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[QUOTE=dig72;920051]So all Saddam Hussein needed was a decent media consultant?[/QUOTE] :lol:

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Again, you seem to think only people on the right use "inflamed" rhetoric, and you couldn't be further from the truth (ignoring all the evidence I've already posted). One group turned Jared into a political issue, and it wasn't those on the right.

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No ! I said EVERYONE !! I think both sides suck most of the time :lol:

The media make it political.

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Okay, truce for now.:twisted:

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I wasn't in a war, no truce needed :lol:

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[QUOTE=dig72;920051]So all Saddam Hussein needed was a decent media consultant?[/QUOTE]

Lol. Well, let me modify what I was saying - any Western democracy based political movement can do well with the a decent media consultant.

But consider for a moment that Sadam was a U.S. ally through a good chunk of the 80's when Ayatollah Khomeni was running Iran, so he was doing something right for a while. Even if it was due to a philosophy of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", which dominates in short sighted politics.

On a side note, it's nice to see that Vinnie97 and runningman drink for the same source of water that provides them with their hilarious delusions. Keep it up sweethearts.

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Doing something "right"? Mate doing what suits the US foreign policy is the right term. Doing something "right" geesh Sorry that just jumped right at me. It would be really nice if everyone who likes to post here would read a little about the history of the Middle East. Not trying to be condescending and not aiming this at anyone in particular but I think it would mean a much more informed and stimulating discussion.

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[QUOTE=Highsteppa;920273]But consider for a moment that Sadam was a U.S. ally through a good chunk of the 80's when Ayatollah Khomeni was running Iran, so he was doing something right for a while. Even if it was due to a philosophy of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", which dominates in short sighted politics.[/QUOTE]

'Right', according to who?

And besides, he was always Americas ally, even right up until the events of Sep 11 2001. Yes that's right, Iraq was still helping the US in identifying any kinds of terror threat against her. He did this despite the fact, that the US killed thousands of Iraqis during the first gulf "war" and the hundreds of thousands more Iraqi dead, because of the disgraceful US lead sanctions imposed on them.

In all seriousness, America couldn't ask for a better friend. What more could he do or offer?

And all that Saddam gained for his years of loyal service to his US masters, was a couple of inches.

Absolutely nothing, will help you when the media whores have their sights set on you.

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[QUOTE=Shpira;920304]Doing something "right"? Mate doing what suits the US foreign policy is the right term. Doing something "right" geesh Sorry that just jumped right at me. It would be really nice if everyone who likes to post here would read a little about the history of the Middle East. Not trying to be condescending and not aiming this at anyone in particular but I think it would mean a much more informed and stimulating discussion.[/QUOTE]

By "doing something right" I mean more the fact that he was looked upon favorably by the U.S. press and had a positive image with the U.S. media for a while. Not referring to anything in relations to morality and/or contributing anything constructive to the development of the Middle East. Methinks peeps be reading a bit too literally into what's being posted.

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[QUOTE=Highsteppa;920273]On a side note, it's nice to see that Vinnie97 and runningman drink for the same source of water that provides them with their hilarious delusions. Keep it up sweethearts.[/QUOTE] Runningman is a rare breed Canadian who can see right through all your thought policing, doublespeaking efforts.

You want delusions? Have a gander to see some of the asinine nonsense mainstream liberals are spouting: [URL="http://www.moonbattery.com"]www.moonbattery.com[/URL] (i.e. Michael Moore, paraphrased from last night: "Americans' fascination with gun ownership for the sake of self-defense is rooted in racism.")

Michael Savage is a sage, modern day liberalism is one hideous mental disorder.

Don't take any of this to mean I'm a neocon-loving fanatic who still falls head over heels for the military industrial complex. The biggest threats to national survival today are from nannystate leftists who see the constitution as some outdated document to be used loosely only as a reference when making new laws that don't apply to the hideous ruling class (i.e. [URL="http://detnews.com/article/20110118/OPINION01/101180321/1008/opinion01/Need-a-waiver-from-Obamacare?-Get-in-line"]Need a Waiver For Obamacare? Get in Line.[/URL]).

