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Chunky doesn't count it as a real mix cd if it only has tracks Diggers signed himself.

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A mix CD is a bunch of tracks the DJ has decided to put into their mix.

Hernan's [ms] mix was all music that involved Sudbeat or himself - its fantastic, just as Structures is.

Great music is great music, end of.

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[QUOTE=Homegrove;1040507]Chunky doesn't count it as a real mix cd if it only has tracks Diggers signed himself.[/QUOTE]

No its more of a concept CD and if you look at a lot of them they don't tend to make good CD's. Pappa'a Choo Choo, [url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=1128"]Cass[/url]'s Prologue along with many others the concept is usually to constraint. Both CD's them artists where nowhere near as good as the other CD's they put out around the same time that weren't stuck to tracks specifically tied to one label. [url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=5"]Sasha[/url]'s ivolver is another example. His concept was just remixing every track just for the sake it, not really caring whether he makes is better or not. I'm not also going to rely on [url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=2"]John Digweed[/url] to tell me what great music is either. Bedrock have put out some great mixes & tracks, they've also put out some terrible one as well.

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Hernan's [ms] mix was all music that involved Sudbeat or himself - its fantastic

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I definitely agree with you. :D

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Hernan's [ms] mix was all music that involved Sudbeat or himself - its fantastic

[/QUOTE] And free !! :D

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[QUOTE=simonr;1040628][COLOR=#CCCCCC]A mix CD is a bunch of tracks the DJ has decided to put into their mix.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Sorry but i cant agree with that statement.. I think that a bunch of tracks the DJ has decided to put into their mix means nothing more than just a PROMO MIX..Mix CD is something MORE..It has to be something SPECIAL.,UNIQUE,CUTTING AGE or whatever you like to call it..Thats why a live mix,released on a cd compilation is wrong..There is no concept,no flow,no unique transitions..its just another live mix out there..the only thing is,you have to buy it..WHY??

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TBH I always thought of those mixes as promos for Bedrock label.

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I'v disc one a few listens now and can't get into it. But i'm loving disc two, though it leaves you wanting more!

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Is Diggers really that hard up for cash????

He played the gig and got paid well for it, he obviously had one hell of a night, the night was was so good that wanted to share the whole experience with like minded people.

Except you have to pay for it.

When I heard about the release and the story behind it, the very first thing that came mind was that is was a cash grab, plain and simple. Good for Digweed and if that's the way he want to do business the so be it. Who am I/we to tell him otherwise?

And for those who don't see it that way or don't mind, then I really do hope that the purchase was worth it for you.

I've bought Diggers stuff in the past but I'm not all interested in purchasing anymore. This whole deal has left a real bad taste in my mouth and am really dissapointed that he went this way.

Just hope that Hernan doesn't see it as a good thing and decide to do the same.

And on a positive note, I simply love the discussion that's being had in this thread, the real passion and ideas for great music is a breath of fresh air. This thread is one of the better ones we've had in a while.

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Which is the discussion here ?

The quality or why this set became a compilation?

I think this is the main reason

John:

[QUOTE=unkle;1028228]

Wow, what can I say about this party in Cordoba earlier this year to do it justice? The crowds in Argentina never disappoint and are always up for a great night but this party took things to a whole new level for me. I played for over 5 hours and really didn't want to stop, as I was having so much fun. Fortunately I recorded the set and I hope that this live cd helps to capture some of the energy from such an amazing party.

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Plus,.

I could not be in cordoba, but these should be the first two hours or 3-4 hours. so it is logical that the first cd sounds a bit more housey and the second a little more progressive or techy or whatever. Most live sets starts This Way, not all, but, taking the idea of ​​being transformed into a compilation in the future, is logic.

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[QUOTE=dig72;1041308] I've bought Diggers stuff in the past but I'm not all interested in purchasing anymore. This whole deal has left a real bad taste in my mouth and am really dissapointed that he went this way.

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You're not interested in purchasing because these days a lot of DJs put shitloads of sets available for free, making all of us spoiled. Nobody buys mix cds anymore because of the same reason. Digweed chooses not to do that and people complain?! I don't get it.

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^ yeah but digweed didnt put out a mix cd, he put out a live set like other dj's do but the difference is that it wasnt free, and even tho it was released for a price, it wasnt the expected quality...ive personally travelled and put lots of money just to go see digweed live many times, so its not the money its what we get for it, again i said ill be willing to pay even $100 for a good 3-4 hrs from vagabond or some banger set...but give me that oooof moment is all im asking for, esp when were talking abt diggs here which we all know him for these moments and not the smooth stuff, so give us that and not the first 2hrs

and this is not complaining eventho anyone is allowed to complain esp when ur paying, dosent mean that u liked it then everyone else shud or just not say anything about it if they didnt....many of the people "complaining" are some of the most digweed fans ive seen sooo good for u for being too nice

if digweed had put out a well thought mix cd i think was gonna be much better than this and much worth than the first 2hrs of a set, he could have left that for transitions, and the free live sets lately on transitions has beeeen soo much better than this

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[QUOTE=dig72;1041308]Is Diggers really that hard up for cash????

