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Agree on the latter point, but you see: there's 2 sides to it. some people just prefer to see one.

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this is really getting really ugly.

"Hezbollah guerrillas fire 700+ rockets at Israeli towns..." title from drudge.

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wow!

[QUOTE] Palestinians Stream in Through Egypt Jul 14 11:45 AM US/Eastern Email this story

RAFAH, Gaza Strip

Hundreds of people poured into the Gaza Strip from Egypt on Friday after Palestinians blew a hole in the border wall separating the two places, an Associated Press reporter at the scene said.

People carrying suitcases crossed into Gaza through the hole. Some walked through on crutches, others ran and walked.

The border has largely been closed since June 25 when Palestinian militants carried out a cross-border raid on a military outpost, killing two Israeli soldiers and capturing one. Hundreds of people have been stranded on the Egyptian side of the border, unable to get to their homes in Gaza. [/QUOTE]

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[quote=sono]when you invade countries, kill innocent people, break every international law possible, destroy people's houses, occupy land that doesn't belong to you then you have opened the mother of all floodgates.

what a hypocrite, you should be the last person to talk about aggression. Nobody does it better than Israel. What's a jewish country doing in the middle of 30 Arab countries. Go back to Germany or russia, it's where the majority of jews living in israel now came from.

It's nice having America on your side. Oh and by the way, do any of you americans know where billions of your tax money goes? Yes, you guessed it, NOT loans BUT donations to israel. Israel has no economy and relied on the US throughout its history to bankroll its existence in the middle east.

simple no?[/quote] The land that Israell sits on was controlled by the British and owned by wealthy Turkish land owners... The land was bought. That is why there are a bunch of 'Jews' in the middle of a bunch of Arab countries... Check your history in regards to the 6 Day War as well. A war that began over Egypt blokade of the Straits of Tiran. That is how Israel took control of Gaza, Golan Heights, the West Bank, and the Siani Penn.

Your inflamitor suggestion of "Go back to Germany or russia, it's where the majority of jews living in israel now came from" is ludicrous and has not factual basis since most of the Jews living in Israell were born there.. BTW, There are more Jews living in NYC than in Israel.

[quote=alexfish333[COLOR=white][FONT=Arial] And I found it a little bit sad to see Lance, someone I have respected as an artist for quite some time, start to lean to the right more and more with his theories. I[/FONT][/color][/quote] Its sad that I lean right and my opinion differs from yours? I am right leaning, is there something wrong with that? Doesn't seem to bother my friends, production partners and supporters who happen to be on the left. We just happen to disagree. I know with in the "music industry" I am a minority. I take pride in my djing and music.

The great thing about music is its ability to reach across borders and personal differences to communicate a shared human experience on the highest level. Sufi Izrat Kahn calls music the highest form of art. And I agree.

That said, I DO NOT expect you to tune into The Sound today at 3pm on [URL="http://www.protonradio.com"]www.protonradio.com[/URL] for my show b/c you don't respect my political views. ;)

have a good weekend everyone.

LC

UN Resolutions... Bush made a mistake that Regan would not have made. [URL="http://www.casi.org.uk/info/scriraq.html"]http://www.casi.org.uk/info/scriraq.html[/URL]

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Go right wingers! Whoo - Ra! ;)

I will tune in!

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shameless plug of sorts...

BTW, 3pm EST LOL

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1. im hateing the dirty word being dropped more and more in the last two days.... IRAN

2. lance you are 100% correct there. and alex and I are personal friends, but some people, especially around our circles of house music fans, producers, djs and reviewers, need to realize that people are different. i lean right on most issues outside of social policy, and i used to be chastized for it. just because some people lean a little republican doesnt even come close to meaning we are war mongering, oppressive followers of GW and his cronies. they make COBRA look nice. the world has never once been about peace love happiness. people just chose and contunue to choose to be two faced about choices. when the iraq shithole started everything was "its wrong, it evil, war is terrible", but all those people, whether you were politically or humenitarily motivated in your opinions opted to ignore all the things we were making right and all the things that were horrific outside of the daily CNN buzzwords.

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[quote=lancecashion] That said, I DO NOT expect you to tune into The Sound today at 3pm on [URL="http://www.protonradio.com"]www.protonradio.com[/URL] for my show b/c you don't respect my political views. ;) [/quote]

:lol: way to work that in there lance. lol.

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[quote=lancecashion]The land that Israell sits on was controlled by the British and owned by wealthy Turkish land owners... The land was bought. That is why there are a bunch of 'Jews' in the middle of a bunch of Arab countries... Check your history in regards to the 6 Day War as well. A war that began over Egypt blokade of the Straits of Tiran. That is how Israel took control of Gaza, Golan Heights, the West Bank, and the Siani Penn.

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Do you actually know what you are talking about?

The land was bought? :lol: that's a new one to me. I never read in a history book where it was said someone bought a country. Oh, and your history backlog starts in 1967? interesting.

Israel has no rights over East jerusalem, Gaza strip, West bank, Golan heights or Sinai.

Have a look here. You can't get more moderate than the BBC and the UN and watch how israel took land bit by bit illegally.

[URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_israel_palestinians/maps/html/israel_founded.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_israel_palestinians/maps/html/israel_founded.stm[/URL]

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[quote=sono]Do you actually know what you are talking about?

The land was bought? :lol: that's a new one to me. I never read in a history book where it was said someone bought a country. Oh, and your history backlog starts in 1967? interesting.

Israel has no rights over East jerusalem, Gaza strip, West bank, Golan heights or Sinai.

Have a look here. You can't get more moderate than the BBC and the UN and watch how israel took land bit by bit illegally.

[URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_israel_palestinians/maps/html/israel_founded.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_israel_palestinians/maps/html/israel_founded.stm[/URL][/quote] Sono, you are dead wrong my friend. Counrties and parts of have been bought and sold throughout history. Lousiana was purchased from the French, Alaska was purchased from the Russians. Those are just two examples in the US. If you open a history book, you will find more information regarding the purchase of land in Isael than on some BBC website splash page that is made up by 2 paragraphs. You consider that history?

In regards to land gained as a part of war... Your train of thought suggests that the USA should give back Texas, New Mexico and parts of Colorado to Mexico b/c the land was in effect, a spoil of war.

Israel capture those territories after they were invaded by several countries at once (6 Day War). Not only did Isael repel the invaders and win the war... they captured additional lands. BTW, they gave back the bulk of the land for peace... in return they get rockets shot at them.

When I consider the BBC and UN moderate.... then.... [URL="http://www.goodworksonearth.org/hellfrozenover.jpg"][IMG]http://www.goodworksonearth.org/hellfrozenover.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

LOL

Sounds like you are a little bitter man. Liberalism is a mental disorder

have a nice weekend

LC

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[quote=sono]Do you actually know what you are talking about?

The land was bought? :lol: that's a new one to me. I never read in a history book where it was said someone bought a country. Oh, and your history backlog starts in 1967? interesting.

Israel has no rights over East jerusalem, Gaza strip, West bank, Golan heights or Sinai.

Have a look here. You can't get more moderate than the BBC and the UN and watch how israel took land bit by bit illegally.

[URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_israel_palestinians/maps/html/israel_founded.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/03/v3_israel_palestinians/maps/html/israel_founded.stm[/URL][/quote]

if we are gonna go to the backdates in history, lets really go back. because , if anything, the jews and christian tribes both hold prescedence over the land. it was the muslim conquest that forced them to flee. they were there before islam, and long before it. they have the true rights to the land. just because it was a few hundred years ago doesnt suddenly make it not applicable. im sick of all these sicko bastards calling about how isreal is illegal. the muslims being in egypt, isreal, gaza, EVEN IRAQ and the persian regions is all based on a military conquest in effort to religiously cleanse the area of non mulims. just the facts ma'mam, just the facts. so i guess, if you are applying the anti isreali, histrically based, pro islam ideas, all it will take for isreal to be accepted, is for isreal to begin ethnically cleansing islam out of the area.

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one more thing.

i am so sick of the BBC, CNN, FOX, MSNBC all going on about how isreal is hurting the people of gaza and lebanon. its the fucking people doing this shit. it isnt a rules of war batallion in uniform acting on the government. its people acting on pure racism and hatred. they have to deal with the reprecussions. if your brother is making bombs in your backyard, dont act surprised when a bomb blows your house to the ground and kills your children. you and they shouldnt be near it.

oh yeah, as of about 3 hours ago, the number of people killed in the name of this religion since monday, topped 500. not bad for 5 days of work. and we want to be peaceful? someone go tell the families of the 14 school kids who were blown up in kashmir on wednesday because they attended a school that caters to christians and buddists.

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Well put Sean...well put.

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hey ill be the first person before poto to tell you i can and will be an asshole talking politics most of the time, mainly because of over opinionated and uneducated posts about trifle shit within the US gov't. especially the idiots who call this country oppressive becuase they tap phones without telling you. outside of recreational drugs being legal there isnt a freedom we dont have that someone else does. but it serious topics, where me, my friends, or my family are affected, and furthermore, where the situation could possibly explode into something much greater, i will be honest, fair, and realistic. the best thing someone can try to do is understand the other side. this thought came from a book a professor i TA'd for gave me. it was called history from the other side. and it was a collection of events as if they were told from the loser's side. i.e. imagine a textbook if hitler won, they handled the american expansion from the natives side, and handled the cold war from russia as well as many others.

but frankly, the more i tried to understand the muslim community and events after 9/11, the more i found sole fault to be thiers. its quite sad to admit, but you cannot disregard that an entire population in general has done nothing throughout history outside of either fighting amoung each other or trying to eliminate the judeo, christian, and buddist religions from the area. and furthermore they are even pushing the envelope in asia now. indonesia, imo, is merely the next staging ground for those with unworthy motivation. africa too. if you really want to know what they are capable of doing, go research somalia's current situation. the islamic militias are pushing throughout the country, killing of tribal people, coptic christians and the little jewish/catholic prescence there. and i dont mean quieting them, they literally are killing them and installing sharia thorughout the region. this is only showing to be a turning point in history, for the middle east, asia, and europe. we have all suffered, the US in particular losing 3k innocent lives.

and in the end, for all the hullabaloo, i cant find that they are right, justified, or even humane. just look in iraq where this sudden explosion of attacks on mosques is occuring. all because the people there suddenly showed a motivation to have themselves represented and let the people dictate the law. the few people, lead by some clerics seeking power, have literally resorted to killing thier neighbors, not to hang onto power, because they know they lost it, but to try to make everyone regret the progression into the 21st century.

