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Thanks for the share Lance.

The above should've been said much earlier imo. It's a sentiment which has been "breeding underneath the surface" for months, maybe even years.

When I talk to my girlfriend of her friends, the same message is repeated over and over again: Al Quaida, Hezbollah and Hamas aren't muslims, they're criminals who abuse our religion and drag it through the mud.

I'm happy that the vast majority of the muslim community is finally "coming out of the closet" and taking position. I hope this can be a turnpike and that the rotten apples will finally be removed from the basket...

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[quote=KinKyJ]"Halliburton"[/quote]

ummm...

1. they lost their contract a year ago. and were not only investigated, but forced out by the iraqi police.

2. neither darth vader (runsfeld), the emporer (cheney) nor the spokesman (bush) have owned stock in the company for roughly 7 years. once they announced thier intent to run for office, all thier portfolios were handed over to PWC and ernst and young to be put in a blind trust. the only contact they receive about thier stocks is the 1099 statement they receive in late january.

sorry but im sick of the halliburton comments over the years by people who watched that fat fuck michael moore's movies and "reports". they were one of only a handful of companies capable of the work to be done there. and they were the lowest bidder. i guess we should be happy we are saving the iraqi taxpayer money. grrrr..

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[quote=thesightless]ummm...

1. they lost their contract a year ago. and were not only investigated, but forced out by the iraqi police.[/quote]I knew about the stock options, but I didn't know about the above. Got a link with some background on that?

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yes i do. [URL="http://www.google.com"]www.google.com[/URL]

its a wonderful tool.

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[quote=thesightless]sorry but im sick of the halliburton comments over the years by people who watched that fat fuck michael moore's movies and "reports". [/quote]

I couldn't agree with you more.

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[quote=thesightless]its a wonderful tool.[/quote]I guess it takes one to know one, right? :p

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[QUOTE=thesightless]they were one of only a handful of companies capable of the work to be done there. and they were the lowest bidder. [/QUOTE]

Uh, weren't they the ONLY bidder in most circumstances?

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yes, in certain contracts. but that is hardly to work of the other 3 clowns. is it their fault that people didnt want to work in a war zone. also, the contracts are approved by a comittee in the house.

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also, the kellog brown root contract that drew the ire of people, that was the illegal one. there wasnt a bid. haliburton's link to KBR is stock. they do not directly control the comapny otherwise. and the reason they won it is that no companies could afford to absorb the initial costs of well over 4 billion for materials. the payments are deferred until the iraqi government can develope a resonable tax to pay for it. even microsoft would have a hard time throwing roughly 4 billion away for a few years until the revenue was generated.

im not defending them. but just trying to give the peices of the picture that tend to get left out.

also, jimmy, on a side note, can you see if you can find me a copy of the decision against apple for the slave labor camps making ipods and macs. (sry, but i forgot to PM you)

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Guess What Guys

More MILITANT ACTION sponsored by clerics is going off as we speak.

somalia's capital is being advanced on by islamist mlitants, who btw, have murdered a few thousand people in the last few months. they have already taken a good chuck of the country and dont seem to be stopping. so far sharia is in effect for mogadishu and the surrounding areas..

does anyone notice a recurring theme here?] somalia sudan kashmir israel iraq afghanistan

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Today's Update

5,392 Islamist terrorist attacks around the globe since 9/11.

Iraq and India and the Sudan and Algeria and Afghanistan and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Ingushetia and Dagestan and Turkey and Kabardino-Balkaria and Morocco and Yemen and Lebanon and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Iran and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Germany and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Scotland and...

...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:

"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Qur'an, Sura 9:5

" The List " of Islamic Terror Attacks For the Past 5 Months : [url]http://thereligionofpeace.com/[/url]

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i love this one.

[quote][B][COLOR=#800000]Random Thoughts (from TROP)[/COLOR][/B][FONT=Arial][COLOR=#800000] [B]Current: [/B][/COLOR][/FONT][FONT=Arial]Other than Iran and Syria, who else has sway over Hezbollah? Surprisingly, DNC chairman Howard Dean says it's the Democrats.

