The Obama Impeachment

#1641454Post 121 of 1762012-09-08

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Still see obama winning.

#1641458Post 122 of 1762012-09-08

[QUOTE="floridaorange;1059511"]Still see obama winning.[/QUOTE]

With the speeches by Bill and Michelle this week things are looking pretty good for him IMO.

#1641465Post 123 of 1762012-09-08

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That and the first thing that comes to mind about this year's RNC is this:

[img]http://4.mshcdn.com/wp-content/gallery/clint-eastwood-chair-at-rnc/eastwood-chair.jpg[/img]

#1641467Post 124 of 1762012-09-08

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^good to see you around here HS

relevant:

[URL="http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12537"]Charlie Rose - Political Analysis at the Democratic National Convention[/URL]

#1641473Post 125 of 1762012-09-08

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I've also watched videos of speeches of both, RCN audience really homogenic with pretty much just rich white men, DNC looked like regular people of all sorts.

#1641474Post 126 of 1762012-09-08

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[url="http://leanforward.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/07/13729892-register-to-vote-google-searches-double-after-obama-speech?lite"]'Register to vote' Google searches double after Obama speech - Lean Forward[/url]

#1641562Post 127 of 1762012-09-09

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[QUOTE=Homegrove;1059539]I've also watched videos of speeches of both, RCN audience really homogenic with pretty much just rich white men, DNC looked like regular people of all sorts.[/QUOTE]

says the white, bald, androgynous.....foreigner.

#1641588Post 128 of 1762012-09-10

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Outside opinion is often most clear. It's hard to be objective from the inside.

Androgynous? What the fuck kind of insult is that? You can't call me gay, because that might be seemed as homophobic so you're calling me ANDROGYNOUS? :lol:

#1641824Post 129 of 1762012-09-12

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[QUOTE=Homegrove;1059723]Outside opinion is often most clear. It's hard to be objective from the inside.[/QUOTE]

Completely agree.

#1642097Post 130 of 1762012-09-15

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[QUOTE=Homegrove;1059723]Outside opinion is often most clear. It's hard to be objective from the inside.

Androgynous? What the fuck kind of insult is that? You can't call me gay, because that might be seemed as homophobic so you're calling me ANDROGYNOUS? :lol:[/QUOTE]

Yes. You're not a man, not yet a woman.

Obviously you're not gay. Why is calling someone "gay" considered 'homophobic'? What twisted fucked up narnia planet are you living in?

I wonder if you'd call me homophobic because of the narnia reference? I bet you would.

#1642158Post 131 of 1762012-09-16

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:shock:

#1642272Post 132 of 1762012-09-17

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;1060498]Yes. You're not a man, not yet a woman.

Obviously you're not gay. Why is calling someone "gay" considered 'homophobic'? What twisted fucked up narnia planet are you living in?

I wonder if you'd call me homophobic because of the narnia reference? I bet you would.[/QUOTE]

Excuse me, when did you get a look at the works in my pants? There's a dick and balls there, no vagina, so I'd say that classifies me as a man.

As for the other, I get a feeling that calling me androgynous is your way of getting away with calling me a fag, much like I guess you'd call Obama a foreigner who was not born in America (I really hope you're not one of those people, just making an analogy here) is a way to call him the n-word.

#1642369Post 133 of 1762012-09-18

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[QUOTE=Homegrove;1060745]Excuse me, when did you get a look at the works in my pants? There's a dick and balls there, no vagina, so I'd say that classifies me as a man.

As for the other, I get a feeling that calling me androgynous is your way of getting away with calling me a fag, much like I guess you'd call Obama a foreigner who was not born in America (I really hope you're not one of those people, just making an analogy here) is a way to call him the n-word.[/QUOTE]

No, it classifies you as male.

Homophobe. . . . racist . . . what other lovely labels do you have in that purse of yours?

I'm just wondering only because I think you should get it all out instead of keeping it pent up inside.

#1642386Post 134 of 1762012-09-18

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I could throw religious there too, that would probably count as an insult coming from me.

#1642387Post 135 of 1762012-09-18

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Your avatar absolves you of any insulting statements in my general direction imo.

#1642458Post 136 of 1762012-09-18

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[video=youtube;XnB0NZzl5HA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnB0NZzl5HA[/video]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zp9Nw.gif[/IMG]

#1642507Post 137 of 1762012-09-19

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Best part was the press conference afterwards. He said he was "inelegant" with the way he said it.

What a fucking tool.

#1642523Post 138 of 1762012-09-19

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............

#1642700Post 139 of 1762012-09-20

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All Romney was saying was that he wasn't going to focus his campaign on trying to turn around the 47% of people that would vote for Barack not matter what.....

