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Beckham

76 durable postsStarted 2007-01-11Latest 2007-09-21
#787837Post 41 of 76

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I think it also has to do with this:

I see videos and pictures of children in south america and europe all gaterhing around kicking a soccer ball around. In America, kids in the city grab a basketball. Where i grew up, it was little league baseball. I can remember playing pitch and catch as long as any memory i have. Soaking a ball glove in oil, putting a baseball in it, and wrapping it with a rubber band, or sleeping with the glove under the mattress so it would wear and close quicker, etc. Also, i grew up in the country, most of the kids of my age picked up a baseball, bat and glove, or a football and went to the field. Seeing a trend here?

What i am seeing more of, which i stated earlier, is a lot of soccer ball stickers on minivans. A lot of soccer fields popping up in the parks next to baseball diamonds. I'd venture a guess tho that there are and will always be proportionately more baseball fields than soccer tho. It's just been bred into our history for so long.

The generation of kids that are getting into soccer now and in the past decade are not old enough yet to have kids to teach them the sport THEY love and grew up with, which may be soccer.

Time old traditions i guess. I still don't see soccer taking over baseball, football, or basketball here in America, but it will be interesting to watch these kids i see running around playing little league soccer today grow up and see what sports they teach their kids.

But i do know it has NOTHING to do with Americans being ADD and needing a "show" to pay attention to.

#787848Post 42 of 76

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i played soccer until highschool, when i had to play football, hockey, track and baseball for my school, they were all better. they are all geared to where the team as a whole needs to play cohesively to win, in soccer, you dont, as long as you have a decent backfeild defense and one star up front, you can win. and the game of soccer, is just too slow for a game without breaks like in football and baseball. just watch the games of basketball and soccer. same principle of moving hte ball down feild, and putting it somewhere. yet, a basketball net is only 18 inches, and there are sometimes 50-70 baskets made, but a soccer.....4-5?

the real "soccer" game to follow is the brazilian verison that is played indoors, on a smaller feild, they use the walls, score more, and frankly, offer a suberb experience for soccer. i forget the name of it, but it was far more entertaining.

#787855Post 43 of 76

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^ what a bunch of dumbasses. you compare basketball, football, baseball to soccer? retards

#787863Post 44 of 76

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[quote=shosh;432916]^ what a bunch of dumbasses. you compare basketball, football, baseball to soccer? retards[/quote]

I wasn't comparing soccer to any of those, just said what kids here in the states grow up with.

thanks for the valuable input tho shoshy. way to contribute.

#787864Post 45 of 76

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hey einstein, if you read it, it would actually be called "contrasting". the only comparables within the games are

we call em players, they are played on feilds, and fans watch.

#787881Post 46 of 76

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Quoting Jenks : "The generation of kids that are getting into soccer now and in the past decade are not old enough yet to have kids to teach them the sport THEY love and grew up with, which may be soccer."

so true but i dont think soccer will ever replace teh american sports

#787890Post 47 of 76

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Beckham Smeckham

#788088Post 48 of 76

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For about 3-4 years Beckham, when he was at United, was a fantastic player (and I'm a Liverpool fan). Even now he is still the best crosser of a ball on the planet.

He's not much now but he's still an asset to most teams. However I can see why a lot of teams weren't in for him - can't see how his mind would be on the game if he's thuinking about magazine covers etc.

Also agree that he won't raise the profile of US soccer that much. If it hasn't caught on by now it never will

#788097Post 49 of 76

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This will be a never ending debate with real football, and why american sports are better or not better. Its all personal preference.

This will only help sell tickets, and any other merchandise they can for 5 years...after he is gone it will go back to the way it was....

If the World Cup can't get america interested nothing will!

