check out msnbc.com for the tape of him on IMUS this morning, refusing to apologize and saying it was a joke.........all the while, trying to deflect his words at the admin......

this guy makes the current admin look like einstein.. can he just be sent to the space station until he expires.? please? im sure if we let the ppl vote, he would be sent there.

SHUT THE FUCK UP JOHN KERRY.;)

here is a joke, your wife looks like phillip seymour hoffman and you resemble a dick tracey villian.

edit:: if he wants us to think this was a joke, and he isnt some liberal elitist, then he should say that trent lott's asinine comment on thurmond was a joke...

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I have a real hard time believing that he would actually shit on the troops in such a public way, but I have absolutly no problem believing he would make a fuck up like this. Seriously - bad joke, slip of the tounge whatever - how the [I]hell [/I]can you think something like this would slide by? The best thing to do would for him to be contrite, apologize and say, "My bad, I'm an idiot" - but showing the true lack of common sense that has been a hallmark of the donkeys during election time, he acts like a spoiled little kid and says "They do it too!"

[SIZE=2]What's funny is that this is [I]exactly [/I]what the democrats didn't want to happen. Did you see how states are asking Kerry to cancel his appearances at Dem rallies? Classic. They were crusing along, using the old gameplan of "if your enemies are destroying themselves, stay out of their way" And good ol' John, reporting for duty, steps up and takes a huge steaming dump on all of them. I have a feeling we won't be seeing any Kerry in '08 bumper stickers after this one.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=2]I made it a point to watch the prime-time fools Keith Olberman and Bill O last night to catch their take. Predictably Olberman followed Kerry's lead and blamed the GOP for spinning the story, but Bill actually sounded a little intelligent on the matter. He said he doesn't believe Kerry was knocking the troops, but just can't speak for shit and tripped over his own feet.... again.[/SIZE]

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He botched this up real bad. He is now being asked to NOT show up at further campaign stops.

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the dumbest thing you can say. what an idiot. his excuse was even more stupid.

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At the worst possible time too.

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[quote=BSully828;399818]I have a real hard time believing that he would actually shit on the troops in such a public way,[SIZE=2].[/SIZE][/quote]

no offense, you havent been paying attention. he has been doing it since he got back from vietnam....

it is a systematic pqattern of behaviour as shrinks and sociologists would say. this isnt something new. just go read up on his post war actions of accusing fellow soldiers of everything under the sun.

its shit like this why i stand behind my statement of as bad as we are right now, if we actually elected him, it would be worse.

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[quote=thesightless;399827]no offense, you havent been paying attention. he has been doing it since he got back from vietnam....[/quote]

You do have a point, and living next to MA I have seen his comments in the past (Didn't he once say that US troops were tearing through villages like "Jeng-is" Khan?) I just can't fathom that idea that he would purposefully trash the troops a week before the elections, when the perception that the Dems are weak on defense is the whole image they're trying to change.

I'm just stunned that he would actually think that people would take those comments as a dig on the President and not on the troops. Can anyone honestly say that, upon hearing that clip for the first time, they took it as a joke on Bush?

:BangHead:

I will say that the IMUS interview this morning was pretty funny. At the end when Don was saying, "Please, I'm beggin you John - just stop talking... please.. I'm beggin you... just stop..." and Kerry kept on rambling in the background, high comedy.

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as public speaker ... you just do not say stuff like that. not even close. he said it, and o boy how he said it.

that was a direct punch towards the military, not Bush. Kerry ... is that CRYSTAL CLEAR?

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word up on the funny. TBS told me i could laugh.

if you take an interest in our government, and are tired of the bullshit, you shuold watch or listen to imus. he is gold. he keeps it light and funny, but covers all the rgound in a serious manner, and wont allow them to give the proto typical bullshit speeches. as evidenced by ''shut up john, please shut up", but i give him credit, he had kerry on at 730, and rick santorum on at 930.. gotta like that.

