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But its longer than 3 minutes:!: It says at the beginning of Star Wars Along Time Ago In A Galaxy Far Far Away do you believe in Star Wars to :lol:

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sorry, hate to disappoint you, but i do actually watch docu's by reputable directors/news sources; not scrounging youtube and other forums for 4 hour dissertations by guys with their webcams from their basements talking about vast conspiracies. :D

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841302]sorry runningman this wasnt a conspiracy from the top down to directly torture and humiliate prisoners. [/QUOTE]

So you don't think the US committed any War crimes in Iraq:?:

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841309]sorry, hate to disappoint you, but i do actually watch docu's by reputable directors/news sources; not scrounging youtube and other forums for 4 hour dissertations by guys with their webcams from their basements talking about vast conspiracies. :D[/QUOTE]

Like CNN and ABC :lol: Your the dreamer here

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So you don't see someone like Robert Fisk who was a middle east correspondent for the Independent for 30 years as a reputable source. Or Martin Bell BBC war correspondent since 1977. You got the names of anyone you consider reputable? or have we got to wait while you Google someone

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[QUOTE=chunky;841311]So you don't think the US committed any War crimes in Iraq:?:[/QUOTE]

Of course they did. Every country who as ever fought in any war in the history of the world has. People are people, not saints, this should be obvious. But a few people commiting crimes != everyone who works for the US gov't knew, was involved, and covered it up. Again this is reality.

[QUOTE=chunky;841314]So you don't see someone like Robert Fisk who was a middle east correspondent for the Independent for 30 years as a reputable source. You got the names of anyone you consider reputable? or have we got to wait while you Google someone[/QUOTE]

I've watched some of the clips you guys post but the 3 hour ones I just cant convince myself that it will be anything that would make my life any better, I most likely would be pissed off for wasting my life...sorry.

You and runningman dismiss 98% of the things out there and just focus on a few nutty ideas, so cut the rest of us some slack :)

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841316] I've watched some of the clips you guys post but the 3 hour ones I just cant convince myself that it will be anything that would make my life any better, I most likely would be pissed off for wasting my life...so sorry.[/QUOTE]

So what your saying is you would rather bury your head in the sand and your not interested because your scared of the truth. Its not something you want to think about. Funny thing is someone at work had the same view as you. I showed him a few films he changed :lol:

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nah, i just know what I'm going to watch is going to lower my IQ by a few points and piss me off that i've wasted my precious time on it that i'd want to punch myself, so I just let others perpetuate that type of sillyness and stick with reality....

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841316]Of course they did. Every country who as ever fought in any war in the history of the world has. People are people, not saints, this should be obvious. But a few people commiting crimes != everyone who works for the US gov't knew, was involved, and covered it up. Again this is reality. [/QUOTE]

I don't think any war crimes where committed in the Falklands. Then again I'm going on what Martin Bell reported back in 1982. He did an interesting Chanel 4 documentary for 30 Minutes a few years back. Its an interesting watch. There's also no web cams or basements involved.;)

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841320]nah, i just know what I'm going to watch is going to lower my IQ by a few points and piss me off that i've wasted my precious time on it that i'd want to punch myself, so I just let others perpetuate that type of sillyness and stick with reality....[/QUOTE]

Ahh your a self harmer that explains everything

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Chunky it is pointless. Resonator is brainwashed. I mean look at his quotes about the US can commit any crime they want but they aren't the bad guys ever. He watches credible documentaries like Frontline and whatever special CNBC has on. He is a square head. He has been indoctrined into the holy faith of lies.

In his mind a 500mph plane can disintegrate because he can't fathom the physics of what happens to planes when they crash. Apparently they disintegrate and the buildings fall into their own footprint because it makes sense for them to fall into the most resistance.

Oh the brainwashed. I mean look the US admits that 33% (which I'm sure is a lie probably more like 80%) of these drone surgical strikes kill innocent civilians. Resonator is probably ok with that as well.

Innocent people dying probably gives him a hard on... and we are the nut jobs because we want a proper investigation..

He probably also thinks The Jersey Kills should be held for treason.

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[QUOTE=runningman;841344]Chunky it is pointless. Resonator is brainwashed. I mean look at his quotes about the US can commit any crime they want but they aren't the bad guys ever. He watches credible documentaries like Frontline and whatever special CNBC has on. He is a square head. He has been indoctrined into the holy faith of lies.
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i dont think ive said that the us never does anything bad. i think you need to look up Venn Diagrams on wikipedia. :lol: see the part where the two circles intersect? that is real life. everything is not black and white.