#788228Post 50 of 76

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[QUOTE=thesightless;432909]i played soccer until highschool, when i had to play football, hockey, track and baseball for my school, they were all better. they are all geared to where the team as a whole needs to play cohesively to win, in soccer, you dont, as long as you have a decent backfeild defense and one star up front, you can win. and the game of soccer, is just too slow for a game without breaks like in football and baseball. just watch the games of basketball and soccer. same principle of moving hte ball down feild, and putting it somewhere. yet, a basketball net is only 18 inches, and there are sometimes 50-70 baskets made, but a soccer.....4-5?

the real "soccer" game to follow is the brazilian verison that is played indoors, on a smaller feild, they use the walls, score more, and frankly, offer a suberb experience for soccer. i forget the name of it, but it was far more entertaining.[/QUOTE]

Mate you can pick holes in any sport, most of the soccer fans in here will disagree with your arguments, and throw back arguments as to why your favoourite sports are crap.

You're missing the main argument as to why soccer isn't popular in your country, Jenks hit the nail on the head... TRADITIONS AND CULTURE.

You don't see anyone arguing that grid iron isn't played in their country because there's so many stoppages, bla bla bla. It's not played because it's not a part of their traditions and culture.

Australia is in a similar boat to America. Soccer was never a part of my father's childhood, but has been apart of mine and soccer as a school or club sport has been reasonably popular, but never as popular as traditional Australian games - Cricket, Rugby Union, Rugby League and not to forget Australian Rules football for our Victorian friends.

I recently heard that at my old high school (one of the better Rugby Union schools around), now has more soccer teams than rugby teams, which I never thought I would see. And soccer is ahead by a very large margin.

I believe Australia's international presence in soccer will continue to get better and better, and shortly when it's the children with fathers who played soccer growing up playing it we'll be a force.

The same will happen to America. I guarantee it. You will just be a little bit behind Australia.

#789155Post 51 of 76

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[quote=SyntaxTerror;433315]

You're missing the main argument as to why soccer isn't popular in your country, Jenks hit the nail on the head... TRADITIONS AND CULTURE. ... You don't see anyone arguing that grid iron isn't played in their country because there's so many stoppages, bla bla bla. It's not played because it's not a part of their traditions and culture. ... I believe Australia's international presence in soccer will continue to get better and better, and shortly when it's the children with fathers who played soccer growing up playing it we'll be a force.

The same will happen to America. I guarantee it. You will just be a little bit behind Australia.[/quote]

Well said. If I could add my 2 cents...

Traditions and culture are primary reasons why soccer is not popular in America. But if we looked upon baseball, we might see that the MLB is increasingly becoming a heterogeneous league. That is, an increasing percentage of professional players are coming from outside the US, from places like the Dominican Republic, Puerto Rico, Cuba, Venezuela, and overseas from Japan and South Korea. While baseball is "America's pasttime," other countries have adopted baseball as, if not a national sport, than a sport of increasing popularity. Baseball has entered into other countries' tradition and culture. How's that? And can soccer become big in the US like baseball has with other countries?

Baseball has become big in other countries because of the growth of talent, to the point where Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka can command $50 million just for the RIGHTS TO NEGOTIATE a contract. Foriegn talent has succeeded at the highest levels here in the US. Johan Santana is the most feared southpaw in the game. David Ortiz is today's Mr. Clutch. Ichiro holds the record for most hits in a season. The gorwing influence of foriegn players could be seen in the World Baseball Classic, where teams from the Dominican and Venezuela read like all-star teams.

When young kids from other countries see their native heroes striking out 15, hitting 40 home runs, stealing 50 bases, they become inspired. They dream big, emulating batting stances, pitching wind-ups...soon dozens, hundreds of kids want to become the next big thing. Kids see heroes succeed, and adopt baseball as their own.

This is why foriegn countries have become big in playing what is supposed to be America's pasttime: they export talent into the United States. Foriegn talent become big market-names, with big-money possibilities. Teams realize big-league talent exist in locations other than the US; demand for this foriegn talent grows. Meanwhile, youth become awestruck at their homeland heroes and strive to become like them. They try to meet the new demand. And the cycle cotinues.

