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[QUOTE=ddr;1232185]even the Attorney General Barr (staunch Republican and Trump loyalist), even noted there is no evidence of widespread fraud[/QUOTE]

I'm not convinced Barr thinks that but I'm ready to stand corrected.

[QUOTE=ddr;1232185] i am not admitting there was fraud BUT if there was, why is the only discussion of it pertaining to only the presidential election? if that is fraudulent, then that makes House votes fraudulent, Republican control of the Senate fraudulent. does it not?[/QUOTE]

You don't have to admit it, it's fact, the fraud is there and everyone knows it. You just have to get past the same old bullshit on the mainstream media to see it. Most don't though. When you're up one state by 700k with almost 70% of the votes in and the Democrats decide to stop counting and send everyone home. Only to wake up in the morning and that lead has vanished. I mean, come on, that doesn't happen, Yet it did...how? They were calling states for Biden with less than that.

If it's proven there isn't enough fraud to swing the election then fair enough, I will certainly sleep at night either way. I still think the big tech and media over there are an absolute disgrace to your country. The way they have treated your president, first lady and many of your citizens is appalling. You have heads of other countries who are allowed to post on Twitter and Facebook calling for the actual heads of other countries but as soon as you question the legitimacy of the election or anything about the Biden laptop you are banned. Odd that isn't it?

January 6th is going to be a very interesting day by all accounts.

Oh, did you see who won the most admired person according to Gallup? (As far as Americans are concerned)

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I have a client whose husband ran for local office here in Florida. The opposing candidate is worth nearly 1/2 a billion. The opposing candidate has ties to Roger Stone (who has ties to Trump of course). The level to which the opposing candidate went to smear my friends husbands reputation is beyond reproach as a human. I can't go into specifics on a message board, but knowing what I know. The people who are a part of the Trump system, are not only untrustworthy, they are criminal. As Shakespeare once said in Hamlet - "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Or in this case "the man."

MJ - you can continue to believe what Donald Trump tells you to believe all you want my friend.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1232318]I have a client whose husband ran for local office here in Florida. The opposing candidate is worth nearly 1/2 a billion. The opposing candidate has ties to Roger Stone (who has ties to Trump of course). The level to which the opposing candidate went to smear my friends husbands reputation is beyond reproach as a human. I can't go into specifics on a message board, but knowing what I know. The people who are a part of the Trump system, are not only untrustworthy, they are criminal. As Shakespeare once said in Hamlet - "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Or in this case "the man."[/QUOTE]

A bit like they did to Trump with the Russian and Ukrainian hoax? They are all at it, it's what politicians do and why I dislike them so much. I'm sure your client's husband will get over it, they have very thick skin do politicians.

[QUOTE=floridaorange;1232318]MJ - you can continue to believe what Donald Trump tells you to believe all you want my friend.[/QUOTE]

:D I don't listen to Trump, I do all my own digging. I've watched all the hearings since the election and some of the evidence put forward is undeniable. Have you seen it? Did you watch any? Are you only listening to Trump?

Answer me one question. How can a man smashing the popular vote record to smithereens yet get only a few hundred to any of his (few) campaign rallies? Or a couple of thousand watch his Christmas message? Anyone would think he's the most admired man in the world.. except he isn't. You'd think the US would be hanging on his every word. I'm not seeing that, are you?

Florida, I'm sorry but none of it stacks up.

(I do enjoy a good debate by the way) :D

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Whatever happened to the Biden laptop story? There was some pretty damning information on it yet the media has brushed it under the carpet, why? Honestly, why? Why would you not want to know the potential leader of your country is, allegedly, receiving money from his son who in turn is receiving it from sources abroad? Don't you think you have a right to know that? Why has it been covered up? Do you even know about it?

From what I have seen and heard in the last month it's like watching a real-life Jason Bourne movie. If it all turns out to be true then it's going to blow peoples minds. If not, then I'll crawl back under my little rock in the UK :D

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Why did congress only offer you a $600 payment in the stimulus bill? Why did it take Trump to say that is not enough? Why did congress want to send billions overseas when it is you and everyone else that needs that money during this emergency? The guy that many hate is trying to get you $2000 while the people that are bankrupting your business with the shutdown are telling you to take $600 so they can fund other countries.