[QUOTE=runningman;841344] In his mind a 500mph plane can disintegrate because he can't fathom the physics of what happens to planes when they crash. Apparently they disintegrate and the buildings fall into their own footprint because it makes sense for them to fall into the most resistance.[/QUOTE]

We could have Osama Bin Laden himself and also every member of Al Qaeda come on tv and testify and agree with everyone (who is in tune with reality) that this was a plane and buildings collapsed due to a half million pound object hitting it, not bombs/missiles/photon torpedoes thus weakening its integrity causing it collapse. But that wouldn't be good enough because this won't jive with your view that the USA is Satan Incarnite. :)

[QUOTE=runningman;841344] Oh the brainwashed. I mean look the US admits that 33% (which I'm sure is a lie probably more like 80%) of these drone surgical strikes kill innocent civilians. Resonator is probably ok with that as well.
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Not ok with it like the above point about the US never doing anything bad. Civilian casualties actually hurt the US cause which I'm sure you've glossed over so you would think that the more of those that happen would not be good right? Again, middle ground here, shitty shit happens in war. War is shit.

[QUOTE=runningman;841344] He probably also thinks The Jersey Kills should be held for treason. [/QUOTE]

Wtf is this? :|

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841375]

Wtf is this? :|[/QUOTE]

The fact you had to ask show you are more ignorant than you want to admit. Typos or not.

[URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Girls[/URL]

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^ Jersey Kills???

And we are just expected to read that as Jersey girls??

Sep 28 = Sep 11

War on turtles = War on terror

Oaklahoma bakeries = Oaklahoma bomber

Shall I go on?

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[QUOTE=dig72;842300]^ Jersey Kills???

And we are just expected to read that as Jersey girls??

Sep 28 = Sep 11

War on turtles = War on terror

Oaklahoma bakeries = Oaklahoma bomber

Shall I go on?[/QUOTE]

It was pretty obvious considering the topic was 9/11. and res0 is a well read man, it wasn't hard to work out it was a typo. :lol:

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Ya I thought it was pretty easy once you mention 9/11 the first thing that should come to mind when JERSEY is involved..

Especially THE JERSEY kills (Girls).. only people highly educated on 9/11 get that though. It does show your 9/11 IQ.

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Sorry hadn't heard of em, or didn't really register. Sounds like they were a group of widows questioning the 9/11 Commission. Got it.

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Fuck me you really are ignorant. They where the only reason there was an investigation into 9/11. They also took part in the investigation

[QUOTE]As part of the 9/11 Family Steering Committee they helped form, the Jersey Girls monitored and often criticized the 9/11 Commission after they lobbied successfully for its creation. The Jersey Girls pressured the U.S. government for months to have National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice testify in front of the Commission; when she refused to testify under oath in March 2004, "they walked out in silent protest." The White House, in a "dramatic about-face," gave in and Rice testified.

When it became clear that the Commission had omitted crucial information from its report, the widows called for a new independent panel. "I'm very disturbed, and I want to get some answers," said Breitweiser. "I want to know what the truth is." She called the 2004 findings "an utterly hollow report." [/QUOTE]

There is an interesting documentary on them, but I don't want you self harming so I won't post a link.:lol:

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read the link. got what your saying. they questioned the investigation. therefore top to bottom conspiracy. next.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;842563]read the link. got what your saying. they questioned the investigation. therefore top to bottom conspiracy. next.[/QUOTE]

You really are a whack job. You believe everything you government tells you, you never seem to question anything. You will be telling me next Warren Anderson shouldn't be extradited over bhopal. That is if you even knew about bhopal

[QUOTE]The Jersey Girls were part of the [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/w/index.php?title=Family_Steering_Committee&action=edit&redlink=1"][COLOR=#ba0000]Family Steering Committee[/COLOR][/URL], whose members were instrumental in the creation of the [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/wiki/9/11_Commission"][COLOR=#002bb8]9/11 Commission[/COLOR][/URL] and in pressing the commission to oversee a thorough and credible investigation.[/QUOTE]

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I dont believe everything the gov't tells me. I also don't think everything the gov't does has some sort of alternative :runningman: grand scheme behind it. I don't believe in one extreme or the other. Sorry to disappoint.

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This thread title reads like a crazy extremist newspaper article title.

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[QUOTE=runningman;842539]Ya I thought it was pretty easy once you mention 9/11 the first thing that should come to mind when JERSEY is involved.. [/QUOTE]

That's the problem when we assume things and think that everybody is on the same page.

