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[quote=thesightless;642093]I TOLD YOU..... idiocracy is already here.

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ha! I thought about your movie clip when I heard the following today:

"U.S. News and World Report has some [URL="http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/08/29/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-sarah-palin.html"]other fun facts [/URL]about McCain's running mate (including the fact that she refers to her husband, Todd, as Alaska's "[B]First Dude[/B].")"

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[quote=liquidmesa;642427][B]McCain's VP Pick is Insulting[/B] Ok. So, McCain obviously choose his VP running mate Palin because she is a woman and he wants to lure disaffected Clinton supporters.

I find this to be extremely insulting as a woman. Does McCain think that as a woman I am so stupid and ill educated that I would vote for someone simply because she is a woman like me? Give me a break! Her stance on nearly every major issue is the antitheses of the stance that Clinton held. Does he really think that women are not smart enough to look at what matters in a candidate. You know those little things, like what are the planks that hold her platform of ideals together and what is her political record in regards to those issues. No thank you McCain - I am no dummy and nether are my fellow female voters. We can't and we wont be lured by sex alone; substance outranks the fact that she is a woman 10 to 1.

This is nothing more than a cheap parlor trick.[/quote]

I was trying to think of something eloquent to say, however you said it all. Not to sound like some feminist, which I am not. But AMEN sister!!!

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[quote=liquidmesa;642435]This is really really good point. I dont think she would be able to run this country, and with the fact that McCain wil be 72 at the time his term starts if he is elected makes the chances of this happening greater than they have ever been.[/quote]

It is not because she is a woman. But seriously, previous to being governor she was mayor of a town the size of a housing project in Chicago. And we are suppose to believe she could become Commander and Chief. I think the Republicans are dipping into there own stash.

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[quote=Pensacola Emilie;642474]It is not because she is a woman. But seriously, previous to being governor she was mayor of a town the size of a housing project in Chicago. And we are suppose to believe she could become Commander and Chief. I think the Republicans are dipping into there own stash.[/quote]

Exactly! This choice makes no sense! The McCain camp's main attack against Obama is his lack of experience, and then they choose someone with less experience. This country doesnt need the leader of Northern Exposure (haha remember that show).

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[quote=w0e & cri5is;642395]^^^ jah? explain to me ur picture comment then. was it personal or pure cleverness? if the latter, i am verily sorry for the presumptuousness hombre.[/quote]

was this directed towards me?

btw, lol @ women getting their panties bunched up

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[QUOTE=Pensacola Emilie;642471]I was trying to think of something eloquent to say, however you said it all. Not to sound like some feminist, which I am not. But AMEN sister!!![/QUOTE]

I was watching coverage last night and she has a strong conservative background. That said, she will attract a lot of women who are conservatives who share her values.

It is a fact that many women when they get married and have kids change from voting Democrat to voting Republican. I'm sure they'll get some Hillary voters too and part of McCain's strategy, but I do agree that many women will stay on the Democrat side. My point is not to underestimate that many conservative women will come out to vote for her.

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[quote=shosh;642499]was this directed towards me?

btw, lol @ women getting their panties bunched up[/quote]

certainly not directed at u Shosh. it was direct towards that Localizer fella, because he left a comment on one of the pictures in my album that said, "did they call this one circle jerk?" i didn't know if he was being sarcastic and rude or just thoughtful, so i commented back "now that was funny"

lol i'm emotionally detatched and do not care what anyone personally thinks of me so its all chill. but i'm such a demonized drunk sometimes, and thats why i'm banning myself from the computer later today and tommorrow ;)

[IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=67&pictureid=584[/IMG]

still not voting. =D

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So apparently I wasn't way off-base. McCain really [I]is[/I] a reckless fool. I'm glad that apparently anybody with a pulse can become a major leader of this country.

[B][SIZE=3]Scholars question Palin credentials[/SIZE][/B] [URL]http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/13001[/URL]

[quote]Presidential scholars say [B]she appears to be the [U]least experienced[/U], [U]least credentialed[/U] person to join a major-party ticket [U]in the modern era[/U][/B].[/quote]

[quote]“I think she is the most inexperienced person on a major party ticket in modern history,” said presidential historian Matthew Dallek.

