ths is humerous from a Canadian perspective but it hits on most of the stereotypes that Americans have on Canada. It's especially funny to hear these comments coming from what are considered the politically "intellectual minds" of the most powerful country in the world. Truely sad for those who know anything about the American / Canadian economy... hope you enjoy

[url]http://mediamatters.org/static/video/cc-200412010011.wmv[/url]

Cheers :cheerz:

[b]"They should be happy we allow them to exist on the same continent!"[/b]

:CrackUp:

What a bimbo...

shes a stupid slut....very arrogant..

so is that fool in the bowtie.

Isn,t Canda the place where they let Pot Smokers do pretty much what they want. They can sell use & by the stuff without worrying about getting arrested.

canada rocks. they do more right things for their people than most countries. a lot more freedom.

From a European point of view, I agree with you on that Sightless...

[quote=thesightless]canada rocks. they do more right things for their people than most countries. a lot more freedom.[/quote]

Except freedom of speech. What, is it wrong now to quote the Bible, if I do recall? The thought police are running rampant in Canada.

Blasphemy is apparently now illegal in the UK.

[b]Slippery slope[/b]

Also, how is there more freedom in countries where the government basically runs everything?

^ u have very strong opinions cosmo.

Blasphemy is illegal in the uk.....what? im not following u :|

Is it wrong to quote the bible, or are they really keen on separating state and religion?

[quote=MasterWA]Isn,t Canda the place where they let Pot Smokers do pretty much what they want. They can sell use & by the stuff without worrying about getting arrested.[/quote]

Just don't get pulled over drunk driving. OHHH Canada! Great place to visit, we have a condo in N. Ontario. Great place for beer, women, fishing, pot, parties, you name it. When I was 18, we were driving to Winzer to party. Canada Rocks. I'm American and I approve this message. :D

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i know some decent people from canada, not many but a few.

Dog sledding.. holy shit.. on CNN :CrackUp: :CrackUp: :CrackUp:

I can't believe that.. at first i thought it was a practical joke.. We need them for protection? from what?? We have $100 billion surplus.. if we need an army we will buy one..

Do you guys see how hard it is for me to want to leave Canada for the USA over this gay marriage thing.. I mean we might have married faggs here but there are brain dead idiots over there..I can't get over that it was on CNN..

The Ego of the american will be there downfall.. they have been told there whole life they are invinsable.. and its not true.. you cant piss everyone off in the world.. the world will fight back. I don't even want to comment to this because it is obvious how stupid these people really are..dogsledding..:CrackUp: :CrackUp:

[quote=Mr.Big] Blasphemy is illegal in the uk.....what? im not following u :|[/quote]

Not sure of the connection but. . .

In 1977, Mary Whitehouse an old dingbat who set up the National Viewers' and Listeners' Association in the 1960's, succesfully prosecuted Gay News Magazine for blasphemy under laws that had been on the statue book for ever!

More recently these specific laws look set to be repealed and replaced with something more suitable for a multi-cultural society that the UK is today!

Recent story [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3752232.stm[/url]

[quote=cosmo][quote=thesightless]canada rocks. they do more right things for their people than most countries. a lot more freedom.[/quote]

Except freedom of speech. What, is it wrong now to quote the Bible, if I do recall? The thought police are running rampant in Canada.

Blasphemy is apparently now illegal in the UK.

[b]Slippery slope[/b]

Also, how is there more freedom in countries where the government basically runs everything?[/quote]

Hey smart ass we aren't part of the UK anymore.. as for for your stupid comment about "your government basically controls everything".. like what our health care?? ya sorry we believe in "the right Life" program.. everybody gets the same treatment.. you think your healthcare is better?? people not allowed to get surgeries because heath care won't cover it?? prescription drugs being sold at a 450% mark up (that is why all your northern states in the USA are now buying it from canada).. ya you rway is so much better where corporations run it.. :wink: :Bingo:

as for the heart surgery- my buddies dad about two months ago needed triple by-pass surgery.. he got it within 3 days..so sorry that happened but that always isn't the case..

[quote=cosmo] Also, how is there more freedom in countries where the government basically runs everything?[/quote]

I agree with you here cosmo.

Canada is a cool place and all, especially to visit. I'm glad its so close, its like a vacation spot in my eyes. But I could never live in such a place. Tolerance to Pot, and lots of other things about the country are very cool. Too bad you can't own your own business, and I certainly wouldn't want to get any sort of medical problem there. Sure its free, as long as you can wait a year for any surgery that isn't completely life threatening. And even then its not guarenteed. My friends uncle needed heart bypass surgery and had to come to the states and pay out of his own pocket to get it done. If he would have waited, he would be dead by now.