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[quote=lancecashion]Sono, you are dead wrong my friend. Counrties and parts of have been bought and sold throughout history. Lousiana was purchased from the French, Alaska was purchased from the Russians. Those are just two examples in the US. If you open a history book, you will find more information regarding the purchase of land in Isael than on some BBC website splash page that is made up by 2 paragraphs. You consider that history?

In regards to land gained as a part of war... Your train of thought suggests that the USA should give back Texas, New Mexico and parts of Colorado to Mexico b/c the land was in effect, a spoil of war.

Israel capture those territories after they were invaded by several countries at once (6 Day War). Not only did Isael repel the invaders and win the war... they captured additional lands. BTW, they gave back the bulk of the land for peace... in return they get rockets shot at them.

When I consider the BBC and UN moderate.... then.... [URL="http://www.goodworksonearth.org/hellfrozenover.jpg"][/URL][URL="http://www.goodworksonearth.org/hellfrozenover.jpg"][IMG]http://www.goodworksonearth.org/hellfrozenover.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

LOL

Sounds like you are a little bitter man. Liberalism is a mental disorder

have a nice weekend

LC[/quote]

Three things I have to say to this:

1. As far as your point on territory is concerned, you sound like the Serbian war criminal Ratko Mladic who said: "Borders are drawn with blood and marked with tombstones." I'm not judging WHAT you wrote cuz I don't think in the current situation it has ANY relevance at all.

However, if Israel would recognize Palestina as a souvereign state, I think a lot of neighbouring countries would be less rabiate anti-Israel. Yes I know Israel has made great efforts during the past few months by wrapping up a number of settlements (big respect to Sharon for having the political courage to make that decission), but I think another step should be taken. Not because one of the parties involved is more right than the other, but just because it would facilitate a number of things.

2. Concerning that totally unsubstantiated slogan in which you say the BBC and the UN aren't moderate... Well, let's see... Being a former journalist, I probably don't know shit about media, but the BBC has always been and still is the general standard of balanced reporting and ethical journalism. Being a former political journalist, I probably don't know shit about politics either, but if there's one moderate organisation on this globe, it's the UN.

3.Liberalism is a mental disorder??? Oh please man, grow up will ya? I don't agree with liberals either (in the US meaning of the word, in Europe liberals (like me) are right wing), but that doesn't mean I don't respect their opinion. Calling an opinion a mental disorder puts you on the same level as muslim fundamentalists. Hell, it makes you even Hitler and Stalin's love child...

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Listen Lance, I don't know you, so what I'm about to say is only based on what you've posted in this thread. You say sono's bitter, but I think you yourself are the bitter person. I'll tell you why...

You bash the UN by lifting out the OFF programme and in general because (at least I think that's the reason) the UN didn't support the invasion of Iraq. In the mean time you ignore the humanitarian work they do as well as the succesful peace keeping missions in Africa and the Balkan.

You bash the BBC because they don't share your point of view in the way they present the facts. In the mean time you ignore the fact that the BBC is a landmark as far as journalism is concerned.

You bash people who don't share your point of view by posting insults and hardly any facts or arguments. Very easy, yet very lame too.

You made an effort to reply to [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showpost.php?p=347767&postcount=93"]my post[/URL], but when I retort and even ask you to elaborate on one of your statements, you simply move on and find someone easier to attack.

I'm sorry Lance, but the fact of the matter is that the current situation and its history as well as the international influences are a little more complex than you present them. You're entitled to have that opinion as far as I'm concerned, but defend it with a minimum of dignity instead of talking in slogans and calling names. That's called respect...

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Sono is definitely bitter.

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.............but if we all the had same exact opinion on everything the world would be boring.

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Sono is a freedom hater.

Btw, Kinky, "Freedom is a mental disorder" is actually a bumper sticker over here, and while i agree that it is a mental disorder:p, it's kind of a joke, or did you not hold a profession as a comedian in your life yet?

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[quote=Jenks]Sono is a freedom hater.

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It's not George Bush is it? :lol:

Send me to Guantanamo. :p

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THIS IS FOR THE SIGHTLESS Sightless i?m really tired of your anti-muslim thinking!! You?re ignorant man, cause your opinions always tend to the point that in the end the muslims are aggressive and evil and US and Israel are right. You can?t take hisbollah and some other islamistic organizations and governments as the only institutions of the islamic world. I don?t agree with these terrorist assholes, but i?m still a muslim and you hurt my feelings with your opinions. The difference between you and hisbollah=ther?s none, you are as radical as they are at least in your thinkings. Difference between me and hisbollah= i?m a muslim and they are not! Differnce between me and you= i ain?t got any hatred in me but you got plenty!!

