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lol

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runningman > MIT

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no I just get better information.

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classic :runningman:

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[url]http://mitnse.com/2011/03/16/news-updates-and-current-status-of-facilities/[/url]

Units 1 and 2: TEPCO has released estimates of the levels of core damage at these two reactors: 70% damage at Unit 1 and 33% at Unit 2. They have also stated that Unit 1 is being adequately cooled.

[I]Outlook: It is difficult to make conjectures at this point about the final disposition of the damaged fuel without further information. However, during our only operating experience with a partially melted and subsequently cooled core, Three Mile Island, the fuel mass was fully contained by the reactor vessel, resulting in minimal radiation release to the public. A decision is currently being made on how to best supply cooling water to Unit 2.[/I]

Unit 3: At 8:34 AM JST, white smoke was seen billowing from the roof of Unit 3. The source of this smoke was not investigated because workers were evacuated due to radiation levels. These levels had been fluctuating during the early morning hours before rising to 300-400 millisievert/hr around the time that the smoke appeared. It was unclear at the time whether these rising levels were a result of some new event at Unit 3, or were lingering as a result of Unit 2’s recent troubles.

[I]Outlook: In order to provide some perspective on worker doses to this point, radiation sickness sets in at roughly 1000 millisieverts. A future post will deal further with the health effects of various amounts of radiation. Response to the smoke seen at Unit 3 appears to be in an information gathering phase at this point. Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano speculated that the smoke from Unit 3 might be the result of a similar wetwell explosion to that at Unit 2, but there is not enough information currently available to support or refute that statement.[/I]

Units 4-6: Flames at Unit 4 were reported to be the result of a pump fire, which caused a small explosion that damaged the roof of Unit 4 (See TEPCO’s press release on the most recent fire at [URL]http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031606-e.html[/URL]) . Efforts at Units 4-6 are focused on supplying cooling water to the spent fuel storage pools. Temperatures in these pools began to rise in the days after the quake. At the time of the quake, only Unit 4’s core had been fully offloaded to the spent fuel pool for maintenance; roughly 1/3 of the cores of Units 5 and 6 had been offloaded. This explains in part why the temperature in Unit 4’s pool has risen faster than at the other reactors: it has a higher inventory, both in fuel volume and in heat load.

[I]Outlook: The fuel within these pools needs to remain covered with cooling water in order to prevent the low levels of decay heat present from causing it to melt, and also in order to provide shielding. Boiling of the water results in reduction of the water level in the pools, so if/when the pools get hot enough for boiling to begin, water needs to be added to replace what boils off. The staff of Unit 4 plan to begin pumping water to the spent fuel pool from ground level as soon as radiation levels from Unit 3 are low enough for them to return. This pumping operation should be relatively easier than injection of cooling water into the reactor vessels at Units 1-3 because the pools are at atmospheric pressure.[/I]

Sources: TEPCO, World Nuclear News UPDATE (11:48 AM EST): A report by the Federation of Electric Power Companies of Japan indicates that radiation levels as a result of the Unit 4 fire were higher than those reported previously. Radiation levels early this morning at the outside of Unit 3 measured at 400 millisieverts/hr. At the present time however, radiation levels at the boundary of the facility are 1530 microsieverts/hour. We will continue to update as further reliable information is available.

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^ that analysis sounds very vague and un-optimistic in my mind.

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[QUOTE=runningman;937394]I am an idiot again...[/QUOTE]

You said it, not us...

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I also think they are downplaying the levels of mS (millisieverts). If the levels were only 400 why couldn't they use a helicopter to dump water on the reactors then? The helicopter would be exposed to 400 mS for only a minute or two. These are the mixed reports that I don't understand. They have these brave 50 guys that were going to go down with the ship but they can't use a helicopter for only minutes?

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[QUOTE=clintlove;937410]You said it, not us...[/QUOTE]

No Reso said it. I am trying to point out the irony of calling me an idiot and an exaggerator when I am later found to be correct.