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[QUOTE=MJ;1232329]A bit like they did to Trump with the Russian and Ukrainian hoax? They are all at it, it's what politicians do and why I dislike them so much. I'm sure your client's husband will get over it, they have very thick skin do politicians.

:D I don't listen to Trump, I do all my own digging. I've watched all the hearings since the election and some of the evidence put forward is undeniable. Have you seen it? Did you watch any? Are you only listening to Trump?

Answer me one question. How can a man smashing the popular vote record to smithereens yet get only a few hundred to any of his (few) campaign rallies? Or a couple of thousand watch his Christmas message? Anyone would think he's the most admired man in the world.. except he isn't. You'd think the US would be hanging on his every word. I'm not seeing that, are you?

Florida, I'm sorry but none of it stacks up.

(I do enjoy a good debate by the way) :D[/QUOTE]

My friends husband is a school teacher who is also an accountant who wanted to serve his community - you clearly have zero personal experience with civil servants. You clearly have loads of experience with toxic talking points. “They are all the same” “they are all slimy.”. Give me a break dude, many are merely human beings looking to improve the only system we have. I’m talking local level politics here. And after being framed as the most despicable kind of human possible and being stalked, it’s gonna take many yrs and lots of litigation. Fortunately my cousin has a law firm and can help should their current lawyer decide not to fight.

Good luck with your truth or trolling or whatever you’re on about - fortunately hindsight will soon be 2020 for the Trump era.

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[QUOTE=MJ;1232331]Why did congress only offer you a $600 payment in the stimulus bill? Why did it take Trump to say that is not enough? Why did congress want to send billions overseas when it is you and everyone else that needs that money during this emergency? The guy that many hate is trying to get you $2000 while the people that are bankrupting your business with the shutdown are telling you to take $600 so they can fund other countries.[/QUOTE]

Making sense of the senseless? Not going to go down that road with you.

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[QUOTE=MJ;1232330]Whatever happened to the Biden laptop story? There was some pretty damning information on it yet the media has brushed it under the carpet, why? Honestly, why? Why would you not want to know the potential leader of your country is, allegedly, receiving money from his son who in turn is receiving it from sources abroad? Don't you think you have a right to know that? Why has it been covered up? Do you even know about it?

From what I have seen and heard in the last month it's like watching a real-life Jason Bourne movie. If it all turns out to be true then it's going to blow peoples minds. If not, then I'll crawl back under my little rock in the UK :D[/QUOTE]

no :Howdy:

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Our country is done with the gaslighting though - you are free to go down the Trump rabbit hole all you like. Thankfully his ass is out. Thankfully he is no longer welcome in Washington.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1232335]Our country is done with the gaslighting though - you are free to go down the Trump rabbit hole all you like. Thankfully his ass is out. Thankfully he is no longer welcome in Washington.[/QUOTE]

Hear, hear !!!

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1232332]My friends husband is a school teacher who is also an accountant who wanted to serve his community - you clearly have zero personal experience with civil servants. You clearly have loads of experience with toxic talking points. “They are all the same” “they are all slimy.”. Give me a break dude, many are merely human beings looking to improve the only system we have. I’m talking local level politics here. And after being framed as the most despicable kind of human possible and being stalked, it’s gonna take many yrs and lots of litigation. Fortunately my cousin has a law firm and can help should their current lawyer decide not to fight.

Good luck with your truth or trolling or whatever you’re on about - fortunately hindsight will soon be 2020 for the Trump era.[/QUOTE]

Although I'm married to a civil servant I'm not sure me having any personal interest in one has anything to do with what is going on. Maybe my statement "They are all at it" was painted with a very broad brush. Clearly, they are not all at it so I will retract that. Many are though, I'm sure we can agree on that.

The points I raised were legitimate, not toxic. These things are going on but no one wants to debate them, not even the media. So my question is and always will be, why? I have asked several times in this thread if anyone has looked at any of the evidence but no one had said yes or no. I'll take it you haven't so the debate pretty much ends there.

Good luck.

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I have a neighbor, great guy, veteran, 60's, loves to fish. We go fishing together once every blue moon. He also believes most of what Alex Jones says is gospel. Sandy Hook was a hoax, Biden is a pedo, and on and on and on. I am not interested in debating this topic with him, or with you, because it's literally impossible to prove. At the end of the day you buy into the system and have faith in it, or you don't. Trump was elected once, which for so many reasons was amazing to most level headed American's. But we went along with it. Debating that Trump is a liar or a scumbag is like debating the earth is flat. I hope you find someone on this board with more energy to put into a lively debate with you, because I do think you mean well.

