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[quote=thesightless]alas, like said on the previous page, let iran become involved mlitarily. there isnt a member nation within the UN outside of a few middle eastern countries that wouldnt hesitate to bring a vast might of a united military operation upon iran. they would love to rid the world of amenijhad (spelling i know) and the puppet master ayatollahs who seek to send this world into a dark age, regressing human and religous rights, quieting science in the name of faith, and willing to violently exert thier viewpoints and influence upon groups who disagree.[/quote]I'm sure a lot of statesmen have wet dreams about that and it would free the world of a lot of shit. But I'm also sure that if it was as simple as you present it, the Iranian nuclear programme would be long burried. Don't forget Russia and China (both permanent members of the Security Council) still have good (oil fueled) relations with Teheran.

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Didn't you just say everyone is entitled to their opinion?? Funny how when I express mine I'm being "naive evangelion" again. Double standard, maybe?? I don't remember being "naive evangelion" for the first time, but whatever.

Oh and I'm "stampeding" through this thread?? I could have swore I was being a civil, active contributer. Of course all of that changes when I say something you don't agree with. To that I give you a big fat :roll:.

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[quote=evangelion]Didn't you just say everyone is entitled to their opinion?? Funny how when I express mine I'm being "naive evangelion" again. Double standard, maybe?? I don't remember being "naive evangelion" for the first time, but whatever.

Oh and I'm "stampeding" through this thread?? I could have swore I was being a civil, active contributer. Of course all of that changes when I say something you don't agree with. To that I give you a big fat :roll:.[/quote]

1. I still think you're entitled to have your opinion yes. But that doesn't mean I have to agree with it (and vice versa). And as far as I know I haven't told you to stfu...

2. As far as I know I haven't said that you ARE naive. I only said you WERE BEING naive by saying that one thing you said about the parents. So read it as "imo you've made a naive statement", that's what I meant. Maybe I've expressed myself poorly.

3. I didn't say you were stampeding through this thread at all. It was a [B]general[/B] remark not an attack and certainly not a personal one.

4. You not agreeing on something doesn't change anything in a negative way. Hell, this thread would be boring as hell if everyone had the same opinion ;)

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I thought you meant I was being "naive evangelion"...like a title or something. :lol:

Situation resolved. :Bingo:

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Nice post Kinkl'y t'winkly, smart you are. ;)

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[QUOTE]Its campaign has killed at least 312 people in Lebanon, the vast majority civilians, and displaced hundreds of thousands. At least 29 Israeli troops and civilians have been killed.[/QUOTE]

disproportionate.

[url]http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060721/2006-07-21T001335Z_01_L11538533_RTRIDST_0_NEWS-MIDEAST-DC.html[/url]

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[quote=KinKyJ]

[SIZE=4][COLOR=Orange][B]The blown up van in the picture wasn't an army truck and neither was it loaded with explosives or any logisitical support for Hezbollah. It was a truck which was evacuating civilians out of a (Hezbollah stronghold) village which was being bombarded.[/B] [/COLOR]

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Just playing devil's advocate, but like Evangelion said, how do you know this? Do you have a source on the ground that saw them loading up the van? Did this source check out the van to make sure there was no explosives on it? I'm not saying it wasn't just evacuating civilians, but no one can really be sure, unless they were there first hand. For all you really know, that dead baby could have been photoshopped into the picture.

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[quote=asdf_admin]disproportionate.

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How can Israiel have a measured response and achieve anything? Where in life does a proportionate response work well? Hezbollah must be made to understand that any transgression will result in a ten fold response, else they will not be discouraged from repeating their transgressions in the future.

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and can we add in the isreali casualties that occured before the reaction. im sure they mount in the hundreds.

as of right now, isreal is ammassing a troop buildup on the border. and suddenly, lebanese leadership is opening thier mouth. also, im kinda scared when the fuckwad cleric who runs this evil group says "we have surprises in store''. ehhh.

my father and my boss both think there is going to be a massive large scale, high powered bombing within isreal in the upcoming weeks, so much so, that my boss has brought his family over to america for awhile.

even more frightening, but without merit [I][U]yet[/U][/I] is that a few people are talking about how iran was at NK's missle test. NK has nukes. and an equal hatred of democracy and progression. gah, could you imagine if iran quietly gave a small yeild weapon to hezzbollah.

