAAAHY/NvMY99qHloM/s320/squirrel+1.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG]http://steveringo.com/images/Gallery/full/squirrel.jpg[/IMG]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

lol lol lol

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

lmao ya this thread unduly delivers. :lol:

[IMG]http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq133/arcana10/joshua.gif[/IMG]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

the ignorance is strong in this thread...

did any of you actually read the article?

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

I did. I looked up the Wikipedia article on the New Party as well.

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Party_(USA[/URL]) [URL]http://www.newparty.org/[/URL]

I'm wary about it, but I'm not about to freak out at the mere mention of the word "Socialist". As far as I can currently tell, these guys were primarily focused on trying to change the current two party system into a multi-party system. They didn't have the best proposal for it, and it was ruled unconstitutional. I'm not quite ready to jump from there to the abolishment of private property, collectivization of industries, marketing around in stupid fur hats - you know, all the stuff that the typical American thinks when you say "Socialist". From everything I've seen so far, I really don't get the sense that Obama is actually going to take my car and my house.

Personally, I think it wouldn't be half bad if we could get away from the winner-take-all misery of these two dominant political parties. I don't think that the Fusion system is the best way to do it, though.

At this point, I'm still more likely to roll the dice for Obama than for McCain. I'm not thrilled with Obama, but I'm less thrilled with McCain...and I can't [I]stand[/I] Palin.

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[quote=shosh;660398]the ignorance is strong in this thread...

did any of you actually read the article?[/quote]

Shosh, I can't believe I'm going to agree with him, but 88Mariner said something about brand loyalty last night, that made alot of sense... And may help explain the squirrel porn that has unfortunately hijacked this thread...

If it was found that Obama was a baby eating, squirrel stomping, pedophile scientologist priest from Xenu, it wouldn't matter to most of the Obama cult members here, or anywhere else...

You and I will never understand what's it's like to have the warm, sticky load of "hope" and "change" sprayed into our face... As such, we will never truly understand what it's like to be blinded by the gloriful ejaculate of socialist propaganda...

And McCain isn't much better... I hate voting for the lesser of two evils... Especially when McCain spends the entire debate trying to sound like a Democrat, and Obama dances around, trying to convince us all that he's not the socialist jackhole that he once was...

We're screwed...

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

^ lol. then don't vote for the "lesser of two evils," it's that easy. that's what some of us are doing anyways.

no negotiation with evil tardmasters here.

third party :RockOn:

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

i cant stand all the shit some people say when they try to be pro obama... and im in your bucket k3n3, mccain is lost in space. its just so annoying seeing these mindless twits wandering around NYC literally, panhandling for this fuckwit mook. honestly, i really hope someone gets him....

bob barr all the way. and honestly, the only obamafan i know has intelligence is toasty, other than that i wonder.... nothing like seeing a photo major from NYU, who wears a scarf, teeshirt, and jeans that an anoreixic patient wouldnt queenze into, trying to teach me how barak will solve economic issues.

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[IMG]http://obamalies.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/obama_supporters.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG]http://www.sugarbushsquirrel.com/image/6923736_scaled_539x363.jpg[/IMG]

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[IMG]http://www.vi-r-us.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/squirrel.jpg[/IMG]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

shosh tomorrow [IMG]http://img.metro.co.uk/i/pix/2008/05/SquirrelMasons_450x537.jpg[/IMG]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[quote=thesightless;660439]its just so annoying seeing these mindless twits wandering around NYC literally, panhandling for this fuckwit mook.[/quote]

Couldn't have said it better...

Oh, hey look! It's a double entendre in image format... It's just fuckin' amazing how the dead are magically arising from their graves, just to register (with the help of Acorn) and vote for Obama in 2008... While at the same time this image accurately depicts the average IQ of most brain-dead Obama cult members...

[IMG]http://www.b3tards.com/u/0154b654c2a7a601f461/1adawn.jpg[/IMG]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[quote=Miroslav;660425]I did. I looked up the Wikipedia article on the New Party as well.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Party_%28USA"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Party_(USA[/URL]) [URL]http://www.newparty.org/[/URL]

I'm wary about it, but I'm not about to freak out at the mere mention of the word "Socialist". As far as I can currently tell, these guys were primarily focused on trying to change the current two party system into a multi-party system. They didn't have the best proposal for it, and it was ruled unconstitutional. I'm not quite ready to jump from there to the abolishment of private property, collectivization of industries, marketing around in stupid fur hats - you know, all the stuff that the typical American thinks when you say "Socialist". From everything I've seen so far, I really don't get the sense that Obama is actually going to take my car and my house.