At San Diego State University over the weekend, Dean gave an amazing speech in which he actually said that Hezbollah and Hamas would not have provoked Israel into an attack if the Democrats were in charge because his political party has [B]the "moral authority" of "Bill Clinton"[/B] (yes, that Bill Clinton, the guy who bombed Muslim nations periodically when he needed to distract attention from his extramarital affairs - apparently this really impresses religious zealots).

Dean goes on to slam the Republicans on national defense: [I]"How tough can you be on defense if five years after 9/11, Osama bin Laden is still at large, the Iranians are about to get nuclear weapons, and North Korea's quadrupled their nuclear weapons stash?"[/I]

Oh, I don't know probably tougher than the party that thrice rejected Sudan's offer to turn over Bin Laden five years [I]before[/I] 9/11, saw to it that Iran turned from a Western-friendly nation to a Mullahcracy in 1979, and allowed North Korea to go nuclear in the first place... but that's just the way our disgruntled editor sees it.[/FONT] [/quote]

if that is really a howard dean comment, its pretty funny. he is esssentially implying we should take more fighting on, taking out NK's and iran's nukes. pretty good for a guy who campaigned against the war he voted for to begin with. US democrats everyone. they have flown under the radar since megatron took office.

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[quote=davetlv] ...and pretty much wherever Muslims believe their religion tells them to:

"Fight and slay the Unbelievers wherever ye find them. Seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war." Qur'an, Sura 9:5[/quote]I'm not a Bible specialist, but I'm sure there are plenty of passages in both the Old as in the New Testament which justify slaying heathens as well :roll:

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[quote=KinKyJ]I'm not a Bible specialist, but I'm sure there are plenty of passages in both the Old as in the New Testament which justify slaying heathens as well :roll:[/quote] Indeed there might be, but how many Jews or Christians will you find that are prepared to murder non-believers?

THought you might appreciate these. . . . . .

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lmao @ the second one.

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^^^what he said :D:D:D

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[quote=davetlv]Indeed there might be, but how many Jews or Christians will you find that are prepared to murder non-believers[/quote]Oh, give me a couple of weeks and the budget to fly around the world to find some desperate idiots. I'll promise them 72 virgins in the afterlife and they'll even be prepared to have coitus with beanz.

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[quote=thesightless][quote=Kobe]What exactly can they solve now that they haven't been able to solve for the past serveral thousand years, and how?[/quote]once and for all, they are standing up for themselves, rather than looking elsewhere, and playing the poor me card. sadly, it is taking violence. but how far can a society be pushed before it pushes back. they have been pushed out of every region that now incorporates iran, turkey, the 3 countries between the black and caspian sea, all the way south to egypt and into saudi arabia. yes, at one point in history prior to 600 AD, the jews lived there. now, along the lines of these events, the christians are being pushed out as well in the southern regions. wait until they get pissed. they dont flee, they crusade.[/quote]

Exactly what he said.

[quote=Jenks]"Religion is a crutch for weak minded people" - Gov. Jesse Ventura[/quote]
Agreed. :RockOn:

[quote=Morgan]Yey relegion sucks. The spanish inquisition killed more people than Hilter, but we don't hate the spanish. I do think though that faith has alot of power, sadly at the moment we see hate faith producing sucide bombers rather than Mother Thresa.[/quote] Again...agreed. :RockOn:

[quote=thesightless]but what they dont tell you is that the militants and thier supporters actually opt to bring the children along to make us say "they are killing inncocent". if you send your kid into a warzone, dont be angry when the guy sitting next to them holding a bazooka has a 1100 pound bomb dropped on his van. CNN had one of thier reporters behind the line with hamas and they actually bring scores of chilren around with them while they attack people. call it training on their behlf.[/quote] But you'll [B]never[/B] hear that on the news....left or right leaning. It's always better to go for the humanitarian angle and say "Look at the dead children!!!" with no clarification or elaboration on how or why they died. "If it bleeds, it leads." :roll:

[quote=thesightless]sorry but im sick of the halliburton comments over the years by people who watched that fat fuck michael moore's movies and "reports".[/quote] Exactly...just more anti-war/anti-Bush rhetoric to toss around. The same shit any anti-war lib has been spouting for the past 3 years..."No WMDs!!!"..."Only for oil!!!"..."Haliburton!!!" Damn, that shit gets old. :x

[quote=KinKyJ]I'm not a Bible specialist, but I'm sure there are plenty of passages in both the Old as in the New Testament which justify slaying heathens as well :roll:[/quote] Look no further than The Crusades. Have I said "Fuck religion" yet?? :evil:

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1. the crusades arent even comparaable to recent events. idealogically, the idea is correct, but in fact, its bunk. a. government, and the idea of it, was barely in the infant stage. b. due in fact to.... the lack of media, transportation, SCIENCE, communication, history and medicine. c. all the people knew at the time was thier religion. the only thing they feared, was thier god. who closer to god than the papacy at the time. d. THEY WERE LAUNCHED IN RETAILIATION TO THE MUSLIM CONQUEST after the european region recovered from the bubonic plague. (google/wiki ''conquest of jerusalem'') which is what our cunnrent situation is all about. e. after all that, then they got greedy, forcing out the last of the moorish and muslim peoples who had settled into the area.

god, didnt anyone pay attention in history class? 2. im on fire. [URL="http://www.objectif-sega.com/sega/test/md/nba/nbajam4.jpg"][IMG]http://www.objectif-sega.com/sega/test/md/nba/nbajam4.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

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Ok, but what does any of that have to do with the fact that The Crusades were religiously motivated massacres...which was my only point?? :what

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essentially, they were governmentally motivated as the papacy was the government. and it wasnt done in an effort of expansion. it was done in defense. i guess that's my point. there simply put, wasnt anything else. its all they knew. you were divided into societies based upon the deities you worshipped, not your political views, nor where you were from. if you were born in italy, all you were was a catholic. not an italian, not a democrat, just a catholic. you need to step back and realize it was a complete different era with different thinking. im not saying it was right, but ppl who bring it up need to realize that all it was back then was your church and family.

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I see what you mean, but I'm not going nearly that deep. Part of the distain I have for religion is because of church sanctioned genocide like The Crusades. Period...end of story.

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well, dont worry, there were only 5 true religiously lead crusades. 3 happened all at once. the catholics spreading back out from italy, back into persia, north into the german lands, and west into france. the 4th occured when the papacy wanted to reclaim constantinople, and the 5th wasnt after these, but during. its called the muslim conquest. sadly, its still going on in africa and india.

but if we want to get into semantics, the population of the globe is essentially a giant christian expansion. albeit peaceful for most of it. the real violence occured in central and southern africa when the euro colonies imperialized the world.

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hey, listen, and hear me out on this. it might take you a minute to understand why and how.

the more im reading about the lebanon shit, the more i notice that thier government isnt getting up in rhetoric, but actually seems OK with allowing isreal to rid them of this vile element of its population. they called off their army, pulled it north, and isnt even sending a lot of aid into the region outside of helping evacuations.

now, remember last year. what it took to get syria out of lebanon. and the reaction of the lebanese people in regards to the assassinations afterwards.

then, for the last two days, trucks with explosives and weapons have been destroyed by the IAF coming in from syria. syria is openly showing its hand in attacking lebanon. while the attack does not come from the front line, it comes from the back, via support, weapons, money and supplies.

does anyone think that it might serve international interests of long term peace, and democracy in the region if lebanese government and isreali government simply come to a basic agreement to defend the region as a whole, if only for a short time, from terrorist and extremist elements that are funded by foreign relgious leadershp under the guise of government.

