[ms] · Est. May 2002
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Well, when it comes down to it, I have the right to protect my family, and you bet your ass that I will do all it takes to protect them and myself.
When some fuck face breaks into my house threatening to kill me and my family, am I suppose to let him do so? Fuck that.
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lol, some of you are watching way too many movies
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some of you on here put way to much faith into your civil servants. Why some of you think that the police should be the only ones with guns is absurd.
[U][B]Defense of the Constitution against enemies "foreign and domestic"[/B][/U]
I'm pretty sure they put that in there for a reason.
Unless some of you feel you are smarter then the founders??
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[quote=minimal;691922] I believe owing a weapon in a modern civilized society is absolute bullshit. The righ to bear arms was conceived at the dawn of the american society which has evolved to become a completely different society.[/quote]
Come to a big city in America and I bet you will change your mind.
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A Jena 6 guys just shot himself as well. What is going on in the black community?? Here is some advice
STOP SHOOTING YOURSELVES.
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[quote=runningman;691971]some of you on here put way to much faith into your civil servants. Why some of you think that the police should be the only ones with guns is absurd.
[U][B]Defense of the Constitution against enemies "foreign and domestic"[/B][/U]
I'm pretty sure they put that in there for a reason.
Unless some of you feel you are smarter then the founders??[/quote]
this
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[quote=lilsensa;691981]Come to a big city in America and I bet you will change your mind.[/quote]
I was at america 4 years ago, 1 month in florida, amazing city and parties and beaches and girls ... had a great time at miami. I know I was at "safe" places at all times, you know, just a tourist.
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[quote=lilsensa;691951]Fao all in this thread. A gun owner who is not educated about guns and/or gun safety will more than likely become one of the statistics that you are speaking of.
Agree?
That being said, any idiot can own a gun, or shoot one for that matter.
If you aren't a responsible gun owner, someone is going to get hurt.
Most people, when they get a gun, think that it is alright to be the tough guy and flaunt that they have one. That is when they get killed by someone else who thinks that they have to defend themselves due to the fact that you just waived a gun at them.
If you own a gun, and do not have a concealed weapons permit, that gun should be locked in a safe in your house and kept there.
If you do have a concealed weapons permit, there is a good chance that you have taken some of the knowledge from the concealed weapons course, and are a safer gun owner.
Guns do not kill people, stupid people with guns kill people.[/quote]
^^^ That, and what runningman stated. :Bingo:
Lmao, yeah i'm inspired by movies! :roll:
The situation is far too complicated and intricate right now to base any conclusions off statistics. the problem is a complete shit storm, and gun trafficking/gang violence is more rampant than we would ever think. you must know that there is shit that happens all the time, everyday that goes completely under the radar. if you wanna hear stories just pm me, we know quite a few in several arenas.
As an individual i exercise heavy weapon caution/safety regardless. with confidence, i can also safely state that i'm well educated on the matter; i will be enlisting in the military for a few years anyways. i care not to argue on this subject, but if you have lived in any big city in america (i.e.), and cared to actually become aware of some of the shit that goes on -- then you would see things as they are, vividly. my point is this, living hoodwinked by an illusion is perilous. staying educated/prepared, steadfast, and in complete self-control -- surely separates the sheep from the goats. oh and not everyone who owns a gun is some stupid dolt. one of the reasons why we keep weapons is because there are too many stupid and malicious people with them.
I think one of the main reasons why our founding fathers where so vigilant about the right to bear arms was this: so that if the "democracy" and "freedom" of the nation where ever to be threatened by anything foreign or domestic(even the gov.), the people would be ready to not let that happen, and would therefore take a united stand.
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well, all this talk about people charging in your house and holding you hostage, come on, I mean, yeah it happens, but my god its all a bit melodramatic
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thats just one scenario dude. melodramatic or not, it's security and insurance.
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[quote=Steve Graham;692026]well, all this talk about people charging in your house and holding you hostage, come on, I mean, yeah it happens, but my god its all a bit melodramatic[/quote]
melodramatic?? This is the US of A we are talking about here. Do you know what happened to the wealthy people of New Orleans after the cops came and took their guns away? They got robbed.
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[quote=andyniko;691816]Totally disagree with that theory. Other countries have bans on guns and you don't see households getting shot up. If your statement were true the US would not have the appalling gun violence rate as they do. Permitting guns has made things worse, not better.
I saw on TV the other day, a Texan family that went into a store to buy an AK47. Comeon really, an AK?