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first pic i see from the site your link above:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/KhOiN.jpg[/IMG]

you have failed. stupid websites that deal is this type of silly stuff are not taken seriously by anyone with a brain.

RM is obviously trolling because no one can be that retarded, but he tries to make everything black and white which he knows isn't true.

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That's what Moonbattery does, pokes fun at the left. It's obvious to anyone with a brain how state-controlled MSNBC is. Sorry if the truth is painful.

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If all you believe is FOX and MSNBC and can't do any critical thinking for yourself then you are fucked no matter what the media does/doesnt print/air.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;920578]If all you believe is FOX and MSNBC and can't do any critical thinking for yourself then you are fucked no matter what the media does/doesnt print/air.[/QUOTE]

disregard pretentious white liberals talking down to everyone, acquire endless amusement.

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the best pundits and news reporters in the US now are comedians. long live bill maher and john stewart.

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;920564]Runningman is a rare breed Canadian who can see right through all your thought policing, doublespeaking efforts.

You want delusions? Have a gander to see some of the asinine nonsense mainstream liberals are spouting: [URL="http://www.moonbattery.com"]www.moonbattery.com[/URL] (i.e. Michael Moore, paraphrased from last night: "Americans' fascination with gun ownership for the sake of self-defense is rooted in racism.")

Michael Savage is a sage, modern day liberalism is one hideous mental disorder.

Don't take any of this to mean I'm a neocon-loving fanatic who still falls head over heels for the military industrial complex. The biggest threats to national survival today are from nannystate leftists who see the constitution as some outdated document to be used loosely only as a reference when making new laws that don't apply to the hideous ruling class (i.e. [URL="http://detnews.com/article/20110118/OPINION01/101180321/1008/opinion01/Need-a-waiver-from-Obamacare?-Get-in-line"]Need a Waiver For Obamacare? Get in Line.[/URL]).[/QUOTE]

Yeah, glad to see you can come back with a nice balanced look at things twinkletoes. The reason why you're loving runnynose's posts is because it appeals to your fantasies of paranoia.

Hope your reacharounds with runnynose are mutually enjoyable.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;920584]the best pundits and news reporters in the US now are comedians. long live bill maher and john stewart.[/QUOTE]

this. explains. everything.

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;920586]this. explains. everything.[/QUOTE]

please continue to espouse with random quips and quotes and funny sayings from dead poets and other random sources and continue to try to be pretentious. it doesn't matter how many syllabi you fit into a post to me, this forum is great lulz. actually this whole politics subforum has brought the collective IQ of every member of MS down by at least 2 points i believe.

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Highsteppa, the vacuousness of your position is visible for anyone (in their right mind) to see, your homo quips notwithstanding. There's plenty of things to be concerned ("paranoid") about when a govt. is constantly overstepping its constitutional purpose for governing.

Come on, Res. I'd only ever laugh at Bill at his expense, especially with nonsense like this, and I quote, when referencing the batshit crazy case of Jared Loughner: "Because we don't have government healthcare, that's one reason why a crazy person gets a gun, because you know what, it's hard for a crazy person to get a job. So therefore it's hard for them to get healthcare in a country that doesn't have government, etc." ([URL="http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2011/01/bill-maher-tucs.html"]source, including video[/URL])

Making more logical leaps than an acrobat on a coke binge (boom tsh).

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;920588]Highsteppa, the vacuousness of your position is visible for anyone to see, your homo quips notwithstanding.

