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[quote=evangelion]I've been serching for those words for years. Thanks Kamal. ;)[/quote]

Hope that wasn't intended to be sarcastic (damn interweb)

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And what if it was?? :evil:

:D

No way, dude...not at all.

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just making sure.... ;)

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[quote=KinKyJ]At this moment, the discussion about who's right and who's wrong isn't relevant at all. It doesn't matter from which side the missiles are fired or where bombs are being dropped. What matters is that on both sides there are civilian casualties. It's not Israel nor Hezbollah who is taking the losses, but the people in Lebanon as well as in Israel. People who have nothing to do with the conflict, but suddenly wake up to find their house or place of business destroyed or even worse, realise they're never going to see friends or relatives again.[/quote]

Jan, I have to disagree to a certain extent with this because in most cases, people in power will converge the mindset of a region based on their own agendas, what's worse when democractic elections are held are that the "innocent" people of a region are bringing to power, a government to carry out what pretty much everyone in the community is hoping to achieve. So innocence is a relative term here.

Moreover, whether innocent civillians or not, they stand to be affected by the consequences of it IF they are at war or IF they are not (because neighboring countries of Israel will continue their crap one way or another). Keeping quiet with radical people will definitely not go well. IMO its better to face a few casualties today than to have a never ending slow bleed and before you realize it, it's year 2257.

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[quote=Kamal]Jan, I have to disagree to a certain extent with this because in most cases, people in power will converge the mindset of a region based on their own agendas, what's worse when democractic elections are held are that the "innocent people of a region are bringing to power, a government to carry out what pretty much everyone in the community is hoping to achieve.[/quote]So it's like: I'm sorry lads, but you've voted for the wrong guys... Here, have a bomb or two. :shock:

[quote=Kamal]So whether innocent civillians or not, they stand to be affected by the consequences of it IF they are at war or IF they are not (because neighboring countries of Israel will continue their crap one way or another). Keeping quiet with radical people will definitely not go well. IMO its better to face a few casualties today than to have a never ending slow bleed and before you realize it, it's year 2257.[/quote] hums not much has changed, but they live under water :p

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[quote=KinKyJ]So it's like: I'm sorry lads, but you've voted for the wrong guys... Here, have a bomb or two. :shock: [/quote]

hey eating french fries is gonna give you a heart attack too, it just all comes with the territory boss.

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[quote=Kamal]

[B]"All Muslims may not be terrorists, but ALL terrorists are Muslims".[/B] .[/quote]

I think the folks in Northern Ireland may want to have a word with you Kamal :lol:

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:Who:

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[quote=asdf_admin][URL="http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/davidpostman/archives/2006/07/gingrich_says_its_world_war_iii.html"]http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/davidpostman/archives/2006/07/gingrich_says_its_world_war_iii.html[/URL][/quote]

Wow, just wow. That is beyond disturbing. Let's waltz right into WW3 to help our own short term political goals. That guy was always a fuck-wad, not surprized to see he still is.

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[quote=Kamal]hey eating french fries is gonna give you a heart attack too, it just all comes with the territory boss.[/quote]hail democracy :RockOn:

K, that's just too simplistic and you know it. You just don't go off killing civilians. No matter what fucker they've voted for, there still are humanitarian rights.

What the fuck are we doing anyway? Violating international law (invasion in Iraq), the Convention of Geneva (Abu Graib, Gitmo, secret CIA prisons in Europe) and now we're firing missiles on minibusses with civilians (just heard it on the news, 20 civilians casualties). What's next? Bombarding Red Cross camps? Killing babies in maternities?

We might use important sounding words like "justice" and "democracy" and such, but we've come to a point where our conscience and methods are just as dirty as those of our enemies...

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[quote=KinKyJ] You just don't go off killing civilians. No matter what fucker they've voted for, there still are humanitarian rights. [/quote]

[quote=KinKyJ] What the fuck are we doing anyway?[/quote]

when you say 'WE' i hope you mean, 'everyone' not just the US and it's allies. The World Trade center was a civilian target, or did you forget about that already? Not saying it's right, just saying, don't paint your picture with such a narrow brush.

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[quote=KinKyJ]hail democracy :RockOn:

K, that's just too simplistic and you know it. You just don't go off killing civilians. No matter what fucker they've voted for, there still are humanitarian rights.

What the fuck are we doing anyway? Violating international law (invasion in Iraq), the Convention of Geneva (Abu Graib, Gitmo, secret CIA prisons in Europe) and now we're firing missiles on minibusses with civilians (just heard it on the news, 20 civilians casualties). [B][U]What's next? Bombarding Red Cross camps? Killing babies in maternities?[/U][/B]

We might use important sounding words like "justice" and "democracy" and such, but we've come to a point where our conscience and methods are just as dirty as those of our enemies...[/quote]

More disagreements from my end Jan, innocent deaths are a consequnece of and not specifically targeted. It's just the nature of the beast bro...