ie. what if they got together and agreed to fight this one 2 fronts. lebanese military could initiate a response to those in syria which elect to continually send aramants into hezbollahs hands. while isreal, takes on the lebanese based hezzie's whoa re currently fighting them.

it actually accomplishes much, while allowing both governments to act in defense of their citizens, it shows a stronger attitude toward peace, and also shows that two of the stronger democracies(syria's being jsut that and nothing more quite yet, YET) will unite and work for a common goal. also the addition of lebanon into the so called war on terror would garner much sympathy from a much needed group of people. the muslim population. no one wants to see thier own people attacked or do the attacking, so if a larger contingent of the muslim population, especially one that has yet to have US military in its backyard, shows a desire to voice up towards peace and democracy, it can only help spread those ideals which, i personally think, that a lot of the people in the middle east want, but are either afraid or unmotivated to speak.

and in regards to iranian interference, let them jump in. because the UN and the current nations with military in the region, wouldnt hesitate to remove a man who has already violated millions of people of thier human rights, forcing people to wear identification based on religion. remember the last time people had to do that.

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also, at the basic human need for society and social interaction without fear..it very well could be a simple stepping stone for the beginning of a peaceful co existence between two peoples who, right now, need jsut that. we shouldnt have to hear the same story and watch the same news forever regarding this. someday, a generation will grow up in gaza where a jew and muslim and a christian can all grow up together without harboring an unearned, unneeded, deep rooted hatred for each other. its happened everywhere else in the world.

eh..... one can only hope.

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seriously, im destined to help this species in a great manner. and i dont mean creating a strand of weed via cross pollenation that is undetectable and incredibly potent. (movie?)

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[quote=thesightless]hey, listen, and hear me out on this. it might take you a minute to understand why and how.

the more im reading about the lebanon shit, the more i notice that thier government isnt getting up in rhetoric, but actually seems OK with allowing isreal to rid them of this vile element of its population. they called off their army, pulled it north, and isnt even sending a lot of aid into the region outside of helping evacuations.

now, remember last year. what it took to get syria out of lebanon. and the reaction of the lebanese people in regards to the assassinations afterwards.

then, for the last two days, trucks with explosives and weapons have been destroyed by the IAF coming in from syria. syria is openly showing its hand in attacking lebanon. while the attack does not come from the front line, it comes from the back, via support, weapons, money and supplies.

does anyone think that it might serve international interests of long term peace, and democracy in the region if lebanese government and isreali government simply come to a basic agreement to defend the region as a whole, if only for a short time, from terrorist and extremist elements that are funded by foreign relgious leadershp under the guise of government.

ie. what if they got together and agreed to fight this one 2 fronts. lebanese military could initiate a response to those in syria which elect to continually send aramants into hezbollahs hands. while isreal, takes on the lebanese based hezzie's whoa re currently fighting them.

it actually accomplishes much, while allowing both governments to act in defense of their citizens, it shows a stronger attitude toward peace, and also shows that two of the stronger democracies(syria's being jsut that and nothing more quite yet, YET) will unite and work for a common goal. also the addition of lebanon into the so called war on terror would garner much sympathy from a much needed group of people. the muslim population. no one wants to see thier own people attacked or do the attacking, so if a larger contingent of the muslim population, especially one that has yet to have US military in its backyard, shows a desire to voice up towards peace and democracy, it can only help spread those ideals which, i personally think, that a lot of the people in the middle east want, but are either afraid or unmotivated to speak.

and in regards to iranian interference, let them jump in. because the UN and the current nations with military in the region, wouldnt hesitate to remove a man who has already violated millions of people of thier human rights, forcing people to wear identification based on religion. remember the last time people had to do that.