“It would be one thing if she had only been governor for a year and a half, but prior to that she had not had major experience in public life,” said Dallek of Palin. “The fact that he would have to go to somebody who is clearly unqualified to be president [B]makes Obama look like an elder statesman[/B].”[/quote]

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[quote=w0e & cri5is;642629]certainly not directed at u Shosh. it was direct towards that Localizer fella, because he left a comment on one of the pictures in my album that said, "did they call this one circle jerk?" i didn't know if he was being sarcastic and rude or just thoughtful, so i commented back "now that was funny"

lol i'm emotionally detatched and do not care what anyone personally thinks of me so its all chill. but i'm such a demonized drunk sometimes, and thats why i'm banning myself from the computer later today and tommorrow ;)

[IMG]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=67&pictureid=584[/IMG]

still not voting. =D[/quote]

ahaha man, my bad. Nah, it was just trying to be clever. I mean seriously, look at it. It looks like a bunch of penises in a circle.

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[quote=shosh;642348]isnt obama proclaiming change? lol come on man!

btw, it makes me laugh listening to you guys talking about her inexperience and what she hasnt done... hello? obama? what has that assclown done? go look at his district in chicago, hasnt done shit.. also talking about her inexperience with foreign policy... same can be said about obama so give me a break

talking about her ethics scandal? hmmm... ayers, rezko, etc.

funny how when people were bringing this shit up about obama, and his family, etc. it was horrible, but now you all do the same about this bitch... oh the hypocrisy

the fact that she is a gun toting, fishing, snowmobiling, mom, etc woman only points to her being just an ordinary person. or is she too ordinary thus taking away from obama's act as the ordinary guy who in fact is anything but ordinary and a snob?

exploitative? give me a break! think of the reasons obama picked biden.[/quote]

you bring up excellent points about obama, and i agree with you on all of them, but that still does not vitiate the total lack of qualifications she has a potential vice president.

A few things to consider about Palin: McCain was campaigning for president before she was even elected governor of that state. They met once, ONCE, before he sulked about having to pick her: I say this because his first choice has and was Lieberman, so there should be no question that McCain was more interested in choosing a person who would help him get elected, not a person who was qualified for the job. And further, that he had to pick such a clearly unqualified person by reason that she would bring him votes he would not have otherwise recieved, is indicative of how desperate he is to win the election as opposed to running the government, which even you must believe he wouldn't do well in: you apparently think that her 1.5 years of 'governorship' is better than obama's term in senate, and by greater reason, you must also thus admit that she has more credentials than mccain. This, i think, should make you question whether her short term of governorship even should be discussed. Add this to the recent list of idiot-presidents who have been governor for greater periods of time, and you pretty much should not even bring up 'experience' agian. of anyone.

point two: with all of this serious lack of experience and her remarks about 'not knowing what a vice president does...can someone explain it to me?'....the fact is, she's a heartbeat away from the most serious job on the planet in the most dire of times, a crossroads between tyranny and rekindling freedom. If Obama dies, Biden would have very little problems getting situated in office, and lacking very little qualities that a president would need. Whether you agree with his politics or not, Biden wouldn't cause panic on the markets or in the people. As far as 'exploitative', Obama at least picked someone who adds to his obvious weaker points; foreign policy. That's not exploitation because it's a very thoughtful pick for a person who's made it a point to be a responsible steward of our nation. Palin, is, actually, in fact, nothing but, exploitative.

If McCain dies, and it's very possible he could (cancer, age, ad nauseum), Palin has NOTHING to bring but fishing, hunting, and raising childen (which also should be noted that she has more time being pregnant than being governor). It would be a disastrous power-vacuum with a woman who is so-outside-the beltway now having to manage it; Being outside the 'beltway' is easy talking points to the simple-minded, but to initiated, presents further practical problems of her as a pick. Simply put, McCain has put this country and the future of our country at great risk because of his desire to win, win, win. I'm wondering why Palin even accepted if she was serious about the future of this country. We don't need ordinary average likable people to run this country. We've had that for the last 15 years. Obama, I would say, is hardly ordinary. I don't even recall anyone saying he was accept for yourself. Palin may have been a journalism major, but she didn't get into an elite law school, grade onto law review (a nearly impossible thing, take my word, and probably moreso given the ranking of his law school...and by the way, grading is anonymous so any comments about affirmative action is unwarranted by reality), and then became editor in chief (which I can't say how this works, but it's not a popularity contest).