My point is, If you are trying to educate people on certain topics, then it makes sense that the info you're passing on or are talking about is correct.

Just sayin.

Peace

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841298]i have no problem dealing with the fact that you are living in a dreamworld about this, which is fine by me, ive accepted that. im just having a hard time understanding how someone can be so out of touch with reality. :D

also (a dozen?) abu ghraib soldiers perpetrating and directly involved with war crimes != hundreds of scientists who were not involved in any way with the events of 9/11 and are totally independent observers. sorry to sneak that little fact in.[/QUOTE]

out of touch with reality? check yourself :roll:

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[img]http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a19/grnadmastershek/truther.jpg[/img]

Ahahahahaha

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Ya thin air.

You Deniers are the ones dying to hold on to normalcy. It really is patheitic. You're from Toronto so what do you know? I mean what EVER came out of TO?

It's a scientific fact that Torontonians can't think for themselves.

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[QUOTE=runningman;845866] It's a scientific fact that Torontonians can't think for themselves.[/QUOTE]

you really hurt your own credibility with ignorant statements like this one buddy.

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does that mean I'm not gonna be invited to the Christmas Party this year?

I'm from London which is an hour from TO.. Everyone knows that TO people are anti social and stare at the ground when they walk through life.. Everyone knows that.

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You know what's funny about "Truthers" and other conspiracy theorists?

They're no different from religious fundamentalists - rejecting any rational thought, explanation or even concrete proof in order to protect their self appointed conviction of the world. Any group that calls itself "Truthers" is scrambling for credibility before they've even made their argument.

Runningman is this board's Pat Robertson.

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[QUOTE=runningman;845875]does that mean I'm not gonna be invited to the Christmas Party this year?

I'm from London which is an hour from TO.. Everyone knows that TO people are anti social and stare at the ground when they walk through life.. Everyone knows that.[/QUOTE]

I knew there was a hick-like quality to you.

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[QUOTE=Highsteppa;846040] They're no different from religious fundamentalists - rejecting any rational thought, explanation or even concrete proof in order to protect their self appointed conviction of the world. Any group that calls itself "Truthers" is scrambling for credibility before they've even made their argument. .[/QUOTE]

Which part of this stands up to rational thought? buildings that just fall down. Scientific theories that couldn't be recreated. Vaporising aircraft, Antique CCTV. buildings dropping at near free fall speed. Witness testimonies not released to the public. Alleged terrorist leaders saying I didn't then no I dint do it then I did it again :what What part of 9/11 have we had concrete proof of.

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hahaha.. hick like.

Spoken like a true TO person. What language do they speak up there in toronto now? It sure as hell isn't english or french. The only difference between Shanghai and Toronto is the CN tower.

You couldn't pay me enough money to move that rat nest. I especially love the rent in TO $1500 for a single bed rat nest apartment... ohh yes you have it great up there....:lol:

What credibility does the 9/11 commision have when 6 out of the 10 commissioners don't even believe the story? God I guess every country has its idiots.

PS - They didn't call themselves truthers that was propaganda made up by the MSM. They are called 9/11 Truth. just like Birth'ers it is so simple minded folk like yourself can lump them all into one group.

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I love it the way some of you think that people don't think rationally. Or come up with some strange idea that and email from an observer will make us change our view. It even funner when they put "we mite just consider this case-closed" at the end of there one sided explanation.

Then when all else fails call them a Holocaust denier, like miro's man did to Steven Jones in their TV debate. Or NIST did on TV with Dylan Avery.

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[QUOTE=Highsteppa;846040] They're no different from religious fundamentalists - rejecting any rational thought, explanation or even concrete proof in order to protect their self appointed conviction of the world. .[/QUOTE]

This isn't just fundamentalists this is all people who believe in God. You missed out a lot of the population there.

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[QUOTE=chunky;846056]I love it the way some of you think that people don't think rationally. Or come up with some strange idea that and email from an observer will make us change our view. It even funner when they put "we mite just consider this case-closed" at the end of there one sided explanation.

Then when all else fails call them a Holocaust denier, like miro's man did to Steven Jones in their TV debate. Or NIST did on TV with Dylan Avery.[/QUOTE]

College film maker watching shitty youtube videos > NIST scientists with Civil and Structural Engineering Degrees. Rational thinking indeed. :lol:

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[COLOR=Red]1137[/COLOR] architects and enginner put their career on the line. NIST depends on gov't funding. You do the math.

Also why doesn't the NIST just hand over the left over evidence that they still have to the architects and enginners for 9/11 Truth?