Personally, I think it wouldn't be half bad if we could get away from the winner-take-all misery of these two dominant political parties. I don't think that the Fusion system is the best way to do it, though.

At this point, I'm still more likely to roll the dice for Obama than for McCain. I'm not thrilled with Obama, but I'm less thrilled with McCain...and I can't [I]stand[/I] Palin.[/quote]

dude the new party was a socialist party. it was set up and organized by the DSA and what they believe in and the policies they want to implement are socialist. you can do better than wikipedia

go ask some of the older people that you know that do remember 1992-1998 about the new party... they'll tell you

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[quote=shosh;660465]dude the new party was a socialist party. it was set up and organized by the DSA and what they believe in and the policies they want to implement are socialist. [/quote]

Shosh, I can almost guarantee that eventually we'll find out (after the election), that Soros (or some other shady entity) had been funding this "new party" deal for some time...

BTW... There's some chatter on some of the blogs, about an "October Surprise" that McCain's got his hands on... Something about some tapes of Obama & Ayers, chatting up all the positive aspects of Communism, and how best to implement the ideaology into American politics... Word is it'll be released in a few days...

This might just have been the warning you all should have listened to, and could have been the ammo that Hillary wasn't willing to use way-back-when... [URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-c-johnson/no-he-cant-because-yes_b_87036.html[/URL]

Here's hoping it's true... Then, [I]maybe/I some of you obama drones will wake the fuck up....

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[quote=k3n3;660454]While at the same time this image accurately depicts the average IQ of most brain-dead Obama cult members...[/quote] What you say may be true. Obama and Biden aren't all that great. But can you seriously say with a straight face that the other side is much better? For God's sake, look at what the last eight years have been like! And then tell me about IQ...

[quote=shosh;660465]dude the new party was a socialist party. it was set up and organized by the DSA and what they believe in and the policies they want to implement are socialist. you can do better than wikipedia

go ask some of the older people that you know that do remember 1992-1998 about the new party... they'll tell you[/quote] I know that. Specifically, they referred to themselves as "democratic socialists", but I still don't know exactly what that means. I know what people typically think when anyone says "socialism" - they immediately think Communist Russia in 1978. Are you telling me that that's what these people were trying to do? Abolish private property, switch to a planned economy, etc.? I don't know any older people who know anything about the New Party. If you have some info that provides more policy specifics of this group, please share.

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

dude, your problem right now is WHY the conservatives, libertarians, and other right-of-center folk are leaving the GOP and pulling thier support for the McCain camp DESPITE THE FACT OBAMA IS ALREADY A BIT MORE SOCIALIST THAN MCCAIN. But then, how far could that possibly be after the largest expansion of government and irresponsible governing in almost 100 years.

You people (heh) need to realize that pointing out flaws with Obama at this point means so little to us. Our concerns aren't with Obama; they're with how far fucking left McCain and his fucking RINO's sit on the x-axis. And if McCain wins, it will solidify the GOP as a non-conservative party. It's going to happen. It will happen this election...and if not...next election. People like you are a disservice to conservatism, limited government, fiscal responsibility, and rational foreign policy. Your pussy-ass neoconservatism must die, and it must be remembered that it is a FAILED ideology, much as communism has been proven. Did you even fucking notice that Joe Lieberman gave a fuckin speech at the fucking Grand Old Progressives converntion??? have you not noticed McCain cheerleading collectivism, government worship, and waging wars which costs us billions of dollars while saying he isn't going to raise taxes? WHERE IS GOING TO GET THE MONEY????? GET REALL MAN!

And this post DOES NOT contain sarcasm.

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

non conservative or neo ? huge difference. im thinking neo, cuz they follow hard right wing ideals with whatever means neccessary, i.e. that spending increase and turning the bill of rights into toilet paper over the last 5-6 years. but nothing from obama's policy intentions show me he will shrink government, but he will change its perspective and goals.

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[quote=thesightless;660503]non conservative or neo ? huge difference. im thinking neo, cuz they follow hard right wing ideals with whatever means neccessary, i.e. that spending increase and turning the bill of rights into toilet paper over the last 5-6 years. but nothing from obama's policy intentions show me he will shrink government, but he will change its perspective and goals.[/quote]

neoconservatives have NOTHING to do with ANYTHING right of the center line. right wing ideals of pursuing ideals with whatever means necessary? WHAT? are you drunk?

