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[QUOTE=unkle;1074739]Nahh, David guetta not even have enough discs to play two hours.[/QUOTE]
hahah, how bad could that be if was true
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Is America killing dance music?
137 durable postsStarted 2012-06-13Latest 2013-02-06
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man...it'd be so shit...imagine paying to see that
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[url="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/23/calvin-harris-controversy-artistry-club-culture?CMP=twt_gu"]Calvin Harris DJ controversy highlights the fading artistry of club culture | Bill Brewster | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk [/url]
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Bill Brewster knows what he's talking about. I won't comment on Harris, he's not even a DJ, he's a pop producer. What he said it's wrong because whether it's a fading artistry or not (not), US "EDM" is not the answer.
And there's a REALLY BIG difference between proper DJs who endorse it and sometimes use pre-recorded sets and people who never were dance producers/jocks to begin with.
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Sasha & Digweed created a monster with the whole stadium type tour concept...its just been copied & milked to the extreme....the whole table service thing seems to be a Las Vegas disease that has spread...only a matter of time before it comes to some wanky pretentious clubs here...Gold Coast would be its first stop in AUS
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[QUOTE=nelinho;1074834]Sasha & Digweed created a monster with the whole stadium type tour concept...its just been copied & milked to the extreme....the whole table service thing seems to be a Las Vegas disease that has spread...only a matter of time before it comes to some wanky pretentious clubs here...Gold Coast would be its first stop in AUS[/QUOTE]
The Delta Heavy concept still revolved around the music though - just with added visuals and a decent sound system.
Heineken also did a big tour with Cox, Oakenfold and Cattaneo ... plus Diggers supported on Moby's area 2 tour.
Dance Festivals existed too ... and then started to get more live acts.
The tour concept has been around for ages ... and America has always liked a show .. so throwing cakes and arsing around in an inflatable canoe is just part of that.
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Respect for music is key here.
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[url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?130173-DJ-Shadow-All-Basses-Covered-(The-Infamous-South-Beach-Set-December-2012"]DJ Shadow - All Basses Covered (The Infamous South Beach Set, December 2012)[/url])
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This is not your best contribution. :lol:
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It should be used to torture terrorists.
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Did the stadium phenomenon begin with Delta Heavy? Trance parties like Sensation White are much bigger productions, I wouldn't lay it on Delta Heavy. The table thing is also very Asian, there're more tables than dance floor space in Asian clubs :lol: I skipped Digweed in SH knowing the kinda club he was playing in.
Wanted to go to Matthew Dear + Superpitcher for NYE until I found out it was playing in the kinda club with table bookings sold out.
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Yeah I read that somewhere...will try & hunt it down.
The spin-offs of delta heavy...copycats.
i've finished the year well...i will be remembered for being the guy who accused sasha & digweed of destroying dance music.
When good times go bad.
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I think even if Sasha n Digweed did start the stadium thing, there's the good and the bad. It's easy to think of all the bad stuff now associated with EDM going mainstream but think of all the people hearing Sasha n Digweed for the very first time because of Delta Heavy. It's like the first pill, I'll never have that again. :lol:
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[QUOTE=feather;1074883]I think even if Sasha n Digweed did start the stadium thing[/QUOTE]
???
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TNlCu.jpg[/IMG]
^Dodger Stadium in LA.
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[QUOTE=simonr;1074841]The Delta Heavy concept still revolved around the music though - just with added visuals and a decent sound system.
Heineken also did a big tour with Cox, Oakenfold and Cattaneo ... plus Diggers supported on Moby's area 2 tour.
Dance Festivals existed too ... and then started to get more live acts.
The tour concept has been around for ages ... and America has always liked a show .. so throwing cakes and arsing around in an inflatable canoe is just part of that.[/QUOTE]
Yep. And I was at Area 2 with Moby and Digweed and even Tiesto... :lol:
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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1074890]???
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TNlCu.jpg[/IMG]
^Dodger Stadium in LA.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I was continuing the topic by nelino. But you're right, this stadium thing was definitely around before Delta Heavy.
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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1074890]???
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TNlCu.jpg[/IMG]
^Dodger Stadium in LA.[/QUOTE]
Oakey was opening for U2 at the time of that photo.
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[QUOTE=simonr;1074895]Oakey was opening for U2 at the time of that photo.[/QUOTE]
That's incredible and makes the photograph far less impactful :lol:.
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[QUOTE=simonr;1074895]Oakey was opening for U2 at the time of that photo.[/QUOTE]
Who at Leeds were opening for somebody else. Clash at Shea Stadium were again the opening act (for Who).
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How dare you compare the Oakenfold shows with sasha and digweed the "Delta Heavy" was epic and always will be remembered. its all about the quality.
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^Are you crazy? I wasn't comparing them :lol:
I was at Delta Heavy in LA, which one did you go to?
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Was not a particular question for you. was in general. anyway, is not necessary to be there to know how important it can be a festival. anyway I think they are two different things.
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Lost my fucking camera that night... and part of my mind :lol: but in a good way
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[URL]http://www.mixmag.net/words/features/the-great-edm-debate[/URL]
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[QUOTE=tribalcho;1045170]''It’s been a turbulent couple of weeks for DJs in the US. Last Monday, plenty of feathers were ruffled when house hero Mark Farina alleged he’d been kicked off the decks by a “table service crowd”. Then just a few days later, Calvin Harris declared that he’d got the boot for declining to spin hip-hop and, uh, tween sensation Carly Rae Jepsen. Of course, those are just two – perhaps isolated – incidents. But considering them in the grander scheme of the EDM explosion in the States over the past few months, you’ve got to wonder: what is America doing to dance music?'' [COLOR=#333333]
[/COLOR][COLOR=#ffffe0][FONT=Arial]Honestly is the djs fault for accepting those fucking gigs .. i mean seriously who would fucking want to play in las vegas???? LOL [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#333333] [/COLOR]
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[QUOTE=simonr;1074895]Oakey was opening for U2 at the time of that photo.[/QUOTE]
Just opening for U2 not exclusively a dj show?