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[quote=Platinum]ths is humerous from a Canadian perspective but it hits on most of the stereotypes that Americans have on Canada. It's especially funny to hear these comments coming from what are considered the politically "intellectual minds" of the most powerful country in the world. Truely sad for those who know anything about the American / Canadian economy... hope you enjoy

[url]http://mediamatters.org/static/video/cc-200412010011.wmv[/url]
[/quote]

Thanks for the link. On behalf of Americans everywhere, let me note that, for many, many people here, Ann Coulter is not considered an intellectual mind of any sort.

:wink:

Phew, you got me scared there...Was already afraid about the intellectual level in the US of A :mrgreen:

here you go guys..

American patient dies before paying $642,000 N.S. health bill

Wed Dec 15, 2:30 PM ET

STEVE MACLEOD

HALIFAX (CP) - Nova Scotia taxpayers are on the hook for $642,000 charged to an American patient who spent 183 days in a Halifax hospital before dying without paying.

The revelation was outlined in the annual report of Nova Scotia Auditor General Roy Salmon, who is critical of how Canadian hospitals keep track of patient expenses. "They have no costing systems," Salmon said after releasing his report Wednesday. "They don't know what it costs to maintain a patient in the hospital, either for a short stay or a long stay.

"The rates they set are arbitrary."

The Capital District Health Authority said the patient, whose name, gender or illness were not disclosed, was gravely ill on admission to the Queen Elizabeth II (news - web sites) Health Sciences Centre in Halifax in 2003. The patient died this fall.

Salmon said patient stays at U.S. hospitals are "costed down to the last Band-Aid." But Canadian hospitals use a per diem rate that doesn't accurately reflect the actual cost of treatment.

An examination of hospital records by the attorney general revealed that the patient was undercharged by at least $451,000 for the stay, including a 94-day stint of which only 62 days were actually billed.

The health authority, in a response printed within Salmon's report, said it initially charged the U.S. patient an out-of-country per diem of $3,200 a day, but decided "that would lead to an overstatement of revenues."

It adjusted the per diem to the $1,173 charged to patients from other provinces, but Salmon said there is no record of the actual final cost of treating the unnamed American.

He said his staff came up with the $642,000 figure based solely on the per diem.

Capital District said hospital officials initially believed the patient's insurance would cover the cost of treatment, but the insurer, after paying just $53,000, has refused to cover the rest.

"Under both Canadian and U.S. laws, a hospital cannot refuse emergency services to a patient when required, even if they do not have the ability to pay for those services," the authority said in Salmon's report.

Salmon recommended that the health authority's monitoring of accounts and each patient's ability to pay must be significantly improved.

"They were caught between a rock and a hard place once that patient was admitted," he said.

Angus MacIsaac, Nova Scotia's health minister, didn't know if the province would pursue payment of the dead patient's bill.

"Obviously what I want to do is learn from his report and ensure that we improve our system so we don't face such a situation again," he said.

Diane Whalen, the Liberal's finance critic, called the case "a red flag" that exposes weaknesses in the way non-residents are billed.

"You can't just allow patients to be there with no effort at collection," she told reporters.

The annual report also called for improvements to the province's costly prescription drug program.

Salmon called for the Health Department to develop a long-term strategy for the program, which have seen costs increase 21 per cent over the last three years to $108 million in 2002-2003.

He said the province's contract with Atlantic Blue Cross Care to administer the program is inadequate.

The Health Department should bring in a performance-based, third-party provider that would have clearly defined roles and expectations, the report said.

"We noted the contract is not current and lacks appropriate accountability requirements . . . and performance standards," Salmon said in his 167-page report.

Salmon also urged the Health Department to find ways to reduce drug prices.

"Although we acknowledge that pharmaceutical companies ultimately control the price of drugs . . . the potential savings to the program of even modest price reductions could be significant and warrants further study."

The annual report was Salmon's 13th since becoming auditor general in 1992. He told reporters he will table one more report before retiring and praised the province for improving the way it accounts for its spending.

"There has been an amazing amount of improvement in government management, in financial reporting in terms of completeness, accuracy and timeliness," Salmon said.

"Comparing '92 to 2004 is like comparing night to day."

