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Ammunition Accountability Legislation

78 durable postsStarted 2009-01-29Latest 2009-02-14
#65301Post 1 of 78

[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial]Ammunition Accountability Legislation

Remember how Obama said that he wasn't going to take your guns? Well, it seems that his allies in the anti-gun world have no problem with taking your ammo!

The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers.

[URL="http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm"][COLOR=#22229c][COLOR=#22229C]http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm[/COLOR][/COLOR][/URL]

Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded.

[COLOR=blue][COLOR=blue]Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.)[/COLOR][/COLOR] They will also charge a ..05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more!

If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!

All eyes are diverted on talk radio topics, bailouts, television entertainments/news/propaganda, while state level legislatures are placing the second amendment into a grave.

This legislation is currently IN COMMITTEE in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.

Send to every person in these united states!

To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to:

[URL="http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm"][COLOR=#22229c][COLOR=#22229C]http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm[/COLOR][/COLOR][/URL]

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government." - Thomas Jefferson[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

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#1157321Post 2 of 78

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so whats the problem?

#1157408Post 3 of 78

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[quote=Steve Graham;703902]so whats the problem?[/quote]

No problem. It seems as though once the door is opened they begin to slowly chisel away at our 2nd amendment rights.

Are the criminals going to code there ammo?

Just seems fishy, that's all.

#1157418Post 4 of 78

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i guess the right to bear arms doesn't include ammo? i don't even own a gun and i think abolishing the second amendment is fucking retarded.

#1157451Post 5 of 78

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[quote=Garrick;704006]i guess the right to bear arms doesn't include ammo? i don't even own a gun and i think abolishing the second amendment is fucking retarded.[/quote]

thank you!

#1157536Post 6 of 78

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[QUOTE=phuck'm-up;703888][FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][FONT=Arial]Ammunition Accountability Legislation

Remember how Obama said that he wasn't going to take your guns? Well, it seems that his allies in the anti-gun world have no problem with taking your ammo!

The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers.

[URL="http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm"][COLOR=#22229c][COLOR=#22229C]http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm[/COLOR][/COLOR][/URL]

Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded.

[COLOR=blue][COLOR=blue]Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.)[/COLOR][/COLOR] They will also charge a ..05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more!

If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun!

All eyes are diverted on talk radio topics, bailouts, television entertainments/news/propaganda, while state level legislatures are placing the second amendment into a grave.

This legislation is currently IN COMMITTEE in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.

Send to every person in these united states!

To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to:

[URL="http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm"][COLOR=#22229c][COLOR=#22229C]http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm[/COLOR][/COLOR][/URL]

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government." - Thomas Jefferson[/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE] What a good idea :lol: Btw are you promoting a rebellion there :lol:

Seriously this is a way to sort out the good guys from the bad guys without removing your rights!I would have thought it would be something all responsible gun owners would support.

#1157628Post 7 of 78

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this MAY be a solution didi, but there are lots of unanswered questions or potential problems.... what criminal is going to buy bar-coded ammo and use it in a robbery? criminals will start making their own ammo or obtaining it illegally (i.e. stealing, black market, going international to get their ammo and smuggle it in, etc)... also... what happens when the responsible citizen's ammo is stolen, goes missing, etc and somebody uses it for something illegal? what happens to the person who bought the ammo? do they get charged with anything?

i don't see how bar-coding a bullet is going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things until i know the real details. personally, this just sounds like another excuse to tax the law-abiders.

#1157670Post 8 of 78

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[quote=Garrick;704253]this MAY be a solution didi, but there are lots of unanswered questions or potential problems.... what criminal is going to buy bar-coded ammo and use it in a robbery? criminals will start making their own ammo or obtaining it illegally (i.e. stealing, black market, going international to get their ammo and smuggle it in, etc)... also... what happens when the responsible citizen's ammo is stolen, goes missing, etc and somebody uses it for something illegal? what happens to the person who bought the ammo? do they get charged with anything?

i don't see how bar-coding a bullet is going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things until i know the real details. personally, this just sounds like another excuse to tax the law-abiders.[/quote]

thank you!!

