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Prediction.

IF DJIA rallies from where it is now into November then McCain will win.

If DJIA tanks from where it is now into November Obama will win.

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she better bring cookies and juice to those six party talks with north korea too!

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[QUOTE=thesightless;642145]so toasty. how happy were you last night. i dont like him at all, but one hell of a speech[/QUOTE]

For me, it was one of the best political speeches I've ever seen. I really like how it was less flowery and more forceful. When he shouted "ENOUGH" towards the beginning of the speech, it pretty much summed up my thoughts about the past 8 years.

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and considering a ranking board member at a major NY bank is on tape saying "if the nigger wins, we're gonna chaneg the market big time".....

wall street is doing its best to dupe investors for the next 4 months. they are shitting thier pants and ready to tank it if barak wins.... which is so unsettling.....

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[quote=toasty;642165]For me, it was one of the best political speeches I've ever seen. I really like how it was less flowery and more forceful. When he shouted "ENOUGH" towards the beginning of the speech, it pretty much summed up my thoughts about the past 8 years.[/quote]

the point i have been making is... the last 8 years... i blame congress moreso (therefore the democrats, they have control), in that they couldnt do anything, yet alone the one thing 95% of the world wants and 99% of this country...

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toasdty, you'll like this..

i already have the location on the wall that im gonna put my head through on election day. i lose no matter what.

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[quote=thesightless;642168]the point i have been making is... the last 8 years... i blame congress moreso (therefore the democrats, they have control), in that they couldnt do anything, yet alone the one thing 95% of the world wants and 99% of this country...[/quote]

Hello. How does this not make sense to people?

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[quote=anonin;642160]and lets not forget that with the rise of russia and china, that PTA experience is going to be so key, and i think i heard something about her brother being the snowmobile champion too??? sold!![/quote]

No that's her husband!! LMAO

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It doesn't matter. We can all mock her but this was a decidedly good choice for McCain and will threaten Obama's chances at the presidency. Biden is willing to carry on statist agendas that were left by Nixon and Reagan (drug war). A pure conservative such as Palin could open up the door not only to Clinton's voters but potential conservative female votes we may have never seen in prior elections. Politically, she's never held a congressional position so any records of her 'voting' for a war (which are probably none though we probably know in her mind she is a proponent) will go up against Obama's 'I didn't vote for this war' stance. It's an excellent strategic pick by McCain's party, something the republicans needed to boost party confidence. However, Biden is smoking them all with congressional experience and 'ethics' which far overshadow Palin's.

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[quote=Pensacola Emilie;642172]No that's her husband!! LMAO[/quote]

awww shucks, i'm getting the fam confused [IMG]http://wonkette.com/assets/resources/2008/05/sarapalinlego.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=thesightless;642167]and considering a ranking board member at a major NY bank is on tape saying "if the nigger wins, we're gonna chaneg the market big time".....[/quote]

sauce? link?

kinda lol'ed but astounded that someone actually said that

[quote=thesightless;642169]toasdty, you'll like this..

i already have the location on the wall that im gonna put my head through on election day. [SIZE=3][B]i lose no matter what.[/B][/SIZE][/quote]

hmmm.... which is is:

[quote=thesightless;642163][SIZE=3][B]no i will win.[/B][/SIZE] obama is gonna win, and i have already transferred my money into stocks that will beinifit with a fullly democratic govt'. both houses and the white house will be under thier control so bet on alternative energy comapnies, large scale industris with heavy influential unions, etc[/quote]

:BangHead: thats what ill be doing too if he wins

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[QUOTE=thesightless;642168]the point i have been making is... the last 8 years... i blame congress moreso (therefore the democrats, they have control), in that they couldnt do anything, yet alone the one thing 95% of the world wants and 99% of this country...[/QUOTE]

It always amazes me when people say shit like this, which ignores the fact that Congress was controlled for 6 of the last 8 years by the GOP. Yes, the Democratically controlled Congress has had its ass handed to it, but it isn't as if everything was Kool & the Gang up until January 2007, at which time everything went to shit. No way does the GOP get a pass for the failures of Congress -- especially since they've been the ones filibustering everything over the last year and a half.

Remember when "filibuster" was a dirty word and Republicans constantly demanded a "yes or no vote" on everything? Now, the drumbeat is, "everyone knows you need 60 votes to get anything accomplished in the Senate," while the GOP filibusters everything is sight. To borrow a phrase from Dennis Kucinich, WAKE UP AMERICA!