ZERO credible sources have stated that he lost due to voter fraud.

The great news is Trumpism, birtherism, the man behind the central park five, the father in law to Jared Kushner the slumloard who's dad was arrested for framing his own brother with a prostitute. The rapists and drug dealers and "good people on both sides" those folks Are no longer in power. It's just too bad Kim Kardashian is still famous.

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Where you getting your news Mikey? That stuff about PA vote count is just not true. See this link.

[url]https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9787630390?fbclid=IwAR0Ai01_WNTZn-CIXQFJHNvp0r2-Kvvr1ERyMHZcXfFfgHvWfDQNVOcVI0I[/url]

This entire charade is completely ONE man's undoing. Even McConnell, who is a CANCER for the American Public, has acknowledged Biden's win. EVERY SINGLE TRUMP APPOINTEE has confirmed this was the most secure election in US history. I don't know why you believe the shit that comes out of this mongrel's mouth.

[QUOTE=MJ;1232143]One man? You have to be kidding me?

Pennsylvania sent out 1.8m mail in ballots but counted 2.5m mail in ballots. Of those there were thousands that were counted the day after they were sent, thousands more were counted on the day they were sent. And get this, thousands were counted before they were sent out.

There is a massive amount of instances where questions are being asked about the integracy and legitimacy of your election. Would you not agree that just one question raised should be enough to investigate? Not only are courts not taking up these cases but the media are not reporting them. Why is that? Why is it that Trump, for the past four years, has been vilified and persicuted over his supposive collusion with Russia during the last election. That led to not only the courts taking this up but his treatment from the media has been relentless. Nothing ever came of it but it was investigated nontheless.

Surley you and and everyone else, no matter which political party you lean towards, would want to know that your votes were counted legaly? The long term implications of them not are extremley worrying.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=MJ;1232181]I'm no expert on American politics but, 81m people voted for Biden? A guy, who as far as I know, is going to open your borders, put up your taxes and take away your guns? If that is correct who would vote for it?[/QUOTE]

This is such a Trumpanzee talking point. Taxes will ONLY go up for those making more than USD 400K. No one is taking guns away, Biden himself owns several and used to hunt with his sons. As a naturalized US citizen, I am all FOR opening borders to those coming in legally and those escaping persecution and tyranny. If everything in US politics has to be tied to God, keep an open heart for those in need.

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[QUOTE=MJ;1232222]I'm not convinced Barr thinks that but I'm ready to stand corrected.[/QUOTE]

Here is Barr confirming no fraud. - [url]https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d[/url]

[QUOTE=MJ;1232222] You don't have to admit it, it's fact, the fraud is there and everyone knows it. You just have to get past the same old bullshit on the mainstream media to see it. Most don't though. When you're up one state by 700k with almost 70% of the votes in and the Democrats decide to stop counting and send everyone home. Only to wake up in the morning and that lead has vanished. I mean, come on, that doesn't happen, Yet it did...how? They were calling states for Biden with less than that. [/QUOTE]

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyGr_huFMh4[/url]

Bernie predicted it down to the T what was going to happen.

[QUOTE=MJ;1232222] If it's proven there isn't enough fraud to swing the election then fair enough, I will certainly sleep at night either way. I still think the big tech and media over there are an absolute disgrace to your country. The way they have treated your president, first lady and many of your citizens is appalling. You have heads of other countries who are allowed to post on Twitter and Facebook calling for the actual heads of other countries but as soon as you question the legitimacy of the election or anything about the Biden laptop you are banned. Odd that isn't it? [/QUOTE]

How can you even call that pole greaser a first lady? Gold digging tramp of the first order. And Trump got treated EXACTLY how he deserved. A-Class grifting twat of the first order. Do you know WHY he is up in arms about the election and asking for people to donate to his legal cause? He's got over USD 200 Million in donations and the fine print / disclaimer says he is free and clear to use the funds how he deems fit. Which means, all his loans that are maturing will now be paid from this fund.