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Everyone has a right to comment so let him say what he likes. You're not right in many ways, I may not be right and you can't really expect an american who's been fed sh*t propaganda all his life to make a valid and intelligent comment as to really what is happening in the middle east. That is unless he has studied the region, its politics, its history, its culture, its values - then we can start paying attention to his comments.

It's good we're debating this issue and without this board we wouldn't know how people from various countries feel.

And by the way, whether you're muslim, christian or jew - killing people is prohibited and respect for one another is the core value in each of the 3 main religions.

Those who go against those values are not following their religions and therefore cannot be called either muslim, christian or jew.

You have to question the governments that have come and gone and that will come who persistently find ways of starting wars.

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[quote=Scarface]THIS IS FOR THE SIGHTLESS Sightless i´m really tired of your anti-muslim thinking!! You´re ignorant man, cause your opinions always tend to the point that in the end the muslims are aggressive and evil and US and Israel are right. You can´t take hisbollah and some other islamistic organizations and governments as the only institutions of the islamic world. I don´t agree with these terrorist assholes, but i´m still a muslim and you hurt my feelings with your opinions. The difference between you and hisbollah=ther´s none, you are as radical as they are at least in your thinkings. Difference between me and hisbollah= i´m a muslim and they are not! Differnce between me and you= i ain´t got any hatred in me but you got plenty!![/quote]

pitbulls, dobermans and rottweilers have earned a reputation, not because of a few isolated incidents, but repetitive, systematic behaviour. yes there are nice, gentle ones in the groups, but in general, the reputation is earned. i have muslim friends, alba from jordan in particular, and she does not deny that islam in general has a terrible reputation that has grown, in particular, with examples of say, groups of people and generations of familes marching in the streets when a terror attack happens, a blow isreal occurs, etc. there are millions of muslims throughout the globe who are kind caring people. i know many, and if we met, im sure i would consider you one.

but as a whole, what isnt fact in what i wrote outside of my opinion on failing to find a valid reason for understanding why millions of people in the middle east cheer when something vile happens to a non muslim based group or country. there needs to be a voice within your specific ground. and frankly there isnt. when the IRA killed children, the irish spoke out, when the haditha massacre was uncoverd, the people of the US didnt like it, and our government is investigating and jailing those responible, as well as for the single asshat who raped a woman, and the US population strongly stands against what Pres, bush is doing in cuba with the detainees. i wil clearly say, i am not typing this to be inflammatory, incindiery, or hurtful scarface, but typing in an honest attempt to convey some facts that people leave out, and my opinion. i hope you respect that i am not just screwing around as usual. everything i said is reality, both current and past. in particular to you, and again, not being aggressive, but where are you from, and do you know the reason why your family left the region whenever they did? i have a client who left pakistan simply for the reason of he felt the area was inhumane. he is still a devote muslim, who does indeed have his own biases, but admits that sometimes, its a dark place to be.

on a topic like this, i would being doing you a disservice by lying and saying what people want to hear. im was honest, and harbor no ill will toward you or anyone for that matter. ask around, i prety friendly in reality.

and to sono, dont even attempt to judge my education or knowledge until you have met me. i have read extensivly on the subjects and the clash. and frankly i have been very well educated in my life, earning a pair of bachelors degree, both with minors and a masters degree in US taxation law. i choose to act like a child because my humor. its not fun trying to be serious all the time.

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scarface, how do you prospose to solve this? and it cannot be one leader striking a truce with another. that will only last so long and it is a battle of societies now. not two angry governments.

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[COLOR=white][quote=alexfish333]And I found it a little bit sad to see Lance, someone I have respected as an artist for quite some time, start to lean to the right more and more with his theories.[/quote][/COLOR] [quote=lancecashion]

[COLOR=white]Its sad that I lean right and my opinion differs from yours? I am right leaning, is there something wrong with that? Doesn't seem to bother my friends, production partners and supporters who happen to be on the left. We just happen to disagree. I know with in the "music industry" I am a minority. I take pride in my djing and music. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=white]The great thing about music is its ability to reach across borders and personal differences to communicate a shared human experience on the highest level. Sufi Izrat Kahn calls music the highest form of art. And I agree. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=white]That said, I DO NOT expect you to tune into The Sound today at 3pm on [/COLOR][URL="http://www.protonradio.com/"][COLOR=white]www.protonradio.com[/COLOR][/URL][COLOR=white] for my show b/c you don't respect my political views. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=white]have a good weekend everyone.[/COLOR]

[COLOR=white]LC[/COLOR]

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[COLOR=white]Easy there Lance-I took the time to compliment you and say it was "a little bit sad" that someone whose chosen method of expression(electronic music) was the same as my own-did not view the world the same way-not a big deal. I could care less how you ultimately feel at this point but at the time I had just read a shitload of bad news about the world and had read a few of your posts that I thought had merit and then was "saddened" that it veered off into territory that I didn't personally agree with. And the reason you are a minority in this industry is because so many of the tracks we as DJs play are about people coming together and shit and just having fun or getting fucked up and dancing all night or (my personal fav) fucking and I just think some of the things you've said in this thread as a whole didn't necessarily reflect that. I've listened to your show several times or would not have been able to "respect" you as an artist otherwise. I just thought that your little ending about my "not tuning in" was a bit unnecessary. [/COLOR]