He played the gig and got paid well for it, he obviously had one hell of a night, the night was was so good that wanted to share the whole experience with like minded people.

Except you have to pay for it.

When I heard about the release and the story behind it, the very first thing that came mind was that is was a cash grab, plain and simple. Good for Digweed and if that's the way he want to do business the so be it. Who am I/we to tell him otherwise?

And for those who don't see it that way or don't mind, then I really do hope that the purchase was worth it for you. [/QUOTE]

I see where you are coming from to a point, but if a DJ gives out a live set for free the artists featured on the mix haven't been paid or asked their permission to have their tracks given away. Some might call it exposure others theft.

At the end of the day it doesn't,t mater if its recorded live or not, just whether its good or not.

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I see more and more people are getting disappointed with Cordoba live mix on sale. John have recently said he charges only for the travel, hi is djing is for free. He should have said he's playing a live gig for free but charges for the recording... I don't get it - years ago he used to release full and up-to-date sets, now he charges for mediocre recent live mixes and airs (if airs...) some 2-years expired gigs.

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[QUOTE=foreks;1041353] years ago he used to release full and up-to-date sets, now he charges for mediocre recent live mixes and airs (if airs...) some 2-years expired gigs.[/QUOTE]

When was that? I don't remember him releasing any sets himself other than his radio mixes. Some club promotors recorded some of his sets and shared them on the Internet a few years later but that about it.

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I assume the release of the CD is about the Bedrock label, keeping a profile for releasing music and promoting new artists/music (CD3).

If you honestly think that much money is made out of this you are all well out of touch - all artists will be getting paid, and having your track on a third unmixed CD should also result in more money.

Selling 3 x CDs at £10.99 is hardly the biggest money maker. Do you really think running a label a luctrative these days - for every track sold there must be a ton of illegal downloads.

As for whinging about things not being free ... years ago, bar the Essential mixes, you all had to pay for you music !!

Around the time of this release John's fans got a WHP mix, a Timewarp Mix and an [ms] exclusive Moonpark set : i.e. 5 hours of free live music.

This is the sad state of affairs we've reached in terms of an unwillingess to pay towards the artists/labels you like ... at some point the producers will end up packing it all in through a lack of livelihood ... then everyone will moan about a lack of quality music out there.

There seems a distinct lack of support for things these days, which annoys the hell out of me and (frankly) makes me embarassed at where the scene has come to.

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Plus kudos to Chunky ... who buys the old cassettes off e-bay, spends his own time ripping it and pays for the sites he uploads and shares streams/downloads from for the benefit of everyone. In terms of unpaid time and running costs this probably amounts to a few £££s over a year.

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Come on..SimonR and [url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=132"]Homegrove[/url]..We all know you are the biggest fans of Diggers on here..We all are his fans..Man is a legend and that's why people's expectations are so high and there is disappointment because the simple truth is that this Cordoba release is BAD..Face it..Digweed's decision to release a live recording (and its not his best one!) as a mixed CD was wrong....nothing more

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[QUOTE=tribalcho;1041361] the simple truth is that this Cordoba release is BAD..Face it..Digweed's decision to release a live recording (and its not his best one!) as a mixed CD was wrong....nothing more[/QUOTE]

I seem to remember the same being said about Northern Exposure when it was released. Some of the best CD's I own didn't do anything for me the first few times I listened to them. Some took months and even years before I could fully appreciate them.

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I've always found that the CD's that have a big impact when they're released are usually the one's that people tire of really quickly.

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[QUOTE=chunky;1041363]I seem to remember the same being said about Northern Exposure when it was released. Some of the best CD's I own didn't do anything for me the first few times I listened to them. Some took months and even years before I could fully appreciate them.[/QUOTE]

Well chunky,lets hope you are right..only the time will tell...I like to be honest CD 1,but dont find it as something really impressive..CD 2 is what disappointed me most..the only track i liked is [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=321"]Helios[/URL] by [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=645"]Oliver Lieb[/URL],but thats because i love almost everything under the name Lieb (one of my old trance heroes)..

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[QUOTE=tribalcho;1041361]Come on..SimonR and [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=132"]Homegrove[/URL]..We all know you are the biggest fans of Diggers on here..We all are his fans..Man is a legend and that's why people's expectations are so high and there is disappointment because the simple truth is that this Cordoba release is BAD..Face it..Digweed's decision to release a live recording (and its not his best one!) as a mixed CD was wrong....nothing more[/QUOTE]

True with the big fan part .. but the non-music comments do my nut in.

The part of Digweeds sets I really enjoy are the early segments with the house and tech elements where he moves the sound around and plays different music, driving things up a little and taking it back down, throwing in the unexpected. This is the sort of thing he does at fabric and in the longer sets.

Some people prefer the latter parts, where its banged out more .. for home listening/commuting I prefer something with the other elements, so Córdoba suits me fine .. if I want a banging set or one back to the prog days my drive has plenty of them.

I saw a comment the other day on Bedrock saying its not the Digweed they remembered of the 90's !! The 90's was 13 years ago ... music and artists move on.

Many people actually think this is v good (there's just the same dissenting voices here) ... for me the idea is a great one ... its different, nothing wrong with that.