Again, i don't really care about Obama not shrinking government. I care about the fact that it is being pepetuated that McCain Will: HE WONT. He wasn't conservative in 2000. Why the HELL do people think he's a conservative now? Because the neocon cheerleaders push this.

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

hey dont get angry, but im sorry, mccain is a neo conservative along the lines of GW2 and cheney, he just smiles more often. they damn sure do have something do with right of center thinking, just not spending and government. umm. implementation of religion into governance, immigration ideas, military and expansionism of spheres of influence, and much more.

being right wing doesnt indicate a sole idea of small government, there is a ton more to it, as is with the hard left.

they spend like a 20th new deal though, i agree there, and if spending is your only requirement of dicating where a person stands on a political comparison line, then yes, they are so far left roosevelt cant see em from heaven.

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[QUOTE] The next debate will be the most important debate of the campaign–yet neither Barack Obama nor John McCain will be present. The next debate is about what happens to conservatism after John McCain’s defeat in November. [/QUOTE]

[URL]http://www.culture11.com/article/32704[/URL]

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[QUOTE=Cj Tari;660360]look a socialist squirrel

[IMG]http://bp2.blogger.com/_hbHSqjZuBJU/R7KMToaIFJI/AAAAAAAAAHY/NvMY99qHloM/s320/squirrel+1.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

FTW!! :lol:

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[QUOTE=k3n3;660480] BTW... There's some chatter on some of the blogs, about an "October Surprise" that McCain's got his hands on... Something about some tapes of Obama & Ayers, chatting up all the positive aspects of Communism, and how best to implement the ideaology into American politics... Word is it'll be released in a few days... [/QUOTE]

This sounds strikingly like the rumblings about the Michelle Obama tape ranting about "whitey" at Rev. Wright's church that [B]also [/B]turned out to be bullshit. Was always supposed "to be released in a few days," but never was. This tactic where the wingnuts start openly speculating about something with no basis in fact so much that it begins to take on credibility isn't going to work this time -- people have learned to see through the Republican Noise Machine. If you've got footage, post it. This whisper campaign is just tired.

[QUOTE=k3n3;660480] This might just have been the warning you all should have listened to, and could have been the ammo that Hillary wasn't willing to use way-back-when... [URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-c-johnson/no-he-cant-because-yes_b_87036.html[/URL] [/QUOTE]

How funny is it that those on the right wing are now latching onto the words of PUMA ringleader Larry Johnson like they are gold, because the guy was a massive thorn in the collective side of the GOP up until Hillary began losing the Dem. nomination. I'd bet that you and shosh discounted wholesale everything he said when he was vehemently supporting Valerie Plame's claim that she was covert, but now he's the fucking oracle. Riiiiiiight... :roll:

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[quote=88Mariner;660501] You people (heh) need to realize that pointing out flaws with Obama at this point means so little to us. Our concerns aren't with Obama[/quote]

you talkin' to me ??? My concerns [I]ARE[/I] with Obama, and yet no one here is forcing you to listen, respond, take offense, etc...

i was at a rally with Chuck Baldwin & Ron Paul last week... And they opened my eyes to alot of things... I will likely vote for a third-party candidate this year, for the first time in my life... However, I see Obama as the larger threat at this point in time, so I reserve the right to bash Obama whenever I see fit... Freedom of speech and all...

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[quote=Miroslav;660496]What you say may be true. Obama and Biden aren't all that great. But can you seriously say with a straight face that the other side is much better? For God's sake, look at what the last eight years have been like! And then tell me about IQ...[/quote]

Yeah, I'm not saying the republican ticket is much better... If I was at one point, I'm certainly not now... With the financial crisis & all... i attended a rally with Chuck Baldwin & Ron Paul last week... And they opened my eyes to alot of things, and I now see how similar both of the political parties really are... I will likely vote for a third-party candidate this year, for the first time in my life...

However, I reserve the right to remain, firmly "anti-Obama"...

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

did you attend a rally with chuck paul and ron paul last week? i missed it if you said so.

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

[quote=k3n3;660718]However, I reserve the right to remain, firmly "anti-Obama"...[/quote] By all means, you have that right. But I think it's safe to say that your only real choice is one of the two... Unless there is greater reform at the Constitutional level, you'll always only have two real options for office.

Heck, that's what that "Socialist" party that Obama was tied to was trying to do, but it failed.

