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The War on Truthers

526 durable postsStarted 2010-03-06Latest 2011-03-21
#81125Post 1 of 526

There seems to be a major media campaign attempting to merge anyone who does bad things to the 9/11 truth movement. The Pentagon shooter was reported as a truther, the CIA plane was also an apparent 9/11 truther. Glen Beck on his show a few weeks back had said that the 9/11 truthers were going to try to assasinate Obama.

This is a way to shut down the internet IMO. The conspiracies are gaining to much traction and the gov't is dying to regulate the internet.

To be honest it is refreshing to be a truther. Because what are you if you're not a truther?? That's right a liar!!

#1344821Post 2 of 526

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I watched this last night. I quite enjoyed it

Ask All You Like about 9/11, But Just Don't Ask Why? Dr. Robert Fisk

[URL]http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/107[/URL]

#1344830Post 3 of 526

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I doubt anybody will watch it but us Chunky. It is smart people from mit talking about 9/11. It is better to look away and have your beliefs then be rattled to the core with truth.

Resonator you should really wtch this. This guy predicted the propaganda future.

#1344903Post 4 of 526

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[IMG]http://www.wineberserkers.com/images/smilies/highfive.gif[/IMG]

I'll watch to fall asleep tonight

#1344907Post 5 of 526

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Let us know how much you actually watched

#1344909Post 6 of 526

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Why is it all the links you guys post are ~3 hour long speeches, yet the stuff you think is propaganda (like the bill gates clip) are 3 minute segments of hour long talks, with one sentence ripped out and turned into a full blown Illuminati conspiracy? :lol:

#1344910Post 7 of 526

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[QUOTE=runningman;840912]There seems to be a major media campaign attempting to merge anyone who does bad things to the 9/11 truth movement. The Pentagon shooter was reported as a truther, the CIA plane was also an apparent 9/11 truther. Glen Beck on his show a few weeks back had said that the 9/11 truthers were going to try to assasinate Obama.

This is a way to shut down the internet IMO. The conspiracies are gaining to much traction and the gov't is dying to regulate the internet.

To be honest it is refreshing to be a truther. Because what are you if you're not a truther?? That's right a liar!![/QUOTE] What "war" on truthers? Most of the truthers have always been paranoid whackjobs from Day 1, and nobody needs any campaign to demonstrate this since the truthers usually do a perfectly clear job of if themselves within five minutes of opening their mouths. Nothing has changed.

#1344914Post 8 of 526

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The Information War. I get more truth from cartoons than the MSM

well most of the bad things done lately have been by people with University Degrees. maybe we should classify them as the possible terrorists.

Degree'ers

Also why are they "whackjobs" again?

#1344917Post 9 of 526

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841012]Why is it all the links you guys post are ~3 hour long speeches, yet the stuff you think is propaganda (like the bill gates clip) are 3 minute segments of hour long talks, with one sentence ripped out and turned into a full blown Illuminati conspiracy? :lol:[/QUOTE]

Maybe because as you have said in the past you can't be bothered to watch anything longer than 3 minutes.

Interestingly as Robert Fisk points out several times in his talk whenever anyone didn't like what he was reporting they branded him a Holocaust denier. Sounds familiar.

#1344918Post 10 of 526

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I was just calling you ignorant.

#1344920Post 11 of 526

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quality

#1344958Post 12 of 526

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[QUOTE=runningman;841017]The Information War. I get more truth from cartoons than the MSM

well most of the bad things done lately have been by people with University Degrees. maybe we should classify them as the possible terrorists.

Degree'ers

Also why are they "whackjobs" again?[/QUOTE] If you're talking about these latest two cases, it would be because they became so delusional and paranoid with their government conspiracies that they decided that flying a plane into a building of IRS workers and shooting guards at the Pentagon was a reasonable course of action.

#1344963Post 13 of 526

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Hey did anyone notice the serious lack of damage at the front of the IRS building ?

#1344964Post 14 of 526

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I know i can't believe that building didn't fall over from fire into it's own footprint... The IRS buildings must be made better then the WTC were.