[COLOR=white]BUT Since we're going there with the plugs...[/COLOR]

[COLOR=white]Tune in (you too Lance!) to North2South on FriskyRadio with Holosound, Dudu Soldani and our special guest Tom Morgan. It all goes down this Monday at 9am PST[/COLOR]

[COLOR=white]And one more thing[/COLOR]

[COLOR=white]As Sightless noted earlier, the two of us are friends, nonetheless I do think some of his political/world views are a bit unnecessarily abrasive and perhaps a bit (on the surface) closed minded or racist. I would like to congratulate him however on his response to Scarface for sincerely responding to his comment and doing a pretty good job (with examples even!), without being too inflammatory or personally disrespectful, of backing up his point of view. I was able to actually see where he got the brand of logic he uses and though I personally differ a bit-have to give him some props ;)[/COLOR]

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scarface, im leaving for the city and hamptons for the weekend, if i truly bug you, then PM me with instances and reason. do not be angry, it will only garner you a response u dont want to hear. be civil and i will be honest in my explanations and retorts. and as you can ask around about, i will respect your opinion, even if it is 100% different than mine.

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Well, in my books, this has to be one of the most interesting threads i've ever read and followed. Period! I really wish I could debate with you guys on this one, but my opinions would only be childish, in the sense that I don't know enough on the history, the facts and whatever else related to this subject other then what I watch, read, and hear on the western news (Canada). Which, if you ask me, is somewhat biased.

I believe everybody's entitled to their opinion. But everybody also has rights which should not be broken because of differences in opinions.

Please carry on...

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[quote=Kamal]I am not taking sides, only expressing concern over something that could potentially involve us all on a mass scale.[/quote]

I agree 100% with Kamal.

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[quote=sono]Saudi Arabia is suddenly the voice of reason just because it sided with the americans. Hypocrites. :roll:[/quote]

Oh, give...me...a...break.

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[quote=sono]when you invade countries,[/quote] Really, am I missing something here. Do you know something the rest of the world doesnt know.

[quote=sono]kill innocent people, [/quote] Wars a bitch, you wanna start counting the innocents. . . .lets start with the million in Sudan first shall we. Maybe not hey!

[quote=sono]break every international law possible, [/quote] List them. Or are you nothing more than a parrot for pro Islamist propaganda. Put up or shut up dude!

[quote=sono]destroy people's houses,[/quote] Wars a bitch, have i said that yet?

[quote=sono]occupy land that doesn't belong to you then you have opened the mother of all floodgates. [/quote] Yawn, with the exception of the West Bank, up until this latest incursion where else was Israeli occupying? (And I highly recommend you read international law before you answer man!}

[quote=sono]what a hypocrite, [/quote] Show me where I have been hypocritical, if i cant I expect an open appology

[quote=sono]you should be the last person to talk about aggression.[/quote] Why should I be last person to talk about agression? Because I'm Israeli? WTF do you know about me that allows you to make such a stupid comment?

[quote=sono]Nobody does it better than Israel. [/quote] Actually I've be told that many times, wanna bend over and find out :Anal:

[quote=sono]What's a jewish country doing in the middle of 30 Arab countries. [/quote] I think you'll find that this was a Jewish country long before the rise of Islam and Arab nationalism, before opening your mouth, read first. You might find it beneficial.

[quote=sono]Go back to Germany or russia, it's where the majority of jews living in israel now came from.[/quote] Sorry dude, born to Israeli parents, bummer I know, but there you go.

[quote=sono]It's nice having America on your side. Oh and by the way, do any of you americans know where billions of your tax money goes? Yes, you guessed it, NOT loans BUT donations to israel. Israel has no economy and relied on the US throughout its history to bankroll its existence in the middle east.

simple no?[/quote] Here again we have simple person with little information who thinks they actually know something about Israel. Do a bit more research sono, find out how many of those billions of dollars MUST be spent in the USA. Then find out what the percentage of USA aid actually relates to with regards to percentage points of our budget. Then open your mouth and change feet.

Please if you have any sources to back up any of your arguements, I would love to see them.

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[QUOTE]And by the way, whether you're muslim, christian or jew - killing people is prohibited and respect for one another is the core value in each of the 3 main religions.

Those who go against those values are not following their religions and therefore cannot be called either muslim, christian or jew.[/QUOTE]

FYI. that's true to a degree. Catholicism allows you to defend yourself if your OWN life is at stake, but that is it.

Fact of the matter is both parties are equally as guility for killing each other. Spilling each other's blood is barbaric and primitive in notion. This action has exsisted in humanity since the dawn of time, and humans will always kill humans. I would hope that both parties can come to some agreement soon. From the recent headlines, this seems to be far from over, and is only in the early stages. .