I understand that criminals still get their hands on guns. But, there will certainly be a reduction. Some junkie that is robbing your home probably wouldn't have one if those laws were in (providing it is administered properly). Those are the guys you need to be worried about, not Danny Ocean.[/quote] [SIZE=4] [quote]A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. [/SIZE][/quote]
Read it and learn it. It's a fundamental right granted by some of the greatest enlightenment thinkers in the realm of politics who wrote one of the most brilliant pieces of paper the world has seen.
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[quote=andyniko;691816]
I understand that criminals still get their hands on guns. But, there will certainly be a reduction. Some junkie that is robbing your home probably wouldn't have one if those laws were in (providing it is administered properly). Those are the guys you need to be worried about, not Danny Ocean.[/quote]
BTW, in case you haven't noticed, prohibition on anything never works. It only fuels underground traffic.
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[quote=Steve Graham;692026]well, all this talk about people charging in your house and holding you hostage, come on, I mean, yeah it happens, but my god its all a bit melodramatic[/quote]
The prime purpose of the 2nd amendment was to allow a means for fighting off a repressive government. Which is why they also have the well regulated militia necessary to a free state part.
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[quote=johns;691958]^^ thanks Steve. and i am with Niko :D[/quote]
Thanks johns :) minimal also makes a good point.
I just find the whole argument mind boggling. I respect that everyone has their own opinion, but it just seems ridiculous that there is a justification for gun ownership. No one yet has given me a good reason. Protection just doesn't cut it because in reality how often do you need to use it for protection?
Think of it this way... for any country that has a ban on guns, if you were to suddenly pass a law that allows purchase and use of guns like the US, there would be some sort of effect on crime and society. Now obviously this effect isn't going to be a decrease in crime and gun related violence right? Well, the same logic applies if you remove guns from the equation. By banning guns, it's only going to have a positive effect which ever way you look at it. It's not rocket science.
Now, that is certainly not a solution, nor will it eradicate murder and other crimes. But hey, no one here said it ever would.
Logic people.
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[quote=andyniko;692092]Thanks johns :) Minimal also makes a good point.
I just find the whole argument mind boggling. I respect that everyone has their own opinion, but it just seems ridiculous that there is a justification for gun ownership. No one yet has given me a good reason. Protection just doesn't cut it because in reality how often do you need to use it for protection?
Think of it this way... for any country that has a ban on guns, if you were to suddenly pass a law that allows purchase and use of guns like the US, there would be some sort of effect on crime and society. Now obviously this effect isn't going to be a decrease in crime and gun related violence right? Well, the same logic applies if you remove guns from the equation. By banning guns, it's only going to have a positive effect which ever way you look at it. It's not rocket science.
Now, that is certainly not a solution, nor will it eradicate murder and other crimes. But hey, no one here said it ever would.
Logic people.[/quote]
Look it's clear, even by the quoted post, that you still don't know what the 2nd amendment is primarily for. Maybe you should actually read our constitution and its meanings before jumping to conclusions. Clearly, you know jack shit about and have a disregard for our laws of our land.
BTW, they tried banning alcohol once, I heard that turned out awesome.
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[quote=Localizer;692056][size=4]
Read it and learn it. It's a fundamental right granted by some of the greatest enlightenment thinkers in the realm of politics who wrote one of the most brilliant pieces of paper the world has seen.[/quote]
[quote=Localizer;692058]BTW, in case you haven't noticed, prohibition on anything never works. It only fuels underground traffic.[/quote]
[quote=Localizer;692063]The prime purpose of the 2nd amendment was to allow a means for fighting off a repressive government. Which is why they also have the well regulated militia necessary to a free state part.[/quote]
thank you localizer.
god some people just dont get it. read the 2nd amendment, people!
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Who really cares? It doesn't change the way the world works and the effect it has on society. In my opinion, it's just "ink on paper". I agree with minimal on this matter.
As society evolves, so too should its laws. Again, common sense prevails.
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[quote=andyniko;692092]Thanks johns :) minimal also makes a good point.
I just find the whole argument mind boggling. I respect that everyone has their own opinion, but it just seems ridiculous that there is a justification for gun ownership. No one yet has given me a good reason. Protection just doesn't cut it because in reality how often do you need to use it for protection?