#1157677Post 9 of 78

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[quote=Garrick;704253]this MAY be a solution didi, but there are lots of unanswered questions or potential problems.... what criminal is going to buy bar-coded ammo and use it in a robbery? criminals will start making their own ammo or obtaining it illegally (i.e. stealing, black market, going international to get their ammo and smuggle it in, etc)... also... what happens when the responsible citizen's ammo is stolen, goes missing, etc and somebody uses it for something illegal? what happens to the person who bought the ammo? do they get charged with anything?

i don't see how bar-coding a bullet is going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things until i know the real details. personally, this just sounds like another excuse to tax the law-abiders.[/quote]

how about when your ammo gets stolen you report it to the cops, it would be basically the same if they stole your gun from your house. I would assume that every time you buy ammo it would have a different code on it.

I think this is a step, once we control our own ammo and guns, then law enforcement can concentrate on fighting illegal guns and ammo.

#1157734Post 10 of 78

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personally, since you cant remove an ammendment, im all for this.

but im more for banning all handgun sales in every manner. only thing that should be publicly available are non automatic extremly large rifles.

#1157844Post 11 of 78

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[QUOTE=Garrick;704253]this MAY be a solution didi, but there are lots of unanswered questions or potential problems.... what criminal is going to buy bar-coded ammo and use it in a robbery? criminals will start making their own ammo or obtaining it illegally (i.e. stealing, black market, going international to get their ammo and smuggle it in, etc)... [QUOTE] Had a good think about this:) You are assuming that most criminals are smart . The vast majority are not! Just look at your prisons.:lol: There will obviously always be some who will be able to beat the system, but it would be harder. [/QUOTE]also... what happens when the responsible citizen's ammo is stolen, goes missing, etc and somebody uses it for something illegal? what happens to the person who bought the ammo? do they get charged with anything? [QUOTE]This one is easier, look after it properly and report to police. [/QUOTE]

i don't see how bar-coding a bullet is going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things until i know the real details. personally, this just sounds like another excuse to tax the law-abiders.[/QUOTE]

On balance and without knowing all the details it still looks like a good is idea to me.

#1158718Post 12 of 78

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I dunno... I don't care that much about this, because I don't have a gun. I really feel no need to own it. I don't get off on shooting deer, I'm not sitting around like the Michigan Militia waiting for the second Civil War to break out. And if someone puts a gun in my face on the street and demands my wallet...I'm giving them the damn wallet, not try to draw a gun and pull a Clint Eastwood.

That said, yeah it wouldn't surprise me if this ends up not being very effective in controlling crime.

One more thing, though: You already have to have a social security number to get social benefits. You already use credit cards and buy stuff online. You already have to buy a license plate, registration, and insurance for your car. You already have to register your property and pay taxes. You already have to register to vote. You already have to submit to a background check for most employment opportunities. [B]You are already thoroughly "trackable" by the government and many other private entities.[/B]

#1158725Post 13 of 78

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not a bad idea IMO...Although I don't see why a change in law about ammo warrants any tax increase by the government? As for your concerns... "what happens when the responsible citizen's ammo is stolen, goes missing, etc and somebody uses it for something illegal?"

I imagine if you report it nothing...although again a citizen who bought the ammo should go out of his way to protect it form being stolen if not he/she should be held responsible.

I also think that in the long run this COULD have an impact on crime as its more difficult for the criminals to illegally import ammo or make it than it is for them to buy it now...so they will just revert to bows and arrows...oh and stabbings will go up; who knows we might have sword fights that be a nice change from the "spray and pray" tactics of today.

#1158739Post 14 of 78

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^ We can't even curb the influx of drugs, how do you think we're going to stop the movement of illegal ammo? I mean, you can still buy illegal arms in the US. How do you think bad guys get guns without having to go through background checks?

By coding ammo, the bad guys are forced to move underground which means more tax payer dollars have to be diverted to set up new units to combat illegal ammo being brought into the country.

This will not stop crime; it'll only let it flourish. At the same time, with tax increases on ammo, people will be buying less ammo and thus the state will be putting a strain on gun manufacturers. Soon thereafter, the wish of the pansy asses will come true and guns will once again be only accessible to illegal firearm owners and the general, law-abiding public will have to suffer at the mercy of criminals and be completely reliant on the police, who will probably have even more corruption at the higher levels.

#1158750Post 15 of 78

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[quote=Localizer;705542]Soon thereafter, the wish of the pansy asses will come true and guns will once again be only accessible to illegal firearm owners and the general, law-abiding public will have to suffer at the mercy of criminals and be completely reliant on the police, who will probably have even more corruption at the higher levels.[/quote] In the vast majority of situations, the vast majority of us[B] already are[/B] completely reliant on the police. We don't live in a Hollywood movie, and most people don't want to shoot it out with criminals, say, in a bank robbery or during a street mugging.