[QUOTE=MJ;1232222]January 6th is going to be a very interesting day by all accounts.[/QUOTE]

Why? NOTHING is going to happen on the 6th. It's a massive nothing burger. Suing Pence to invalidate the results and elect Trump is like asking the presenters at the Oscars to invalidate the Oscar Winner and nominate someone else at will on the stage. All Pence has to do is confirm that these are the results of the election and this is the winner. Bill Barr's DOJ is representing Pence and the judge threw the case out but left the door open to file an appeal, which dickless Gohmert is going to attempt once again and fail.

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For realz bro? First of all, if there was even any truth to it, HOW does it matter what's on Hunter Biden's laptop? He isn't running for president. Second of all, that story is nothing but HOGWASH.

Extreme Right wing NYPost releases a supposed expose about a legally blind computer technician who clearly remembers seeing Hunter Biden drop his laptop off but magically loses the hour of footage from his security feed and subsequently broke every ethics rule of computer technicians digging around in client's laptops and raised hell about Biden corruption? What in the actual fuck?

[QUOTE=MJ;1232330]Whatever happened to the Biden laptop story? There was some pretty damning information on it yet the media has brushed it under the carpet, why? Honestly, why? Why would you not want to know the potential leader of your country is, allegedly, receiving money from his son who in turn is receiving it from sources abroad? Don't you think you have a right to know that? Why has it been covered up? Do you even know about it?[/QUOTE]

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I'm ducking out of this one now as he says, she says isn't going to get us anywhere.

I have spoken to Kamal personally today and given him my thoughts. All I ask is that you keep an open mind. The rest is up to you.

Good luck.

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This really needs to be here :) It shows just how ridiculous conspiracy theories are .:lol:

'https://www.guitarworld.com/news/conspiracy-theorists-share-schematic-for-5g-chip-they-claim-is-implanted-in-covid-19-vaccines-only-its-actually-for-the-boss-metal-zone

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Nothing quite says "an election was stolen from me" than calling up a state official and demanding that they come up with enough votes to overturn the results.

Which, by the way, is a federal crime.

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[QUOTE=Kamal;1230880]What upset me more about this election is that if people voted for Trump in 2016, they did so knowing only partially well what a sleazy womanizing businessman he was. But in 2020, having seen what worse he is capable of, he had even more votes than 2016, which tells me that a growing population of us Americans are ok with him and his corruption.

And that is [B][U]truly[/U][/B]heartbreaking to me.

I honestly believe that worse than Covid-19 is TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome). It's worse than Covid-19 because it's far more contagious and will NEVER have a cure.[/QUOTE]

Thing is dude, Americans treat their politics like sports - they dig in with their team - the win is all that matters. They even refer to themselves as "fans" of a politician, which is completely absurd. No one should never be a "fan" of anyone that holds power over a country and its citizens.

[QUOTE=Kamal;1232361]For realz bro? First of all, if there was even any truth to it, HOW does it matter what's on Hunter Biden's laptop? He isn't running for president. Second of all, that story is nothing but HOGWASH.

Extreme Right wing NYPost releases a supposed expose about a legally blind computer technician who clearly remembers seeing Hunter Biden drop his laptop off but magically loses the hour of footage from his security feed and subsequently broke every ethics rule of computer technicians digging around in client's laptops and raised hell about Biden corruption? What in the actual fuck?[/QUOTE]

Remember that this story is being peddled to the people who genuinely believe that there is a secret cabal of Illuminati pedophiles run out of a pizza joint. Consider the education level of someone that actually buys into any of it, and how there are a shit ton of people who worship at the altar of willful ignorance - because Jesus.

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[QUOTE=el presidente Highsteppa;1232420]Remember that this story is being peddled to the people who genuinely believe that there is a secret cabal of Illuminati pedophiles run out of a pizza joint. Consider the education level of someone that actually buys into any of it, and how there are a shit ton of people who worship at the altar of willful ignorance - because Jesus.[/QUOTE]

Here is a mega mashup of the raw MADNESS of Trump Supporters.

Jordan Klepper is a fucking LEGEND in my books.

[video=youtube;7OeeHz0uNdM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OeeHz0uNdM&t=1771s[/video]

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Watching Mitch McConnell, I never thought he would sound off and be the voice of reason today. Today, I am actually proud of him. "The most important vote I will cast today in my 36 years of service. " -McConnell. Even as he is losing his position! Amazing!

There is ZERO real evidence of voter fraud as many courts have reviewed tirelessly all legal claims! Trump is so scared he'll be convicted once out of office, he is simply desperate and a liar to his core.

