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[QUOTE=clintlove;1061390]No matter who you decide to vote for brother, there will always be "rich" people in America. Time to accept reality that there will always be some people who have more than you do, even if it's totally "unfair". Take the government regulations off the companies and businesses that those rich people own, decrease payroll and other business taxes, increase the opportunity that those business owners have to create more profit, and we'll finally find ourselves with jobs available; even accounting jobs ;)[/QUOTE]

I do agree that there are some regulations that are unnecessary and not needed but there are some that are, particularly in the banking/Wall Street arena and also the Oil industry as well to name a couple that come to mind. Why give some company's free range when all they are going to do is screw up our economy, put oil into our oceans, and make some of our drinking water flammable? Some company's forget their fiduciary responsibility with respect to the public and their consumers and only care about the bottom line on a piece of paper.

And the good thing about being in the business/accounting profession is that there are plenty of jobs available... just waiting on that one to say, hey we want you! ;) I talk to people all of the time that went through the same story as me and they are flabbergasted at how much success I have had in getting hits. It's only a matter of time my friend :)

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I'd like for everyone who has 30 minutes to watch this Interview with Michael Lewis, about the book he wrote about Obama after spending 5 months with him every day. Interesting stuff about OUR president:

[url="http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12549"]Charlie Rose - Michael Lewis[/url]

[quote]Michael Lewis is an American contemporary non-fiction author.After graduating from the Isidore Newman School in New Orleans, Lewis received an art history degree from Princeton University and a Masters Degree in Economics from the London School of Economics. He went on to write several bestselling books, including “Liar’s Poker”, “The New New Thing”, “Moneyball: The Art of Winning an Unfair Game” and “The Blind Side: Evolution of a Game”. Lewis is currently a contributing writer to the “New York Times Magazine”, a columnist for Bloomberg, and a visiting fellow at the University of California, Berkeley.[/quote]

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1061387]I said "most" rich people. I knew the "inherited all my money" rich person would be brought up. Regardless, however the rich people got their money, it's not mine, it's not yours, and it's not the governments to take away and do with what they please. This is, or used to be, America...[/QUOTE]

This sounds really more of the problem with the US right now and not the solution. Why shouldn't those of us who can afford it pay extra to help others who can't? This is America right where we help each other out? Now it sounds like it is more 'Fuck you this is America, everything is mine'. That attitude then becomes 'Fuck me! I'm broke, I need help! Give me money!' when the times get tough. It doesn't go both ways.

We should be trying to help each other out not say fuck off everything is mine mine mine...

[QUOTE=clintlove;1061389] Wouldn't you like to know that someone in the white house is at least fighting to give people the opportunity to work again and earn their own living instead of taking it from people who do work and giving it to the people that don't or refuse to? I sure as hell would and it's not going to happen with Obama at the wheel.[/QUOTE]

No offense but I think you might see it a bit tainted being in NOLA and the city still having bad after affects of Katrina. I don't think there are as many people around the USA being lazy and looking for work as you think there are, there is probably a bigger amount of this there now just because of how devastated the city became because of the hurricane who are still struggling to find work in the area. I think the leeches have a much smaller economic impact than you think they do...

It doesn't matter what system is in place anyway there are always going to be people to try and milk the system. I don't know how trying to allow a few million more people healthcare coverage is going to fix that or how it is a bad thing.

Just my 2c

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1061395]I'd like for everyone who has 30 minutes to watch this Interview with Michael Lewis, about the book he wrote about Obama after spending 5 months with him every day. Interesting stuff about OUR president:

[URL="http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12549"]Charlie Rose - Michael Lewis[/URL][/QUOTE]

I listened to The Big Short during my drive back across the US the other month. It was good.

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Good summation right here:

[video=youtube;yTwpBLzxe4U]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTwpBLzxe4U[/video]

:roflmao:

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@ clintlove, I do find it interesting that after almost 2 pages of us debating, there wasn't a single post of yours that said, I agree or good point..etc. Whereas I have said I agree on a number of your points and I sincerely do. Just an observation.

You seemed to have just glossed over a bunch of my points and only argue differing opinions on something that you hold a different opinion on... not trying to be personal but it is a recurring theme I get debating with many people on the Right or Extreme-Right side of things, debating is always anti-this or anti-that, they can never agree on something if it is coming from someone on the other side. I don't get it. :what

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1061381]Why would that be considered worthless? Because you're accepting employment where you can find it? Regardless of your degree man, you need to work and earn an income right? Obviously, finding a accounting job in your area isn't happening, or at least not at the moment. Would you really rather sit at home, collecting money from the government, than be out in the workforce; regardless of what type of workforce it is? Even with an income that doesn't completely pay your bills, you can still get government assistance to help with the difference. At least you would be employed, paying taxes and be a part of the solution rather than part of the problem. I don't get it. Myself, I would (and have), swallow my pride and accept any job available to me, regardless if it's in my field or not.[/QUOTE]

It is also about economics. I receive more money from State Unemployment (which I have earned from being employed for 5+ years due to my ex-employer's SUTA tax) than I would if I accepted a fast food restaurant position or one at minimum or slightly more than minimum wage.