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[quote=toasty;660639]This sounds strikingly like the rumblings about the Michelle Obama tape ranting about "whitey" at Rev. Wright's church that [B]also [/B]turned out to be bullshit. Was always supposed "to be released in a few days," but never was. [/quote]

Time will tell, this was just wishful thinking on my part, after hearing some delicious rumors from a semi-reliable source... And from what I've heard it will be released "a few days" [I]after [/I]the next debate... Seems kinda strange though, how the Ayers stuff has ramped up [U]drastically[/U] over the last few days... Kinda feels like we're waiting for some sort or Rove-ian climax... I can't wait...

[quote=toasty;660639] How funny is it that those on the right wing are now latching onto the words of PUMA ringleader Larry Johnson like they are gold, because the guy was a massive thorn in the collective side of the GOP up until Hillary began losing the Dem. nomination. I'd bet that you and shosh discounted wholesale everything he said when he was vehemently supporting Valerie Plame's claim that she was covert, but now he's the fucking oracle. Riiiiiiight... :roll:[/quote]

Who's Larry Johnson? Some big bigshot Dem? I've never heard of him before reading what he posted on the Huffington Post... Word around the blogosphere (long ago) was that Hillary had some dirt on Obama, but wasn't willing to dish it to win the nomination (damaging the DEM party and all...). It kinda makes sense that she's now backed off with regard to supporting him, and chose not to accept an offer for VP... Maybe she's just smart enough to keep him at arm's length... hmmmm....

I'm not claiming any conspiracy theory, and who knows if it's true or not... I just think it would be f-in awesome, and the stuff of political legend if it were true... I'm keeping my fingers crossed...

Re: would it bother you if you found out obama was a member of a socialist party?

So what if he was/is socialist democrat. . .its not like the day he gets elected he's gonna say that all industry and all wealth is nationalized and that your gonna have a government controlled economy. Or that the election process will be destroyed that the US will no longer be a democracy.
IMO Democratic socialism is probably the only half decent thing that can save America from the all the shit thats made it into what it is today. . . no offense intended to anyone. It just seems to me that ppl are more focused on labels than on substance. Its clear that there is note of socialism in him from all the policies he argues for. . . redistribution of wealth through taxes i.e. taxing the rich more so that some of the poorest have better living opportunities is essentially a socialist idea. If this really bothers you than don't vote for him. Countries all over the world are embracing democratic socialism as its the only political idea that makes ANY real sense in this fucked up world only the US seems a bit slow to catch on.

The thing is no matter who wins little will change.

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[QUOTE=k3n3;660735]It kinda makes sense that she's now backed off with regard to supporting him, and chose not to accept an offer for VP...[/QUOTE]

1. she wasn't offered the VP.

2. the Ayers stuff is getting ramped up again because the McCain camp is on it's last leg, and they're clutching at straws for anything that might get them a few points. the Ayers stuff didn't work for Clinton 6 months ago, and it's not going to work for McCain now. It's working on Shosh, but...yeah, that's no surprise.

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[quote=Jenks;660723]did you attend a rally with chuck paul and ron paul last week? i missed it if you said so.[/quote]

My parents are good friends with Dr. Paul, and have been for a good many years, helping to get him elected & re-elected to Congres for quite some time now... they invited me along, after hearing I might be considering a vote for McCain... It was an eye-opening experience to say the least...

Politics is a shady, shady business... Can't say that I'd ever have the stomach to get involved in it...

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[quote=Jenks;660738]1. she wasn't offered the VP.[/quote] c'mon, you don't [I]really [/I]know that for sure, do you? Bill said she didn't want it, whether she was/wasn't asked... Maybe she wasn't... Time will tell

[quote=Jenks;660738] 2. the Ayers stuff is getting ramped up again because the McCain camp is on it's last leg, and they're clutching at straws for anything that might get them a few points. the Ayers stuff didn't work for Clinton 6 months ago, and it's not going to work for McCain now. It's working on Shosh, but...yeah, that's no surprise.[/quote]

We'll see... You could be right... However, the Republicans have managed to outsmart the Dems (for better or worse), several times before... I'm not claiming any of this as fact (yet), just think it would be funny as shit, if it were true...

Just keep watching, this Ayers stuff might possibly blow up in a big way...

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[QUOTE=k3n3;660742]My parents are good friends with Dr. Paul, and have been for a good many years, helping to get him elected & re-elected to Congres for quite some time now... they invited me along, after hearing I might be considering a vote for McCain... It was an eye-opening experience to say the least...

Politics is a shady, shady business... Can't say that I'd ever have the stomach to get involved in it...[/QUOTE]

Guess my sarcasm didn't come through on the internet. :p I posted that because you said nearly the exact same thing twice in a row to Miroslav above. Department of redundancy department. ;)

Very cool tho you got to get close to Paul. I dig that guy.