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McConnell could become a soldier at his age, go to war for the country and that would still not be enough for him to redeem himself to what he has done to the republic. He allowed Trump to do what Trump's lunacy wanted to and that is why the National Guard is on stand by for Jan 20th.

This is the madness this country has descended into, over a bloody election cycle.

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Trump has lost the presidency, the house, and the senate - all in a matter of a couple of months and for the first time since the 1930s. So much winning.

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Actual armed standoffs going on inside the Capitol Building right now.

How his this not sedition/treason again?

At least these clowns are getting an understanding of what a school shooting is like in their own country. Maybe they might actually start showing some empathy on the matter.

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[QUOTE=Kamal;1232429]Trump has lost the presidency, the house, and the senate - all in a matter of a couple of months and for the first time since the 1930s. So much winning.[/QUOTE]

Yep, a little late Mr McConnell, I agree.

And I wrote that before Trumpers stormed the building. Ridiculous! I hope they get the maniacs under control!

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They're going to have to invoke the 25th Amendment on Trump.

They can't allow this to happen again - even though today sets a precedent and it will.

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[video=youtube;HGLrPYu15hI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGLrPYu15hI[/video]

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Watching Ted Cruz backpedal - guess he didn't like getting stuck with the title of traitor and seditionist as much as he thought he would.

Mitch McConnell's speech that he made would have been wonderful and memorable if it even remotely squared with his actions. Too bad his hypocrisy makes it really pretty, really empty words and nothing more.

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Ted Cruz is a strong contender to become the next most worthless sack of shit in the R cess pool.

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[QUOTE=el presidente Highsteppa;1232449]Mitch McConnell's speech that he made would have been wonderful and memorable if it even remotely squared with his actions. Too bad his hypocrisy makes it really pretty, really empty words and nothing more.[/QUOTE]

Trump is the price he paid to get the Supreme's. He thought he could control him... hah.

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We need to get a list going if the biggest Trump crony douchbag asskissing scum. The real enablers. All complicit in not helping Americans during covid, all complicit in the 4 lives lost yesterday during the invasion by domestic terrorist on Capital Hill. These men should be deeply ashamed of themselves and their idiocy.

Rudy Giuliani Ted Cruz Matt Gaetz Mitch Mcconnell Mike Pence I know there are many many more....

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That Trump apology video that comes off like a hostage proof of life video is pretty wild.

He's now saying he called the national guard immediately (he blocked it) and that he's VERY angry at the people he encouraged (hahahaha - his page of supporters on reddit are furious at him - he conceded, which he told them he'd never do, and now they're all branded as terrorists).

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Someone is going to pull a Rick Moranis on him post Jan 20 and it will probably be a MAGAite who does it.

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Nah dude, maybe in jail.

There's a shit ton of charges waiting to be unsealed the moment that Biden's sworn in, not just for Trump, but most of the family. Even if he could self pardon himself (he can't, especially after the past week), it's only for federal crimes, and he's going to get clobbered by NY state alone. He won't be able to leave the podium without handcuffs, if he changes his mind and actually attends the inauguration.

He'll go hide in Florida late next week, and hopefully revive the bunker bitch meme by resisting arrest when they do come to arrest him.

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Remember when Trump signed an executive order last summer, mandating a minimum 10 year sentence for anyone defacing a federal building? LOL

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His neighbors do not want him back in Palm Beach, google it - it’s perfect.

He 100% belongs in jail with his kids and in law Kushner. Have you seen Dirty Money Netflix - Kushner

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So according to some QAnon circles, Trump's "concession" speech was either deepfaked and a sign that he's actually dead or a sign that everything is going according to plan. They seem to be unable to decide.

The deepfake "theory" is gaining more traction now that Trump's Twitter account is permanently suspended. It was Jack Dorsey himself that just happened across the deepfake tweet, panicked and said "they're on to us!" and promptly locked the account, according to QAnon (how they know this, is unclear).

The mental gymnastics along with "OMG, like the government was totally looking at my twitter! I'm a part of all this!" implied narcissism is staggering.

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[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLOcgkgfE-E&ab_channel=WashingtonPost"]Republicans suddenly distance themselves from Trump’s false election claims - YouTube[/URL]

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[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU8c4wt8eCw&ab_channel=TODAY"]Officer Injured During Capitol Hill Riot Dies | TODAY - YouTube[/URL]