Basketball provides another example: Manu Ginobli, Tony Parker, Yao Ming, Pau Gasol, Dirk Nowitzki...all foriegn players, all succeeding in a game that originated in America. Andrea Bargnani was the #1 pick in this year's NBA draft. Argentina and Germany and China can field teams that can compete against (and beat) the US. Just like in baseball, these countries grow in basketball culture and tradition because 1) they export talent, 2) pro teams recoginize foriegn talent and demand it, 3) kids see this talent succeed and try to meet this newfound demand, and 4) countries adopt the sport into their culture and eventually tradition.

This is why soccer will not be big in the US, at least for a generation to come. MLS is IMPORTING a big talent, David Beckham. Beckham will attract cameras, big names, money, endorsements, and fanfare. He may draw more kids into the sport. He may make soccer legitimate as a professional sport here.

But Beckham is British; he was England's captain for some 40 appearaces, not the US's. Soccer is not big in the US becuase we do not EXPORT talent (hence, the MLS importing a washed-up Beckham, or the now-defunct North American Soccer League importing past-their-primes Pele and Beckenbauer to try to stimulate soccer here in the '70s). We do not play at the highest levels. There is no American-bred "hero" for young kids to aspire to. Hence, the EPL, Serie A, all the elite leagues in the world recognize that America is (mostly) a soccer wasteland. Accordingly, at the highest levels, there is no demand for American players.

If Freddy Adu reached his astronomical potential (that he may or may not have), signed with Manchester Untied (or Chelsea or Arsenal or Inter or Real or whatever) for 20 million pounds, reached superstar level at the English Premier League (like Rooney or Christiano Ronaldo status), and single-handedly got the US to the semis of the World Cup...THEN America might get interested. Then we might adopt soccer into our culture and tradition, and run with it. Then countries might recognize American talent as legitimate, and demand it. Then young players might strive to become the "Next Great American player." Then America might stockpile enough talent to field an international team, and compete with the Brazils and Frances of the world. Then I might stop saying "then."

Until "then" (sorry :roll:), the majority of Americans will casually dismiss soccer as "boring," "slow" and such. It's become an ugly part of our sports tradition, an ignorant part of our culture.

#789387Post 52 of 76

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he is there plainly for his celebrity status and nothing else ... sure, he was a good player and the best in crosses when he was at the top of his game and he probably still is but noted that even when Real signed him they did kind of state that they signed him so that they can sell more soccer jerseys and they probably did during the first 2 seasons while he was there especially in Asia

for the money he is getting at Galaxy it is a good retirement plan

#789430Post 53 of 76

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^^^^ plus all the hollywood ass he is gonna get for the next 5 years ....

but really .. is a move to turn fans heads towards the game .... now that becks is here they want to bring ronaldo to NY Red bulls

the US Soccer league ( i dont know if it was MLS back then ) tried this before with Pele but obviuslly it didnt work .. lets see what happens now

#789933Post 54 of 76

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[quote=digital_junkie;433176] This will only help sell tickets, and any other merchandise they can for 5 years...after he is gone it will go back to the way it was....[/quote] Los Angeles bought him for the same reason as Real Madrid...to sell more tickets and official merchindise!!!

#790036Post 55 of 76

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this needs to be moved to the movies section now :)

#790219Post 56 of 76

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The thing is, I can't see WHY people would buy a shirt just because it's got Beckham on the back of it, I really can't see the logic? Can someone explain? I assumed most people were rational, why would you buy a football shirt of a team you don't give a s*** about just because it has the name of a half-decent player on it?

I love Steven Gerrard, favourite player ever and a legend in my eys, but even I balk at getting his name on the back of my Liverpool jersey

#790317Post 57 of 76

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People just wanna be cool.

#792211Post 58 of 76

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he just threw his football carreer to the toilet... the MLS? come on!! even my grandma is better than their best player.