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davetlv talking out of his ass again. He quotes every line to make a mockerey while disproving nothing. I don't have to list the UN resolutions imposed against Israel, i don't have to list the war crimes and massacres committed. They are available on the web for you to see from 'moderate' websites not from your uncle rabbi bookshop.

Israel never seems to learn. But their governments have never really shown a true insight into how it can live in peace with its neighbours. Initially created as a colonial outpost, as a result of a secular ideology called Zionism, it has never been consistent with the principles of Judaism. Today it acts as a regional bully. When Hamas or Hizbullah capture/kidnap Israeli soldiers, Ohlmert's regime's response is that of the school bully who lashes out at the entire class for the misdemeanours of one or two, in the process setting the whole school on fire. Does it really think it is going to get it's soldiers back in this way?

Israel is aware of its military superiority. That is why it acts in this way. But it will never get peace in this way. The only way is to recognise the historical injustice done to the Palestinian people by the creation of Israel and its subsequent actions, and to talk to its legitimate representatives which today is Hamas (like it or not).

The people of Israel are being led up the garden path by their government. There are an increasing number of Israelis who are aware of the stupidity of their government's actions. More need to raise their voices - unlike davetlv.

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[quote=sono]davetlv talking out of his ass again. He quotes every line to make a mockerey while disproving nothing. I don't have to list the UN resolutions imposed against Israel, i don't have to list the war crimes and massacres committed. They are available on the web for you to see from 'moderate' websites not from your uncle rabbi bookshop.[/quote]

You make a mockery of yourself. You accuse Israel of things without the abilitiy to back up your arguements in history or law. You've now gone from Israel is breaking every international law to to talk about UN resolutions - the two things are not the same, so in future that we may actually converse here, what the fuck are you talking about?

And btw, my uncle isn't a rabbi, my great grandfather was though.

[quote=sono] Israel never seems to learn. [/quote]

You're right there, we never learn that some of our neighbours prefer to kill us than live in peace. Maybe you would like to bring to table here and now all the peace plans, dating back to end of the Ottoman empire that have been accepted by Israel but rejected by its neighbours. Or do you just want to continue sprouting crap all day long.

[quote=sono]But their governments have never really shown a true insight into how it can live in peace with its neighbours. Initially created as a colonial outpost, as a result of a secular ideology called Zionism,[/quote]

Bwahahahahaha, Jewish pray for thousands of years has talked about the return to Zion, every passover the service is complete with a song, Beshanah haba be yerusalim. Zionism sono, is a not a creating of the 19th century but a fundamental part of judaism.

[quote=sono]it has never been consistent with the principles of Judaism.[/quote]

See above

[quote=sono]Today it acts as a regional bully. [/quote]

Reminds me of a song by one Mr Bob Dylan

[quote][B]The Neighbourhood bully[/B]

Well, the neighborhood bully, he's just one man, His enemies say he's on their land. They got him outnumbered about a million to one, He got no place to escape to, no place to run. He's the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully just lives to survive, He's criticized and condemned for being alive. He's not supposed to fight back, he's supposed to have thick skin, He's supposed to lay down and die when his door is kicked in. He's the neighborhood bully.

The neighborhood bully been driven out of every land, He's wandered the earth an exiled man. Seen his family scattered, his people hounded and torn, He's always on trial for just being born. He's the neighborhood bully.

Well, he knocked out a lynch mob, he was criticized, Old women condemned him, said he should apologize. Then he destroyed a bomb factory, nobody was glad. The bombs were meant for him. He was supposed to feel bad. He's the neighborhood bully.

Well, the chances are against it and the odds are slim That he'll live by the rules that the world makes for him, 'Cause there's a noose at his neck and a gun at his back And a license to kill him is given out to every maniac. He's the neighborhood bully.

He got no allies to really speak of. What he gets he must pay for, he don't get it out of love. He buys obsolete weapons and he won't be denied But no one sends flesh and blood to fight by his side. He's the neighborhood bully.

Well, he's surrounded by pacifists who all want peace, They pray for it nightly that the bloodshed must cease. Now, they wouldn't hurt a fly. To hurt one they would weep. They lay and they wait for this bully to fall asleep. He's the neighborhood bully.

Every empire that's enslaved him is gone, Egypt and Rome, even the great Babylon. He's made a garden of paradise in the desert sand, In bed with nobody, under no one's command. He's the neighborhood bully.

Now his holiest books have been trampled upon, No contract he signed was worth what it was written on. He took the crumbs of the world and he turned it into wealth, Took sickness and disease and he turned it into health. He's the neighborhood bully.

What's anybody indebted to him for? Nothin', they say. He just likes to cause war. Pride and prejudice and superstition indeed, They wait for this bully like a dog waits to feed. He's the neighborhood bully.

What has he done to wear so many scars? Does he change the course of rivers? Does he pollute the moon and stars? Neighborhood bully, standing on the hill, Running out the clock, time standing still, Neighborhood bully.[/quote]

[quote=sono]When Hamas or Hizbullah capture/kidnap Israeli soldiers, Ohlmert's regime's response is that of the school bully who lashes out at the entire class for the misdemeanours of one or two, in the process setting the whole school on fire. Does it really think it is going to get it's soldiers back in this way?[/quote]

And what would your response be?