I don't see that as a damning video. It's the truth and I completely agree with him. He should stand up for his beliefs and what he says and not pussyfoot around it because the media says its something it's not. Romney needs to grow some balls cause if he doesn't he can kiss this election goodbye.

Many Americans really do feel like they are entitled to things for free that I work my ass off for and still struggle to pay for sometimes. When the person checking out next to me at the grocery store is buying better food than I can afford with their EBT card while talking on their iphone and drives off in a better car than mine, that's fucked up! You pay no taxes, I just bought your fucking groceries for you and you have nicer shit than me. Welcome to the America Barack is building.....

#1642718Post 140 of 1762012-09-20

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He just called people: who are too poor and don't make enough money to be taxed, retirees who are living off their social security which they paid for and who also aren't making enough income to pay taxes as entitled leeches.

Good job on pissing off and calling almost half of the country lazy fucks. He just lost the election.

#1642723Post 141 of 1762012-09-20

[URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/19/heres-why-the-47-percent-argument-is-an-abuse-of-tax-data/[/URL]

#1642726Post 142 of 1762012-09-20

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There is a huge difference between people who work for a living and still are poor or people who have worked and put a shit ton of their life's pay into social security (God forbid they get some of that money back) and people who are perfectly able to work, should be working and choose not to. Those are the people he was talking about, not people who actually do or have paid taxes. But your liberal mind will see it the way your liberal media intends you too.

We are printing money to pay for the most federal spending in US history. So we worry about this stupid 47% comment yet our nation is in serious economic trouble lead by our government and the federal reserve. We have a guy speaking the truth in so many ways and the important stuff is ignored and the petty stuff is magnified.

#1642728Post 143 of 1762012-09-20

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A slight problem (not caused by Black Jesus) occurred in 2008.

#1642729Post 144 of 1762012-09-20

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It's 2012, time to let go of the only excuse you can muster up for your black Jesus.

#1642730Post 145 of 1762012-09-20

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I'm not really sure how in the real world of Washington you can just wipe out the fact that there were two wars going on (those cost money), and how the USA had to bail out big banks and also the economic collapse. You do believe those small events play a part in gov't spending right?

#1642732Post 146 of 1762012-09-20

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I, for one, take Romney's comments to heart.

I graduated from college in 2007, worked as an Accountant for 5 years and was recently laid off in June. I look for work every godamn day of the week. I apply to more than 10 jobs a week, I have at least 1-2 interviews per week on average but still have not gotten that offer I have been praying for. So for him to say I am, essentially, worthless because I am getting Unemployment, an entitlement program by Republicans standards that they refuse to extend even while we are in a Recession and work is bleek, in order to keep my house (because I bought it in 2009 and it's worth less than what I paid for it and don't have the money to pay the difference to sell it) and pay my bills and you know, EAT two meals a day because I can't afford three, is pompous and arrogant on so many levels.

He has no idea what it means to have a W-2 job, yes a JOB, and pay at 20-30% levels because all of his money is taxed at capital gains rates, 15%. Mind you, with only two months left until voting, we STILL only have ONE YEAR (incomplete mind you) of his tax returns. Yea, that seems really fair doesn't it?

I am not voting for Obama because I like him either but the current Republican party is AWOL. They are not the inclusive, civil rights fighters that they used to be, they are nothing more than a pure Corporate Capitalist Party that cares about nobody but people making above $250,000.00 a year.

I would have no problem calling myself a Republican if they were what they once were because I consider myself a fiscally-conservative person but I cannot let myself vote for them now. They are in need of a Change, no doubt about it.

#1642734Post 147 of 1762012-09-20

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He's had a full term to turn things around, or at least show some slight improvement. He had Dems in control of the House and Senate for 2 years and he's signed over 900 executive orders. The man has had an opportunity to show that he cares more about finding a fix for the economy than making public appearances on fucking Letterman. He's the "cool, hip" president and it's so sad the majority of the American public finds that more appealing than what his actual plan is for repairing our once thriving economy. Fact is, we are far worse off financially than we were 4 years ago and it will not get any better during the next 4 years if he is re-elected.

Republicans care about saving our economy, but that's doesn't sound very fun does it?

#1642737Post 148 of 1762012-09-20

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1061366]Republicans care about saving our economy, but that's doesn't sound very fun does it?[/QUOTE]

How exactly? All they want is more tax cuts, less regulation (which is what got us into this Recession, thank you Clinton and thank you Bush) and another war with Iran... how is that going to save our economy? Sure, they love sound bites and propaganda but they have no sense of simple maths.

#1642738Post 149 of 1762012-09-20

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[QUOTE=ddr;1061364]So for him to say I am, essentially, worthless because I am getting Unemployment[/QUOTE]

[video=youtube;XnB0NZzl5HA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XnB0NZzl5HA[/video]

Please tell me where in this video he says that someone on unemployment is worthless? Then when you can't find it, please tell me why you think that's what he's saying, instead of what he actually is saying.