Come on, Res. I'd only ever laugh at Bill at his expense, especially with nonsense like this, and I quote: "Because we don't have government healthcare, that's one reason why a crazy person gets a gun, because you know what, it's hard for a crazy person to get a job. So therefore it's hard for them to get healthcare in a country that doesn't have government, etc." ([URL="http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2011/01/bill-maher-tucs.html"]source, including video[/URL])

Making more logical leaps than an acrobat on a coke binge (boom tsh).[/QUOTE]

Thanks for this standard misquote. That was from last Fridays episode which I actually watched in its entire 60 minutes, not 18 seconds. I dont know if whatever that moonbattery.com site is, but the actual quote was along the lines of: "this guy bought a gun because he was crazy, he lost/quit his job BECAUSE he was crazy, and BECAUSE he couldn't get/didnt have any healthcase coverage to diagnose he was crazy BECAUSE he couldn't afford it, and we don't have any socialized mental heath, he was able to buy a gun BECAUSE he passed the background check"

Please explain why this isn't sound reasoning?

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;920589]Thanks for this standard misquote. That was from last Fridays episode which I actually watched in its entire 60 minutes, not 18 seconds. I dont know if whatever that moonbattery.com site is, but the actual quote was along the lines of: "this guy got a gun because he was crazy, because he lost his job BECAUSE he was crazy, and BECAUSE he couldn't get any healthcase coverage to diagnose he was crazy BECAUSE he couldn't afford it, he was able to buy a gun BECAUSE he passed the background check"[/QUOTE]

tell us, what other comedians do you tune into for your news?

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Yes, the government would have saved us. That's his answer to every ill. Stupid Christians and not enough govt. control over our hapless lives.

Thanks for clarifying the entire quote. ;-) I'll have to find an alternative (hopefully extended) video of the segment.

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^tell me, what is logically incorrect about the above? it doesn't matter if Obama/Jesus/Carrot Top said the above as long as it makes sense.

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;920588]Highsteppa, the vacuousness of your position is visible for anyone to see, your homo quips notwithstanding. [/QUOTE]

Oh please, I thought it was already established on this board that it's a public forum, and you're playing the victim claiming of thought policing and "tEh LibaRaLs R cUmiN' 2 gHet mE" shit is as asinine as runnynose's attempts to back up any argument with some random, single internet link and assumes that it allows him some bullshit ghetto pass for the nonsense he posts. Even more asinine is how you and him are desperate to be seen as some kind of authority on these matters with both of you idiots simply searching for whatever confirms your paranoid little fantasies for that day, and stopping as soon as you've confirmed it. Any counter thought or expression of disagreement to your little microcosm of a universe you've built that day is met with hostility. Lighten the fuck up and enough the the cognitive dissonance.

I'm sure that with a couple of searches on Google, I could find some webpage that says your mom's a whore - it doesn't mean it's true.

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;920591]Yes, the government would have saved us. That's his answer to every ill. Stupid Christians and not enough govt. control over our hapless lives.

Thanks for clarifying the entire quote. ;-) I'll have to find an alternative (hopefully extended) video of the segment.[/QUOTE]

Government wouldn't have done shit. One random dude who wants to kill people in some spree is never going to be stopped by the government no matter what. Not at least until RM's wet dreams come true and we all are monitored by the NSA in our homes 24/7. Less guns floating around would have fixed the issue though.

How many shooting deaths were there in Japan last year?

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This is a sad state of affairs for the US news media though (if this is/still is) true, no matter how you look at it from any side:

[URL]http://google.com/search?q=most+trusted+news+reporter[/URL]

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^We agree.

Highsteppa, nothing I say will prove to you that there's a left-leaning media bias. It has been proven in spades since the shooting of the public official (if it wasn't obvious already). You don't think it exists, so we're at a crossroads. And likewise, you only acknowledge evidence that supports your own microcosm and belief system, so spare me the cognitive dissonance accusations.

Res, less guns floating around...mmm right. I don't buy it. The wackjob was obsessed and if there's anything that determined criminals/loose canons have proven, it's their resourcefulness and ability to improvise and skirt laws/regulations. He was at point blank range, was he not? He simply could've used a sharp instrument to do the deed if not a gun. It's the old adage, guns don't kill people, etc.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;920595]This is a sad state of affairs for the US news media though, no matter how you look at it from any side:

[URL]http://google.com/search?q=most+trusted+news+reporter[/URL][/QUOTE]

THIS is a sad state of affairs? you know what's sad? calling stewart a 'newsman'

also sad: the way the msm and liberal commentators handled the tuscon shooting. that's depressing, really.