[quote=sono]Israel is aware of its military superiority. That is why it acts in this way.[/quote]

First correct thing you have said here. Israel is aware of it military superiority, and therefore, due to this awarness, we havent seen ten of thousands of people injured or killed. Whilst you condemn Israel here for the northern incursion aI note that you are quiet on the front of attacks on my country, which led to the escilation we now see. Now whos the hypocrit?

[quote=sono]But it will never get peace in this way. The only way is to recognise the historical injustice done to the Palestinian people by the creation of Israel and its subsequent actions, and to talk to its legitimate representatives which today is Hamas (like it or not).[/quote]

You mean like bringing to the table a viable offer for peace, like maybe withdrawal from Gaza, withdrawal from East Jerusalem allowing the Palestinians to have their capital city there, and the withdrawal from 97% of the West Bank - whilst making territorial compimises for the remaining 3 % - whoops did all that, this is the offer with Pappa Smurf rejected in 2000 and instead of making any counter proposals he instigated and funded the Idiotfada.

[quote=sono]The people of Israel are being led up the garden path by their government. There are an increasing number of Israelis who are aware of the stupidity of their government's actions. More need to raise their voices - unlike davetlv.[/quote]

And this is why we have voted for a coalition centre left government who intend to finally clarify the borders of this beautiful 1% of land space in the middle east.

Wanna throw anything else at me sono, be my guest, just make sure its a little bit harder for me to punch holes in your pathetic attempt.

Now sono stand up, wipe your mouth, I've finished with you.

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[quote=Jenks]Sono is a freedom hater.

Btw, Kinky, "Freedom is a mental disorder" is actually a bumper sticker over here, and while i agree that it is a mental disorder:p, it's kind of a joke, or did you not hold a profession as a comedian in your life yet?[/quote]Hehehe, didn't know that Jenks. Well, kinda puts things in perspective... :roll:;)

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[quote=sono]What's a jewish country doing in the middle of 30 Arab countries. Go back to Germany or russia, it's where the majority of jews living in israel now came from.[/quote]

I cant beleive I missed reading the most stupidest thing that has EVER crossed my eyes. Sono my friend, there are 140 MILLION Muslims (the second largest collection of Muslims in the world) SMACK DAB in the middle of 850 MILLION Indians in India. With all due respect, should we ask them to go back to Pakistan or the Middle East or wherever it is they're from?

Your radical opinions make me think you're the one who's actually trying to spread HATE against the Israeli's instead of trying to do something constructive. Sorry but yes I am Pro Israel.

I said this in another thread in the Politics forum and now I'll say it again. The reason why most are anti-Muslim sentiment is extremely well quoted by a news reporter in India who ended an article on terrorism saying

[B]"All Muslims may not be terrorists, but ALL terrorists are Muslims".[/B]

So before you start off by saying some shit like oh but Israel is doing it too, try looking at where it stems from.

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[quote=sono]davetlv talking out of his ass again. He quotes every line to make a mockerey while disproving nothing. I don't have to list the UN resolutions imposed against Israel, i don't have to list the war crimes and massacres committed. They are available on the web for you to see from 'moderate' websites not from your uncle rabbi bookshop. [/quote]

Basically your full of sh*t? :roll:

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wow. been watching this unfold on the Tele all day. Nuts.

Headlines From Drudge:

[QUOTE] Israel deploys Patriot missiles in Haifa... 'Iran helping Hezbollah'... 'Iran-made missile hit ship'... Israeli airstrikes hit bridges, gas stations in east, south and central Lebanon... Hizbollah chief defiant... Venezuela's Chavez says USA backing of Israel is taking world toward 'Holocaust'... [B][COLOR="Red"] PAPER: ISRAEL GIVES SYRIA ULTIMATUM[/COLOR][/B] [/QUOTE]

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Huh...

I don´t have much to say on this matter except that history has proven that ignorance, stupidity and blind prejudice always lose in the end.

And I can see quite clearly where those flaws lie in this conflict.

For me, its as simple as that.

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[QUOTE]Gingrich says it's World War III[/QUOTE]

[url]http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/davidpostman/archives/2006/07/gingrich_says_its_world_war_iii.html[/url]

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[quote=asdf_admin][URL="http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/davidpostman/archives/2006/07/gingrich_says_its_world_war_iii.html"]http://blog.seattletimes.nwsource.com/davidpostman/archives/2006/07/gingrich_says_its_world_war_iii.html[/URL][/quote] You know, the first thing that went through my head when I read "Gingrich says it's World War III", was "yeahhhh right, here we go again." But in fact he's right if you see WWIII as a global event rather than comparing it to WWI and II. It is a war without frontlines and well identifiable armies.

The reason why I went "yeah right" was because of the connection I made with Bush's beloved "War on Terrorism" (and we all know what purpose that "war" served in the end). Anyway, I'm not going to go into that again, I've made my point clear in my [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showpost.php?p=347767&postcount=93"]previous post[/URL].