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[quote=toasty;642240]It always amazes me when people say shit like this, which ignores the fact that Congress was controlled for 6 of the last 8 years by the GOP. Yes, the Democratically controlled Congress has had its ass handed to it, but it isn't as if everything was Kool & the Gang up until January 2007, at which time everything went to shit. No way does the GOP get a pass for the failures of Congress -- especially since they've been the ones filibustering everything over the last year and a half.

Remember when "filibuster" was a dirty word and Republicans constantly demanded a "yes or no vote" on everything? Now, the drumbeat is, "everyone knows you need 60 votes to get anything accomplished in the Senate," while the GOP filibusters everything is sight. To borrow a phrase from Dennis Kucinich, WAKE UP AMERICA![/quote]

The point is its Congress..........not who controls it.

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[QUOTE=Lorn;642257]The point is its Congress..........not who controls it.[/QUOTE]

Look at what sightless wrote (emphasis mine):

[QUOTE=thesightless;642168]the point i have been making is... the last 8 years... i blame congress moreso ([B]therefore the democrats, they have control[/B]), in that they couldnt do anything, yet alone the one thing 95% of the world wants and 99% of this country...[/QUOTE]

Kinda looks like he's blaming the democrats, I'd say.

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my worst fears are this

a few months into his presidency, McCain keels over or has a stroke that leaves him incapacitated.

And then, in his place, is this noob govnah with little experience outside of juneau. she's got nothing on foreign policy, and worse is the neocon's who will encircle her like vultures on a dead cow, and she'll have no choice but to listen to them.

Can you just imagine, for a moment, what will be going through the minds of millions of Americans....that the leader of the free world is a person with such little understanding of the world we live in? I thought about it for a moment at work today, and I felt sick to my stomach.

I mean, I don't even think she understands what's going on. I'm absolutely flabergasted that she accepted against what would be for the best of the country. It reeks of opportunism, not of the will or desire to reform government. Any person in her position should say, "thanks, but no thanks, there are more serious and better choices to fill such an incredible position".

FFS, she's the tie-breaking vote, too! One can only assume she'll tow the party line for the sake of towing the party line.

One last comment; I think this tells me (in contrast to what toasty said), that McCain thinks he has a shot to win if he can carry over the Hillary voters.

This wasn't a choice to run a government, this was a choice to win an election. It's about the politics to McCain, and nothing more.

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[quote=shosh;642144]no im not voting for mccain cause he's white... im voting for him cause he's not obama lol. of course you can infer whatever you want from that and make it a race issue as obama is making it... if you dont want to vote for obama yous racist[/quote]

you're voting for mccain because you think Obama will make things worse off. To the contrary, Obama won't change much and it will be McCain that will show us how to sink a ship.

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Check this out. Kinda like appointing John Bolton, who loathes the UN, to be UN Ambassador:

[QUOTE] Larry Kudlow of CNBC’s “Kudlow & Co.” asked her about the possibility of becoming McCain's ticket mate.

Palin replied: “As for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.”[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969.html[/url]

This is actually just kinda funny and as the article notes, might cut in her favor from an "anti-Washington" standpoint. With that said, though, I'm a bit bothered by the comment that the VP slot would need to be "fruitful ... especially for Alaskans."

Seriously, what on earth does that mean? Personally, I'm not all that concerned about what happens to Alaska specifically, as opposed to the country as a whole. Is the reference to "the things we're trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S." a reference to drilling for oil? Because, you know, if there's one thing this country needs, it's another executive with a soft spot for oil...

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[quote=88Mariner;642279]my worst fears are this

a few months into his presidency, McCain keels over or has a stroke that leaves him incapacitated.

And then, in his place, is this noob govnah with little experience outside of juneau. she's got nothing on foreign policy, and worse is the neocon's who will encircle her like vultures on a dead cow, and she'll have no choice but to listen to them.

Can you just imagine, for a moment, what will be going through the minds of millions of Americans....that the leader of the free world is a person with such little understanding of the world we live in? I thought about it for a moment at work today, and I felt sick to my stomach.

I mean, I don't even think she understands what's going on. I'm absolutely flabergasted that she accepted against what would be for the best of the country. It reeks of opportunism, not of the will or desire to reform government. Any person in her position should say, "thanks, but no thanks, there are more serious and better choices to fill such an incredible position".

FFS, she's the tie-breaking vote, too! One can only assume she'll tow the party line for the sake of towing the party line.

One last comment; I think this tells me (in contrast to what toasty said), that McCain thinks he has a shot to win if he can carry over the Hillary voters.