Miro I am not condoning their actions but I told you guys a long time ago that the American people are pissed off and things like this would happen. They obviously thought that they were getting screwed at every turn and lashed out in a violent rage. More of this is going to happen as long as you have a President who doesn't listen and a congress with an approval rating of 10%

#1344974Post 15 of 526

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[QUOTE=chunky;841066]Hey did anyone notice the serious lack of damage at the front of the IRS building ?[/QUOTE] You're joking, right...

#1344976Post 16 of 526

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[QUOTE=Miroslav;841077]You're joking, right...[/QUOTE]

That depends what you mean by joking ;)

#1344978Post 17 of 526

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Here's another one of your "truthers". You should be proud to be in such good company. This guy also claims that the entire Holocaust during WW2 was a lie, too. His delusional paranoia is only exceeded by those reclusive dictatorial freaks in North Korea.

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100306/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran[/url]

#1344985Post 18 of 526

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[QUOTE=chunky;841066]Hey did anyone notice the serious lack of damage at the front of the IRS building ?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=runningman;841067]I know i can't believe that building didn't fall over from fire into it's own footprint... The IRS buildings must be made better then the WTC were. [/QUOTE]

IRS building plane: Piper Cherokee. Approx Weight: 1,900-3,000lbs.

WTC building plane: Boeing 767. Max Takeoff Weight: 315,000-450,000lbs.

[IMG]http://memegenerator.net/File/ImageMacro/656662.jpg[/IMG]

#1345018Post 19 of 526

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I think that one went over your head. There was loads of damage in front of the IRS building unlike the Pentagon where nearly everything got sucked inside and Oh yes disintegrated.

[IMG]http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2010/02/18/us/18cnd-planespan/18cnd-planespan-articleLarge.jpg[/IMG]

#1345019Post 20 of 526

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[QUOTE=Miroslav;841081]Here's another one of your "truthers". You should be proud to be in such good company. This guy also claims that the entire Holocaust during WW2 was a lie, too. His delusional paranoia is only exceeded by those reclusive dictatorial freaks in North Korea.

[URL]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100306/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran[/URL][/QUOTE]

So if you agree with someones views on say health care and that person just happens to believe in God should that mean you should believe in god to :what

#1345118Post 21 of 526

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Another "educated" man. I think I'm on to something here..:D

But seriously Miro how can you fall into such cheap propaganda? I mean they want you to say things like that. That is why that article was written. It is called guilt by association. "If I agree that 9/11 should be investigated then I'm just as bad as Ahmadinejad.".. Pathetic

Can't you see that? I thought you were smarter.

I urge you to watch that propaganda piece I posted a few weeks back called Propaganda and the CFR.

#1345132Post 22 of 526

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Alex Jones goes off on Geraldo

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-XjX00UHkk[/YOUTUBE]

#1345133Post 23 of 526

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I mean look at this propaganda. They are hitting it hard.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXuLZyvQi_M&feature=bulletin[/YOUTUBE]

#1345140Post 24 of 526

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Some random IRS building in Texas is just another building made of standard building materials, the Pentagon is the f*cking Pentagon. :lol:

#1345146Post 25 of 526

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;841267]Some random IRS building in Texas is just another building made of standard building materials, the Pentagon is the f*cking Pentagon. :lol:[/QUOTE]

The Pentagon a building with substandard CCTV (and when I say substandard I mean our bike shed at work has better CCTV) I'm guessing you mean by standard building materials you mean designed not to suck everything inside then let it disappear.:lol:

#1345149Post 26 of 526

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No you mean ignore physics, scientific evidence and logic.

#1345150Post 27 of 526

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[QUOTE=runningman;841257]Alex Jones goes off on Geraldo [/QUOTE]

Kimberly didn't have much to say :lol: Apparently the bloke smoked Marijuana, so are all Marijuana smokers Holocaust deniers & conspiracy theorists:lol:

#1345152Post 28 of 526

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841276]No you mean ignore physics, scientific evidence and logic.[/QUOTE]

Physics like free fall speed. Or buildings that just fall down after no plane has hit them

#1345153Post 29 of 526

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well the pentagon is fire proof for starters...:lol:

...the area hit, on the side of the Heliport Entrance facade, was the section best prepared for such an attack. The renovation there, improvements which resulted from the Oklahoma City bombing, had nearly been completed...