In the mean time things are starting to move on the diplomatic front. Prodi (the Italian PM) already tries to moderate and has even asked Iran to join the negotiations. The latter is imo a good idea. Working together with the Iranians in order to calm the situation down is an opportunity which could be beneficial to the discussion about the nuclear program. And of course, apart from that it's probably one of the only countries that has some influence on the Hezbollah.

Meanwhile the G8 gathered in Moscow and had the conflict on the agenda. But as to be expected (sad sad sad), even the leading industrial countries are divided on the issue. That became very clear when the statement was presented.

[quote][B]Leaders of the G8 nations have blamed extremist forces for the latest crisis in the Middle East, but called on Israel to end military operations. [/B]

The statement - issued after hours of difficult negotiations - calls for the release of three captured Israeli soldiers - one in the Gaza Strip.

It also urges militants to stop shelling of Israeli territory.

Leaders also urged Israel to withdraw its forces from Gaza and to release arrested Palestinian politicians.

The leaders of the world's eight top economic powers are meeting in St Petersburg.

The statement, described to reporters by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, revealed concern over the rising civilian casualties on both sides.

It blamed the immediate crisis on "extremist forces", including Hamas and Hezbollah, which it said wanted to destabilise the region and frustrate the Palestinian, Israeli and Lebanese peoples' aspirations for democracy and peace.

BBC diplomatic correspondent Jonathan Marcus says the leaders also set out steps that the Lebanese government, Israeli authorities and Palestinian politicians must take to create peace.

The G8 gave its full support to the UN mission to the region in implementing its proposals, and to efforts by the EU's foreign policy chief, Javier Solana.

The statement follows earlier divisions between US and French policy over the Middle East crisis.

US President George W Bush insisted Israel was defending itself against terror and that Hezbollah was the root of the crisis.

But French President Jacques Chirac spoke out in defence of Lebanon.

Full story: [URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5185728.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5185728.stm[/URL][/quote] I don't want to be negative, but I think the above is a perfect illustration of what is wrong with the international community when it's expected to intervene.

At this moment, the discussion about who's right and who's wrong isn't relevant at all. It doesn't matter from which side the missiles are fired or where bombs are being dropped. What matters is that on both sides there are civilian casualties. It's not Israel nor Hezbollah who is taking the losses, but the people in Lebanon as well as in Israel. People who have nothing to do with the conflict, but suddenly wake up to find their house or place of business destroyed or even worse, realise they're never going to see friends or relatives again.

I don't want to sound like a flower smelling hippie, but after 11 pages, I thought it was important to throw this element into the discussion.

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I've been keeping up with this since it all started and all I've been thinking the whole time is "This is the start of World War 3." I certainly fucking hope not, but I've got this feeling that China, Russia, North Korea and Iran all have their hands in this. The way I see it, Hezbollah started all of this by kidnapping those Isreali soldiers. Seriously, did they not think this would be the reaction?? Did they think Isreal was just going to sit tight and say "It's cool guys, sorry about your bad luck!!!" No.

Now I agree that Isreal has fired back with reckless abandon, but do any of us know what it's like to be surrounded by countries full of people that want you and your country to be "wiped off the map??" I sure as hell don't.

Now the captured soldiers are supposedly being transported to Iran...should Isreal by relieved by this news?? Should they call off the attacks and forget about everything?? How many rockets have been fired into Isreal in the past 4 days??

The thing is, Isreal doesn't play like we do. These assholes kidnap 2 of their soldiers and they say "Ok, we'll bomb your country into the Stone Age until you give them back." Sounds like they are speaking these terrorists language to me. Innocent Lebonese do not deserve to die for Hezbollah's actions, but dammit innocent Isrealis don't deserve to die for nothing more than being Isrealis either.

[quote=thesightless]i feel terrible about the jewish population, every time they get shit on throughout history a major war breaks out because they try to defend themselves, and act tough doing it, and in the end, they get more crap and thier portrayal is destroyed. still half of our grandparents genreations blame the jewish society for ww2 and it just isnt right. they were blamed for the early wars in the middle east all because the muslim population wanted control, and it wasnt right. now they are being called agressive and barbaric all because 2-3 groups of people are shitting on them and they are defending themselves.[/quote] When have the Jews ever caught a break?? The most persecuted people in all of human history IMO.

[quote=sono]It's nice having America on your side. Oh and by the way, do any of you americans know where billions of your tax money goes? Yes, you guessed it, NOT loans BUT donations to israel. Israel has no economy and relied on the US throughout its history to bankroll its existence in the middle east.

simple no?[/quote] Good...I'm glad we give money to Isreal. I'm sure they are fighting those Hezbollah bastards with American F-16s and Apache helicopters. I hope those motherfuckers shooting rockets into schools and residential areas like the taste of Hellfires.

[quote=Kamal][B]"All Muslims may not be terrorists, but ALL terrorists are Muslims".[/B][/quote] I've been serching for those words for years. Thanks Kamal. ;)

And on a final note, sono, you really need to go to movie or get laid or get drunk or something. It almost seems like you are saying this shit on purpose, just trying to piss people off.