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Although being in the military certainly doesn't mean you're dumb -- I come from a military family myself -- the reality is that the guys that are on the front lines are often guys who didn't get a great education and don't have a lot of options. I spent my first two years of high school in a great suburban high school in Washington State, and my last two years in an inner city school in KC, MO. You can't seriously compare the level of education at the two schools, and I'll give you one guess as to which one was more heavily recruited, by a landslide. On ROTC days, you'd think you were in boot camp.

The point is, I get the point he was trying to make. He just made it really poorly. Kerry is an out-of-touch elitist, this just in. Luckily for him, he's not running for anything. Frankly, if anyone was relying on Kerry to campaign on their behalf, they're probably screwed anyway. I actively campaigned for that clown, literally walking door to door, and every time I see him or receive one of the every-other-day emails from him that I'm evidently doomed to receive for the rest of my life, I just cringe. If there's anything his loss to Bush showed us, people don't care much for John Kerry enough to reelect a guy like Bush, so I doubt that anything he says will carry too much weight, good or bad. He's just a non-factor.

We'll see though. Who knows.

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he is, quite possibly, the worlds dumbest person in power. he actually makes the hamas press secretary look like an MIT grad.

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oh, on a side note, i had drinks with the NY libertarian candidate for attorney general last night, and man........ not electing him is only going to do NY a giant injustice.... its a shame..... also, being halloween, he was dressed in full 1776 outfit. hat and gun, and oh yeah, stockings....... he was carrying a copy of the dec. of independence.

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Here's what I find interesting about this story, Kerry actually had a point that while we continue to fight this war in Iraq, we keep lowering further and further down the requirements to be a soldier (but if you're gay, you're still out :roll: ). Is there a law of dimishing returns to this policy? Would we not eventually reach a point where we're doing more harm than help to the war by lowering these requirements? Could they not be part of the reason for the Abu Ghraib disaster?

So I ask, where he truly has a point to make, how could he make it without offending the troops? This unfortunately is an issue that really does need to be discussed in this country, but any mention of it brings the usual backlash of claims that saying such things is not supporting the troops or at least insulting to them.

Is it fair that we've created a class of soldiers who would be defined by all other educational evaluations as mentally handicapped (or whatever the hell the politically correct way of saying retarded is today :roll: )?

These soldiers are not up to par, by no fault of their own, and all too often becoming a soldier nowadays is a way they could better find themselves as being a service to society (cause truthfully, not many others would give them a chance). Does that make any sense or is that fair in any respect? These are the people we should be protecting cause they can't protect themselves, at least not as well as many of us could protect ourselves, yet we throw them into the most life-threatening situations. Pathetic :(

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you need to talk to my brother..... he would have quite a bit to say about this, being in west point with honors.... all feild operations soldiers are extremely skilled and educated in particular feilds. the less educated individuals tend to be more geared towards operation engineers and mechanincs..

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just thought this.....

sadly this shows how out of base the democratic party is regarding the normal american , they arent here trying to win for us, they want to win for them, much like how they criticize the current group of special ed students living in DC.... they have been fighting tooth and nail for every special interest group and minority voter under the guise of being for the people, when in fact they dont have a clue on the people's values or needs, just what can we do to gain more votes....simply put, they no longer repsect the middle class, somewhat well to do, educated american..

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[quote=thesightless;399860]oh, on a side note, i had drinks with the NY libertarian candidate for attorney general last night, and man........ not electing him is only going to do NY a giant injustice.... its a shame..... also, being halloween, he was dressed in full 1776 outfit. hat and gun, and oh yeah, stockings....... he was carrying a copy of the dec. of independence.[/quote]

Cool bro. Anything of interest to note about the discussion?

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[QUOTE=thesightless;399884]you need to talk to my brother..... he would have quite a bit to say about this, being in west point with honors.... all feild operations soldiers are extremely skilled and educated in particular feilds. the less educated individuals tend to be more geared towards operation engineers and mechanincs..[/QUOTE] So you really expect to believe that only the intelligent ones are serving on the front lines? I'm sure they're led by intelligent people though.