Don't delude yourself into thinking that Palin is 'change'. To the contrary, it's politicking at it's finest, so much so, that even you have been duped into thinking a no-name unequipped, inexperienced, decent-looking mother-of-who-cares-how-many-children is a satisfactory and exciting pick for McCain. I've read many of your posts over the last few months, and most of the time you're very reasonable and thoughtful with your comments and conclusions. But this strange support for a woman I would bet you hadn't heard of until last wednesday smacks of everything I thought you weren't.

As a conservative-minded person, I can only ask that you don't fall prey to that which you abhor in Obama.

edit: one more awesome tidbit to digest 72: years that John McCain has been alive 49: years that Alaska has been a state

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oh...and her 17 year-old daughter is preggers![B] :D[/B]

[URL]http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080901/pl_nm/usa_politics_palin_dc[/URL]

Can you imagine if this had happened on the Democratic candidate side? The GOP would have gleefully nailed Biden's ass to the wall for all the "values" stuff...

I think McCain's retardo choice of VP did it for me...Obama, here comes my vote. :lol:

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As more and more stuff comes out about Palin, I just can't for the life of me believe that McCain picked her with his eyes wide open. There was a report on CNN this morning about how as of last Sunday, McCain really wanted to pick Lieberman, but his advisors were directing him to pick someone else, and I gather it got pretty contentious. I don't like Joe Lieberman's position on Iraq, but he would have been unassailable as a VP pick -- FFS, the guy was on the Dem's VP ticket 8 years ago.

Instead, he picks a person he's met once in a social setting and had never discussed the VP slot with her before offering it to her. I've applied for jobs far less important than Vice President that have at least asked me to come back for a [I]second interview [/I]before offering me the job. Moreover, she's got more skeletons in her closet than a biology lab. On the one hand, it's tough to get around the conclusion that she was selected by his staff for political purposes, most likely in a snap decision. You knew she had a pregnant underage daughter and was under investigation for abuse of power, and picked her anyway? Riiiiiiight. :roll: On the other hand, if it were just a political move, you'd think they'd done a better job of making sure there weren't any political downsides to the pick. No matter how you look at it, it's a bizarre pick.

McCain is a "maverick," but he allows his staff to bully him into picking someone he doesn't want to pick, and who probably shouldn't have been picked?

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And for the record, I don't personally begrudge Bristol for getting pregnant at all -- that shit happens, and the fact that she's keeping the baby might even ultimately end up helping her with the evangelicals (although I can't believe McCain knew that and decided to take that risk without doing something to preempt the story coming out second-hand). I don't even think that she or her mother are hypocrites, because I know I didn't always follow my parents wishes, particularly on things that that.

It does, however, underscore how silly and unrealistic the "abstinence only" policy touted by Sarah Palin is in this day and age. That shit just doesn't work. FFS, what else are you going to do in Alaska? One has to wonder if they'd be in this bind if a condom were an acceptable option.

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[quote=toasty;643456] I don't even think that she or her mother are hypocrites, .[/quote]

why isnt Sarah Palin a hypocrite? if she forwards a abstinence only policy - yet clearly it doesn't work for anyone (not just her family) - but she still keeps that policy - isnt that being a hypocrite?

(and yes I agree the 17 year old should be kept out of it)

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[QUOTE=Huggie Smiles;643462]why isnt Sarah Palin a hypocrite? if she forwards a abstinence only policy - yet clearly it doesn't work for anyone (not just her family) - but she still keeps that policy - isnt that being a hypocrite? [/QUOTE]

I think of hypocrisy as saying one thing and doing another. For all I know, she's been entirely consistent about her belief that abstinence only is the best policy, and has taken all reasonable steps to enforce that policy in her home. If her daughter decides to circumvent that policy and have sex anyway, we all know she's going to do it. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I certainly did things my parents didn't want me to do notwithstanding their best efforts. I'm sure we all did.

We all know that "abstinence only" is an absurd and losing policy, and I think any rational person would agree. Sarah Palin's failure to come to grips with that probably leaves her in denial of reality and looking a bit foolish, but as long as she seriously believes it, I don't really see it as an example of hypocrisy. If she was pushing abstinence only while actively encouraging her daughter to get her freak on, that might be a different situation, but that's not what's happening, as far as I know...