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also, at the basic human need for society and social interaction without fear..it very well could be a simple stepping stone for the beginning of a peaceful co existence between two peoples who, right now, need jsut that. we shouldnt have to hear the same story and watch the same news forever regarding this. someday, a generation will grow up in gaza where a jew and muslim and a christian can all grow up together without harboring an unearned, unneeded, deep rooted hatred for each other. its happened everywhere else in the world.

eh..... one can only hope.[/quote]Well, the more you read, the more you start making sense Sean. :RockOn:

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[quote=thesightless]seriously, im destined to help this species in a great manner. and i dont mean creating a strand of weed via cross pollenation that is undetectable and incredibly potent. (movie?)[/quote]Who are you talking about? The Israelis? The Lebaneze? Or were you just too drunk again to post in the right thread?:lol:

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this is disgusting. [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5190902.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5190902.stm[/URL]

more and more, i think bush just misspelled the word and we should have fought iran , not iraq. they arent even trying to think about peace, just trying to drum up a few million people's support for a genocide.

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I think in more recent days my side value has change with Lebanon and not with Israel, and perhaps it is because of the "disproportionate" actions. Here are my factors:

• Israel is crippling a country and not Hezbollah
• "disproportionate" attacks. "I ate your candy, so you go kill my family"
• In more recent days has actually invaded Lebanon, not any more a campaign to weed out the bad guys, but actually an invasion. .
• Military targets as from photos, video and an interesting report from CNN, looked like more apartments, not military installations. I have a few issues with that.
• this photo triggered my recourse in thought and feeling. it's a dead child in the middle of no where. please note all the military power and strength around the target, but please do not overlook the dead child.

[IMG]http://www.dibec.com/kid_2.jpg[/IMG]

summary. perhaps i am upset because it reminds of my two year old daughter, and i think of all the countless other daughters that have been killed because of this attack. killed because grown men are fighting over lines in sand, for iconic values, and most of all because of hate and justification to spill each other's blood. that is what is going on there. There is no evident reason this is going on. It's a bunch of ticked off people on both sides of the picket fence that do not want to see peace but rather the other side's blood. i feel disgusting. final answer.

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@ Sean. I think your idea of an Israili and Lebonnese alliance is brilliant. It would be a major step towards lasting peace. If nothing more, help silince those who look at this as strictly one religion trying to wipe out the other.

@ASDF Do you think the Hezzies want to bring in CNN to show all their destroyed military targerts? To have it shown that the IDF's attacks are being effective? No of course not. They want the pictures of killed civilians to be broadcast in an attempt to garner support for their cause.

And you idea of disproportionate attacks? So the IDF should just fire a few missles back into Lebannon and maybe kidnap a person or two... which would accomplish nothing militarily, do nothing to harm the Hezzies, do nothing to remove them from power, do nothing to prevent future violence....thats a great idea.

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threehills, I though that as well in the start of this fight. but as of late, the stats will show otherwise. Last time I check was over 300 people have died on the Lebanon side, and about 30 on the Israeli. Lebanon is weak, and fragile. Israel is very strong with military power, perhaps one of the strongest in the region, actually it is. Lebabon is not a power house country, and surely Hezbollah is not. 20% is in the parliment for Lebanon. You start adding in all these numbers, and you really start to see a weight difference.

Of course I am aware of propaganda. But honestly it's that photo from above that has changed my view. It does not lie.

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i hear you, a parents love for thier child supercedes everything else and is essentially the reason you continue to bear the responsibility of a job, house, food, etc. but remember in the back of your mind, that this is not an enemy who wears a uniform and follows the internationally agreed laws of combat, but rather, it is a shadow, one that lurks within the population. the hezzbollah and hamas and al queada groups do not have bases, but houses, they do not have training facilites, they have backyards. and for years, with the assistance of governments and wealthy people with agendas, they have grown to a disturbing proportion.

dominick. i completly understand where you are coming from, but think again, if your neighbor was hezbollah militant, and he had a family. if he was breeding hate, trying to murder innocents, or supplying a bomb manufacturing facility or an ammor storage wharehouse, would it really be hard to contemplate what he has brought upon his family? and furthermore, if they were bombed, who is truly to blame? the people who are defending themselves against him, or him, the instigator?