And yes it is simplistic way of looking at things ..... heard of Occam's Razor ?

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the only terror act of recent years to NOT be on innocents is the USS Cole. every other one is against people who are simply trying to live, not bothering anyone. if they had balls, and didnt cower behind a religion, and attacked mlitary targets, then i might hate them a little less. but for the people who are having a beer at a nightclub in bali to the janiotr pulling in 35K a year in the WTC, they dont deserve this. and sadly, a lot of people are paying for it, maybe unneccessarily, maybe not.

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and jenks.

the narrow brush comment is exactly what im thinking. people tend to leve out a lot of facts in order to prove a few facts realted to thier point. i call this the michael moore syndrome. and for those who bring up history, they always act as if history began in 1939. its sad.

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[quote=thesightless]the only terror act of recent years to NOT be on innocents is the USS Cole. [/quote]

...and the Pentagon.

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and to the people who say isreal is wrong and the rest are right. then why is is iran's foreign minister and a small batallion of iranian troops currently in syria, offering military protection to the terror leadership hiding there. that whole region is looking for an excuse to jump into isreal, gaza, golan and west bank.

i include the pentagon in the 9/11 events. sorry. mis-communicated that.

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[quote=thesightless] i include the pentagon in the 9/11 events. [/quote]

Yeah, a lot of people do...and the Pentagon needs to be seperate. There are civilians working there, but it's still a military target.

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holy shit.

i never thought i would say this.

bush today, while beign caught for cursing on mic, actually said the single most viable thing from a politician. but hey, its only 1:50 pm.

cnn has the video up. his idea is right there, now lets take bets on how quickly rumsfeld or cheney can fuck it up. and fuck it up royally they will.

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yeah, i saw that as well.

he was really into that buttered roll too.

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Fuck Ya Bush's speech writers should take note that's the kind of candidness that the public wants The whole thing reminds me of lunchtime at the elementary school cafeteria Good find sightless

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and much respect to ehud ohlmert (spelling>?) for coming out and keeping it simple. he said the fighting will stop when the soldiers are returned. until then, its up to the people of palestine and lebanon to either deal with their own people bringing this upon them, or to step up and help stop this. either way, i just hope irans shithead keeps out of it. we all know he is just waiting in the shadows................... which, btw will be his biggest mistake. once he jumps in, 2 of the feircest military forces will descend upon his nation. and it wont be civil.

god, i hope everyone realizes that this shit needs to stop, and like today. there isnt any debate about it. give the soldiers back and isreal will withdraw. we can work from there, until then, no progress will be made unless you consider isreali mlitary strikes progress. i dont.:what

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oops, double post, sorry

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[quote=Jenks]

he was really into that buttered roll too.[/quote]

:CrackUp: :CrackUp: :CrackUp: :CrackUp: :CrackUp:

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I mentoined this in another post... but peace comes from war on a large scale. I say we just step aside and let this countries have at it with each other. Yes, many innocent will die. But from the carnage will come peace. There hasn't been war in Europe since WWII.

Never in the history of man has there been world peace. War is a part of our nature. Its enevitible, and its necessary. Like in the godfather, every ten years or so the families would go to the matresses, but peace and prosperity would rein in between.

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[quote=threehills]Never in the history of man has there been world peace. War is a part of our nature. Its enevitible, and its necessary. Like in the godfather, every ten years or so the families would go to the matresses, but peace and prosperity would rein in between.[/quote]

eerie how science fits into this, whaddya think jenks ??

[SIZE=3][QUOTE] The butterfly effect is a phrase that encapsulates the more technical notion of sensitive dependence on initial conditions in chaos theory.[B] Small variations of the initial condition of a dynamical system may produce large variations in the long term behavior of the system.[/B] This is sometimes presented as esoteric behavior, but can be exhibited by very simple systems: for example, a ball placed at the crest of a hill might roll into any of several valleys depending on slight differences in initial position. [/QUOTE] [/SIZE]

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right on kamal.

It will be interesting to see the data collected from these recent middle eastern events in the global consciousness project.

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[quote=Jenks]when you say 'WE' i hope you mean, 'everyone' not just the US and it's allies. The World Trade center was a civilian target, or did you forget about that already? Not saying it's right, just saying, don't paint your picture with such a narrow brush.[/quote]Dude, I was painbombing the place. With 'WE' I indeed meant 'everyone' not only the US. I know my examples were a bit centered around the US, but the entire international community shares a chunk of responsability.

@ sean: you're spot on about getting to a status quo and go on from there. And true, if Iran starts to get involved military, that's where the shit will hit the fan. So yeah, Israel will fight back and the US will join in.