#1642740Post 150 of 1762012-09-20

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[QUOTE=ddr;1061369]How exactly? All they want is more tax cuts, less regulation (which is what got us into this Recession, thank you Clinton and thank you Bush) and another war with Iran... how is that going to save our economy? Sure, they love sound bites and propaganda but they have no sense of simple maths.[/QUOTE]

So instead of paying less taxes, you would like to pay more taxes? Would paying more taxes get you out into the economy to spend your money and help businesses profit, expand, and hire more workers?

Oh, by the way, I drive past a fast food restaurant every day and I've seen a "now hiring" sign in the window for weeks. Yet the unemployment office is across the street and there are lines out the door. Would you except a job at a fast food restaurant or be a cashier at a supermarket so you can be employed again? Just a rhetorical question, please don't take offense to it.

#1642741Post 151 of 1762012-09-20

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1061370][video=youtube;XnB0NZzl5HA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XnB0NZzl5HA[/video]

Please tell me where in this video he says that someone on unemployment is worthless? Then when you can't find it, please tell me why you think that's what he's saying, instead of what he actually is saying.[/QUOTE]

Not in that 1:07 video but he has said over and over about how Obama voters are increasingly "dependent on government" and how they have no need to look for work because of it. That to me is, essentially writing us off as worthless Americans who are a drain on the economy. That is simply not true and an arrogant way of thinking about those who receive government assistance in order to keep their home and eat on a day-to-day basis.

I agree there are people taking advantage of it, because he is taking advantage of the capital gains rate because its "legal" why is it OK for rich people to take social security when they have millions in the bank but not OK for poor people to take almost the same assistance in order to stay off the street?

#1642742Post 152 of 1762012-09-20

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1061372]So instead of paying less taxes, you would like to pay more taxes? Would paying more taxes get you out into the economy to spend your money and help businesses profit, expand, and hire more workers?

Oh, by the way, I drive past a fast food restaurant every day and I've seen a "now hiring" sign in the window for weeks. Yet the unemployment office is across the street and there are lines out the door. Would you except a job at a fast food restaurant or be a cashier at a supermarket so you can be employed again? Just a rhetorical question, please don't take offense to it.[/QUOTE]

Yes, I would be happy to pay more taxes if it were to help the economy and our debt problem. Why shouldn't we?

As for your last question, no.. I wouldn't. I have a college degree in Accounting and working on my CPA license. If I accept that job, then my college career--all of my hard work and money I paid for college is essentially worthless. That aside, a minimum wage job wouldn't be enough to pay for my bills at the moment. There is a difference between accepting any work available and accepting work that you worked for and deserve.

#1642743Post 153 of 1762012-09-20

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He's not talking about you man; please see if for what it actually is instead of what you are being told it is. You were once employed and are actively seeking new employment. You have the will to want to work again and the drive to actually get out there and look for it. The people he is referring to are the ones that don't look for work, that don't care about making their own income, the ones that have become comfortable with what the government (taxpayers "you and me") supplies them (welfare, government housing, food stamps, free health care, ect.) but now want even more. So instead of going out and working, or even looking for work (not a requirement any more for people on welfare per one of Obama's executive orders signed recently) those people would rather blame "rich" people for having the money that they don't have.

How do "rich" people have money; by working. Now, please explain to me how taking (taxing) more money from "rich" people to pay for the government programs that give money to people who refuse to work is going to fix our economy?

#1642747Post 154 of 1762012-09-20

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[QUOTE=ddr;1061375]Yes, I would be happy to pay more taxes if it were to help the economy and our debt problem. Why shouldn't we?

As for your last question, no.. I wouldn't. I have a college degree in Accounting and working on my CPA license. If I accept that job, then my college career--all of my hard work and money I paid for college is essentially worthless. That aside, a minimum wage job wouldn't be enough to pay for my bills at the moment. There is a difference between accepting any work available and accepting work that you worked for and deserve.[/QUOTE]

Why would that be considered worthless? Because you're accepting employment where you can find it? Regardless of your degree man, you need to work and earn an income right? Obviously, finding a accounting job in your area isn't happening, or at least not at the moment. Would you really rather sit at home, collecting money from the government, than be out in the workforce; regardless of what type of workforce it is? Even with an income that doesn't completely pay your bills, you can still get government assistance to help with the difference. At least you would be employed, paying taxes and be a part of the solution rather than part of the problem. I don't get it. Myself, I would (and have), swallow my pride and accept any job available to me, regardless if it's in my field or not.