also, if the Oregon government was unable to stop his work, and say his target was a canadian village over the border, and he was receiving his supplies via an airport with corrupted employees, can you blame the oregon gov't if they step back and allow canada to cut his supply lines while looking for his actual location? its a lot of hypotheticals, but they are happening, just not in our backyard yet.

as vile as the situation is over there, everyone needs to step back and empathize both groups. in the end, whether we agree or not, we all need to understand where all this comes from, in all ways. historically, socially, politically, and militarily.

there is no age limit on the terrorist organizations. hamas is actually known to send in thier own children with bombs on thier backs. two were captured in isreal last year. they didnt blow themselves up. however, after the events post-capture, the children actually stayed in isreal, then were sent to europe to be schooled and cared for since thier parents were so willing to send thier children to death because of thier own hatred.

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[QUOTE]The Lebanese Minister of Defense warned Israel Thursday that if IDF ground forces are sent into southern Lebanon, Lebanese troops will fight along with the Hizbullah against Israel.[/QUOTE]

fucking wonderful. yeah more death. kill. kill. kill!:Puke Pon:

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[QUOTE]dominick. i completly understand where you are coming from, but think again, if your neighbor was hezbollah militant, and he had a family. if he was breeding hate, trying to murder innocents, or supplying a bomb manufacturing facility or an ammor storage wharehouse, would it really be hard to contemplate what he has brought upon his family? and furthermore, if they were bombed, who is truly to blame? the people who are defending themselves against him, or him, the instigator?

also, if the Oregon government was unable to stop his work, and say his target was a canadian village over the border, and he was receiving his supplies via an airport with corrupted employees, can you blame the oregon gov't if they step back and allow canada to cut his supply lines while looking for his actual location? its a lot of hypotheticals, but they are happening, just not in our backyard yet.

as vile as the situation is over there, everyone needs to step back and empathize both groups. in the end, whether we agree or not, we all need to understand where all this comes from, in all ways. historically, socially, politically, and militarily.[/QUOTE]

i know Sean. and I completely understand bro. All the bullshit happens on both sides. Israel is no different then Hezbollah at this moment and I reference that in the sense of what is the final outcome ... death. I guess my main point that I am trying to convey that both sides are equally as bad. and from the most recent headline, looks like shit just got deeper. so wonderful.

like i said. KILL KILL KILL KILL!

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in regards to the lebanese gov't sending in the troops...

while thier defense minister says this, the gov't is quite split on how to deal with it. most of the gov't is opting to allow isreal to handle te dirty work. so take it with a grain of salt for the next few hours/days. isreal may very well become over agressive, and then they have every right to react. but as we speak right now, they are doing the right thing. they are allowing themselves to essentially subcontract out a police force that can handle the work they cannot. as davetlv gave us before... [url]www.thereligionofpeace.com[/url] , while heavily biased, does indeed document every attack that the people, not the militaries of the region, bring upon innocent people. there are more than i ever could have imagined. if a gov't realizes that it is incapable of handling a situation that is this bad, it may very well be in the best long term interests of every human in the area that this happens.

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and this isnt even the worst part of it. just wait until someone does something extremely dumb and iran and/or syria become involved. it will spread like wildfire and become extremely violent.

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i guess am i sick of seeing blood being spilled. point and point on both sides.

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[QUOTE]and this isnt even the worst part of it. just wait until someone does something extremely dumb and iran and/or syria become involved. it will spread like wildfire and become extremely violent.[/QUOTE]

yeah. that is what i am worried about. very fragile.

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alas, like said on the previous page, let iran become involved mlitarily. there isnt a member nation within the UN outside of a few middle eastern countries that wouldnt hesitate to bring a vast might of a united military operation upon iran. they would love to rid the world of amenijhad (spelling i know) and the puppet master ayatollahs who seek to send this world into a dark age, regressing human and religous rights, quieting science in the name of faith, and willing to violently exert thier viewpoints and influence upon groups who disagree.