Think of it this way... for any country that has a ban on guns, if you were to suddenly pass a law that allows purchase and use of guns like the US, there would be some sort of effect on crime and society. Now obviously this effect isn't going to be a decrease in crime and gun related violence right? Well, the same logic applies if you remove guns from the equation. By banning guns, it's only going to have a positive effect which ever way you look at it. It's not rocket science.
Now, that is certainly not a solution, nor will it eradicate murder and other crimes. But hey, no one here said it ever would.
Logic people.[/quote]
Put it this way. You pick up a girl, and you are about to have sexy time romance. She says that she is on the pill...You wear a rubber anyway, to protect yourself from teh AIDS...
Owning a gun is similar, in that, you know that you probably don't need it, but it's better to be safe than sorry...
Baaam!!! :p
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[quote=lilsensa;692098]Put it this way. You pick up a girl, and you are about to have sexy time romance. She says that she is on the pill...You wear a rubber anyway, to protect yourself from teh AIDS...
Owning a gun is similar, in that, you know that you probably don't need it, but it's better to be safe than sorry...
Baaam!!! :p[/quote]
Great analogy haha
But, I've already commented on this too many times. There is more negative effect than positive effect of gun ownership, and that simple fact seems very difficult for everyone to understand because of some "amendment".
I promised myself I wouldn't add to this thread anymore. So I'm outa hereeeeeeeeee...... !! - Great topic though
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take it easy, lol, I'm not against people owning guns..I've heard of the 2nd amendment.. just because you are allowed to own a gun doesn't mean you have to.. if it's for protection, fair enough, I dont blame you if you feel the need to be protected.. im just saying the way some of the posts are coming across you'd think you live in the old west, this bravado of owning a gun for protection is the same sort of attitude that will get you in trouble with said gun
and shosh, I dont blame you one bit if you have one.. if you are anything in real life like you are on here there must be loads of women wanting a piece of you, lol
and not in a good way
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[quote=andyniko;692097]Who really cares? It doesn't change the way the world works and the effect it has on society. [U][I][B] In my opinion, it's just "ink on paper"[/B][/I][/U]. I agree with minimal on this matter.
As society evolves, so too should its laws. Again, common sense prevails.[/quote]
lol no.
you can't be serious. its a powerful foundation for much much more than the dead letter, like you proclaim it to be.
as society and communities evolve, the criminal underbelly does too, and i don't trust my government either.
lol, prohibition and banning is futile.
yes gunpowder is a dangerous machination and invention, and hopefully in the distant future it will become obsolete. but for now, better to be armed to the teeth than getting snuffed out.
[B]2nd amendment for the win.[/B]
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[URL]http://www.gunlaws.com/FloridaCastleDoctrine.htm[/URL]
You bet your ass that if you ever threaten someones life, it is safe to assume that they could shoot you.
It's best to mind your own business these days....
For me, owning a gun, is a little bit of a piece of mind, and a little bit of fun at the shooting range with family, and a small percentage of getting some sleep at night.
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Oh, and I might add, that I had a very close karate instructor friend of mine (Hence my nickname "Little Sensei") shot and killed by his next door neighbor because he forced his way into their home. In no way was forcing his way into the home or his death justified, but on the flip side, you have to realize that people are not messing around anymore when it comes to protecting their families and themselves.
[SIZE=6]IMO[/SIZE]
Sad.
Here is the article...
[URL]http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0JZS/is_/ai_n25053521[/URL]
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[quote=andyniko;692097]Who really cares? It doesn't change the way the world works and the effect it has on society. In my opinion, it's just "ink on paper". I agree with minimal on this matter.
As society evolves, so too should its laws. Again, common sense prevails.[/quote]
Most of us Americans do, and apparently you do as well, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing about it in here. The funny part is how you say it doesn't change how the world works....It does since you all are bitching at us because we have an amendment that protects us.
The common sense here is that if the government ever decides to use law enforcement or the military against us, we have an obligation to fight back with the means necessary and granted to us by the 2nd amendment. This is our check and balance. Sorry if your view is too myopic to grasp that.
But you want to speak of common sense. Here's the real [I]Common Sense[/I], written by Thomas Paine, another enlightenment thinker who helped jumpstart the Constitution. Maybe you want to look into John Locke as he influenced James Madison. The sad part is, you know fuck all about how this nation was created and you're going to preach to us about what works and what doesn't.
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[quote=Localizer;692114]
The common sense here is that if the government ever decides to use law enforcement or the military against us, we have an obligation to fight back with the means necessary and granted to us by the 2nd amendment. This is our check and balance. Sorry if your view is too myopic to grasp that.
