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Yeah yeah, Fox News......
But...
What do you all think of this??
[B]"Actor Charlie Sheen is demanding a meeting with President Obama to discuss his belief that the September 11 terror attacks were perpetrated by the federal government."[/B]
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,548400,00.html[/url]
This should be an interesting discussion..
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
Well there isn't much theory in it. he is backed by facts. I guess the point of coming out with this fake letter was to get the 20 bullet points out in the open so everyone will educate themselves.
I think the angle he took was in bad taste but I see what he is saying as far as just getting the info out in the open.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
the syphilis finally penetrated his brain!
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
his 20 points are factual though.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=runningman;787359]his 20 points are factual though.[/QUOTE]
:runningman:
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
prove them wrong huggie with fact.
[URL]http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/09/former-high-ranking-intelligence.html[/URL]
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
point number 7 is one of the most well laid out arguments of all time.
quoted in its entirety:
"[COLOR=#101010][U]CS[/U] – [URL="http://www.prisonplanet.com/20_minutes_bibliography.html#briefing7"]Number 7[/URL]; WTC Building 7. Watch the video of its collapse."
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Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
I'm not going to get into it again. Go to astounding thread.
I feel bad for people that don't see that that building was blown up.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
Charlie Sheen Video Message
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyKR2-A0KPU[/YOUTUBE]
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
Obama's response I don't think I will see it in my life time. Hes just going to carry on tolerating what he said he will not tolerate.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=Huggie Smiles;787352]the syphilis finally penetrated his brain![/QUOTE]
:lol::lol:
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=Huggie Smiles;787352]the syphilis finally penetrated his brain![/QUOTE]
:roflmao:
so true.
come on, charlie sheen, the beacon of intelligence and sound judgement, really? you want to waste the presidents time with something like this? the guy who starred in Loaded Weapon 1?
[QUOTE=runningman;787370]prove them wrong huggie with fact.
[URL]http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2009/09/former-high-ranking-intelligence.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.origin.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/[/url]
cant really say much other than that...if you actually read it and understand it then things will become clear. it is actually pretty entertaining to see how ignorant many americans will act. we all know what happens if you deny we landed on the moon to buzz aldrins face :)
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=runningman;787383]I'm not going to get into it again. Go to astounding thread.
I feel bad for people that don't see that that building was blown up.[/QUOTE]
God, you are such a pessimist.. and much more.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
just here doing Gods work.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=runningman;787359]his 20 points are factual though.[/QUOTE] Some of his points in and of themselves are factual but do not at all factually support the conclusions that he tries to reach with them. For instance, #14 about the plane not fitting because the entry hole was 16 ft. in diameter is classic bullshit and pretty far from "fact". Yes, there was a hole of that size - on one of the inner rings of the Pentagon. But that was not the entry hole on the outer wall. The real entry hole was estimated at 75 feet by the ASCE, and it's an estimate because the entire facade of the building collapsed about 20 minutes after impact.
[URL]http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=6#bigplane[/URL]
There are legitimate criticisms of the official 9-11 story, but this is not one of them. If this is representative of the level of intelligence that Sheen plans to employ in his "debate", then he should stick to topics he knows more about, such as bad sitcoms and prostitutes.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
I'm sorry.... I'm not even going to read a single post in this thread because it has CHARLIE SHEEN in it.
Are you freaking serious?? :lol:
That is all.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=res0nat0r;787621 we all know what happens if you deny we landed on the moon to buzz aldrins face :)[/QUOTE]
i don't - what happens?
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOo6aHSY8hU[/YOUTUBE]
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=runningman;787632]just here doing Gods work.[/QUOTE]
you know thats exactly what Bush believed... and many terrorists as well.. =\
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
Fox covered this for their readers to ridicule liberals. Democrats and sane people don't believe this theory. This is similar to MSNBC and CNN's coverage of the "birthers". Liberals loved to talk about crazy Republicans that thought Obama wasn't born in America. The biased media at Fox and MSNBC love pointing out the crazies on the other side to affirm themselves and their viewers.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=runningman;787632]just here doing Gods work.[/QUOTE] And just what "work" is it that God wants done on the Politics forum?