But let's be realistic for a second: if Iran was so easy to take out, the US would've done so years ago instead of pumping weapons into Iraq and providing military training... Moreover, Bush has depleted a lot of potential in Iraq already.

My guess (and fear) is that if Iran joins the party or if there would be an attack on Israel, the US will not be able to hit back effectively (with conventional weapons). In that case the war will be knocking at the door of everyone of us since NATO will be mobilised.

@ threehills: that's all nice in theory, but I'd like to see you repeat that after you've returned from a warzone...

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the US, UK, france, germany, and whoever else deems it vital to the planet that we stop the fighting. frankly, i dont even care about the people anymore. lets just cut it off before someone gets really stupid and gives a warhead to either a terror organization or a country and the earth itself gets hurt. sounds kinda hippy, i know, but shit, its only one planet, we have drained it enough, lets leave everything we can to our kids.

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...............CNN just had thier beruit bureau cheif on and he made a fabulous point. right now, neither side has anything to gain by stopping. seriously they dont. hezzie loses all its ground in the arab community, and loses influence if they stop. isreal invites more, loses more life, and tempts its neighbors to become more and more aggressive in regards to attacks from terror groups if they do. but if either side actually wins, then the victor gains so much ground in the region.

again, lets just hope that it stays confined to the 3 major areas rather than hezzbollah handing the pair to iran and inviting a monster war.

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Any more word on the prisoners being given to Iran??

If Iran is in Syria right now, then the shit is about to hit. If uniformed Iranian soldiers go into Lebenon to join the fight against Isreal it really is shaping up to be a full-scale war and not just a battle.

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Hezbollah is Iranian funded and supported, that's enough to say that Iran is already involved, just as Isreal is US funded and supported, so in a way, the US and Iran are at war. Deep. lol.

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A message to Hizbollah from the children of Israel. . . . :lol:

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^Hatred bred at an early age in this conflict.:what

I saw on the news earlier today an interview with some random people in Lebanon. When the reporter asked them who they sided with, unanimously the vote was for Hezbollah, which is probably why the Lebanese govt hasn't been able to disarm them in the past- the public wants them there, just as the Palestinian people want Hamas in control. Very strange to me that the majority of the people over there want miliant islamic terrorists in the highest position of power. That's not a very good recipe for peace imo.

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[quote=Jenks]Hezbollah is Iranian funded and supported, that's enough to say that Iran is already involved[/quote] True, but using a proxy terrorist group is way different that having your uniformed regular army do the fighting.

[quote=Jenks]just as Isreal is US funded and supported, so in a way, the US and Iran are at war. Deep. lol.[/quote] Yeah, but Isreal is a real country with a real army. Hezbollah is nothing more than warm bodies to do the dying for Iran....so they don't have to.

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[quote=evangelion]Hezbollah is nothing more than warm bodies to do the dying for Iran....so they don't have to.[/quote]

An excellent description of the reality of the situation.

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Dave man-everything you've written the whole time I have been able to understand from the perspective of someone living in Israel and the cold realities of the tension and constant fighting and violence you are all exposed to all the time

but having kids sign munitions is fucking retarded

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[quote=alexfish333]Dave man-everything you've written the whole time I have been able to understand from the perspective of someone living in Israel and the cold realities of the tension and constant fighting and violence you are all exposed to all the time

but having kids sign munitions is fucking retarded[/quote]

Alex

Not sure when the pictures were taken, the to hizbollah with love was my addition; better have kids write on missiles then strap body belts full of explosives to their chest and send them through a checkpost though!

Sorry if they've offended.

David

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We often forget that Lebanon had a huge Christian population prior to the civil war. Heres a message from Brigitte Gabriel, a brave voice who refuses to be silent.

[quote] Thank you Israel

Dear Friends,

Thank you Israel By Brigitte Gabriel

For the millions of Christian Lebanese, driven out of our homeland, Thank you Israel, is the sentiment echoing from around the world. The Lebanese Foundation for Peace, an international group of Lebanese Christians, made the following statement in a press release to Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert concerning the latest Israeli attacks against Hezbollah:

We urge you to hit them hard and destroy their terror infrastructure. It is not [only] Israel who is fed up with this situation, but the majority of the silent Lebanese in Lebanon who are fed up with Hezbollah and are powerless to do anything out of fear of terror retaliation.

Their statement continues,

On behalf of thousands of Lebanese, we ask you to open the doors of Tel Aviv's Ben Gurion Airport to thousands of volunteers in the Diaspora willing to bear arms and liberate their homeland from [Islamic] fundamentalism. We ask you for support, facilitation and logistics in order to win this struggle and achieve together the same objectives: Peace and Security for Lebanon and Israel and our future generations to come.

