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[quote=Morgan]Europe would kick the US ass, the french would nuke you and take the result rather than live under the rule of an American, Germans yes, yanks no! But seriously chap, a Europe United would be an equal match for the US of A, we'd even have the home advantage over you![/quote]

:Bingo:

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edited out. i dont want to hijack this. neither shoudl you guys, keep it about the seriousness of the terrible events going on. ill start a pissing contest thread in politics. edit out your stuff.

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you and morgan must be smoking the same crack pipe.

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[quote=Jenks]crack[/quote]

:lol:

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jenks, take it over to politics please. this, unfortunetly, is quite serious, as a few of us are either there, or have family there, or friends. just wannna cut off the BS b4 it gets going.

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[quote=thesightless]jenks, take it over to politics please. this, unfortunetly, is quite serious, as a few of us are either there, or have family there, or friends. just wannna cut off the BS b4 it gets going.[/quote]

....says the biggest bullshit source on the board :what

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ur right, but when i BS, it isnt about shit like this.

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[quote=chemicalbeavis]....says the biggest bullshit source on the board :what[/quote]

excellent point.

[quote=thesightless] this, unfortunetly, is quite serious, as a few of us are either there, or have family there, or friends.[/quote] master of the obvious. :roll:

fair enough tho, back on topic.

I find it odd that just two days ago there was talk of a cease fire, and Isreal even weakening their stance and giving a little to make that happen. And today, Isreal says the offensive will last weeks more, as now the ground troop offensive has begun. As much as i want this to end, i don't know if a cease fire gains anything when more violence is inevitable in the future over the same problems that have existed for decades.

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[quote=thesightless]MUCH respect to lebanese officials for ordering thier army to stand down and allowing isreal to get these violent groups out. i just learned about this, and actually, it garnered a lot of respect on my account that they arent reacting, but allowing this to go on, hopefully eliminating a group that would otherwise continue to wreak havoc on isreal and the rest of the region. weird, but yeah, i actually respect that they understand that they cant do it themselves, and someone finally got as pissed off as america with these cuntz. hard stances are the only way with criminal elements. now if only america could apply it to their criminal law ans sentencing.[/quote]Yep, good call from Lahoud. After former PM Hariri got blown up last year, I think it's quite brave too to sit back while Hezbollah is taking a beating.

You know, that's why I've been reacting so harshly about the civilian casualties and the "told ya so" mentality of some. Not because I'm anti Israel or something, but because after Hariri was killed, there were huge protests which forced Omar Karimi (the PM then) and his cabinet to resign and Syria to get their troops out of Lebanon. Imo it's kinda simplistic and way too easy to stigmatize the Lebaneze as Hezzie lovers...

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There just has been too much of a cycle of violence, cease fire, temporary peace then a slow build up of violence again over the past three decades. Maybe Isreal is ready for a long term battle (with the ground troops deployment) in order to squash the cycle once and for all.

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[quote=AntonyM]There just has been too much of a cycle of violence, cease fire, temporary peace then a slow build up of violence again over the past three decades. Maybe Isreal is ready for a long term battle (with the ground troops deployment) in order to squash the cycle once and for all.[/quote] I sometimes lean that direction as well, however, i doubt it will ever be squashed once and for all.
Radical Muslim vs. Jew isn't going to end any time soon (read: ever), and certainly not just by Isreal defeating Hezbollah, which brings me back full circle and maybe a diplomacy needs to be given a chance again, since it doesn't appear there will never be an agreement for both to coexist in the region.

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[quote=AntonyM]There just has been too much of a cycle of violence, cease fire, temporary peace then a slow build up of violence again over the past three decades. Maybe Isreal is ready for a long term battle (with the ground troops deployment) in order to squash the cycle once and for all.[/quote]Sure hope so. I think both Israel and Lebanon have seen too much bloodshed. The Israelian army got as far as Beirut in 1982 (be it with the help of the Christian armed forces), so I don't think they'll have a problem performing an encore in order to root out those fundamentalist criminals...

Speaking of which, maybe it wouldn't be such a bad idea to have the surviving Hezbollah leadership arrested and tried before a UN court (like The Hague) just like they did and are still doing with the Balkan war criminals...

-edit- For those interested in a readup on the recent history of Lebanon: [url]http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/lebanon/[/url]

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no, that would only waste time and money and put them on the front pages of every middle eastern newspaper, garnering them only more support and sympathy.

bullets are cheap and quick.