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^unfortunately I think a lot of people have dismissed the standard newsmen as more loudmouth talking heads and have rolled comedians reporting the news under the blanket of actual reporters now. i think stewart even says he is just a guy doing a comedy show that makes fun of politics/current events, but alot of people seem to think otherwise now.

the msm always sucks for anything involving violence imo, they always just want to focus on the scariest/most outlandish bloody elements to try and scare people and make copy. shit really....but i would hope many could see past that nonsense and boil events down into what really matches up with reality and dismiss all the bullshit/hype just to sell newspapers and this weeks Dateline Murder Mystery.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;920601]^unfortunately I think a lot of people have dismissed the standard newsmen as more loudmouth talking heads and have rolled comedians reporting the news under the blanket of actual reporters now. i think stewart even says he is just a guy doing a comedy show that makes fun of politics/current events, but alot of people seem to think otherwise now.

the msm always sucks for anything involving violence imo, they always just want to focus on the scariest/most outlandish bloody elements to try and scare people and make copy. shit really.[/QUOTE]

like who is a loudmouth newsman?

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;920596]Highsteppa, nothing I say will prove to you that there's a left-leaning media bias. It has been proven in spades since the shooting of the public official (if it wasn't obvious already).[/QUOTE]

Uh huh. Questioning the violence themed rhetoric and it's involvement in the shooting of a public official in the same way that has been used to scrutinize pop culture whenever there's a public, violent act is a total left leaning agenda. Or a self serving excuse for a position that you're not comfortable with.

[quote] You don't think it exists, so we're at a crossroads. And likewise, you only acknowledge evidence that supports your own microcosm and belief system, so spare me the cognitive dissonance accusations.[/quote]Funny, I never said that. I've said that maybe the argument has deserved scrutiny and maybe it doesn't. I've said that in order to be taken seriously as a political movement, the Tea Party needs to take control of their media image. Quote me where I've specifically said that there is no left leaning bias or anything regarding that.

And that doesn't mean that I'm saying there is. I'm saying that the media is applying the same scrutiny to the violence themed, over the top language that has been polluting the American scene for months like they have whenever some kind of violent act comes up and the media are looking to oversimplify the issue.

But, as usual, you're selectively reading what you want and disregarding the rest.

And the "I know you are but what am I" retort is still weak when you pretty much use the same wording that I just used to describe you. Or, is this you're latest argument for "thought policing" in order to excuse yourself of having anything original to say back? It's amazing how you paranoid peeps go running to their Orwell like a fat kid going after a rolling Smartie. Yeah, great, 1984 and Animal Farm are great books, but Christ, you guys over use that shit more than Dog The Bounty Hunter tells peeps to find Jesus and to "get off the ice, brah".

Try again.

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;920603]like who is a loudmouth newsman?[/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jbyrV.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/jVB8n.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/0RMvF.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YhWLj.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/FFj29.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Z7C0O.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/6JdMM.gif[/IMG]

You really need this pointed out? When your personality becomes more the reason why people tune in (not saying all of the above, but def applicable to oreilly and beck) vs the news you are reporting, you have become more:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/lUWZt.jpg[/IMG]

than:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/8Z6dk.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=Highsteppa;920604]Uh huh. Questioning the violence themed rhetoric and it's involvement in the shooting of a public official in the same way that has been used to scrutinize pop culture whenever there's a public, violent act is a total left leaning agenda. Or a self serving excuse for a position that you're not comfortable with.

Funny, I never said that. I've said that maybe the argument has deserved scrutiny and maybe it doesn't. I've said that in order to be taken seriously as a political movement, the Tea Party needs to take control of their media image. Quote me where I've specifically said that there is no left leaning bias or anything regarding that.

And that doesn't mean that I'm saying there is. I'm saying that the media is applying the same scrutiny to the violence themed, over the top language that has been polluting the American scene for months like they have whenever some kind of violent act comes up and the media are looking to oversimplify the issue.