#792238Post 59 of 76

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You should tell your grandma to give him a call. :)

#792376Post 60 of 76

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[quote=apollo_1444;437727]he just threw his football carreer to the toilet... the MLS? come on!! even my grandma is better than their best player.[/quote]

dont be su sure, as if mexican futbol is any better

#795772Post 61 of 76

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Well, soccer is pretty damn big here in San Diego, and every kid I knew growing up played soccer in Florida for at least 5 years, along with little league, lacrosse, and basketball...but anyway, I do see the sport picking up momentum here, just my thoughts.

#893657Post 62 of 76

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funny article in the Sun today: [url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007330371,00.html[/url] [QUOTE] In fact, if any of the lads who lumber round the playing fields of England on a weekend after a bellyful of ale the night before would like to ring the Galaxy, they?ll probably get a game. Becks would be delighted ? he?s going to need the help. And if they could bring their families along too that would be handy ? because the Galaxy don?t get much of a crowd either. [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE]the Galaxy?s hard-core supporters, known as the LA Riot Squad, totalled [B]FOURTEEN[/B].[/QUOTE]

#893686Post 63 of 76

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I listen to ESPN Radio while I'm at work and I am so f*cking sick of hearing about this asshole I could scream. Soccer SUCKS and will never be as big as Baseball, Football, Basketball or even Hockey as far as I'm concerned.

#893696Post 64 of 76

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^^^ I'm not going to dignify that last remark with a reaction...

LMAO @ Beckham chosing for the money instead of the sport. Serves the gaylord just fine :D

#893709Post 65 of 76

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^ i'd take 250 mil over any fuckin sport or anything else anytime, except my fam

#893762Post 66 of 76

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^^^ I'd sell you as a sex slave for half the money :D

#894425Post 67 of 76

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funny thing is that he sucks as a player only good thing he knows is free kicks.

#906841Post 68 of 76

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so many people claim becks is overated but simply not the case look back at the form he showed almost every week between 1999 and 2003 for united. total class

#906843Post 69 of 76

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[quote=Bryanw24;510212]I listen to ESPN Radio while I'm at work and I am so f*cking sick of hearing about this asshole I could scream. Soccer SUCKS and will never be as big as Baseball, Football, Basketball or even Hockey as far as I'm concerned.[/quote]

erm...its already bigger than baseball, football and basketball you yonner its the global game as well as the beautiful game.

#909985Post 70 of 76

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[quote=zebramofo;521724]so many people claim becks is overated but simply not the case look back at the form he showed almost every week between 1999 and 2003 for united. total class[/quote]

sure he was great 8 years ago - doesnt make him worth 250 million dollars now!

#910013Post 71 of 76

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he's hot !

___ floru*

#910695Post 72 of 76

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my friends and i consider MLS as the retirement league of the world. beckham, maybe soon ronaldo and zidane. MLS will sure pay for them. it'll help make the MLS grow. that's all it's about.

disappointing loss for the galaxy in the superliga final.

#910735Post 73 of 76

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[quote=djpnuemo;522892] it'll help make the MLS grow. that's all it's about. [/quote]

uhh, yeah. isn't that the point? :You thin:

#910750Post 74 of 76

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[quote=Bryanw24;510212]I listen to ESPN Radio while I'm at work and I am so f*cking sick of hearing about this asshole I could scream. Soccer SUCKS and will never be as big as Baseball, Football, Basketball or even Hockey as far as I'm concerned.[/quote]

Typical yank response, lol you cant be more sick of hearing about Becks as you are about hearing about your tremendous football leagues dog killer, liar, criminal?

#910768Post 75 of 76

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no joke... if you don't like soccer, don't watch it. not like it steals the limelight from any mainstream american sport. most american sports don't even focus on the actual sport anymore, they are focused on all the scandals within them and their players. at least in soccer, there is a positive story instead of a negative one.

#919211Post 76 of 76

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[quote=djpnuemo;522892]my friends and i consider MLS as the retirement league of the world. beckham, maybe soon ronaldo and zidane. MLS will sure pay for them. it'll help make the MLS grow. that's all it's about.

disappointing loss for the galaxy in the superliga final.[/quote]

mls is inferior to other leagues, that was an obvious result

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