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I hear ya Jenks History definitely says total peace is a pipe dream Just read a couple of articles Appears Annan wants to send a UN coalition force to Lebanon Good idea or not?

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[quote=AntonyM] Appears Annan wants to send a UN coalition force to Lebanon Good idea or not?[/quote]

^for what? as peace keepers? laughable imo.

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Here's one of the stories Jenks

[URL="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/739495.html"]http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/739495.html[/URL]

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the minutemen patrolling america's border with mexico are a more formidable force than a UN batallion. and they are essentially a bunch of drunk hicks on quads.

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nice article. yet again. the dirty word comes through. iranian...........

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Apparently Anann feels They will be able to help stop the rocket attacks and secure Lebanon yet it feels more like a rubber stamp A "Yes" we are here for the good fight we are a viable coalition that should be respected Of course the defined role of the UN troops seems to be on the course of anywhere from Dirty Harry to Tiny Tim Depending on which country's spokesman you talk to, go figure. Go figure

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Here's a follow up

[URL="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=739352"]http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=739352[/URL]

Now Iran is ready for WW 3

[URL="http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Middle_East/0,,2-10-2075_1969772,00.html"]http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Middle_East/0,,2-10-2075_1969772,00.html[/URL]

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1. You cannot beat terror with terror.
2. The conditions in Gaza are not conducive to peace, if you live in a slum and are oppressed on a daily basis having your friends and family killed on a regular basis then i'm sure many people would strap a bomb on and head for the border.
3. The palsistinian politicians do not want peace.
4. Israel is cornered, beset on all sides. Cornered animals attack, why should humans be different.
5. A weak american president, not too bothered with peace imo, might be more interested if Iran joined in. imo ;)

Just a few reasons that peace is unlikey to appear anytime soon.

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i am falling in favor of a pair of words i always thought would i find evil.

pre-emptive strike.

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Hezbollah is an organisation born out of a legitimate sense of grievance- you dismantle this wihtout addressing the larger issue, and another will come up."

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what happened to your long winded post? edited eh?

at any rate, i wish we still had the ignore feature, for people like you who say dumbass shit like this

[quote=yggdrasil]you can go stick your holocaust up your jewish asses.[/quote]

:Die:

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[quote=thesightless]

pre-emptive strike.[/quote]

If we step in, this thing is fully on, are you ready for that? Keep in mind that you might have to go over....

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[quote=Jenks]

at any rate, i wish we still had the ignore feature, for people like you who say dumbass shit like this[/quote] User CP, bottom of left hand, Buddy/Ignore list.

Jeez, you mods know nothing nowadays :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

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Banned = better than Ignore

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[quote=Kobe]If we step in, this thing is fully on, are you ready for that? Keep in mind that you might have to go over....[/quote]

not us, we have meddled for far too long, but our country doesnt have to. let isreal do it.

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[quote=thesightless]not us, we have meddled for far too long, but our country doesnt have to. let isreal do it.[/quote]

You meddle and you never learn.

Bush wants Iran, any excuse imo and you'll all be having your call up papers (not jenks though)(or Poto)(or me!!)

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[quote=Morgan]You meddle and you never learn.[/quote]And you're obviously still a retard. Next. :RockOn:

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pointless

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[quote=beanzncheez]And you're obviously still a retard. Next. :RockOn:[/quote]And you're obviously still in need of attention. Please keep it serious and decent in this thread beanz. Or go sit at the kid's table. Next :RightOn:

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[quote=Kamal]^^^ Unreal man.... those people are the ones that are wanting to "wipe" another race off the planet and now they try and reach out to the "emotional" side of humanity....

if that isn't hypocrasy at its finest, we must be studying from different dictionaries.[/quote] [quote=Kamal]BS Jan and you damn well know that.... there are far worse atrocities from this war that I can google and paste pictures of in here. Bottom line, you can't pick ONE photo to point out right or wrong simply because [B]THIS [/B]is the consequence of a war they CHOSE to bring upon themselves.[/quote]

I'm glad you saw through that wanna-be tear jerker. Of course [B]no one[/B] has died from the rockets being shoved down Isreal's throat 100 times daily, only innocent Lebonese children. The Isrealis actually have those new kid-seeking missles, so that is all they are hitting. :roll: The Isrealis are using laser-guided weapons, Hezbollah is shooting unguided missles into residential areas. And Isreal is in the wrong??