Also, I spend at least 5-6 hours a day searching for work and applying for work which has earned me, like I said, at least 1-2 interviews per week. If I were to take that fast food position, it would deter me from seeking full-time employment in an area to which I have worked 9+ years for. I wouldn't have the time I have now to specifically search for a Job while studying for my CPA. It's not like I sit at home and twiddle my thumbs at the ceiling... waiting for some government god to come down and say, "You Are Now Employed."

Something about the Right thinks that Unemployment benefits is so negative and shouldn't be allowed... if we didn't have that, our poverty rate would skyrocket and people like me and people with family's would be forced on the street or in Salvation Army area's... where again, the Right would whine that there are too many people there and they should do something with their lives when the economy is in the toilet and they really are trying, yes really are Trying.

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Also, the REAL problem with this country is not entitlement programs, to which Romney, Paul Ryan, and everyone at Fox News would have you believe. This is only another scare tactic which only creates an US vs. THEM mentality, which btw, is not very American if you ask me. Entitlement programs as the Republicans call them are only a sliver to the real problem.

The REAL problem is our monstrosity of a military/Defense budget to which the Republicans (Ron Paul being the only one that doesn't and he is seen as crazy by his own party) always seem to cling onto like its a life raft in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, why? Our Defense budget is like bigger than the next 20 countries combined, what for? Why are we in all of these countries that don't even want us there in the first place, why do we still have forces in freakin' Germany, when as far as I knew, WW2 was over and done with. The Republicans are still screaming and whining over small cuts to it that the Military even agreed to!! LOL, it is just crazy... and they're next plan is that they want a new war with Iran? They even argued against Obama's dealing of Libya and Syria because they want to shove a whole new force in both countries, what for? McCain even still touts that he wants to leave a residual force in Iraq... again, what for?

Our debt problem would never be the problem that it is now if George W. Bush didn't get us into Iraq, a war that we never needed to be in, in the first place. If you don't know or realize that fact... well I just don't know. I know I still would like to read some of those e-mails or letters that were going around during that whole debacle but oh yea, they were destroyed, how convenient yea? Osama bin Laden may be dead (thank you Obama) but he sure did get the job done didn't he? One heinous act by his disgusting little group and we spend the next 11+ years in an economic free fall, it should't have been like this.

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[quote]Osama bin Laden may be dead (thank you Obama) but he sure did get the job done didn't he? One heinous act by his disgusting little group and we spend the next 11+ years in an economic free fall, it should't have been like this.[/quote]

As an outsider looking into America it certainly seems the Al Qaida won. They made you nearly bankrupt your economy, made your sacrifice thousands of your young. According to the latest NSA-whistleblower they made you also loose all of your precious freedom in creating one hell of a Big Brother system.

I was and still am a supporter of the war in Afganistan, but the whole Iraq thing was just so pointless and caused so much harm globally.

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[QUOTE=ddr;1061481]Also, the REAL problem with this country is not entitlement programs, to which Romney, Paul Ryan, and everyone at Fox News would have you believe. This is only another scare tactic which only creates an US vs. THEM mentality, which btw, is not very American if you ask me. Entitlement programs as the Republicans call them are only a sliver to the real problem.

The REAL problem is our monstrosity of a military/Defense budget to which the Republicans (Ron Paul being the only one that doesn't and he is seen as crazy by his own party) always seem to cling onto like its a life raft in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, why? Our Defense budget is like bigger than the next 20 countries combined, what for? Why are we in all of these countries that don't even want us there in the first place, why do we still have forces in freakin' Germany, when as far as I knew, WW2 was over and done with. The Republicans are still screaming and whining over small cuts to it that the Military even agreed to!! LOL, it is just crazy... and they're next plan is that they want a new war with Iran? They even argued against Obama's dealing of Libya and Syria because they want to shove a whole new force in both countries, what for? McCain even still touts that he wants to leave a residual force in Iraq... again, what for?

