Re: Tour de France 2007
Yeah, just heard Dr. Werner Franke connects him to Fuentes and even names some products Contador has taken.
Iban Mayo (16th in the Tour) also tested positive. His team Saunier Duval announced it today and suspended him.
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Tour de France 2007
45 durable postsStarted 2007-07-18Latest 2007-07-31
Re: Tour de France 2007
spain has a big problem now.. and seriously, they said contador was around place 390 in the world ranking 2 years ago and now he defeats the rest like this. do they really think the people watching this are that stupid? on top of that he rides for discovery channel team which belongs to this egomaniac person l. armstrong.
Re: Tour de France 2007
[quote=JoeY2k;513681]spain has a big problem now.. and seriously, they said contador was around place 390 in the world ranking 2 years ago and now he defeats the rest like this. do they really think the people watching this are that stupid? on top of that he rides for discovery channel team which belongs to this egomaniac person l. armstrong.[/quote]
blaming/connecting armstrong to contadors allegations is plain stupid (and they are still allegations). do i think armstrong doped... hell yes... do i think he is an egomaniac... hell yes. but in no way do i think he took a bunch of bright eyed bushy tailed riders and shoved drugs into them so he could be in the lime light. they have been in the sport for years, and if any rider chose to do it, it was on their own accord.
cycling is full of doping, it always has been. unfortunately i feel that soo many riders are doping that it is an even playing field. i do feel terrible for the middle of the packers and the possibility of some top ten guys who are clean, so yes doping NEEDS to go... but this is not new people, they have been at it for years. my brother ran professionally for 10 years and got his ass beat by people on EPO, so it sucks, trust me i know... it needs to be cleaned up... in the same respect i feel for tyler/jan in that they are seen as evil, where i feel lance was doing the same shit and he has 7 tour wins... but yes, they made their own bed...
awesome read btw.... [URL]http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Chain-Drugs-Cycling-Story/dp/0224061178/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1429929-9730563?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185839357&sr=1-1[/URL]
Re: Tour de France 2007
Werner Franke is a doping specialist and he claims he has documents found at Fuentes' stating what Contador has taken when. I don't see why Franke would lie about that.
And yes Willy Voet's book is a very interesting read. He was involved in the Festina scandal a few years ago. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willy_Voet[/url]
Re: Tour de France 2007
[quote=ShawnD64;513685]blaming/connecting armstrong to contadors allegations is plain stupid (and they are still allegations). do i think armstrong doped... hell yes... do i think he is an egomaniac... hell yes. but in no way do i think he took a bunch of bright eyed bushy tailed riders and shoved drugs into them so he could be in the lime light. they have been in the sport for years, and if any rider chose to do it, it was on their own accord.
cycling is full of doping, it always has been. unfortunately i feel that soo many riders are doping that it is an even playing field. i do feel terrible for the middle of the packers and the possibility of some top ten guys who are clean, so yes doping NEEDS to go... but this is not new people, they have been at it for years. my brother ran professionally for 10 years and got his ass beat by people on EPO, so it sucks, trust me i know... it needs to be cleaned up... in the same respect i feel for tyler/jan in that they are seen as evil, where i feel lance was doing the same shit and he has 7 tour wins... but yes, they made their own bed...
awesome read btw.... [URL]http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Chain-Drugs-Cycling-Story/dp/0224061178/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-1429929-9730563?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185839357&sr=1-1[/URL][/quote]
yes sorry, by mentioning armstrong it was more a personal reflex. For me he is a symbol of how relationships and influence stand above everything (negatively). I also know that these problems, although not affecting me in any way as i don?t do sports professionally, have been there forever and somehow media realizes that the image of an doping sportsman is really contra productive. That is at least my version.. finally all this is just frustrating for the "clean" people involved in that sport, spectators only expect the show.
about the Voet link to wikipedia: when reeading that arcticle i always have the slight impression that those persons always do as most as possible to generate a positive image. on a sitenote: check floyd landis website, he just released a book as well which affirms his innocence.