The other side of the coin.

[URL="http://www.onefamilyfund.org/Portals/0/WWH_Pics/Terror_Today/Latest_Attacks/654/Rocket_House.jpg"][IMG]http://www.onefamilyfund.org/Portals/0/WWH_Pics/Terror_Today/Latest_Attacks/654/Rocket_House.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[URL="http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_16968_israel-rocket-13-7-2006.jpg"][IMG]http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_16968_israel-rocket-13-7-2006.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[URL="http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D140706/245katyusha130706giny.jpg"][IMG]http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D140706/245katyusha130706giny.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/07/17/image842fca04-7354-45bc-8d56-c4ae093e7142.jpg"][IMG]http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/07/17/image842fca04-7354-45bc-8d56-c4ae093e7142.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[URL="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41748000/jpg/_41748998_girl-ap-203body.jpg"][IMG]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41748000/jpg/_41748998_girl-ap-203body.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

[quote=KinKyJ]Tell ya what then, let's round up every Lebanese we can find, put them on a train and gas them. I bet Auschwitz still has some working collective "showers".[/quote] I'm trying my hardest to see what this has to do with anything. But I can't.

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[quote=AntonyM]Appears Annan wants to send a UN coalition force to Lebanon Good idea or not?[/quote]Gotta agree with Jenks' one liner.

Troops under the mandate of the UN are called peace keepers because that's what they do: keeping the peace, not enforcing it. The war in Bosnia provided a painful example of that when the Dutch UN soldiers who were supposed to protect the muslim enclave of Srebrenica got set aside by the Serb army who went in and massacred everyting with a heartbeat.

Maybe UN forces can do some good after the hostilities have stopped (humanitarian aid, police functions, and logistics for example like KFOR did/does in the Balkan).

As for interfering in the conflict: at this point that's a very bad idea imo because Iran (and probably Syria too) will see this as an excuse to go and "help their muslim brothers (again abuse of the religion) brutally attacked by the western dogs and zionist pigs." They'll even make it look like the international community (or the US or NATO) triggered a full scale war itself...

I'm sure Israel can handle this adventure without any interference. As long as there's no interference on the other side either, that is. Iran suddenly attacking Israel is imo a valid justification to have a formation of Stealths taking off from their base in Italy and dropping our best regards on Teheran...

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ok, enough with the pics, its a shame cameras werent around in the 600-700's when the war that forced the jews and christians out of the region. imagine what they did back then when in the 21st century they are hanging burning dimembering torturing people.

2001, the hands of 3 american soldiers who were captured but refused to convert. [URL="http://www.terrorists-suck.org/why_suck/images/hands_small.jpg"][IMG]http://www.terrorists-suck.org/why_suck/images/hands_small.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

somalia, two weeks ago. this is a coptic christian who fought against sharia. [URL="http://www.corpun.com/10088as.jpg"][IMG]http://www.corpun.com/10088as.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

theo van gogh, he made a movie with ayan hirsi. [URL="http://www.balder.org/articles/billeder/Theo-van-Gogh-Halal-Slagtet.gif"][IMG]http://www.balder.org/articles/billeder/Theo-van-Gogh-Halal-Slagtet.gif[/IMG][/URL]

couple of bodies in madrid. [URL="http://as.wn.com/i/a5/5c586d88af7597.jpg"][IMG]http://as.wn.com/i/a5/5c586d88af7597.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

these guys fell in love, guess what, they didnt break the knot.

[URL="http://beirut.indymedia.org/images/2005/07/2998.jpg"][IMG]http://beirut.indymedia.org/images/2005/07/2998.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

cartoons huh [URL="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Images/Danish_Embassy_Burns_in_Syria.jpg"][IMG]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Images/Danish_Embassy_Burns_in_Syria.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

show both sides.