...it was the only area of the Pentagon with a sprinkler system, and it had been reconstructed with a web of steel columns and bars to withstand bomb blasts. The steel reinforcement, bolted together to form a continuous structure through all of the Pentagon's five floors, kept that section of the building from collapsing for 30 minutes—enough time for hundreds of people to crawl out to safety...

...the area struck by the plane also had blast-resistant windows—2 inches thick and 2,500 pounds each—that stayed intact during the crash and fire. It had fire doors that opened automatically and newly built exits that allowed people to get out.

#1345159Post 30 of 526

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Yeah I get all that but the problem is surely if it was the best area to take the impact why did everything get sucked inside when it would of been more logical that it remained on the exterior. The terrorists obviously also knew this because they flew around Washington to make sure they hit the right side. If you look at the IRS wreckage you will also notice the engine didn't make it through the less reinforced building:what

#1345160Post 31 of 526

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From someone who actually has an engineering degree:

[quote] When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide — not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage. [/quote]Since this won't be good enough, just keep holding your breath that ONE DAY MAYBE!!!!! a 120fps 1080p video of the missile hitting the pentagon will be leaked to Woodward and Bernstein. :roflmao:

#1345163Post 32 of 526

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841288]From someone who actually has an engineering degree:

Since this won't be good enough, just keep holding your breath that ONE DAY MAYBE!!!!! a 120fps 1080p video of the missile hitting the pentagon will be leaked to Woodward and Bernstein. :roflmao:[/QUOTE]

We back on the fold up wings again. So one wing now hit the ground then disintegrated:what So if one wing hit the ground and the other didn't are you saying the plane impacted at an angle:?: I can't say I see your logic with the engineering degree either the fact is NIST have not been able to recreate any of the scenarios in the official story except on the Computer simulations

#1345165Post 33 of 526

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how hard is it to understand that an almost half a million pound object flying at 700mph full of fuel cant just go poof? oh right you really dont know either since neither of us have scientific degrees related to this, but i at least will believe that 99% of the people who do understand this in the world agree on the fact that it was a plane. since you dont well...

#1345167Post 34 of 526

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99% of US soldiers in Abu Ghraib thought what was going on was OK. I'm guessing you didn't have a problem either.

Just out of interest where did you get the 99% from ?

#1345168Post 35 of 526

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841293]how hard is it to understand that an almost half a million pound object flying at 700mph full of fuel cant just go poof? oh right you really dont know either since neither of us have scientific degrees related to this, but i at least will believe that 99% of the people who do understand this in the world agree on the fact that it was a plane. since you dont well...[/QUOTE]

So a plane half empty of passengers was filled full with fuel. I'm guessing I got this wrong here but my understanding is that a plane is fueled according to how many passengers are actually on it. And also how long was this plane in the air? If it was full of fuel I'm guessing it must of took off from Washington airport and crashed straight away.:what And if we all don't have scientific degrees we should just shut the fuck up:lol:

#1345169Post 36 of 526

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i have no problem dealing with the fact that you are living in a dreamworld about this, which is fine by me, ive accepted that. im just having a hard time understanding how someone can be so out of touch with reality. :D

also (a dozen?) abu ghraib soldiers perpetrating and directly involved with war crimes != hundreds of scientists who were not involved in any way with the events of 9/11 and are totally independent observers. sorry to sneak that little fact in.

#1345171Post 37 of 526

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841298]

hundreds of scientists who were not involved in any way with the events of 9/11 and are totally independent observers. sorry to sneak that little fact in.[/QUOTE]

I didn't realise there was such a small amount of scientists in the world. :lol: Funny how you only think about a dozen people were involved in abu ghraib.

#1345173Post 38 of 526

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directly involved? yeah probably really only a handful. maybe watch this doc by Errol Morris a bit then try not to be so quickly dismissive kthx. sorry runningman this wasnt a conspiracy from the top down to directly torture and humiliate prisoners.

[URL]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0896866/[/URL]

hundreds? ok thousands. its really a moot point on the actual number of people who've written up formal reports about the incident. thanks for AGAIN validating my point. :)

#1345175Post 39 of 526

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;841302] [URL]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0896866/[/URL]

hundreds? ok thousands. thanks for AGAIN validating my point. :)[/QUOTE]

You havent watched this film have you :?:

#1345176Post 40 of 526

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yes i have

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