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
ahh it just jokes man.. I really couldn[t give a shit about Charlie Sheen or Alex Jones.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE][URL="http://www.origin.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/"][COLOR=#d2d2d2]http://www.origin.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/[/COLOR][/URL]
cant really say much other than that...if you actually read it and understand it then things will become clear.[/QUOTE]
i read it and still dont understand a couple of things, lets go over them shall we?
maybe you can help out an ignorant fellow.
nist tests on the steel recovered from the wtc towers show temps did not reach above 600o for more then a couple of mins, but in the models they used to show how the collapse happened, they used temps of 700o and above.
[QUOTE]Conclusion
The laws of physics have never been violated. So if you propose a theory that requires violating the laws of physics you have a huge problem. Usually scientists would at best completely ignore such a theory but usually proponents of such theories are ridiculed mercilessly, unless of course it seems, if you are the US government. In science one observation that disagrees with the predictions of a theory means the theory is wrong. The official story regarding the 9/11 WTC tower collapses clearly violates two fundamental laws of physics. The theory that the WTC towers were brought down by controlled demolition on the other hand does not violate the laws of physics. So which theory does science dictate we reject?
[URL]http://knol.google.com/k/michael-fullerton/official-theory-of-911-wtc-tower-near/1hwr2894wxokh/7[/URL]# [/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://www.thcdefender.dk/files/xx/240406wtc.jpg[/IMG]
notice the piece^^right above falling outside? it weighs tons. notice the volume of debris OUTSIDE the footprint?
the problem with the governments report and why we need a new investigation is this....
they want us to believe that the upper blocks fell onto the lower blocks, picking up their mass as the collapse goes along.
but we can see from pics during and after the collapse, that most mass was pulverized in midair, ejected out the side(pic above, plus i got tons more) and could not add mass to upper block.
so they want us to believe that(from all estimates)30-40% of the original mass collapsed the lower, undamaged, better built lower block.
but it gets worse, cause they also want to believe the falling mass did this while it was broke up. for those who dont know, a ton of falling material with a single point of contact will exert more force then 50 objects with a combined weight of a ton.
perfect example is this.
one guy has a 100 pound rock droped on his head, the other guy has 100 pounds of pea gravel droped on his head.
which one lives?
they also have not explained how 30% of the mass encountered little to no resistence from the lower block.
how all supports failed at the exact same time(on all 3 buildings) to ensure Symmetric collapse.
also, they have never given out the weight of the top floors, nor have they shared any of their model data so it can be tested by independent sources to verify.
something pretty much unheard of in the world of science.
a theory should be open to be tested by anyone, dont you agree?
btw wanted to let you also know it's against the law of conservation of energy when you state that the upper block disintergrated the lower block, pulverizing the concrete in mid-air and also shooting steel beams weighing tons up to 600 feet to the side.
we can see from pictures, concrete was being pulverized from the onset of collapse
[IMG]http://www.uphaa.com/uploads/26/911-south-tower-collapse.jpg[/IMG]
notice the lower lighter colored concrete dust cloud in this photo.
also notice the tipping to the side, the only force acting on the supports in the damaged area is tension from being pulled to the side from the upper block tipping.
logic states that if the tipping is putting force on the supports, when they do give out, it would cause the upper block to tip over the side, not collapse str8 down.
something about a object in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by outside forces?
ah, it must be nothing right?
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=yesme;787763]i read it and still dont understand a couple of things, lets go over them shall we?
maybe you can help out an ignorant fellow.
nist tests on the steel recovered from the wtc towers show temps did not reach above 600o for more then a couple of mins, but in the models they used to show how the collapse happened, they used temps of 700o and above.