This wasn't a choice to run a government, this was a choice to win an election. It's about the politics to McCain, and nothing more.[/quote]

According to Faux Noise, the extent of her 'foreign policy' is talking about fishing with Russia and some other retarded nonsense with Canada. She's more than just a lowly govnar; she's a gateway to all things natural resources, an epitome of the female conservative MILF with an NRA membership, and someone who looks to torpedo the Obama campaign ship with conservative rhetoric. I'm anticipating the VP debates because personally I'd like to see Biden stomp her.

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what family photo this is

[img]http://web.me.com/dnksr/vpilf.com/SARAH_PALIN__Vice_President_Nominee/Entries/2008/8/24_John_McCain_Running_Mate_files/shapeimage_2.jpg[/img]

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[quote=buckman;642285]what family photo this is

[IMG]http://web.me.com/dnksr/vpilf.com/SARAH_PALIN__Vice_President_Nominee/Entries/2008/8/24_John_McCain_Running_Mate_files/shapeimage_2.jpg[/IMG][/quote]

I like how the daughter on the left has a tan in alaska.

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Did anyone see her coming out speech? How'd she do and what is she like?

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OK, this is completely juvenile, yet I can't resist posting it. Just for laughs:

[IMG]http://wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/mccainpalin.jpg[/IMG]

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fire with fire. dark politics.

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lOL saw it this morning at around 9ish pacific time.

As expected, and cliche it was tbh. ...Like any soccer/pta mom would -- with glossy emotion and candor. I don't care tho, she might be chill, but it's all a frenzied mudslinging at each other over empirical shit till Nov.

/ Disregard this, and keelhaul me now as this storm passes.

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[quote=toasty;642260]

Kinda looks like he's blaming the democrats, I'd say.[/quote]

Yes it does.

However, this political forum has become increasingly more what the posters are saying about each other rather then having a discussion about politics. Maybe thats where the fun is.

Does seem in the end Politics really is all about self.

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[quote=Lorn;642296]Yes it does.

However, this political forum has become increasingly more what the posters are saying about each other rather then having a discussion about politics. Maybe thats where the fun is.

Does seem in the end Politics really is all about self.[/quote]

Not necessarily. You just have the few members who are either abrassive for the sake of attention or see the future as nothing but impending doom and blame everyone for it.

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^ha. should i [I]jump[/I] ship [I]to[/I] the personal [I]conclusions[/I] as well?! -- said the "circle jerk" hint hint

we all do our best to handle our flaws unfortunately. deal with it or cry more, your self rightiousness.

"dream of the future and you will see the regeneration of the world."

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I just don't understand this. Maybe as I learn more about Palin, it will make more sense. I'm not saying she necessarily incompetent in any glaring way... But it just seems that to take someone practically unknown...and relatively inexperienced...and under an ethics investigation... just to pander to disenchanted female Hillary supporters, and to combat the old age perception?? It seems like rather coarse, almost offensively short-sighted logic to me for the choice of a VP... the combination of the two of them seems almost grotesque.

[quote=Pensacola Emilie;642117]McCain must have Alzheimers!!!!! First choosing a woman and expecting women to vote for him just because is an insult![/quote] Yes... thank you... I'm glad that others see through this as well.

Biden at least made sense. Whether you think it should have been Hillary or not, at least Biden has a real track record of experience, particularly in areas where Obama is weak. Yes, Obama is also short on experience, but for better or worse, he has demonstrated his charisma in getting enough people to follow his vision. What has she demonstrated?

I just don't get how this really bolsters the Republican bid.

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This from Ed Rollins from CNN, regarding Sarah Palin:

[QUOTE] The "who" is a young, articulate, smart, tough, pro-life woman who is the governor of our northernmost state. She is conservative and a mother of five, including a son in the Army who is set to be deployed to Iraq on September 11. Her youngest child has Down syndrome. The "Barracuda" nickname came from her aggressive basketball play on the state championship basketball team. She is a hunter, pilot and lifetime member of the NRA. She is blunt, outspoken and charming. And don't assume she can't stand toe-to-toe with Joe Biden. She is a great debater. And she was runner-up for the Miss Alaska title, won Miss Congeniality in that contest and plays the flute. [/QUOTE]

Ok. Let's play find the glurge:

[B]Mother of 5 Son in the army, [/B][B]set to be deployed to Iraq on September 11. child with [/B][B]Down syndrome hunter, pilot and [/B][B]lifetime member of the NRA runner-up for the Miss Alaska title, but won [/B][B]Miss Congeniality[/B]

This is so totally exploitative it makes me sick. Can they find someone with any longer a laundry list of political "unassailables", regardless of how random? It's like they have a matrix of politicians and went and looked up the one with the most vapidly inspirational bullet points.