Only seen one review .. but that seems positive:

[URL="http://spadang.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/john-digweed-live-in-cordoba-review.html"]Dance music reviews | Spadang: John Digweed, Live In Cordoba review[/URL]

Nice addition to my collection, v nice little package, some excellent music ... and it'll sound great in years to come. Well worth the price of 2.5 pints.

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[QUOTE=simonr;1041369] The part of Digweeds sets I really enjoy are the early segments with the house and tech elements where he moves the sound around and plays different music, driving things up a little and taking it back down, throwing in the unexpected. This is the sort of thing he does at fabric and in the longer sets. [/QUOTE] This ^. First hour of his sets are usually full of intrigue...

Incidentally I'm rather warming to CD 2! Will have to spend a pleasant evening playing the 2 CDs back-to-back.

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[QUOTE=chunky;1041363]I seem to remember the same being said about Northern Exposure when it was released. Some of the best CD's I own didn't do anything for me the first few times I listened to them. Some took months and even years before I could fully appreciate them.[/QUOTE]

you mean it takes digweed a few years to find his groove?

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[QUOTE=tribalcho;1041361]Cordoba release is BAD..Face it..[/QUOTE] And.. I assume we should take your opinion as a universal law ? :) Nah.. I actually really like CD2! Its great for running.. you should try it!

As far as paying for it.. I mean, we get plenty of free music already, its ok to give something in return every once in a while, no?

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Well i think i am NOT the only one with that kind of opinion : P

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A lot of whine in here, but no cheese.....

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[QUOTE=jay813;1041384]you mean it takes digweed a few years to find his groove?[/QUOTE]

The term you are looking for is stride

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Well here's a question: Cordoba was so amazing that he decided to release the set.

Out of a 5(?) hr set he reckons the early 2hrs is the highlight of an amazing night? Surely not? Are the rest of the 3hrs worse than this???

I don't think the discussion here is about paying or Digweed making a buck. We're all fans and we've all contributed to his gigs and releases over the years.

The dissonance here is around the idea that Cordoba was SO AMAZING HE HAD TO release it (and we generally go rabid over the idea of a live set from Digweed to begin with), and then hearing this.

You know, in business speak there's this thing called 'managing expectations.'

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[QUOTE=Homegrove;1041339]You're not interested in purchasing because these days a lot of DJs put shitloads of sets available for free, making all of us spoiled. Nobody buys mix cds anymore because of the same reason. Digweed chooses not to do that and people complain?! I don't get it.[/QUOTE]

Not at all, I still buy comps simply because I enjoy them alot more than your weekly/monthly, run of the mill promos/mixes. And supporting the artists is another reason.

Why didn't he release 'another' live set on his show for everyone to enjoy, like he's done in the past? I mean what was so special about that Cordoba night, that made him want to charge fans this time round?

Would we all be happy, if Digweed decided that fans would have to pay to listen to his weekly Transitions shows? I mean why not, he could very well choose to do that and nobody can say shite. And he may or may not lose fans/support as a result.

But hey, that's business.

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This can be the most controversial and commented compiled of all time. :D

come on, it is impossible, not everyone likes the same thing. I like this comp. others may not, sometimes we have differents tastes. Nothing else.

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.. and I´m talking just about CD 1 ::: 3 times inside there and ffffffffck

tribalcho _ with full respect .. you don´t have to care if you're the only one who thinks that or not

:: you have to understand that if you think it's a bad realease :: it's just your opinion _ nothing more than that

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I say all this with the fact that I don´t like several of the last john sets :: or maybe I have to keep listening to them

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this release is really not good at all. quit fooling yourselves people. , its below avg at best for digs.

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as simple as it is, its not about the money, its just abt expectations. and anyone is free to think anything with no judgement by others. were all fans of digweed and the guy is too good that we always expect the best from him...well me personally after he blew my mind everytime i saw him live...everytimeee

i personally really need a long set from diggs that captures that good deep part and moves up to the bangin darkness (its what i like the most and why i go see him live) without interrrruptions...dont care free or not...tho if free then thats is just pure topness by john. other dj's gives us many live sets for free eventho some might not like it but still cant say much coz they dont make people pay for it...otherwise the reviews might be a bit harsher

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Lots of words won't change Cordoba mix is a decline as far Digweed quality we got used to is considered. It reminds me of 2005 and the lousy electro John experienced with. Many remember Eventhall live set with its poor mixing and controversial tracks. I am seeing John next month at UMF Poland and hope this time he won't disappoint me.

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Too much expectation is not always good.

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[QUOTE=foreks;1041594]Lots of words won't change Cordoba mix is a decline as far Digweed quality we got used to is considered. It reminds me of 2005 and the lousy electro John experienced with. Many remember Eventhall live set with its poor mixing and controversial tracks. I am seeing John next month at UMF Poland and hope this time he won't disappoint me.[/QUOTE]

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.. lots of words won´t change blablablablala that´s just your opinion blablablabla

but you´re in Warsaw so everything is more than fine with you .. [video=youtube;fIT4QnYs83E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIT4QnYs83E[/video] !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!! :hc

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who's that idiot?

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