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[QUOTE=thesightless;399991]that is the thing, i cant consider a man who did a fantastic job in the private sector that dumb.[/QUOTE] you mean the same Bush who ran a number of companies into the ground so much so that even his daddy's friends got tired of helping him out?

Have fun at meetings...I got my own in a little bit:

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[QUOTE=rubyraks;399986]You can't seriously be trying to compare Kerry's intellect to Bush's? Ineptness, perhaps...[/QUOTE]

No kidding. Kerry may be a lot of things, but the guy ain't dumb. As compared to Bush, though, there's really no comparison. People like Bush because they can relate to him, but for me its a bit frightening to have someone holding the most powerful office in the land that I doesn't have an air of even basic intelligence. Clinton was a slick guy who was always doing what he could to ingratiate himself to the public, but when it came down to brass tacks, the guy was smart as a whip. Bush, on the other hand, I feel like I could beat at Scrabble -- and by the way, that's not intended to be me patting myself on the back.

Bottom line: if Bush came under this type of fire every time he misspoke, he would have been impeached years ago.

Kerry's apologized now. Does that mean this story will die?

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[QUOTE] Kerry's apologized now. Does that mean this story will die?[/QUOTE]

he did not say sorry Toasty. I do not care anyway you spin that, that was not a sorry. Am I crystal clear Toasty?

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[quote=toasty;400015]Kerry may be a lot of things, but the guy ain't dumb.

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He married into the Heinz fortune.

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[QUOTE]He married into the Heinz fortune.[/QUOTE]

I knew I did not like Heinz for a reason. Just too bitter.

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What Kerry said was histarical. It may not be true...but it was funny. Don't be that guy who makes a big deal out of this. Cheers to Kerry.

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Kerry is a clown.

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[QUOTE=asdf_admin;400025]he did not say sorry Toasty. I do not care anyway you spin that, that was not a sorry. Am I crystal clear Toasty?[/QUOTE]

OK, looked back at the actual transcript rather than just reading the story about it, and you're right, that's a pretty weak sorry. I do think it's clear that he didn't mean it the way that it came out, though.

Again though, to underscore my main point, anyone that is getting fired up over anything John Kerry has to say at this point is really grasping at straws IMO -- especially since it should be obvious that his statement did not come out as intended. Whether or not you think it was actually intended to be a joke is one thing -- because I personally think that explanation is pretty thin -- but I don't think anyone could seriously think that he meant it in the mean-spirited way it came out.

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o agree with that point Toasty. When you speak in public, you really have to watch what you say.

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[QUOTE=toasty;400074]but I don't think anyone could seriously think that he meant it in the mean-spirited way it came out.[/QUOTE] I agree with pretty much everything you said, but this one point...do you really believe that even after everything you've seen this American public believe?

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the damage is done. for people who lost family members in this Iraqi war ... you can not turn the clocks back and re-state what he said. he all ready has been asked by a few of his own party members not to join. so ... Kerry should learn a thing or two. keep your bush hating down, or at least make it more direct.

now they do what we call "damage control"

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[QUOTE=rubyraks;400094]I agree with pretty much everything you said, but this one point...do you really believe that even after everything you've seen this American public believe?[/QUOTE]

OK, maybe [B]anyone[/B] is a bit strong. Should have said "no rational person," so that would exclude the 30-some-odd-percent that still think Bush is doing a bang-up job... ;)

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[quote=toasty;400101]OK, maybe [B]anyone[/B] is a bit strong. Should have said "no rational person," so that would exclude the 30-some-odd-percent that still think Bush is doing a bang-up job... ;)[/quote]

Is it that much?

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this is all a stupid sideshow....the most glaring aspect of this is that we are one week away from an election where the dems are poised for big gains.
and what goes the W. do in this crunch time? shit on kerry.....shitting on him for words he said to troops. troops who he can relate to because he served as they do. and all of these armchair generals and phoney tought guys pick on a real hero.

the writing's on the wall. these people in the white house are done. how do u spell lame duck ?

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Definately lame duck but they will still go down spending every dollar they can get there hands on and then some.

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OK, Kerry has come back with an [B]actual[/B] apology:

[QUOTE]"I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative about those in uniform and I personally apologize to any service member, family member or American who was offended," Kerry said in a statement.[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20061101/pl_nm/usa_elections_kerry_dc_7"]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20061101/pl_nm/usa_elections_kerry_dc_7[/URL]

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That's about the lyrical equivalent of the Pope's apology to muslims over his words, ie. I don't apologize for what I said, just for how the words were understood. Kudos :Bingo:

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God this is retarded.

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[QUOTE=Lorn;400131]God this is retarded.[/QUOTE]

:Bingo: +10, if I had any to give...