#1642748Post 155 of 1762012-09-20

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1061376]He's not talking about you man; please see if for what it actually is instead of what you are being told it is. You were once employed and are actively seeking new employment. You have the will to want to work again and the drive to actually get out there and look for it. The people he is referring to are the ones that don't look for work, that don't care about making their own income, the ones that have become comfortable with what the government (taxpayers "you and me") supplies them (welfare, government housing, food stamps, free health care, ect.) but now want even more. So instead of going out and working, or even looking for work (not a requirement any more for people on welfare per one of Obama's executive orders signed recently) those people would rather blame "rich" people for having the money that they don't have.

How do "rich" people have money; by working. Now, please explain to me how taking (taxing) more money from "rich" people to pay for the government programs that give money to people who refuse to work is going to fix our economy?[/QUOTE]

So almost HALF of the USA are actually lazy bastards and not looking for work at all and are trying to leech off the system? Sure doesn't seem like it from where I've lived in the USA over the last year.

#1642749Post 156 of 1762012-09-20

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1061376]He's not talking about you man; please see if for what it actually is instead of what you are being told it is. You were once employed and are actively seeking new employment. You have the will to want to work again and the drive to actually get out there and look for it. The people he is referring to are the ones that don't look for work, that don't care about making their own income, the ones that have become comfortable with what the government (taxpayers "you and me") supplies them (welfare, government housing, food stamps, free health care, ect.) but now want even more. So instead of going out and working, or even looking for work (not a requirement any more for people on welfare per one of Obama's executive orders signed recently) those people would rather blame "rich" people for having the money that they don't have.

How do "rich" people have money; by working. Now, please explain to me how taking (taxing) more money from "rich" people to pay for the government programs that give money to people who refuse to work is going to fix our economy?[/QUOTE]

I know he isnt talking about me, personally, he is talking about the different programs that I am a part of and personal family members have been a part of, so to a point, he is. I do think for myself though, thank you, I don't sit in a room and watch MSNBC all day and not hear the other side. I always take in other points of view and figure out what makes the most sense using truth, logic and reason.

And not all "rich" people work... some are born into it and don't have to work their asses off like some of us that are born into poor or middle class family's, so there is some difference there. Rich people do have a lot more options than the rest of us, most notably access to stocks and the like, ie: making money off of money. Capital Gains rate is way too low and it was a big mistake for Clinton to lower it, in order to work with the other side--but that is government, compromising in order to find a middle ground that will work... something that has totally gone into the trash in recent years.

#1642752Post 157 of 1762012-09-20

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I said "most" rich people. I knew the "inherited all my money" rich person would be brought up. Regardless, however the rich people got their money, it's not mine, it's not yours, and it's not the governments to take away and do with what they please. This is, or used to be, America...

#1642753Post 158 of 1762012-09-20

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1061387]I said "most" rich people. I knew the "inherited all my money" rich person would be brought up. Regardless, however the rich people got their money, it's not mine, it's not yours, and it's not the governments to take away and do with what they please. This is, or used to be, America...[/QUOTE]

I agree.. but you missed the point about the CG rate being too low. There is a reason why the middle class has been shrinking over the past 30 years and the richer keep getting richer; that has a lot to do with it and so does the whole notion of "Trickle Down Economics" It doesn't work.

#1642754Post 159 of 1762012-09-20

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;1061382]So almost HALF of the USA are actually lazy bastards and not looking for work at all and are trying to leech off the system? Sure doesn't seem like it from where I've lived in the USA over the last year.[/QUOTE]

No, but according to many movements (occupy comes to mind) and media outlets, they certainly feel like they are entitled to things we once used to have to work for. Money and opportunity doesn't usually land in your lap. It's called hard work, dedication, and maybe even some hard times, that give people the ability to pay for the things they think they are entitled to. There's no such thing as "free"; someone, somewhere pays for it; and right now it's you and me.

Wouldn't you like to know that someone in the white house is at least fighting to give people the opportunity to work again and earn their own living instead of taking it from people who do work and giving it to the people that don't or refuse to? I sure as hell would and it's not going to happen with Obama at the wheel.

#1642755Post 160 of 1762012-09-20

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[QUOTE=ddr;1061388]I agree.. but you missed the point about the CG rate being too low. There is a reason why the middle class has been shrinking over the past 30 years and the richer keep getting richer; that has a lot to do with it and so does the whole notion of "Trickle Down Economics" It doesn't work.[/QUOTE]

No matter who you decide to vote for brother, there will always be "rich" people in America. Time to accept reality that there will always be some people who have more than you do, even if it's totally "unfair". Take the government regulations off the companies and businesses that those rich people own, decrease payroll and other business taxes, increase the opportunity that those business owners have to create more profit, and we'll finally find ourselves with jobs available; even accounting jobs ;)

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