How about the girl who was photographed, arrested and jailed for her participation in the Abu Ghraib prison, but was diagnosed as mentally handicapped? If that's the kind of back-office jobs they give the "less educated", do you really think that's helpful?

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[QUOTE=thesightless;399885]just thought this.....

sadly this shows how out of base the democratic party is regarding the normal american , they arent here trying to win for us, they want to win for them, much like how they criticize the current group of special ed students living in DC.... they have been fighting tooth and nail for every special interest group and minority voter under the guise of being for the people, when in fact they dont have a clue on the people's values or needs, just what can we do to gain more votes....simply put, they no longer repsect the middle class, somewhat well to do, educated american..[/QUOTE] and the Republicans are actually better at this? They managed to hold together a diverse group of interests for only so long, what we're seeing now is the fallout when you can't really appease all the groups.

That's politics in general here in this country. It's cyclical. Get people to think you're better and keep voting for you and then eventually they realize you're just not and the tide switches to the other political party so we could do it all over again. Unfortunately, at the moment, no one's stepped up. :roll:

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I think one answer to all these problems is making it LAW that citizens MUST vote. Or at least show up at the voting poll. We currently see less then 50% voter turn out. I bet the libertarian and independant candidates would win hands down if we had 100% voter turnout.

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[IMG]http://drudgereport.com/irak.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote=rubyraks;399899]and the Republicans are actually better at this? They managed to hold together a diverse group of interests for only so long, what we're seeing now is the fallout when you can't really appease all the groups.

That's politics in general here in this country. It's cyclical. Get people to think you're better and keep voting for you and then eventually they realize you're just not and the tide switches to the other political party so we could do it all over again. Unfortunately, at the moment, no one's stepped up. :roll:[/quote]

which is why i wrote ''the special ed students living in DC";)

and actually, the repub are better at courting the normal middle income american...most of them share common ideas, not execution, with the party's long term goals. but the repubs say fuck off to the specail money too much to stand a long term chance at this rate.

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[FONT=Arial]The thing here is that what Kerry said was totally right. If you grow up going to the level of public schools we currently have in this country then you really have few options: Sports, Army, Crime and or welfare. I said this on Monday night to my roommate and girlfriend and they agreed and then the next day, when I read this I was like-fuck thank god someone said this finally. It’s a good thing that I’m not a politician because clearly coming right out and saying this doesn’t go over well but the fact is, while we spend more and more money in Iraq on a USELESS we’re letting our schools and other publicly funded programs fall apart. As the schools fall apart, so do the arts and so do any real ways out of the ghettos. We also are increasingly giving tax breaks to BIG BUSINESS that outsources all of the labor (another former possibility for undereducated people) and we now are just a nation of consumers. The fact is, you do wind up in [/FONT][FONT=Arial]Iraq[/FONT][FONT=Arial] if you’re a good (albeit undereducated) person from low income areas of the country with ASS schools. And Sean, it’s complete bollocks to say that it’s the highly trained people on the ground-it’s not. The infantry is always the worst of the lot, they’re just bodies to push through until the really skilled people can get into place. [/FONT]

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heh...

John Kerry...demonstrating once more when he wasn't elected president! Let's give him a hand!!!

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you all need to look up what really happens in the military, i know firsthand. the ''gunners'' might not be the high IQ folks on the think tank side, but they are all schooled heavily in a certain area. the dumbshits get back line jobs like prison gurads.. im not getting in this, but you guys need to go ask an actual serviceman, instead of us here.

first step, research what an MOS number is.

most frontline infantry are educated in geography, biology, and engineering.

Fish, you are way off on what ya said.

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Why didn't you sign up for the army Sean?

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im ineligible.(elbow replacement)

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[QUOTE=alexfish333;399927][FONT=Arial]It?s a good thing that I?m not a politician because clearly coming right out and saying this doesn?t go over[/QUOTE] :CrackUp: hehe, Alex a politician...I could just see it now, you'd be booted out of elections faster than Howard Dean in Iowa ;)

Not to ridicule what you said, cause I agree with most of it. We could keep talking about this and that, but at the end of the day our educational system sucks and this discussion just further proves it. We don't educate our children and they grow up dumb, then they join the army "to do something important" and then actually get a good education on how to fight the war, hence they're properly trained. It's a catch-22.