Also 85% of Canadians think 9/11 was an inside job.

[URL]http://intellectualthought.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1077[/URL]

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i think the most blatant noticeable difference in perception was displayed when either Chunky or Rm posted the video the debate below...

... that pretty much sums up the fundamental failure of communication we are having with each other... you guys see one thing and some of us see something entirely differently.

tell me again guys, who wins the following debate?

1 [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M[/YOUTUBE] 2 [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d0XEHahJ2Q[/YOUTUBE] 3 [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_Fm3Zc7D8I[/YOUTUBE] 4 [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpckijMVe3I[/YOUTUBE] 5 [YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEg6XEP-Cig[/YOUTUBE]

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:lol: come on now, even you know trying to pass off that 85% number above is bullshit. Really?

[URL="http://intellectualthought.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1077"]Radio Poll: 85% Of Canadians Believe 9/11 Inside Job[/URL]

There were a total of probably 25 respondents and all of them either called back the show (which was about 9/11 being an inside job), or some other nonsense. :lol:

Since we all are throwing about random url's by random people here are the top 10 bonehead mistakes by Architects for 9/11 blah blah blah.

[URL]http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes[/URL]

[LIST] [] [LIST] [][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes#Covering_Up_An_Admission_of_This_Subject_Being_Outside_Their_Expertise"]Covering Up An Admission of This Subject Being Outside Their Expertise[/URL] [][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes#The_Use_of_Discredited_Sources"]The Use of Discredited Sources[/URL] [][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes#The_Ever_Changing_Features_List"]The Ever-Changing Features List[/URL] [][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes#Selective_Use_of_Authorities"]Selective Use of Authorities[/URL] [][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes#Publishing_Pictures_of_The_Pancakes"]Publishing Pictures of The Pancakes[/URL] [][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes#Misunderstanding_The_ARA_Contract"]Misunderstanding The ARA Contract[/URL] [][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes#quot_Freefall_quot_or_quot_Near_Freefall_quot_"]"Freefall" or "Near Freefall"[/URL] [][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes#Illegitimate_Comparison_of_Flame_Engulfed_Buildings"]Illegitimate Comparison of Flame-Engulfed Buildings[/URL] [][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes#Chandler_Video_Helps_Prove_NIST_WTC_7_Model_Valid"]Chandler Video Helps Prove NIST WTC 7 Model Valid[/URL] [][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes#Dismissal_of_the_Piledriver"]Dismissal of the Piledriver[/URL] [][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes#Only_10_Boneheaded_Mistakes_"]Only 10 Boneheaded Mistakes?[/URL] [*][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Top+10+Boneheaded+Mistakes#The_One_Major_Mistake"]The One Major Mistakes[/URL] [/LIST]

[B]The Use of Discredited Sources[/B]

[URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Richard+Gage"]Richard Gage[/URL] freely admits to borrowing from others, but never to the extent you would imagine.

His entire presentation rests on the work done by others, people like [URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Steven+Jones"]Steven Jones[/URL], [URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Jim+Hoffman"]Jim Hoffman[/URL], [URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Kevin+Ryan"]Kevin Ryan[/URL], and [URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=David+Ray+Griffin"]David Ray Griffin[/URL]. He also uses clips from and promotes a variety of 9/11 conspiracy films. The most predominant are [I][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=911+Mysteries"]911 Mysteries[/URL][/I] and [I][URL="http://ae911truth.info/tiki-index.php?page=Loose+Change"]Loose Change[/URL][/I]. A variety of other arguments long seen in the debunking wars make their way into the presentation. I've seen evidence that even the slides that make up his presentation came from the slideshows of others. [/LIST]

etc etc. OK I'm done on this one. Have fun. :D

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;846074]

[COLOR=RoyalBlue]There were a total of [/COLOR][COLOR=RoyalBlue][COLOR=Red]probably[/COLOR] 25 respondents [/COLOR]and all of them either called back the show (which was about 9/11 being an inside job), or some other nonsense. :lol:

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I see we get to see more of Reso's scientific data...:lol:

1137 and counting Reso.. How many do you have?

Lee Hamilton perhaps? <---Be careful this might be a trap..:lol:

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;846062]College film maker watching shitty youtube videos > NIST scientists with Civil and Structural Engineering Degrees. Rational thinking indeed. :lol:[/QUOTE]

Like NIST engineers who couldn't recreate their theories. Antique CCTV in the headquarters of the United States Department of Defense rational thinking indeed