[IMG]http://www.thcdefender.dk/files/xx/240406wtc.jpg[/IMG]
notice the piece^^right above falling outside? it weighs tons. notice the volume of debris OUTSIDE the footprint?
the problem with the governments report and why we need a new investigation is this....
they want us to believe that the upper blocks fell onto the lower blocks, picking up their mass as the collapse goes along.
but we can see from pics during and after the collapse, that most mass was pulverized in midair, ejected out the side(pic above, plus i got tons more) and could not add mass to upper block.
so they want us to believe that(from all estimates)30-40% of the original mass collapsed the lower, undamaged, better built lower block.
but it gets worse, cause they also want to believe the falling mass did this while it was broke up. for those who dont know, a ton of falling material with a single point of contact will exert more force then 50 objects with a combined weight of a ton.
perfect example is this.
one guy has a 100 pound rock droped on his head, the other guy has 100 pounds of pea gravel droped on his head.
which one lives?
they also have not explained how 30% of the mass encountered little to no resistence from the lower block.
how all supports failed at the exact same time(on all 3 buildings) to ensure Symmetric collapse.
also, they have never given out the weight of the top floors, nor have they shared any of their model data so it can be tested by independent sources to verify.
something pretty much unheard of in the world of science.
a theory should be open to be tested by anyone, dont you agree?
btw wanted to let you also know it's against the law of conservation of energy when you state that the upper block disintergrated the lower block, pulverizing the concrete in mid-air and also shooting steel beams weighing tons up to 600 feet to the side.
we can see from pictures, concrete was being pulverized from the onset of collapse
[IMG]http://www.uphaa.com/uploads/26/911-south-tower-collapse.jpg[/IMG]
notice the lower lighter colored concrete dust cloud in this photo.
also notice the tipping to the side, the only force acting on the supports in the damaged area is tension from being pulled to the side from the upper block tipping.
logic states that if the tipping is putting force on the supports, when they do give out, it would cause the upper block to tip over the side, not collapse str8 down.
something about a object in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by outside forces?
ah, it must be nothing right?[/QUOTE]
Maybe we can get floridaorange's structural engineer friend to come on line and explain it
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=Miroslav;787635] There are legitimate criticisms of the official 9-11 story, but this is not one of them. If this is representative of the level of intelligence that Sheen plans to employ in his "debate", then he should stick to topics he knows more about, such as bad sitcoms and prostitutes.[/QUOTE]
I agree with you Charlie Sheen is not the best person to bring this debate to the president. But Obama & Bush both stated they will not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories. Not tolerating something means doing something about it. Arguing about the messenger is pointless, its the message that's important.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=res0nat0r;787642][YOUTUBE]ZOo6aHSY8hU[/YOUTUBE][/QUOTE]
punched out by a 70 year old! haha
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
I wanna punch from Buzz that would be a great claim to fame :lol:
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=yesme;787763]i read it and still dont understand a couple of things, lets go over them shall we?
...ignorant shit removed... [/QUOTE]
unfortunately since this is an internet message board where people are anonymous and are free to act and troll w/o fear of repercussion this is not surprising. if you actually believe this, and chose not to believe not one of the 50 million people watching live tv that day, nor one of the thousands on the ground on nyc during the broad daylight when this was going on; being caused by planes flying into buildings, then there isn't much more to say as you are out of touch with reality and there is no sense talking anymore about the subject.
maddox says all of this much better than I:
[URL]http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons[/URL]
Coverup? Remeber the college douchbag who created the "Loose Change" video?
[quote]
The man in the picture above is Dylan Avery. To be more precise, the fact that Dylan, his friends, and family are alive, is proof that "Loose Change" is bullshit. He, along with a couple of his friends, created a 9/11 conspiracy video claiming that the US government and the military caused 9/11. Take a closer look at the last part of that last sentence: he's claiming that the US government, for whatever ends, killed nearly 3,000 innocent Americans, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of more lives in the conflicts that ensued because of it.
Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?
[/quote]
That is all
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=res0nat0r;787887]
maddox says all of this much better than I:
[URL]http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons[/URL]
Coverup? Remeber the college douchbag who created the "Loose Change" video?
That is all[/QUOTE]
Someone posted this a few years ago. I really don't think this one needs explaining. This one is one of the poorest I've seen yet. It still make me laugh that anyone would use this as an example though.:roflmao:
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
...the main problem to many of you guys grasping that something stinks is the idea that the government just wouldn't do this...and its all in your history books.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
correct. the govt does assassinate people. extort. abuse. kill. overthrow foreign powers, all of this is totally true. but it doesnt bomb a building with 50k people watching from the ground in person, and with 50 eyewiteness videos and professional news coverage during the middle of the day. nor does it take paper mache airplanes and make them look like 747s and fly them into large buildings to cover up a bombing. this is reality, not the x-files / conspiricy theory / the conversation / marathon man / chinatown / the manchurian candidate / they live / soylent green / enemy of the state / three days of the condor. this is called reality.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=yesme;787763]i read it and still dont understand a couple of things, lets go over them shall we?
maybe you can help out an ignorant fellow.
nist tests on the steel recovered from the wtc towers show temps did not reach above 600o for more then a couple of mins, but in the models they used to show how the collapse happened, they used temps of 700o and above.
[IMG]http://www.thcdefender.dk/files/xx/240406wtc.jpg[/IMG]
notice the piece^^right above falling outside? it weighs tons. notice the volume of debris OUTSIDE the footprint?
the problem with the governments report and why we need a new investigation is this....
they want us to believe that the upper blocks fell onto the lower blocks, picking up their mass as the collapse goes along.
but we can see from pics during and after the collapse, that most mass was pulverized in midair, ejected out the side(pic above, plus i got tons more) and could not add mass to upper block.
so they want us to believe that(from all estimates)30-40% of the original mass collapsed the lower, undamaged, better built lower block.
but it gets worse, cause they also want to believe the falling mass did this while it was broke up. for those who dont know, a ton of falling material with a single point of contact will exert more force then 50 objects with a combined weight of a ton.
perfect example is this.
one guy has a 100 pound rock droped on his head, the other guy has 100 pounds of pea gravel droped on his head.
which one lives?
they also have not explained how 30% of the mass encountered little to no resistence from the lower block.
how all supports failed at the exact same time(on all 3 buildings) to ensure Symmetric collapse.
also, they have never given out the weight of the top floors, nor have they shared any of their model data so it can be tested by independent sources to verify.
something pretty much unheard of in the world of science.
a theory should be open to be tested by anyone, dont you agree?
btw wanted to let you also know it's against the law of conservation of energy when you state that the upper block disintergrated the lower block, pulverizing the concrete in mid-air and also shooting steel beams weighing tons up to 600 feet to the side.
we can see from pictures, concrete was being pulverized from the onset of collapse
[IMG]http://www.uphaa.com/uploads/26/911-south-tower-collapse.jpg[/IMG]
notice the lower lighter colored concrete dust cloud in this photo.
also notice the tipping to the side, the only force acting on the supports in the damaged area is tension from being pulled to the side from the upper block tipping.
logic states that if the tipping is putting force on the supports, when they do give out, it would cause the upper block to tip over the side, not collapse str8 down.
something about a object in motion tends to stay in motion unless acted upon by outside forces?
ah, it must be nothing right?[/QUOTE] I don't claim to have every answer on 9-11, but I'll post my thoughts on this soon. However, I will do it in the other 9-11 thread. It's been a very busy few weeks.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE]unfortunately since this is an internet message board where people are anonymous and are free to act and troll w/o fear of repercussion this is not surprising.[/QUOTE]
george d. metz 11-29-73 ft wayne indiana
now that is taken care of, you ready to debate?