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[QUOTE=thesightless;399951]im ineligible.(elbow replacement)[/QUOTE] I'm guessing from some brawl when you were younger or over-masturbation? ;)

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ben, you are denying what the military does teach. it is so much more than ''war'' every person there who doesnt opt to be a life long feild commander, gets a strong dose of either learning a trade in and out, or a strong study in a variaty of feilds, from international law, all the way to forensics....

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[quote=rubyraks;399957]I'm guessing from some brawl when you were younger or over-masturbation? ;)[/quote] funny wiseass. its from a repeat breaking from sports, first soccer, then twice in aikido. the humerous was shattered beyond repair the third time around. the whole growth plate was unrepairable.

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this is all outside the point that kerry is a complete fucking asshat who seems to be unaware what sounds his mouth is producing.

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there is a ton of education that military personnel get, but that usually is reserved for officers...and using West Point, one of the finest educational (and best military) institutions in the country, as a starting point is a bit over the top. The education that regular infantry men get is a bit different. You can't tell me the education that they get is the same, especially if they were mentally handicapped to begin with. They may get specialized training, so when they fight they're capable, but that doesn't make them educated, just disciplined...there's a difference.

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[QUOTE=thesightless;399968]this is all outside the point that bush is a complete fucking asshat who seems to be unaware what sounds his mouth is producing.[/QUOTE] :CrackUp:

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oops. missed this on the second page. still good though. [QUOTE][IMG]http://drudgereport.com/irak.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

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no, bush knows what he is saying, but doesnt know why.

edit:: reason:: evidenced by his backing of the same stupid topic time after time. kerry seems to forget what he said 3 hours ago.

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[QUOTE=asdf_admin;399977][IMG]http://drudgereport.com/irak.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] the pic was already posted on the last page...too slow :roll:

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[quote=rubyraks;399973]there is a ton of education that military personnel get, but that usually is reserved for officers...and using West Point, one of the finest educational (and best military) institutions in the country, as a starting point is a bit over the top. The education that regular infantry men get is a bit different. You can't tell me the education that they get is the same, especially if they were mentally handicapped to begin with. They may get specialized training, so when they fight they're capable, but that doesn't make them educated, just disciplined...there's a difference.[/quote]

the point here, is 'motivation', providing you show the basic intelligence to handle the feild, the army will not turn any enlisted soldier from a feild, outside of law and intelligence. if you want it, you can get the best training out there.

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[QUOTE=thesightless;399978]no, bush knows what he is saying, but doesnt know why.[/QUOTE] and Kerry didn't know what he was saying? I believe he did, just didn't realize that it would be twisted into the usual you don't support our troops BS.

You can't seriously be trying to compare Kerry's intellect to Bush's? Ineptness, perhaps...

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that is the thing, i cant consider a man who did a fantastic job in the private sector that dumb. [U]inept in managing a government and dealing with opposition, YUP>,[/U]

but kerry is just as dumb as bush, shit he lost to the guy in an election where pokey from gumby could have taken more votes.

afternoon meetings time. cya cats later.

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[QUOTE=thesightless;399980]the point here, is 'motivation', providing you show the basic intelligence to handle the feild, the army will not turn any enlisted soldier from a feild, outside of law and intelligence. if you want it, you can get the best training out there.[/QUOTE] but presumed in that statement is that you have the ability to want it.

Also, you say the army will turn down for intelligence, but doesn't the lowering of standards over the last few years as compared to all the many years before that with higher satndards show there's something wrong or are you actually suggesting that our standards were too high for too long and they're finally starting to realize that now and lower the standards? Doesn't the fact that these standards were lowered over a number of different steps suggest that there may be other reasons for lowering them?