But, as usual, you're selectively reading what you want and disregarding the rest.

And the "I know you are but what am I" retort is still weak when you pretty much use the same wording that I just used to describe you. Or, is this you're latest argument for "thought policing" in order to excuse yourself of having anything original to say back? It's amazing how you paranoid peeps go running to their Orwell like a fat kid going after a rolling Smartie.

Try again.[/QUOTE]

there is no connection. why is this so hard to understand? how did it guide Loughner to pull the trigger? what proof do you have that Loughner was influenced by any right wing 'rhetoric'.

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sanchez and shep are the only newsmen you've posted. everyone else is a commentator. and sanchez got his ass fired (not sure about shep).

funny how you didn't include two airhead comedians in that lot.

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;920606]there is no connection. why is this so hard to understand? how did it guide Loughner to pull the trigger? what proof do you have that Loughner was influenced by any right wing 'rhetoric'.[/QUOTE]

Have you interviewed him? No one has much on him other than he's nuts from the random facts people are still piecing together.

I haven't said that it's right wing rhetoric that influenced him - you did. I said violent rhetoric.

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[QUOTE=Highsteppa;920604] Yeah, great, 1984 and Animal Farm are great books, but Christ, you guys over use that shit more than Dog The Bounty Hunter tells peeps to find Jesus and to "get off the ice, brah".[/QUOTE]

True.

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;920607]sanchez and shep are the only newsmen you've posted. everyone else is a commentator. and sanchez got his ass fired (not sure about shep).

funny how you didn't include two airhead comedians in that lot.[/QUOTE]

^you said reporters, i am 100% happy to say that stewart and maher are comedians. and you can bank on 98% of america seeing any of those commentators/newsmen/talking heads above as reporters because of the fact that they are on fox/cnn/msnbc/etc all the time. it is great that christiane amapour was chief international correspondent for cnn for almost 30 years, but since she is not a daily loud obnoxious fuck she is unfortunately not going to influence anywhere near the likes of oreilly or glenn becks stupid ass.

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Highsteppa, you are totally convinced it's tea party rhetoric that brought this guy (whose friend said he paid no particular attention to left or right politics) out to shoot a blue dog democrat. DOES NOT COMPUTE. Now you're adjusting your argument to claim "violent rhetoric" is to blame yet scores of examples of left-wing violence have been referenced to reveal that violence is not perpetuated exclusively by one political movement, but you hold strong by saying only the tea party needs to address its media image. I can't take you seriously.

Re: Sheppard, I can only recall one loud-mouthed episode from him, and that was during the worsening conditions at the Superdome post Hurricane Katrina.

Amanpour is a statist rubber-stamp for the US Govt. who deserves no more credit than "controlled opposition" O'Reilly.

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;920611]Highsteppa, you are totally convinced it's tea party rhetoric that brought this guy (whose friend said he paid no particular attention to left or right politics) out to shoot a blue dog democrat. DOES NOT COMPUTE.Now you're saying it's violence yet multiple examples of the left-wing violence has been referenced to reveal that violence is not perpetuated exclusively by one political movement. [/QUOTE]

Again, selective reading on your part

I never said that.

Try again, sit on your hands before you start typing and try to think really hard before you do. It's really funny to see how desperate you are to try and prove your point with the nonsense you keep spewing.

P.S. Nice try at editing your post to try to strengthen your argument, it's still a fail.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;920610]^you said reporters[/quote]

i did?

[quote]i am 100% happy to say that stewart and maher are comedians. and you can bank on 98% of america seeing any of those commentators/newsmen/talking heads above as reporters because of the fact that they are on fox/cnn/msnbc/etc all the time. it is great that christiane amapour was chief international correspondent for cnn for almost 30 years, but since she is not a daily loud obnoxious fuck she is unfortunately not going to influence anywhere near the likes of oreilly or glenn becks stupid ass.[/QUOTE]

lmao. where to begin.