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[SIZE=7][COLOR=Red]I LOVE[/COLOR] [COLOR=White]YOU[/COLOR] [COLOR=Blue]AMERICA[/COLOR][/SIZE]

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The comments made by Kerry were inappropriate and had bad timing. Most Americans are upset that troops and family members are getting killed and injured over in Iraq. And Kerry comes along and makes the troops and their families feel like low class citizens. No one likes to be spoken down to and made to feel inferior.

The problem with Kerry is that he's an unintelligent, arrogant, liberal elitist. Yes, he's not that intelligent. As a matter of fact, George W. Bush actually had higher grades than Kerry did back at Yale or Harvard(I can't remember which). I know that higher grades don't make someone smarter than another, but I don't think we can say Kerry is a genius either. And if he was really that smart, then he wouldn't have made such a comment.

Kerry is so self righteous that he can't even admit he's truly sorry for what he said. A very telling sign of a arrogant elitist.

Even more disheartening is looking back at 2004, we had a choice of dumb and dumber.

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This is nothing but bullshit on the side. Great timing for Bush though: excellent diversion for the shit that is happening in Iraq.

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:Bingo: Bingo

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[quote=KinKyJ;400402]This is nothing but bullshit on the side. Great timing for Bush though: excellent diversion for the shit that is happening in Iraq.[/quote]

Exactly. Maybe Kerry is secretly working for the Republicans, because he's really doing everything he can to help them out!!! :D

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[quote=Miroslav;400459]Exactly. Maybe Kerry is secretly working for the Republicans, because he's really doing everything he can to help them out!!! :D[/quote]Hahahaha, spot on!

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one thing that is not being spoken about in the meida echochamber is the context of the joke. pretty much, here is what he said:

'the president used to live in the state of texas, and now he lives in a state of denial. if you study hard and learn about the world, then you will go places.....if you don't, then you get stuck in iraq.'

he is clearly referencing the president here. clearly. and he is being sandbagged. i mean, do these idiots really think that a decorated f*cking war hero would talk shit about troops in front of a crowd of troops??? it's absurd. and now they have mccain making the network hop, talking shit about his old friend kerry.

the GOP has fallen deeper into the depths of desperation and manipulation with this one. shame.

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[quote=henz;400504] A>he is clearly referencing the president here. clearly. and he is being sandbagged. i mean, do these idiots really think that a decorated f*cking war hero would talk shit about troops in front of a crowd of troops??? it's absurd. and now they have mccain making the network hop, talking shit about his old friend kerry.

B>the GOP has fallen deeper into the depths of desperation and manipulation with this one. shame.[/quote]

a. he has been doing it for 35 years. he is a disgrace. he consistently has bad mouthed the military since he realized he could be hanoi john for publicity. b. GOP really hasnt gone off. look. they said he should apologize, along with half of his own party. he didnt.

they are all cunts.(im in a bad mood today, politics should be fun this afternoon)

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hey, remember foley and Iraq?! ;)

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i just don't agree. he came back from vietnam, with his mind set on bringing his comrades home...and spoke of ACTS that were a part of the way the war was being conducted....not on the TROOPS themselves.

i mean, have you ever actually watched the testimony he gave in front of congress???

i don't blame the soldiers at abu grhaib wholly for the torture scandal. i blame the powers that be that sanctioned those acts. the same applies to the kerry testimony in the 70s.

kerry is a decorated war hero. he saved people's lives in the heat of battle. and his heroism has been the constant target of attacks from people going so far as to question how serious his war wounds were. disgusting. and his biggest critics??? armchair generals....cheneys, who got several deferrments from service (he had 'other priorities' according to his files), bush, who did not show up for a cushy air national guard assignment.

THAT is the real slap in the face to our soldiers. incompetents with no record of service who take distinguished vets at the knees (cleland, kerry, jim webb, and the rest) and making the decision to send those who do serve to a war based on deception.

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[quote=rubyraks;400522]hey, remember foley and Iraq?! ;)[/quote]

you know me, so read the whole sentance.

foley shouldnt even be an issue. he should be in prison NOW. im still wondering why a child predator was given rehab and pointed fingers at a preist. ok, you had your issues when you were young, but that is no excuse for being a pedophile. someone grab his ass out of rehab and put him in san quentin and the story would be over. his crime had nothign to do with policy, but more with a few people who should be in jail for covering a crime up..;......

who can forget about iraq... every asshole on the planet keep ''reminding us'' about it. im not for running away, we cuased it, but shit, they really arent worth it.... border fence.

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[quote=henz;400528]i just don't agree. he came back from vietnam, with his mind set on bringing his comrades home...and spoke of ACTS that were a part of the way the war was being conducted....not on the TROOPS themselves.

i mean, have you ever actually watched the testimony he gave in front of congress???

i don't blame the soldiers at abu grhaib wholly for the torture scandal. i blame the powers that be that sanctioned those acts. the same applies to the kerry testimony in the 70s.

kerry is a decorated war hero. he saved people's lives in the heat of battle. and his heroism has been the constant target of attacks from people going so far as to question how serious his war wounds were. disgusting. and his biggest critics??? armchair generals....cheneys, who got several deferrments from service (he had 'other priorities' according to his files), bush, who did not show up for a cushy air national guard assignment.