#1158764Post 16 of 78

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[quote=Miroslav;705554]In the vast majority of situations, the vast majority of us[B] already are[/B] completely reliant on the police. We don't live in a Hollywood movie, and most people don't want to shoot it out with criminals, say, in a bank robbery or during a street mugging.[/quote]

No one is asking to be a cowboy or to glorify guns in the way that hollywood does, so i don't know where you lot keep deriving these conclusions from. No one is asking for shootouts with criminals either; people are asking that you don't tread on them and that they be able to have their rights respected by being able to protect themselves. :idea:

#1158843Post 17 of 78

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our government is going to keep looking for ways to get one more foot inside our door. this is just the beginning.

and as far as hunters keeping track of their ammo. i think that is absurd. i don't think people need to be responsible to track every round they fire while hunting, etc only so the government knows where every bullet is and every bullet that has been used. some people still have a hard time balancing their checkbooks!

#1158875Post 18 of 78

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^^ but if you're just shooting deer (with a permit)...then why do you [I]care[/I] if your bullets are micro-serialized or whatever? It should really only matter if you hold up a convenience store or shoot someone in the head.

the government is already fully inside the door and they can already find you anywhere, anytime. That's what happens when you live in a modern society.

#1158877Post 19 of 78

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you care because 1) you're being taxed again and 2) (this is contingent that the gov't expects you to do this) who wants to keep track of every round you fire? like i said, some people can't even balance their checkbooks.

[quote=Miroslav;705692] the government is already fully inside the door and they can already find you anywhere, anytime. [/quote]

then why track bullets? :) (being a smartass)

#1158883Post 20 of 78

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[quote=Garrick;705694]you care because 1) you're being taxed again and 2) (this is contingent that the gov't expects you to do this) who wants to keep track of every round you fire? like i said, some people can't even balance their checkbooks.[/quote] look, maybe I'm misinformed about this (correct me if I'm wrong), but it seems to me that you really don't understand how this legislation is supposed to work. And as a rule, the credibility of your argument is greatly enhanced if you understand what you're arguing against.

The way it works is that there is a laser-etched micro-serial on every bullet that is connected to you [I]when you buy[/I] the ammo. If that bullet winds up in someone's brain, then they will go back to that database and find your name and likely come back to you and treat you as a [I]suspect[/I] in that crime.

[quote=Garrick;705694]then why track bullets? :) (being a smartass)[/quote] In the event that your bullet winds up in somebody's head or in the walls of a convenience store, I guess.

But again, I doubt this will do all that much for crime. So I guess I could take it or leave it. I understand that the right to bear arms is in the Second Amendment, and I'm not proposing to take it away from anyone. I just don't see how this takes away that right.

#1158884Post 21 of 78

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[quote=Miroslav;705701]look, maybe I'm misinformed about how this legislation works (correct me if I'm wrong) but it seems to me that you really don't know how this legislation is supposed to even work. It might enhance the credibility of your argument if you did. What, you're thinking that every time you fire your gun you have to whip out a notepad and write all the details down? :lol: The way it works is that there is a laser-etched micro-serial on every bullet that is connected to you [I]when you buy[/I] the ammo. If that bullet winds up in someone's brain, then they will likely come back to you and treat you as a [I]suspect[/I] in the crime. [/quote]

actually that was what i was thinking... "i just shot me a deer with #4132-EZ-584. you get that?" lol. i mentioned above i don't even own a gun so this really doesn't affect me, therefore haven't read into the details. the only reason i think its a big issue is because i think it is another step towards big government creating more problems than fixing.

#1158888Post 22 of 78

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^^ ok. sorry for sounding a bit too much like an ass, btw. I revised my comments, but a bit too late.

#1158889Post 23 of 78

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[IMG]http://download.gallery.start.com/d.dll/2~23~817~54948/LARGE.jpg[/IMG]

no worries. politics forum flourishes with opinions!

#1158900Post 24 of 78

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ya and here is mine

you guys are so fucked up on here. Criminals will ALWAYS have guns. But will you when the shit hits the fan??? Laser engraved serial numbers is the stupidest idea ever. Hell in Canada you aren't even allowed to have guns and all the bad guys have them. You think some serial number is going to stop them??

With the economy going in the shit tank at an alarming rate a gun is the only way to go. I wish the rest of you that want your guns taken away good luck.