The once dominant Lebanese Christians responsible for giving the world the Paris of the Middle East as Lebanon used to be known, have been killed, massacred, driven out of their homes and scattered around the world as radical Islam declared its holy war in the 70s and took hold of the country. They voice an opinion that they and Israel have learned from personal experience, which is now belatedly being discovered by the rest of the world.

While the world protected the PLO withdrawing from Lebanon in 1983 with Israel hot on their heals, another more volatile and religiously idealistic organization was being born: Hezbollah, the Party of God, founded by Ayatollah Khomeini and financed by Iran. It was Hezbollah who blew up the U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon in October,1983 killing 241 Americans and 67 French paratroopers that same day. President Reagan ordered U.S. Multilateral Force units to withdraw and closed the books on the marine massacre and US involvement in Lebanon February 1984.

The civilized world, which erroneously vilified the Christians and Israel back then and continues to vilify Israel now, was not paying attention. While America and the rest of the world were concerned about the Israeli / PLO problem, terrorist regimes in Syria and Iran fanned Islamic radicalism in Lebanon and around the world. Hezbollah's Shiite extremists began multiplying like proverbial rabbits out-producing moderate Sunnis and Christians. Twenty-five years later they have produced enough people to vote themselves into 24 seats in the Lebanese parliament. Since the Israeli pull out in 2000, Lebanon has become a terrorist base completely run and controlled by Syria with its puppet Lebanese President Lahood and the Hezbollah state within a state.

The Lebanese army has less than 10,000 military troops. Hezbollah has over 4,000 trained militia forces and there are approximately 700 Iranian Revolutionary Guards in Southern Lebanon and the Bekaa Valley. So why can't the army do the job? Because the majority of Lebanese Muslims making up the army will split and unite along religious lines with the Islamic forces just like what happened in 1976 at the start of the Lebanese civil war.

It all boils down to a war of Islamic Jihad ideology vs. Judeo Christian Westernism. Muslims who are now the majority of Lebanon's population, support Hezbollah because they are part of the Islamic Ummah-the nation. This is the taboo subject everyone is trying to avoid.

The latest attacks on Israel have been orchestrated by Iran and Syria driven by two different interests. Syria considers Lebanon a part of greater Syria. Young Syrian President Assad and his Ba'athist military intelligence henchmen in Damascus are using this latest eruption of violence to prove to the Lebanese that they need the Syrian presence to protect them from the Israeli aggression and to stabilize the country. Iran is conveniently using its Lebanese puppet army Hezbollah, to distract the attention of world leaders meeting at the G-8 summit in St. Petersburg, from its pursuit of nuclear weapons. Apocalyptic Iranian President Ahmadinejad and the ruling Mullah clerics in Tehran want to assert hegemony in the Islamic world under the banner of Shia Mahdist madness. Ahmadinejad wants to seal his place as top Jihadist for Allah by make good his promise to wipe Israel off the map.

No matter how much the west avoids facing the reality of Islamic extremism of the Middle East, the west cannot hide from the fact that the same Hamas and Hezbollah that Israel is fighting over there, are of the same radical Islamic ideology that has fomented carnage and death through terrorism that America and the world are fighting. This is the same Hezbollah that Iran is threatening to unleash in America with suicide bomb attacks if America tries to stop Iran from developing nuclear weapon. They have cells in over 10 cities in the United States. Hamas, has the largest terrorist infrastructure on American soil. This is what happens when you turn a blind eye to evil for decades, hoping it will go away.

Sheik Nasrallah, the head of Hezbollah, is an Iranian agent. He is not a free actor in this play. He has been involved in terrorism for over 25 years. Iran with its Islamic vision for a Shia Middle East now has its agents, troops and money in Gaza in the Palestinian territories, Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq. Behind this is this vision that drives the Iranian President Ahmadinejad who believes he is Allah's tool and facilitator bringing the end of the world as we know it and the ushering in of the era of the Mahdi. He has a blind messianic belief in the Shiite tradition of the 12th or hidden Islamic savior who will emerge from a well in the holy city of Qum in Iran after global chaos, catastrophes and mass deaths and establish the era of Islamic Justice and everlasting peace.

President Ahmadinejad has refused so far to respond to proposals from the U.S., EU, Russia and China on the UN Security Council to cease Iran's relentless quest for nuclear enrichment and weapons development program until August 22nd. Why August 22nd? Because August 22nd, coincides with the Islamic date of Rajab 28, the day the great Salah El-Din conquered Jerusalem. Ahmadinejad's extremists ideology in triggering Armageddon gives great concerns to the intelligence community.

At this point the civilized world must unite in fighting the same enemies plaguing Israel and the world with terrorism. We need to stop analyzing the enemies' differences as Sunni-Hamas or Shiite-Hezbollah, and start understanding that their common bond in their fight against us is radical Islam.

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^ That's encouraging. :what

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