THAT is the real slap in the face to our soldiers. incompetents with no record of service who take distinguished vets at the knees (cleland, kerry, jim webb, and the rest) and making the decision to send those who do serve to a war based on deception.[/quote] '

we differ,. i wont budge on the fact he is a disgrace to the uniform, the government and evry intelligent person here, as much as GW's buddies are. im not deffering any blame from the admin's actions, but this guy needs to be hit in the head with a hard blunt object.

edit here.

anyone who actually beleive this is a misinterpreted joke is just as stupid as this colon tumor and the jackasses in charge. it wasnt. he lost and the party has been using him and a few others who dont stand a national chance in hell at ever runnign again to coerce america and for that matter, other countries into despising evrything about this war, from GW to the poor soldier feuling helicopters. if you havent noticed, then dont vote next time, because you are clearly too stupid to be responsible enough to finally elect someone with integrity.... this was another attack on everything iraq, and was intended to drum up furor. by implicating that anything with the war is stupid he hopes to get more support for the democrats, when in fact about 80% of the republican base hates the war.....

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Kerry's service record in Vietnam is debatable. Regardless and more importantly, today he is not respected by the military for the comments he's made over the years. Even if Kerry was a Vietnam hero, he isn't the same person today.

As for the politics, the Republicans are running with it all the way to Tuesday. I'm actually glad we probably won't hear about this any more after next week. The story is now overblown and overexposed. His arrogance and disdain for the military aren't news items because we already knew that about him.

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[quote=superdave;400553]Kerry's service record in Vietnam is debatable. Regardless and more importantly, today he is not respected by the military for the comments he's made over the years. Even if Kerry was a Vietnam hero, he isn't the same person today.

As for the politics, the Republicans are running with it all the way to Tuesday. I'm actually glad we probably won't hear about this any more after next week. The story is now overblown and overexposed. His arrogance and disdain for the military aren't news items because we already knew that about him.[/quote]

Exactly right. Kerry is the definition of opportunist - when his "service record" suits his needs, he's saluting the flag and reporting for duty. When it gets in the way of his quest to take down those he despises, he's tossing his medals into the fire (but not before he makes sure a nice crowd has gathered to watch).

I think it was Toasty who pointed out earlier in this thread that Kerry is pretty much a political non-entity at this point, and I'd have to agree. He's rivaled Al Gore in post-loss meltdown and is nothing more than a talking head for the Dems - whether they want that or not. So the issue therefore is not about Kerry's political future, but the effect its had on the days leading up to the elections.

Every democratic candidate is being forced to comment on Kerry's dumbass quote [I]instead [/I]of talking about their platform in these final few days. A combination of John's ineptitude and Republican spin has made this an issue for every single Dem in the running. Rule #1 in running a campaign: Make sure your ideas are known, especially right before the folks cast their ballot. Thanks to Kerry, Dems have to answer questions about something [I]other [/I]than their ideas and that hurts their ability to drive their main points home in these last few days. And the GOP and their side of the media will do their best to keep the gas pumping on this story right up until Tuesday.

Will that end up making a difference by this time next week? We'll know soon enough. Either way, just chalk this up as another non-story becoming earth-shattering news in the eyes of America's media mess.

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nice post btw. it is funny how the liberal media is attacking their own. i guess a top story is truly a top story. nice to see actually. usually there is a large slant difference between the neo-cons and liberal commies.

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Kerry may have been taken out of context. He may genuinely like the troops. He may have been very honorable in uniform.

He still said something which is painstakingly obvious in its stupidity, particularly coming from a politician. This stuff matters in politics.

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surely does. very important in public speaking. i think it goes back 101. Make sure what you say is clear and understood. He actually did both of thoses, but forgot the whole thinking process and that it is voting season.

chump.

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This is just typical of America thinking too deep into the situation. No room for error for dems, but tons of room for republicans. Now let's all go put the dinner on our families.

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You know I was thinking about this controversy last night and it suddenly occured to me just how much BS it really is.

Essentially the controversy has boiled down to: Kerry should have known better that his remarks would've been taken out of context and therefore he should've been more aware of particular soundbites he's putting out there. The pathetic part is that the democrats are berating him all the same as the republicans.

Yet again, let's discuss who's saying it and how, rather than what they actually are saying...for shame :(

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but that's the thing,they werent out of context, they were yet another part of a systematic behaviour he exhibits in being an oppurtunistic gaff. if they stopped making him a poster boy for the party, views would be different, but hte party openly encourages him and places him in vital gov't roles.

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at least the troops have a sense o' humor :)

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