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[quote=88Mariner;642280]you're voting for mccain because you think Obama will make things worse off. To the contrary, Obama won't change much and it will be McCain that will show us how to sink a ship.[/quote]

isnt obama proclaiming change? lol come on man!

btw, it makes me laugh listening to you guys talking about her inexperience and what she hasnt done... hello? obama? what has that assclown done? go look at his district in chicago, hasnt done shit.. also talking about her inexperience with foreign policy... same can be said about obama so give me a break

talking about her ethics scandal? hmmm... ayers, rezko, etc.

funny how when people were bringing this shit up about obama, and his family, etc. it was horrible, but now you all do the same about this bitch... oh the hypocrisy

the fact that she is a gun toting, fishing, snowmobiling, mom, etc woman only points to her being just an ordinary person. or is she too ordinary thus taking away from obama's act as the ordinary guy who in fact is anything but ordinary and a snob?

exploitative? give me a break! think of the reasons obama picked biden.

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[quote=toasty;642289]Did anyone see her coming out speech? How'd she do and what is she like?[/quote]

She sounded more like a soccer mom than the possible leader of this country!!!!! I agree that it was in my eyes extremely irresponsible and selfish of her to accept the nomination. Before becoming governor she was the mayor of a town that has less than 10,000 people. And she thinks she can run the country?????:shock: C'mon that's like me accepting the nomination. (I was also on the short list of course!:))

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[quote=w0e & cri5is;642302]^ha. should i [I]jump[/I] ship [I]to[/I] the personal [I]conclusions[/I] as well?! -- said the "circle jerk" hint hint

we all do our best to handle our flaws unfortunately. deal with it or cry more, your self rightiousness.

"dream of the future and you will see the regeneration of the world."[/quote]

Too bad I wasn't referring to you.

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^ i know. too bad huh. comeasured ur thoughts b4. but they will respond. no harm intended. later local.

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[quote=Localizer;642364]Too bad I wasn't referring to you.[/quote]

aye aye

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^^^ jah? explain to me ur picture comment then. was it personal or pure cleverness? if the latter, i am verily sorry for the presumptuousness hombre.

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[IMG]http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/4526/276245838748576d339cokr9.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fkJ0HgcMtayy/610x.jpg[/IMG]

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[B]McCain's VP Pick is Insulting[/B] Ok. So, McCain obviously choose his VP running mate Palin because she is a woman and he wants to lure disaffected Clinton supporters.

I find this to be extremely insulting as a woman. Does McCain think that as a woman I am so stupid and ill educated that I would vote for someone simply because she is a woman like me? Give me a break! Her stance on nearly every major issue is the antitheses of the stance that Clinton held. Does he really think that women are not smart enough to look at what matters in a candidate. You know those little things, like what are the planks that hold her platform of ideals together and what is her political record in regards to those issues. No thank you McCain - I am no dummy and nether are my fellow female voters. We can't and we wont be lured by sex alone; substance outranks the fact that she is a woman 10 to 1.

This is nothing more than a cheap parlor trick.

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what i dont get is this, Obama, knowing he had questionable issues regarding his experience and other topics such as foreing policies, choose someone that could help him not only win an election but would also help him out once that election was won.

Mccain in the other hand just went with the most favorable cliche he could get, i mean, they just went with what could give them the best chance to win this election, not someone qualified enough to run a country in case old man would be relieved of his duty.

i was listening to allan combs on the radio and he asked a quality question, "do you think this woman would be capable of running this country in case mccain was out of office" and if you're a repulican and say yes, then doesnt this cancel out your anoying claim that Obama is not qualified enough to run this country??

silly republicans.

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[quote=Cj Tari;642430]

i was listening to allan combs on the radio and he asked a quality question, "do you think this woman would be capable of running this country in case mccain was out of office" and if you're a repulican and say yes, then doesnt this cancel out your anoying claim that Obama is not qualified enough to run this country??

silly republicans.[/quote]

This is really really good point. I dont think she would be able to run this country, and with the fact that McCain wil be 72 at the time his term starts if he is elected makes the chances of this happening greater than they have ever been.

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either way, we are voting for Biden or Palin.

McCain won't live another 4 years... he will either have a heart attack or a stroke... or worse yet, he will get dementia and all of a sudden think nuking russia or china is a good idea.

If Obama wins, some KKK whacko in the midwest will go apeshit and assassinate him.

either way we are fucked.