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You're living in a fantasy world.
Thanks for contributing though :)
I've said it before and I'll say it again. That amendment is silly.
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[quote=andyniko;692116]You're living in a fantasy world.
Thanks for contributing though :)
I've said it before and I'll say it again. That amendment is silly.[/quote]
wow, you just revealed to us just how little aware you are.
" give me liberty or give me death" mofo! lol.
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You guys are looking into areas which are irrelevant!
At the end of the day, the fact is you have gun laws which have cause more damage than good. Because of what? So you can protect yourselves against the government?
Haha, this is a new level of stupidity. I really hope Obama bans guns as he said he would. It would be hilarious.
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[quote=Localizer;692114]Most of us Americans do, and apparently you do as well, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing about it in here. The funny part is how you say it doesn't change how the world works....It does since you all are bitching at us because we have an amendment that protects us.
The common sense here is that if the government ever decides to use law enforcement or the military against us, we have an obligation to fight back with the means necessary and granted to us by the 2nd amendment. This is our check and balance. Sorry if your view is too myopic to grasp that.
But you want to speak of common sense. Here's the real [I]Common Sense[/I], written by Thomas Paine, another enlightenment thinker who helped jumpstart the Constitution. Maybe you want to look into John Locke as he influenced James Madison. The sad part is, you know fuck all about how this nation was created and you're going to preach to us about what works and what doesn't.[/quote]
quoted for fucking truth.
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[quote=lucky charms;692119]wow, you just revealed to us just how little aware you are.
" give me liberty or give me death" mofo![/quote]
As Steve said, it sounds like you're living in the wild west.
Grow up little boy. The world isn't what it was many years ago.
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And, now I'm definitely out of here.
This "debate" has turned sour.
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[quote=andyniko;692124]As Steve said, it sounds like you're living in the wild west.
Grow up little boy. The world isn't what it was many years ago.[/quote]
lol why you taking it to heart fool?
there are worlds within worlds you would never understand with that attitude.
and i do not need to justify myself or the reality of how things are in some realms.
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I'm not at all
I'm usually funnier than this :)
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more funnier
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[quote=andyniko;692135]I'm not at all
[B][I][U]I'm usually more funnier than this[/U][/I][/B] :)[/quote]
well i sure hope so! no hard feelings. cheerio mate!
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Hilarious.
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[quote=andyniko;692124]As Steve said, it sounds like you're living in the wild west.
Grow up little boy. The world isn't what it was many years ago.[/quote]
your right it is actually much worse.;)
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[quote=Steve Graham;692103]take it easy, lol, I'm not against people owning guns..I've heard of the 2nd amendment.. just because you are allowed to own a gun doesn't mean you have to.. if it's for protection, fair enough, I dont blame you if you feel the need to be protected.. im just saying the way some of the posts are coming across you'd think you live in the old west, this bravado of owning a gun for protection is the same sort of attitude that will get you in trouble with said gun
and shosh, I dont blame you one bit if you have one.. if you are anything in real life like you are on here there must be loads of women wanting a piece of you, lol
and not in a good way[/quote]
once again, if you had heard of the 2nd amendment you would know the right to bear arms isnt just for personal protection. i could give a rats ass if anyone blames me or not, it's my right to bear arms and i will do just that. sounds like you are a woman born in a man's body and need to get your ass back in the kitchen.
[quote=Localizer;692114]Most of us Americans do, and apparently you do as well, otherwise you wouldn't be arguing about it in here. The funny part is how you say it doesn't change how the world works....It does since you all are bitching at us because we have an amendment that protects us.
The common sense here is that if the government ever decides to use law enforcement or the military against us, we have an obligation to fight back with the means necessary and granted to us by the 2nd amendment. This is our check and balance. Sorry if your view is too myopic to grasp that.
But you want to speak of common sense. Here's the real [I]Common Sense[/I], written by Thomas Paine, another enlightenment thinker who helped jumpstart the Constitution. Maybe you want to look into John Locke as he influenced James Madison. The sad part is, you know fuck all about how this nation was created and you're going to preach to us about what works and what doesn't.[/quote]
localizer, people just dont get the 2nd amendment and they are wiling for blindly believe the government will always do whats best for the people.
again i hope people like andyniko stay the fuck in their country and never come here
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Keep in mind, your president-elect wants to ban guns. Hmmmm...
And... no need to be an asshole.
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