Fuck the conservatives, man. Canada owns. Do you know why socialism is better in theory than capitalism? Because EVERYONE IS EQUAL! In a pure capitalist state, the fatcats in the tall buildings would put crack into our food, making us addicted. GOVERNMENT INTERVENTION stops everyone from becoming mindless zombies, addicted to the money in their pocket. Oh yeah, not to mention the entire Arab world doesn't want to bomb Canada.

I can't believe that shallow bitch was even allowed on TV. If I had my way with her, I'd shoot her in the face with a silenced bereta, which is now LEGAL TO OWN thanks to the gun-toting republicans.

New question: How can America be a free country when everything is for sale?

if i were to meet eith er of those freak shows i would beat the fucking piss out of them both.. i don't care if she is a woman.. i would deck her in a second.. you have to be held responsible for the things that you say if you are on tv.. she is in an influential position and the sad thing is that a lot of brain dead americans share her views.. "canadaians are just the shitty american".. how can we need them?? if we turn the electricity off in BC like we did to california a couple of years ago how can you operate.. yes we do need them.. but without electricity have a good time.. I don't remember wishing death on someone but those two need to die to shut there mouths.. they have no idea what they are talking about.. i bet they have never been to canada..

the only thing i disagree with about socialism is that no one should be equal(outsdie of oppurtunites and legal freedom) b/c if i work harder and study more than the guy next to me, why shouldnt i make more money than him? if you worked 50 hours and timmy over here worked 30, wouldnt you be pissed if he made the same>

Canada is heading down the slippery slope of multi-culturalism. But someone in Europe has finally woken up:

Politicians are not renowned for saying, "Sorry! I got it wrong." The last one to do so was the habitual drunkard Winston Churchill. After the war's end, in a rare moment of lucidity he remarked, "we have killed the wrong pig." This was an impudence coming from someone so porcine in appearance and habit; an oaf that had so recently traded in the British Empire as the price for digging his nation out of the foxhole he had dug for it.

Now, former German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt says that Germany had been wrong to import foreign workers. He says: "The concept of multiculturalism is actually incompatible with a democratic society. ... [b]If one asks, where in the world are multicultural societies functioning, he quickly comes to the conclusion, that multiculturalism can only exist peacefully within strong authoritarian states. [/b]In that respect it was a mistake that we, in the early 1960s, brought in guestworkers from alien cultures." (Hamburger Abendblatt, Nov. 26, 2004)

He was referring to the three million Turks [there are really nearly 10 million Turks in Germany] who now live in what is left of the dismembered Germany. Surveys reveal that 57% of native Germans fear a culture clash with the Turkish "guests".

Helmut Schmidt: "Some idealists call it multicultural society, the blending of European and non-European cultures, but that kind of society has not succeded anywhere in the world." (Hamburger Abendblatt, Nov. 26, 2004)

He added that whilst he was not averse to Turkey joining the economic (sic) union he was against granting all its 70 million citizens unlimited access to Germany.

Schmidt is sorry? So are tens of millions of Germans who in a state that owes as little to the concept of democracy as its former eastern neighbours, had little say in where their hard-earned taxes go to or who occupies their neighbourhood. - Michael Walsh

[quote] Hey smart ass we aren't part of the UK anymore.. as for for your stupid comment about "your government basically controls everything".. [/quote]

:lol:

I didn't intentionally tie the two together. Just showing you that they are heading in the same direction.

[quote] like what our health care?? ya sorry we believe in "the right Life" program.. everybody gets the same treatment.. you think your healthcare is better??[/quote]

I KNOW our health care system is better. Like C Zen says, people keep having to cross over into the US to get taken care of.

Universal care doesn't work.

[url]http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2001977834_cihak13.html[/url]

no it would work but for some reason our government likes keeping billions of dollars of our money and putting into the surplus.. instead of our $18 billion surplus we shold have taken taht money and used all of it on our health care.. but no we have the liberals in charge who take way to much of our money and have completly dismantled our army over the years.. OUT with the Liberals :RockOn: .. your health care system is all about $$.. the only reason your is better at the moment is because our doctors are becoming greedy fucks and heading over the border to seek financial gain.. i don't blame them but it will be hard for us to keep our docs and nurses as long as you guys keep paying them way to much.. but i don't know how you guys can say your is better set up then ours when yours will give people wrong information and pressure people into the cheapest direction..

[quote]your health care system is all about $$.. [/quote]

All about the money? Who cares? That process has led us to have the highest standard of health care in the world.