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[QUOTE]How can Israiel have a measured response and achieve anything? Where in life does a proportionate response work well? Hezbollah must be made to understand that any transgression will result in a ten fold response, else they will not be discouraged from repeating their transgressions in the future.[/QUOTE]

Those are stats as in facts. and they are disproportionate. stats do not lie my friend.

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speak softly and carry a big stick. - theodore roosevelt.

if they dont react harshly, they invite more. a slap on the wrist never deterred anyone. you stopped doing bad things when you got the belt. let isreal use a big belt IMHO. this is so old.

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motherfucker. pardon my language. but..... [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5204212.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/5204212.stm[/URL]

when can the world simply step up and let these fucking clerics who are waging thier personal wars know that innocents will no longer be stepped on becuase a fucking mosque has accumulated weapons stores. this shit is old. and the muslims needs to step up and stop these people from doing thier personal bidding the name of a religion.

seriously. i know the US shouldnt be stepping in unless requested from the UN or ethiopia / somalia, but where the fuck is the UN? god it is the most defunct organization on the planet. ENRON was run better and more effective.

and so it spreads.

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[quote=threehills]Just playing devil's advocate, but like Evangelion said, how do you know this? Do you have a source on the ground that saw them loading up the van? Did this source check out the van to make sure there was no explosives on it? I'm not saying it wasn't just evacuating civilians, but no one can really be sure, unless they were there first hand. For all you really know, that dead baby could have been photoshopped into the picture.[/quote]

My thoughts exactly.

[quote=asdf_admin]Those are stats as in facts. and they are disproportionate. stats do not lie my friend.[/quote]

Another unknown stat is how many Hezbollah are hiding among the general populace in Beirut. Another stat is how many Israelis have been saved by having bomb shelters to take cover in. How many would have been killed if they didn't have them...hundreds at very least. I mean, Hezbollah is randomly shooting rockets into Israeli cities. Are any of these factors weighing into your stats? Yes, the death toll is very lop-sided, but I don't think Israel's actions are the sole reason.

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[quote=threehills]Just playing devil's advocate, but like Evangelion said, how do you know this? Do you have a source on the ground that saw them loading up the van? Did this source check out the van to make sure there was no explosives on it? I'm not saying it wasn't just evacuating civilians, but no one can really be sure, unless they were there first hand. For all you really know, that dead baby could have been photoshopped into the picture.[/quote]I heard the news of the van being hit on the radio. Happened a couple of days ago. The pics I found on a site which calls for the protection of civilians in Lebanon the same nights or the day after, can't say exactly.

Now if that van was packed with explosives, there wouldn't be anything left of it. So fake pic? Nah, I don't think so. Btw, they don't use PS but Corelbollah FatwaPaint ;)

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[COLOR=white]hahahahahahahahahahaha[/COLOR]

[COLOR=#ffffff][B]Bakri to British: "Rescue me, Infidels!"[/B]

Omar Bakri, as we have chronicled here, has long derided the British state and boasted that one day it would become an Islamic state. But in the meantime, can't the dirty kuffar help out a guy in trouble? Now, now, Omar. Shouldn't you stay in Lebanon to help direct the jihad against the Zionist Entity?

"Banned cleric barred from rescue ship," from [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/syria/story/0,,1825779,00.html"][COLOR=#993333]The Guardian[/COLOR][/URL], with thanks to all who sent this in:[INDENT]Exiled radical Islamic preacher Omar Bakri was turned away from a Royal Navy ship evacuating Britons from war-torn Beirut, it emerged today. The Muslim cleric, who left Britain for Lebanon abruptly in August last year, tried to board a British ship yesterday. He also claimed he wrote to the British embassy asking to be allowed to back on "humanitarian grounds".

[/INDENT][/COLOR]mind you, this is man who called for a jihad, told britian to be ready to become an islamic state.

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One of his quotes: "I would like to see the Islamic flag fly, not only over number 10 Downing Street, but over the whole world."

LMAO, I guess the Tottenham Ayatollah isn't that tough after all. Damn, is word gets out on the streets of Beirut that he wanted to flee on a British vessel, he's gonna be shish kebab :mrgreen:

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i find this pretty fucked up

[img]http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/uploads/19070602.jpg[/img]

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[img]http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/uploads/tv.jpg[/img]

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^^^ message received

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[quote=thesightless]speak softly and carry a big stick. - theodore roosevelt.

if they dont react harshly, they invite more. a slap on the wrist never deterred anyone. you stopped doing bad things when you got the belt. let isreal use a big belt IMHO. this is so old.[/quote]

Concur.