#1158947Post 25 of 78

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[quote=runningman;705719]ya and here is mine

you guys are so fucked up on here. Criminals will ALWAYS have guns. But will you when the shit hits the fan??? Laser engraved serial numbers is the stupidest idea ever. Hell in Canada you aren't even allowed to have guns and all the bad guys have them. You think some serial number is going to stop them??

With the economy going in the shit tank at an alarming rate a gun is the only way to go. I wish the rest of you that want your guns taken away good luck.[/quote] well, good morning to you too, sunshine. :lol::lol::lol:

#1158948Post 26 of 78

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I couldn't help myself after I read a couple posts. I wish the British took all your guns and then fought Washington.

[URL]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=65976&page=2[/URL]

#1158983Post 27 of 78

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^^ look, this is the whole ridiculousness of the "guns against crime" argument. So let's say that someone jumps you and gets right in your face with a knife to your throat (or a gun to your face). And let's say you have a gun in your pocket. Are you going to be a hero and try to pull a fast one? You know, karate kick the guy in the shins and whip out your gun and drop him, just like in the movies?

If you're a US Marine, an experienced gang member, a black belt ninja, or Superman, then maybe you will. But if you're like 99% of the rest of the normal population, the answer is NO; you're not going to do ANYTHING. You're going to hand over your shit and not make any sudden moves, because if you do then the dude will only have to move his hand just a bit and you will very likely end up with either a bullet in the nostril or a knife in your throat. Most of us don't want to bet our lives on our combat skills for the sake of our wallets.

This is not Hollywood, and very few of us are Jackie Chan.

#1158999Post 28 of 78

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wow you are so lost on this one. If you have a gun and he has a knife you get to walk away with your wallet and sanity. Getting robbed fucks with your mind and makes you start thinking about the fucked up people in the world.

Let me explain it to you. First you run away a bit to get your gun out and then you pull it out. Situation diffused.

If he has a gun and already has it out there is nothing you can do about that but it is rare they will pull out there gun because they don't want to draw attention. If he comes up and shows his gun which is what they normally do that will give you time to pull out yours.

Someone with a knife attempted to rob me a few months back and the only thing he got out of me was a broken jaw. Now does that make me Superman Mr. Melodramatic?? I punched him so hard in the jaw he went down like a sack of potatoes. This just goes to show how you "REALLY" don't know what you are talking about 90% of the time.

#1159014Post 29 of 78

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[quote=runningman;705828]wow you are so lost on this one. If you have a gun and he has a knife you get to walk away with your wallet and sanity. Getting robbed fucks with your mind and makes you start thinking about the fucked up people in the world.

Let me explain it to you. First you run away a bit to get your gun out and then you pull it out. Situation diffused.

If he has a gun and already has it out there is nothing you can do about that but it is rare they will pull out there gun because they don't want to draw attention. If he comes up and shows his gun which is what they normally do that will give you time to pull out yours.

Someone with a knife attempted to rob me a few months back and the only thing he got out of me was a broken jaw. Now does that make me Superman Mr. Melodramatic?? I punched him so hard in the jaw he went down like a sack of potatoes. This just goes to show how you "REALLY" don't know what you are talking about 90% of the time.[/quote] of [I]course[/I] you're a modern-day Clint Eastwood tough guy who can easily handle life-threatening situations, and that logically makes me wrong 90% of the time. I should have known! :lol:

#1159024Post 30 of 78

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lol...this is one of those threads hehe

#1159025Post 31 of 78

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shit i thought you guys were the home of the brave. Your comments above basically say "home of the if you ask for it we will give it because we are all afraid and please don't hurt me"

I don't know Miro if you were in charge instead of Washington I'm pretty sure you guys would be singing "god save the queen"

#1159033Post 32 of 78

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#1159037Post 33 of 78

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^^^^yep that used to be the american way.. but I guess we have evolved into a "Queer eye" kind of place. Take a look at the US TV shows in the 60's, 70,s, and 80's and now look at them. They are turning you all into a bunch of pussies that NEED the cops to sort out your business. Where is Charlton Heston when you need a MAN.

#1159138Post 34 of 78

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^^^^^^ :CrackUp::CrackUp::CrackUp::CrackUp::CrackUp: You have been taking the piss all this time, haven't you !!

Seriously, if Johns lived in a country where it was considered normal to carry a hand gun it is more than likely he would have been held up with a gun!! So we have have two very nervous people [actually in Johns's case more] with guns. He had a far better chance of ending up o either dead or charged with murder in that scenario!!