[QUOTE]if you actually believe this, and chose not to believe not one of the 50 million people watching live tv that day, nor one of the thousands on the ground on nyc during the broad daylight when this was going on; being caused by planes flying into buildings, then there isn't much more to say as you are out of touch with reality and there is no sense talking anymore about the subject. [/QUOTE]
i find it funny, you want evidence from people who believe it's a conspiracy, but dont ask for evidence from the people who did the investigation.
for example, the government tells us, the buildings were infernos(otherwise the steel supports would not of given out)
sure, that seems logical to me, so i ask, ok where is the evidence to back this up?
government: um, uh, well, um, we dont have any.
me: oh well, then let me take your word for it guys, i know you got nothing but my best interests at heart, i mean look how well you have run the country to date.
[QUOTE]correct. the govt does assassinate people. extort. abuse. kill. overthrow foreign powers[/QUOTE] but only in mine or your best interest though right?
they use psyops, but on everybody else, correct?
[QUOTE]but it doesnt bomb a building with 50k people watching from the ground in person, and with 50 eyewiteness videos and professional news coverage during the middle of the day. nor does it take paper mache airplanes and make them look like 747s and fly them into large buildings to cover up a bombing. this is reality, not the x-files / conspiricy theory / the conversation / marathon man / chinatown / the manchurian candidate / they live / soylent green / enemy of the state / three days of the condor. this is called reality. [/QUOTE]
sure it does, i would investigate the 93 wtc bombing and the okc bombing if you think otherwise.
the places to start would be the lead government witness in the 93 wtc bombing, and read the "okc bombing and the politics of terror" for info on the okc bombing(which mind you brings out the fact that our own government tells us, that our own government is lieing)
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=yesme;788053]george d. metz 11-29-73 ft wayne indiana
now that is taken care of, you ready to debate? [/QUOTE]
we just need your social security number then we can talk - a private message will work just fine :)
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=Huggie Smiles;788056]we just need your social security number then we can talk - a private message will work just fine :)[/QUOTE]
lol
i hate to say it, but anyone who steals my id, will be doing me a favor:lol:
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
nobody will debate Charlie Sheen on live TV. Larry King was trying to setup a debate of Charlie vs. whoever and Larry King couldn't find anybody to debate him. Mainstream media is affraid of him considering 60% of the 9/11 Commission even admit it was a scam.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=runningman;789009]nobody will debate Charlie Sheen on live TV. Larry King was trying to setup a debate of Charlie vs. whoever and Larry King couldn't find anybody to debate him. Mainstream media is affraid of him considering 60% of the 9/11 Commission even admit it was a scam.[/QUOTE] Afraid of being associated with him, perhaps. They have their reputations to consider.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
have you also considered the idea that maybe nobody takes Charly Sheen seriously?
i mean, dude's not exactly the brightest of the stars, so i highly doubt anyone with credibility would even consider sitting down with someone who you would consider a "joke".
also, not sure about the "mainstream media being scared" analogy, i mean, what are they supposedly scared of?? of having a very juicy story that they could milk to the ground? i doubt it.
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=Cj Tari;789024]have you also considered the idea that maybe nobody takes Charly Sheen seriously?[/QUOTE]
i know i don't
Re: Charlie Sheen 9/11 Theory??
[QUOTE=Cj Tari;789024]have you also considered the idea that maybe nobody takes Charly Sheen seriously?
i mean, dude's not exactly the brightest of the stars, so i highly doubt anyone with credibility would even consider sitting down with someone who you would consider a "joke".
also, not sure about the "mainstream media being scared" analogy, i mean, what are they supposedly scared of?? of having a very juicy story that they could milk to the ground? i doubt it.[/QUOTE]
George W Bush wasn't the brightest of stars either and some you guys elected him. What you do by not challenging them is tolerating them. People are willing to go on TV and challenge Neo Nazi's, the KKK and other radical groups but not Charlie Sheen.
When Steven Jones appeared on mainstream American media they wouldnt even show the collapse of building 7.