[video=youtube_share;NU4OuKJTS7E]http://youtu.be/NU4OuKJTS7E?t=50s[/video]
This lady talks about potential long term future of EDM in states...in the video about 50 seconds in...watch the all the parts...its fucking inspirational and just makes you wish you were there.
Wikipedia
[COLOR=#000000][FONT=sans-serif]Sasha and Digweed began their ambitious Delta Heavy Tour of the United States in 2002, following the closing of Twilo. The tour featured veteran tour producer [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Lyman"]Kevin Lyman[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=sans-serif] and opening act [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Van_M"]Jimmy Van M[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=sans-serif],[/FONT][/COLOR][SUP][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_%26_John_Digweed#cite_note-ps-deltaheavy-7"][7][/URL][/SUP][COLOR=#000000][FONT=sans-serif] the tour covered 31 cities and played to 85,000 people.[/FONT][/COLOR][SUP][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_%26_John_Digweed#cite_note-newsweek-8"][8][/URL][/SUP][COLOR=#000000][FONT=sans-serif] The appearances were complete with [/FONT][/COLOR][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_show"]laser shows[/URL][COLOR=#000000][FONT=sans-serif] and video production, were similar to rock concerts than to typical DJ events.[/FONT][/COLOR][SUP][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_%26_John_Digweed#cite_note-ps-deltaheavy-7"][7][/URL][/SUP][COLOR=#000000][FONT=sans-serif] [B]This motif was new to the DJing scene[/B], and compelled other DJs to host similar concerts.[/FONT][/COLOR][SUP][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_%26_John_Digweed#cite_note-ps-sashainterview-9"][9][/URL]
Delta Heavy = win Status quo = mostly poo
on a seperate issue...Oakenfold photo looks like old Wembley stadium..look at the lights and stadium design
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also Wembley was virtually a single tier bowl/oval style stadium with a roof...the only area of Dodgers stadium has multi level tiers is behind the home plate end, with the stand directly behind the plate higer than the respective 1st and 3rd base stands...Oakenfold could only be facing the end behind home plate, but the design doesnt match the photo, so I am going with Wembly
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old wembley ground view of a similair angle to Oakenfold...not sure why it won't display
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kind of backs up my statement of saying sasha & digweed pioneered the US stadium tour concept...although I didnt specify US stadium tour but I am sure I read that somewhere....so not trying make trouble..just trying to clarify that I thought they were the catalyst for it...
Nick Warren is in the Delta Heavy dvd and gave them tips on how to survive the stadium tour by bus, as he'd done it with Massive Attack...
As mentioned...Sasha and Digweed did it for the music and lights experience and put on awesome shows in the US...not to destroy the music..
felt really bad after my first post about that topic. I won't return to this thread now haha..I have opened all the cans of worms I could
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[COLOR=#000000][FONT=verdana]As a result, Sasha & John Digweed’s protégé Jimmy Van M. conceived a massive first-of-its-kind touring electronic music event. The revolutionary event was called Delta Heavy.
[/FONT][/COLOR]http://web.archive.org/web/20060509140429/http://www.progressive-sounds.com/features/sasha-digweed-delta-heavy-dvd.asp
It's all Jimmy Van M's fault
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I'm really curious about this, so the trance stadium parties came after Delta Heavy?
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no way...
[img]http://i.minus.com/iDKv7G98Chj6z.jpg[/img]
Came out in '94. Don't know if this was all just recorded/from opening up for u2 or not, but still...
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Ah I remember Digweed's Silky Mix on that series!
I had thought the Oakenfold JDJ is his set from U2?
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yeah it could be, im not really sure...
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I think we are over estimating the impact of Delta Heavy on the general public imp. Note: I love S+D and went to see Delta Heavy 2x myself during the tour, but I don't think the majority of non-dance music listeners know who S+D are. Tiesto and Armin Van Burren, Oakenfold, Skrillex and others are the names they think of when they think about big dance music gigs.
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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;1076514]I think we are over estimating the impact of Delta Heavy on the general public imp. Note: I love S+D and went to see Delta Heavy 2x myself during the tour, but I don't think the majority of non-dance music listeners know who S+D are. Tiesto and Armin Van Burren, Oakenfold, Skrillex and others are the names they think of when they think about big dance music gigs.[/QUOTE]
Or they do know who Sasha & Digweed are but they don't know what they actually are good at or do necessarily, other than music :lol:.
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I guess we aren't exactly talking about S&D's impact on people's music taste but Delta Heavy introducing the trend of big stadium parties.
[QUOTE="feather;1076526"]I guess we aren't exactly talking about S&D's impact on people's music taste but Delta Heavy introducing the trend of big stadium parties.[/QUOTE]
I guess I'm saying if I ask my friends what type of dance music they think I listen to they will say skillex, dead mau five or tiesto. They've never heard of s+d.
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It's correct, "EDM" has little to do with actual EDM. God knows why a geeky label we hardly use became a "genre" in the US.
I have an idea, tho.
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its just america being a goof