Aren't there laws about ordinary people carrying concealed weapons anyway?? Carrying a gun to go down to the shops , unless you are planning to rob them :) , is probably just a tad extreme. :)

#1159174Post 35 of 78

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[quote=runningman;705855]shit i thought you guys were the home of the brave. Your comments above basically say "home of the if you ask for it we will give it because we are all afraid and please don't hurt me"

I don't know Miro if you were in charge instead of Washington I'm pretty sure you guys would be singing "god save the queen"[/quote] [quote=runningman;705869]^^^^yep that used to be the american way.. but I guess we have evolved into a "Queer eye" kind of place. Take a look at the US TV shows in the 60's, 70,s, and 80's and now look at them. They are turning you all into a bunch of pussies that NEED the cops to sort out your business. Where is Charlton Heston when you need a MAN.[/quote] The times you're talking about haven't existed since maybe the days of the Wild West. I'm pretty sure people in the 60s were similar to the way they are now.

And also, for your own good, please drop all this uber-macho, homophobic "tough guy" rhetoric...you seem to think it makes you sound cool, but it actually just makes you sound like a sad little boy who really needs to get laid.

#1159185Post 36 of 78

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For the sake of Johns, it's probably best to keep him out of the discussion.

And 99% of people who are getting mugged don't just hand over the wallet. Everyone reacts differently to the situation, with or without a gun. Some people are more confrontational than others. Some just don't take shit from people. It all depends on personality and circumstances and the epinephrine/norepinephrine running through your system at the time.

#1159192Post 37 of 78

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[quote=DIDI;705980]^^^^^^ :CrackUp::CrackUp::CrackUp::CrackUp::CrackUp:

Aren't there laws about ordinary people carrying concealed weapons anyway?? Carrying a gun to go down to the shops , unless you are planning to rob them :) , is probably just a tad extreme. :)[/quote]

Most don't do that except in the most conservative of towns. You really won't even find that in the cities. And it's a Concealed Carry Weapons permit which just means you conceal the weapon. Not sure about other states, but here in AZ most places require extensive training and marksmanship to even acquire one. Training is done by previous law enforcement/military personnel. So at least there's a guarantee that if someone is carrying a CCW, that they are probably an adequate shot.

In any case, a store just has to put on their window that they don't allow firearms.

#1159201Post 38 of 78

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[quote=Localizer;706031] And 99% of people who are getting mugged don't just hand over the wallet. Everyone reacts differently to the situation, with or without a gun. Some people are more confrontational than others. Some just don't take shit from people. It all depends on personality and circumstances and the epinephrine/norepinephrine running through your system at the time. [/quote] sigh...ok not 99%. I don't know what the actual percentage is. Maybe we can do a poll or something. But I'm still willing to bet money that if you jump a person and stick a loaded gun in their face, [I]more people than not[/I] will do as they're told. If you disagree, that's fine... But my general experience is that people tend to be brave and talk a lot of shit - as long as it's not their life that's actually on the line. That's no secret.

Anyways, I think I'm done with this thread...I have nothing left to say.

#1159202Post 39 of 78

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^^^ Very valid point there!!

Err localizer, I was being facetious, see the little smile :) Seeing criminals are the most likely to be carrying concealed weapons do they have to do the training as well ??? :D That's facetious as well. :)

There is an amazing difference between America and Australia which is probably why I can make silly jokes :)

[QUOTE]And 99% of people who are getting mugged don't just hand over the wallet.[/QUOTE]

:shock: Is that true, cos it's pretty dumb!!

Which reminds me, Runningman I think it is "Home of the Brave" NOT Stupid :lol:

#1159210Post 40 of 78

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:RockOn:[quote=Localizer;705542]^ We can't even curb the influx of drugs, how do you think we're going to stop the movement of illegal ammo? I mean, you can still buy illegal arms in the US. How do you think bad guys get guns without having to go through background checks?

By coding ammo, the bad guys are forced to move underground which means more tax payer dollars have to be diverted to set up new units to combat illegal ammo being brought into the country.

This will not stop crime; it'll only let it flourish. At the same time, with tax increases on ammo, people will be buying less ammo and thus the state will be putting a strain on gun manufacturers. Soon thereafter, the wish of the pansy asses will come true and guns will once again be only accessible to illegal firearm owners and the general, law-abiding public will have to suffer at the mercy of criminals and be completely reliant on the police, who will probably have even more corruption at the higher levels.[/quote]

:RockOn:

Exactly what I would have said had I said what i wanted to be said. Thanks.

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