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[quote=evangelion] [URL="http://www.onefamilyfund.org/Portals/0/WWH_Pics/Terror_Today/Latest_Attacks/654/Rocket_House.jpg"][URL="http://www.onefamilyfund.org/Portals/0/WWH_Pics/Terror_Today/Latest_Attacks/654/Rocket_House.jpg"][IMG]http://www.onefamilyfund.org/Portals/0/WWH_Pics/Terror_Today/Latest_Attacks/654/Rocket_House.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/URL]

[URL="http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_16968_israel-rocket-13-7-2006.jpg"][URL="http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_16968_israel-rocket-13-7-2006.jpg"][IMG]http://www.middle-east-online.com/pictures/big/_16968_israel-rocket-13-7-2006.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/URL]

[URL="http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D140706/245katyusha130706giny.jpg"][URL="http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D140706/245katyusha130706giny.jpg"][IMG]http://www.haaretz.com/hasite/images/iht_daily/D140706/245katyusha130706giny.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/URL]

[URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/07/17/image842fca04-7354-45bc-8d56-c4ae093e7142.jpg"][URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/07/17/image842fca04-7354-45bc-8d56-c4ae093e7142.jpg"][IMG]http://www.cbsnews.com/images/2006/07/17/image842fca04-7354-45bc-8d56-c4ae093e7142.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/URL]

[URL="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41748000/jpg/_41748998_girl-ap-203body.jpg"][URL="http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41748000/jpg/_41748998_girl-ap-203body.jpg"][IMG]http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41748000/jpg/_41748998_girl-ap-203body.jpg[/IMG][/URL][/URL] .[/quote]

your all missing a majour point here, these pictures could of easily came out of iraq or afghanistan, personally i find it funny that such a fuss has been made about it when its not a western civilisation that has been doing this but then again you wont be shown this by the media if it were british or american troops responsible for it, it makes you think about how selfish in a way the western civilisation is as a whole, if we were to see this and know the people were responsible for it were to be from the western hemisphere ( or what ever ) you would look @ it in a different light. :|

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Kinky, I agree with you (I know, i'm suprised too!), Israel can take care of this one, the only question is whether the so-called west will allow us to.

Hizbollah and Hamas are hell bent on the destruction of not only my country but Lebanon and Palestine as well.

Hizbollah and Hamas, those two go together as well as their two sponsers Syria and Iran.

This level of fundamentalism, as opposed to Palestinian nationalism because there is a huge difference, started to raise its ugly head after the Iranian revolution. Maybe its time that the head of the snake was finally removed.

Jordan, Egypt and many of the Gulf States will be quietly cheering if that is the case, as they are all petrified of thier own fundamentalist.

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[quote=evangelion] I'm glad you saw through that wanna-be tear jerker. Of course [B]no one[/B] has died from the rockets being shoved down Isreal's throat 100 times daily, only innocent Lebonese children. The Isrealis actually have those new kid-seeking missles, so that is all they are hitting. :roll: The Isrealis are using laser-guided weapons, Hezbollah is shooting unguided missles into residential areas. And Isreal is in the wrong??[/quote]No one said Israel is in the wrong. No one said that there were only casualties on Lebaneze side.

You should keep in mind that being critical isn't the same as being against. I used to work as a journalist so call it a occupational illness of mine to question everything...

And I didn't post those pics to make an anti-Israelian statement. I just wanted to give everyone who was talking about this crisis as if it were a videogame a reality check by showing what is happening on the terrain. If you go back a few pages, you'll see that it isn't the first time I make a post about the humanitarian side of the story.

Yes, Dave posting those pics of Israelian girls writing messages on the bombs triggered my response. But only because it shocked me. Kids should be kept as far away as possible from violence. Especially in a country where I can imagine growing up normally not very obvious when you've got suicide bombers or Kartucha missiles on the menu nearly non stop...

[quote=evangelion] I'm trying my hardest to see what this has to do with anything. But I can't.[/quote]Don't worry, it seems that I've expressed myself poorly since a lot of people took it the wrong way. I was just being hyper sarcastic towards the people who were saying that the civilian population should bear the consequence of electing Hezbollah. To me that sounded a bit like an excuse for a genocide, like the life of a Lebaneze is worth less than another life... To wrap it up: it sounded a but like the Nazi discours. That's the link... Nothing more, nothing less.

I think everyone here knows me well enough not to accuse me of antisemitism or racism...

Right, let's get back on topic now, shall we? ;)

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[quote=Morgan]You meddle and you never learn.

Bush wants Iran, any excuse imo and you'll all be having your call up papers (not jenks though)(or Poto)(or me!!)[/quote]

Have to go with Sightless on this If anything the US would offer military weaponery. Iraq is the main course right down and when they get the Iraqi army self reliant, we will take them and our troops a bit further east.