Cross-post from the Politics thread: [URL="http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2006-07-16-1.html"]http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2006-07-16-1.html[/URL]

Bears a bit of relevance, I think.

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[quote=KinKyJ]^^^ message received[/quote]

:shock: sure is lol

i find it god dam disturbing that kids are signing bombs that are killing people, those kids are growing up with a hate ingrained in them from an early age, thats fuckin harsh man, @ that rate the troubles/hate will never have a chance to die because generation after generation is just growing up with the same hate

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enough of the pics. if they didnt know by now to get out, they are either too dumb or hezzbollah supports and the world is better off. isreal has been dropping pamplets telling them what isreal was gonna do.

if you live in south florida on the beach in late summer, then usually you will go get a hotel inland if you know another katrina is gonna hit. if you stay.... well .... see above^

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[quote=red1]i find it god dam disturbing that kids are signing bombs that are killing people, [B]those kids are growing up with a hate ingrained in them from an early age[/B], thats fuckin harsh man, @ that rate the troubles/hate will never have a chance to die because generation after generation is just growing up with the same hate[/quote] Yeah, they also live in a part of the world that hates them before they are even born...and hates them only [B]for[/B] being born. Which is worse??

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to all those posting picts of kids dying in Lebanon, here's a little something to remind you that this IS the unfortunate side of war

[B][quote="CNN"] [B]Rocket attack kills 15-year-old girl in northern Israel, police and medics say. [/B] [/quote][/B]

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It bemuses me that all the attrocoties in African states (congo,sudan etc) that have been raging over tha past few years (and historically much longer) hardly get mentioned in western media - but as soon as its its Israel-Lebanon-Iran then its all over the place.

A child dieing due to conflict in the mideast is is no more or no less repugnant - than a child dieing in African states.

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Huggie, I agree, i also think that a child should not be executed. . . . however some disagree with me on that one.

It seems that for some on this planet religious observance is far more important than human life :x :x :x

[B]HANGED FROM A CRANE AGED 16

JUSTICE IRAN STYLE: SICK GIRL EXECUTED BY JUDGE SHE DEFIED Her crime? She had sex with an unmarried man[/B]

By Susie Boniface IT WAS exactly 6am and the start of another blisteringly hot summer day when 16-year-old Atefeh Rajabi was dragged from her prison cell and taken to be executed.

Every step of the way the troubled teenager plagued by mental problems shouted "repentance, repentance" as the militiamen marched her to the town's Railway Square.

The Iranian judge who had sentenced Atefeh to death was left unmoved as he personally put the noose around her neck and signalled to the crane driver.

Kicking and screaming, Atefeh was left dangling for 45 minutes from the arm of the crane as the crowd sobbed and - under their breath - damned the mullahs.

Atefeh's crime? Offending public morality. She was found guilty of "acts incompatible with chastity" by having sex with an unmarried man, even though friends say Atefeh was in such a fragile mental state that she wasn't in a position to say no.

But Judge Haji Rezaii was determined she should hang, regardless of the rules of international law which say only adults over 18 can be executed, and that the courts have a duty to children and the mentally ill.

The brutal end to Atefeh's short life has shone a new light on Iran's Shariah law, where adultery, theft and rape all carry the same punishment - death. Officially around 100 people - some just children like Atefeh - are executed each year. But human rights groups say the true figure could be much higher in a country where only half of the women can read, only one in 10 have a job and two-thirds are beaten in their homes.

[url]http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=17431866&method=full&siteid=62484&headline=hanged-from-a-crane-aged-16--name_page.html[/url]

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45 mins eh? Damn strong neck those Iranians have...

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also note that oover a dozen iranian soldiers were killed in southern lebanon and thier bodies were taken back to iran.........

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[quote=Huggie Smiles]It bemuses me that all the attrocoties in African states (congo,sudan etc) that have been raging over tha past few years (and historically much longer) hardly get mentioned in western media - but as soon as its its Israel-Lebanon-Iran then its all over the place.