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to see levels of radiation poisoning see the chart in my link below.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_poisoning[/URL]

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[QUOTE=runningman;937412]No Reso said it. I am trying to point out the irony of calling me an idiot and an exaggerator when I am later found to be correct.[/QUOTE]

Please only update the radiation thread in Politics from here on out. Those of us who go there go willingly. You're idiocy is radiating out (see what I did there?) to the GYY forum and is bringing the collective IQ here down.

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Fuck you. How about that one. Who the FUCK do you think you are.. You aren't green or orange so Fuck off and eat a dick. Go crawl back into your warm MSM blanket and suck on your "lies in your head" soother you fucking baby. As far as I know I have been here 2 years longer.. So that makes me a general and you a foot soldier...

Now to see the levels of radiation go here.

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(radiation)"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(radiation)[/URL]

If the levels are only 400 that isn't that much over 30 mins.

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Why don't you take your penis pump off for a while, you're getting a little too big for your own britches.

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I think I have a few less bans under my belt if that helps.

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me? Are you kdding me.. Reso has nothing but insults to throw my way calling me stupid and an idiot and you attack me? Go back and read the thread and see who started what.. I was trying to post scientific fact while trying to dodge shit being thrown at me.

Why is Reso on here anyways?? why doesn't he get suspended for a month? FFS he does nothing but egg everyone and throw out insults.

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personally, i'd rather be reading earthquake-related material on this earthquake thread than reading pages of back-and-forth banter. just a thought... play nice please out of respect.

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It's like GU here. <3

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^ i disregard yeerr reference of meh

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PLEASE! only [U]you[/U] can prevent earthquakes

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[QUOTE=runningman;937386] They can run the pumps with the sea water without anyone being there. They just turn the switch on[/QUOTE]

I'm not so sure they have the means to pump by just turning the switch and leaving? The failure of the standard and then the emergency cooling systems, not to mention the electrical infrastructure of the whole area (caused by the quake/tsunami) is the origin of the problem we are seeing now. A side effect of cooling with sea water is the release, to air, of radioactive steam which is something else we have been seeing.

One difference between this site and Chernobyl is the use of graphite (at chernobyl) as a neutron absorber which isn't the case here and could, let's hope, prevent the damage/affected area being on the same scale. At Chernobyl the graphite acted as a fuel (a radioactive one) which was a factor in the radiation being spread so far.

As Garrick says it really doesn't matter which disaster is worse but i think it's human nature to want something to compare to when trying to get your head around such things.

I've a lot of knowledge when it comes to power stations, but not nuclear ones i'm afraid.

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[QUOTE=bobjuice;937443] The difference between this site and Chernobyl is the use of graphite (at chernobyl) as a neutron absorber which isn't the case here and could, let's hope, prevent the damage/affected area being on the same scale. At Chernobyl the graphite acted as a fuel (a radioactive one) which was a factor in the radiation being spread so far. [/QUOTE]

I thought this was the big cause of the actual explosion back then right? And this shouldn't be in use here, so it is mainly just a hope of keeping the rods cool enough and under water for the time being.

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to my limited understanding to what has been going on is that they can run emergency pumps from the ocean that will pump directly into the reactor to limit the heating of the rods. By doing this it will wreck the reactor and it will never be able to be used again. But at least it will limit the radiation that is given off because it will somewhat cool the rods to an acceptable level.

It is like a hail mary pass kind of thing and hope the pumps haven't been damaged by the tsunami or quake.

The other thing is the waste pool storage that are also giving off radiation. That is really bad as well. If that pool boils it will expose the old rods and give off radiation.

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We're also hoping for something designed and built in the 60s to be man enough to contain a worst case scenario, which is obviously something that couldn't/can't be tested 100% when commissioned, or since.

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Ya this is such a mess I can't even wrap my brain around it. Multiple reactors failing, old storage waste is boiling and possibly going to give off even more radiation. We haven't even heard yet if the nuclear material is going into the ground. If it gets into the water supply (Aquifers) this thing is really going to be a crisis.