Our debt problem would never be the problem that it is now if George W. Bush didn't get us into Iraq, a war that we never needed to be in, in the first place. If you don't know or realize that fact... well I just don't know. I know I still would like to read some of those e-mails or letters that were going around during that whole debacle but oh yea, they were destroyed, how convenient yea? Osama bin Laden may be dead (thank you Obama) but he sure did get the job done didn't he? One heinous act by his disgusting little group and we spend the next 11+ years in an economic free fall, it should't have been like this.[/QUOTE]

I will politely disagree with your statement that military spending is the big problem. I am at work and don't feel like spending a lot of time searching, so this simple wikipedia pie chart will have to suffice. ;)

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S.Federal_Spending-_FY_2011.png[/URL]

Looks to me like Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and Discretionary spending far outweigh military. And this is before Obamacare gets implemented.

Just sayin.'

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[QUOTE=subterFUSE;1061566]I will politely disagree with your statement that military spending is the big problem. I am at work and don't feel like spending a lot of time searching, so this simple wikipedia pie chart will have to suffice. ;)

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:U.S.Federal_Spending-_FY_2011.png[/URL]

Looks to me like Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and Discretionary spending far outweigh military. And this is before Obamacare gets implemented.

Just sayin.'[/QUOTE]

That pie chart is missing a key piece... how Medicare and Social Security are being almost paid for by W-2 Employee's through Medicare and Social Security taxes, both of which are matched by Employer taxes... what is Defense paid with? During the Bush years, nothing, it was almost ALL added to the Deficit. It's not a sheer coincidence that George W Bush came in with a Surplus, then entered into two wars, 7-years later, we have a Trillions$ Deficit.

Pie charts are nice and pretty and all but miss ALOT.

Just sayin' :)

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[QUOTE=Homegrove;1061539]As an outsider looking into America it certainly seems the Al Qaida won. They made you nearly bankrupt your economy, made your sacrifice thousands of your young. According to the latest NSA-whistleblower they made you also loose all of your precious freedom in creating one hell of a Big Brother system.

I was and still am a supporter of the war in Afganistan, but the whole Iraq thing was just so pointless and caused so much harm globally.[/QUOTE]

pretty much

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I think he will get re-elected. Romney is a train-wreck in the making, its been fun watching. Much worse than hokey Sarah Palin

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[QUOTE=EternalX;1062775]I think he will get re-elected. Romney is a train-wreck in the making, its been fun watching. Much worse than hokey Sarah Palin[/QUOTE]

Trainwreck in the making? I'm sure the narrative was trying to paint him as mixing hip hop and house, but last night he was straight drum and bass track after drum and bass track. With several bo-selecta's dropped here and there.

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[QUOTE=ddr;1061481]Also, the REAL problem with this country is not entitlement programs, to which Romney, Paul Ryan, and everyone at Fox News would have you believe. This is only another scare tactic which only creates an US vs. THEM mentality, which btw, is not very American if you ask me. Entitlement programs as the Republicans call them are only a sliver to the real problem.

The REAL problem is our monstrosity of a military/Defense budget to which the Republicans (Ron Paul being the only one that doesn't and he is seen as crazy by his own party) always seem to cling onto like its a life raft in the middle of the Pacific Ocean, why? Our Defense budget is like bigger than the next 20 countries combined, what for? Why are we in all of these countries that don't even want us there in the first place, why do we still have forces in freakin' Germany, when as far as I knew, WW2 was over and done with. The Republicans are still screaming and whining over small cuts to it that the Military even agreed to!! LOL, it is just crazy... and they're next plan is that they want a new war with Iran? They even argued against Obama's dealing of Libya and Syria because they want to shove a whole new force in both countries, what for? McCain even still touts that he wants to leave a residual force in Iraq... again, what for?

Our debt problem would never be the problem that it is now if George W. Bush didn't get us into Iraq, a war that we never needed to be in, in the first place. If you don't know or realize that fact... well I just don't know. I know I still would like to read some of those e-mails or letters that were going around during that whole debacle but oh yea, they were destroyed, how convenient yea? Osama bin Laden may be dead (thank you Obama) but he sure did get the job done didn't he? One heinous act by his disgusting little group and we spend the next 11+ years in an economic free fall, it should't have been like this.[/QUOTE]

I agree. You're not supposed to piss on an electrical fire. That's why a change of leadership is warranted. Because, last I checked, George fucking Bush (barely a fucking centrist republican) isn't running (thankfully) for president.

Entitlement programs are a sliver? Really? Tell the people on entitlements that they need to vote for the peeps trying to reform it and then get back to me. (at least you admit it's a problem. some people are even in denial about that lol).

I concur that we should have done fuck-all in Iraq. but that's the new global leftist military machine.