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It sucks to see dead kids, but when the enemy hides among them, that's going to be the result. That truck in the background could have been full of explosives en route to a Hezbollah hideout for all we know. I don't get caught up in heart-wrenching pictures like that because we just don't know the circumstances behind that child's death. I wouldn't put it pass those bastards to blow up the truck with the kid and his family in it, then take a picture and post in the internet to say "Look what Israel is doing!!!" We just don't know.

If anything I blame the kids parents for not doing anything to try and drive out these extremists before it got to this point.

Re: Are we on the brink of WWIII ?

[quote=evangelion]It sucks to see dead kids, but when the enemy hides among them, that's going to be the result. [B]That truck in the background could have been full of explosives en route to a Hezbollah hideout for all we know.[/B] I don't get caught up in heart-wrenching pictures like that because we just don't know the circumstances behind that child's death. I wouldn't put it pass those bastards to blow up the truck with the kid and his family in it, then take a picture and post in the internet to say "Look what Israel is doing!!!" We just don't know.[/quote] Hokey, maybe it's because some people don't want to read it, or maybe it's because it got read over, so I'll say it for the third time this week (this time in a larger font, maybe it'll stick that way)

[SIZE=4][COLOR=Orange][B]The blown up van in the picture wasn't an army truck and neither was it loaded with explosives or any logisitical support for Hezbollah. It was a truck which was evacuating civilians out of a (Hezbollah stronghold) village which was being bombarded.[/B] [/COLOR]

[/SIZE]Now as for the reason it got hit, I'd like to give the IAF the benefit of the doubt rather than to go shout slogans against them. I can't imagine that Israelis would deliberately unleash hellfire and damnation on a van if they knew it was packed with kids.

I talked with a friend of mine on the phone today who's a journalist working for the Belgian TV in Lebanon. He had just visited the Shiite part of Beirut and he was devastated from what he had seen there. In a week time the entire neighbourhood was completely leveled. He agreed that there were Hezbollah militants living in the blocks, but so did hundreds of thousands of civilians. I must say that I was quite shocked by his reaction because he's often on mission in war zones (like Iraq for instance), but he said he had never seen such devastation on a couple of square miles before in a war. To quote him: "Yes, this was Hezbollah territory, but Israel isn't targeting military structures at all in this part of Beirut. It's clear that this is a collective punishment since civilian targets are being."

Now you could argue that Hezbollah has always specialised in guerilla tactics and that this makes it hard to strike them, but the fact of the matter is that all survivors have left the area while Hezbollah militants are still there.

I'm changing not my opinion that Israel should go ahead and wipe Hezbollah out, but I'm becoming quite critical on how this is done. Like I said before, Hezbollah plays the guerilla card and you can't break that kind of resistance by using brute force. If you doubt that, you should ask the Russians about their ventures in Afganistan...

After a week or so, I haven't heard one single declaration about the progress or status of the mission. What I do know is that [B]1 Lebaneze out of 6 is[/B] on the run for the violence now and that hospitals are almost out of supplies. Fortunately Israel has agreed on coridors for the safe passage of civilians.

Nevertheless, I'm starting to ask myself whether Israel will win this war using the current strategy. I'm not a military expert, so I'm not going to pretend I know the alternative. However, my fear is that this is turning into a humanitarian catastrophy. That would ONLY benefit Hezbollah as they prey on these things in order to get more support...

[quote=evangelion]If anything I blame the kids parents for not doing anything to try and drive out these extremists before it got to this point.[/quote]I'm sorry to say it this bluntly, but you're being naive Evangelion, it's less simplistic than you think. Go back a few pages and you'll find a link to an overview of the (recent) history of Lebanon. If you go over it, you'll get a general idea of the complexity of the situation...

As a general remark, I think everybody is entitled to have an opinion and to share it. On the other hand - and I don't want to be arrogant - I think with regard to this crisis it's not enough to be aware of the current events. Read up about the region, about the past conflicts and about the stakeholders (like a lot of people posting here already started doing) before you stampede through this thread...