I can't help but be really bummed out when I find out more info.

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I can't believe some the arguing going on in this thread....there are thousands of people missing and dying, and it is only getting worse :( So please lets stop and move on.

The issues with the nuclear plant are absolutely terrifying. The ramifications this will have on the planet are astronomical. This is a very scary uncertain time we are going through as a planet, and I for one, am scared that there will be nothing we can do to stop things and begin to repair the damage to the earth....so very sad and so very scary :(

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[QUOTE=Garrick;937385]does it really matter which nuclear disaster is/was worse? any nuclear disaster is beyond awful. my prayers are with those people. i haven't heard from my high school buddies that live in the area either. :([/QUOTE] This !!!

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[QUOTE=runningman;937430]me? Are you kdding me.. Reso has nothing but insults to throw my way calling me stupid and an idiot and you attack me? Go back and read the thread and see who started what.. I was trying to post scientific fact while trying to dodge shit being thrown at me.

Why is Reso on here anyways?? why doesn't he get suspended for a month? FFS he does nothing but egg everyone and throw out insults.[/QUOTE] FFS why is it more important for you to score pathetic internet points.. ??? :evil: You turn everything into something about you !!

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[QUOTE=DancingQueen;937608]I can't believe some the arguing going on in this thread....there are thousands of people missing and dying, and it is only getting worse :( So please lets stop and move on.

The issues with the nuclear plant are absolutely terrifying. The ramifications this will have on the planet are astronomical. This is a very scary uncertain time we are going through as a planet, and I for one, am scared that there will be nothing we can do to stop things and begin to repair the damage to the earth....so very sad and so very scary :([/QUOTE] And so very much THIS !!!

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It's amazing how some peeps think that because they have an internet connection, they think it trumps years of schooling and training to be a nuclear physicist (or a ton of other professions) that's on the ground doing the job. Or revel in the tragedy of it all, basking in their own personal glory of their thinking that they're right.

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[QUOTE=runningman;937420]Fuck you. How about that one. Who the FUCK do you think you are.. You aren't green or orange so Fuck off and eat a dick. Go crawl back into your warm MSM blanket and suck on your "lies in your head" soother you fucking baby. As far as I know I have been here 2 years longer.. So that makes me a general and you a foot soldier...

Now to see the levels of radiation go here.

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(radiation)[/URL]

If the levels are only 400 that isn't that much over 30 mins.[/QUOTE]

:shock: w.t.f?

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;937646]:shock: w.t.f?[/QUOTE]exactly! wonder why mods are taking so long to realize we dont want members like this on this board :what

my heart is with you japan :( i havent heard from my friend yet, i am scared to think i will never be able to speak to her again :(

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[url]http://godhatesjapan.com[/url]

:)

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Here come the MS Mafia right on cue. Again I guess Reso can say whatever he wants. I can always be the patsy.

I have more to say but I won't because I think we should be talking about Japan, even though this whole page is nothing more than a MS Mafia hate on runningman page.

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:roll:

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Res did call runningman an idiot first in this thread and runningman ignored it ... just saying. But yeah keep the squabbling to the politics forum.

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I'm done in here, I'll keep the nonsense to Politics. Like I just mentioned in the other forum back and forth nonsense really denigrates the whole situation going on over there.

I'd like to cite again a pretty good site I've found that tries to explain what is happening in laymans terms:

[URL]http://mitnse.com/2011/03/17/helicopters-dropping-water-on-affected-reactors/[/URL]

The post above is from 9 EDT about choppers being used to drop water on reactors.

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[QUOTE=feather;937683] But yeah keep the squabbling to the politics forum.[/QUOTE] That's my issue. I have bought it up before .

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[QUOTE=DIDI;937721]That's my issue. I have bought it up before .[/QUOTE]

Already done :D

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^^^ Good one !!

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