The greedy accusation is a lame argument if you ask me.

your health care system may be the best but ours is free... and when I get sick or think i dont feel well Ill go and see any doctor so that in 40 years I dont have to pay out of my ass because I didnt want to pay an arm and a leg from what i thought was a flu at 20 years old but may be something more severe... and if by some chance in 40 years when im really sick and something really bad is happening to me I'll go down to the US and get whatever I need and I'll pay for it if I cant get it done on time in Canada, seems like a pretty good deal to me... Ill take my universal health care and you pay out of your ass all the time with your penny pinching system :roll:

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I like Canadaians....never been to Canada but I'd like to go sometime...but society from every country is arrogant in one way or another...

Well, I don't think Canada is great because of the medicine deely, I mean most people have health insurance when they get a full-time job. I think Canada is great because Iraq doesn't hate Canadians nearly as much as they hate Americans.

I've been to Canada, it is a beatiful country(I was staying right next to Niagara Falls). Ontario is a nice city, the people were nice and they spoke english, and Niagara Falls is just unreal. We paid a pretty penny to take a tour on a helicopter to see it in all its glory.

I agree with platinum: health care can be the best in the world, but what good is it when you can't pay for it? I remember reading that the percentage of insured people in the US is by far not as high as in the Netherlands or any other country with free health care or low insurance costs. That is one of the things I WILL miss when I'm leaving this shithole...

There is no free lunch. Any economist will tell you that. Especially regarding health-care.

were not saying its free. I'm sure its coming from the oil that we pum out of Alberta. But either way its free to me and we have a surplus so that at any moment we can fix it. If we want to be in debt like you guys our hospitals would have gold walls and diamond studed pencils.

[quote]were not saying its free. I'm sure its coming from the oil that we pum out of Alberta. But either way its free to me and we have a surplus so that at any moment we can fix it. If we want to be in debt like you guys our hospitals would have gold walls and diamond studed pencils. [/quote]

A surplus? I hear that you have to wait several months to have procedures done. Why are people coming into America to have procedures done?

surplus - as opposed to debt.. money we have when we need to use it..

Several months for which surgeries.. any life threatning it isn't long at all. also our PM just granted $2 billion for health ccare just a coup[le of weeks ago. so we are fixing the problem and as long as we keep having a surplus because you guys keep buying our raw materials we will be able to fix it hopefully within the next couple of years. For instance my local hospital at the moment has a multi million dollar expansion going as we speak. there is a problem right now i agree but we are addressing it..

the real problem with canadian healthcare isnt withthe system, its with the doctors. they can make a ton more money in america so they usually come here if they are a top specialist. my aunt is a director at long island jewish health care. they get doc from all over.

Same here...

You might advocate leaving the health care sector to the market, but as a result prices and insurance rates have gone up, too. That's why so many people don't have the money to pay for medical care.

My father has been travelling the world as a medic in the offshore industry for as long as I'm around, and even longer, and he was shocked only twice: In the slums of Bombay, and in the south of the US. He had boys my age working on a ship being mentally underdeveloped and thus not qualified, or for instance a guy wit a metal plate in his head and limping, stil recovering from an accident. They both had to work to pay their medical bills while not even up o the job, for crying out loud...

State influence should not be omnipresent, but sometimes is for the better. Keeps your people healthy, for instance...

Education and Health care are sectors not to be touched by the market, states should be responsible for those and the levels in those sectors.

[quote=Yao]I agree with platinum: health care can be the best in the world, but what good is it when you can't pay for it? [/quote]

When comparing Canada and the US in terms of health care, I'm not so sure we have "the best". We have doctors that wouldn't even have been able to make it into Canadian medical schools due to their low scores. And in the States, Mom and Dad were able to make a "donation" to the school and suddenly junior was admitted.

Also keep in mind that Canada pays 70% of their tuition, so you going to get a larger number of applicants and you can then choose the cream of the crop.

Well, that sure makes a difference I guess...and also: privatization of health care means on one side cost-effective policies, but on the other hand that hospitals for instance will try to keep costs low, which may result in the use of equipment of inferior quality, cutting on expenses for equipment or personell (which increases the pressure on the medical staff) and things like that.

When people's live are at stake and you really care about them, you should guarantee quality of care, not leave that quality to the market.

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i'm all the way south in tx and most people i know including myself don't have a negative opinion of canada. i wouldn't mind visiting canada some day. i heard some of the cities there are quite nice.

hey dave when you come bring some of your southern women.. :Naughty: .. I met about 20 women from Texas when i was in cancun and they are Hot.. :Bingo:

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Can i have the one that looks like Jessica Alba ? :D