A child dieing due to conflict in the mideast is is no more or no less repugnant - than a child dieing in African states.[/quote]

Two arguments here - take your pick:

1: It is fair that a British (French, German, American, etc, etc) media service should target it's reporting at issues that most affect its readers and viewers, and I think it's safe to say that the Israel-Lebanon conflict has more potential to affect the western world than a war in Central Africa (no I'm not saying so therefore it's of no importance at all). Other wars aren't left unreported, but, no, they're not splashed daily across our newspapers.

2: Those little countries in the middle of Africa don't have [COLOR=red][B]OIL[/B][COLOR=white] or [/COLOR][B]NUKES[/B][/COLOR]. Also, their royal families don't own huge amounts of American stock. Some of the Arab countries that Isreal is getting itself involved in do. Enough said!

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that and the fact that they have absolutely nothing to offer any other country. i mean nothing. there arent any economies to invest, no national products, no strategic value. all they offer is a giant mess of political , enviornmental, and humanitarian disasters.

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i have surgury at 2pm, and afterwards, there is a few things i need to mention here. so stay tuned.

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^^^ That and an endless supply of people to torture, burn, rape, maim and kill.

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[quote=KinKyJ]45 mins eh? Damn strong neck those Iranians have...[/quote]

Pratt. . . . :roll: :roll: :roll:

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yesterday, our almost equally unesteemed leader AKA john 'i have no clue' kerry was interviewed. and i swear..... the location : honest john's cafe in mighigan (doesnt he have constiuents?) the line of the day : if i were president, there would be no mideast conflict. (oh yeah, so you can wipe a half a millenia of hatred through a few months of diplomacy can ya?)

then.... it gets even better. and goes to show you bush might actually be the lessor of two evils... he says and i quote ''hezzbollah must be destroyed.''

sooo.... you wouldnt be in a conflict, but you would destroy hezzbollah,, how i ask..

maybe through UN peacekeepers? who are never put in a position where they need to keep peace, but rather, take thier check from brussels and go pick up a 16 yr old hooker.

the US military>? but wait. you are against the war. or are you for it>

international groups?

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[quote=red1][URL="http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/uploads/tv.jpg"][IMG]http://www.b0g.org/wsnm/uploads/tv.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/quote]

Sorry, what does a picture of a guy who got drunk and then got antiqued by his friends have to do with anything? :D

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[quote=Huggie Smiles]It bemuses me that all the attrocoties in African states (congo,sudan etc) that have been raging over tha past few years (and historically much longer) hardly get mentioned in western media - but as soon as its its Israel-Lebanon-Iran then its all over the place.

A child dieing due to conflict in the mideast is is no more or no less repugnant - than a child dieing in African states.[/quote]

No one in the west cares becuase they are only killing each other with guns and knives. Bring nukes into the equation and the west will start caring.

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lastly for now.

funny, anyone notice that after iran lied to the EU for years, finally, the EU beleived the US that iran is funding a nuke programme. how long does it take for the world to beleive that iran is fueling this war as much as hezzbollah? they already have soldiers die in lebanon, iranian weapons are being used, and supply convoys are being sent through syria....

no negotiations are going to help. this has now become, if you include iraq, hezz, hamas, somalia, and kashmir,.... become, a war to the end. like japan and germany, it iss going to take an unconditional surrender.

if we allow the worlds leadership to negotiate with liars, it will only delay this for another 20 years, and allow these groups to re-arm. we negotiated in the past with iran, iraq, syria, etc... where did it get us

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[B][COLOR="Red"]WWIII ! ! ! ! ! GET YOUR GUNS OUT IT'S KILLING TIME ! ! ! ! WHOO-RA! [/COLOR][/B]

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^^^^^^^ like the WMD that were found in Iraq , the US always does this propaganda before attacking any country, they did that in the First Gulf War in 1990 and they claimed that Saddam's army ( after he invaded Kuwait ) was the world's fourth biggest army in the world, the Iraq invasion in 2003 was founded for Oil and your goverment said that Iraq has WMD and at the end none were found.

You think that the states or Isreal really will let Iran develope a nuclear arm with out doing anything , my friend the day they are 100% sure they will bomb Iran with out the help on anyone. Isreali air Force against the Iraqi nuclear reactor ( don't remember which year it was in the 80's) rings a bell. Iran doesn't have the nuclear weapon.

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I've got my guns out!

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