fucking asshats. :RockOn:

sacredawe78 you are one bitter SOB. you will be fine. no need to go out marching "the world is ending" yet, I would not be surprised if that is your call.

[img]http://www.dibec.com/_random/worstnewbie.jpg[/img]

Nice website....thanks for the link

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Civic, you should def. pay a visit to my country: every wednesday in my town it's twice as much skunk for the same price! Double day! No political discussions, just good old high talk. You're gonna love this one: one of my best friends recently got a full freezer bag (30x30 cm) full of Marihuana. And the guy he got it from has loads more hanging to dry on his attic. Woah....he gets these bags whenever he needs one. :Rasta Ba:

Sacred: having a discussion with you is like having a discussion with a brick wall. You can break your head on it, it just won't budge. I made my point, end of discussion.

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[url]http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm[/url]

yao and asdf...

you simply do not like to be confronted...

yet you both claim that "war" is essential to nature

don't you see that we must argue in order to be tactful with our innate dispositions???

this isn't about me just being right all the time...its about us conducting a thorough argument to continue in a dynamic manner moral perfection, or at least get as close to it as possible

but we must have a level playing field...i claim that we look at morality in a scientific manner...if we argue about and look at evil in terms of consequence rather than intention, we can work through this..

but all you want to do is be "political" and you don't want to be confronted at all..

i don't know...when i am alone, mediation works...but when im communicating about things of great moral concern, i think that reasoning and arguing are very very important....otherwise no real progress can be made

you've probably spent most of your lives bonding with people by staring at the evils of this world and joking them off with irony...as if you could never do anything about it...

i feel you can...maybe my foreigness only seems so because you have never thought of arguing as a means of dialectical growth on a moral level...

its sad, but im not going to go back to just flopping about in sarcasm like everyone else here...

we could have a very real relationship if you allow for it

don't you see that a "self" cannot even exist unless it is juxtaposed to another for an extended period of time...and in a world where morality is disintegrated, and there is no real way of communication, no level playing field (Reason/Arguing), and everyone's relationship determined by profit and loss....there is no actualy morality at all...relationships dont even really exist...the individual is honored in capitalism, its all about the indivual's goal to hoarde as many of the natural resources as possible, and everyone tries to keep pace...never really communicating, too busy trying to keep up with inflation...

No one is communicating...there is no morality right now....and ultimately there is no "selves" ....hence, existential drones everywhere trying to overcome their confusion through irony...much like the comedic gestures you continually throw out in rebuttle to my posts

we cannot be real like this...we cannot help each other...and i think its about time you stop looking at me cynically and realize that the goal here is for our species, not just me

later

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[quote=ftc]http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm[/quote]

classic. thanks for the post.

[quote]yao and asdf...

you simply do not like to be confronted...

yet you both claim that "war" is essential to nature

don't you see that we must argue in order to be tactful with our innate dispositions???

this isn't about me just being right all the time...its about us conducting a thorough argument to continue in a dynamic manner moral perfection, or at least get as close to it as possible

but we must have a level playing field...i claim that we look at morality in a scientific manner...if we argue about and look at evil in terms of consequence rather than intention, we can work through this..

but all you want to do is be "political" and you don't want to be confronted at all..

i don't know...when i am alone, mediation works...but when im communicating about things of great moral concern, i think that reasoning and arguing are very very important....otherwise no real progress can be made

you've probably spent most of your lives bonding with people by staring at the evils of this world and joking them off with irony...as if you could never do anything about it...

i feel you can...maybe my foreigness only seems so because you have never thought of arguing as a means of dialectical growth on a moral level...

its sad, but im not going to go back to just flopping about in sarcasm like everyone else here...

we could have a very real relationship if you allow for it

don't you see that a "self" cannot even exist unless it is juxtaposed to another for an extended period of time...and in a world where morality is disintegrated, and there is no real way of communication, no level playing field (Reason/Arguing), and everyone's relationship determined by profit and loss....there is no actualy morality at all...relationships dont even really exist...the individual is honored in capitalism, its all about the indivual's goal to hoarde as many of the natural resources as possible, and everyone tries to keep pace...never really communicating, too busy trying to keep up with inflation...

No one is communicating...there is no morality right now....and ultimately there is no "selves" ....hence, existential drones everywhere trying to overcome their confusion through irony...much like the comedic gestures you continually throw out in rebuttle to my posts

we cannot be real like this...we cannot help each other...and i think its about time you stop looking at me cynically and realize that the goal here is for our species, not just me

later[/quote]

[img]http://www.dibec.com/_random/dumbpeople.jpg[/img]

Nice picture asdf. :CrackUp:

thank you.

i have tried to be civil but under the given circumstances of nonsense i had to stoop down to his level. :Naughty:

What a relief, I hope you spoke for the both of us. Nice pic. I'm just ignoring the guy now...

[quote=asdf_admin]thank you.

i have tried to be civil but under the given circumstances of nonsense i had to stoop down to his level. :Naughty:[/quote]

I think we should just put him and neur0-Menace in a room together with full gladiator gear and a tub full of KY and see where it goes. :Naughty:

you have to. the guys is about as brain dead as a piece of wood. he runs in circle and gets upset. lol.

cracks me up. i have really tried to be fair with this guy, even though his Theodore Kaczynski views are a little worry some.

he gets upset about world peace when he is the one shooting the guns. wtf?

ps (yes i do speak for both of us) :wink:

Krelms idea could be fun, too. Live web-broadcast and stuff...sell the video's. We'd make a fortune off them.

:wanna fi:

The citizens of the U.S. and the whole world now facing with 4 more years under the presidency of George W. Bush. Will see how is going to work out, there is a lot to do over here. The fact is he won the majority of the votes, which means basically more people voted on him then voted on Kerry. That?s plain math. The nation seems like divided which aren?t makes this country stronger and better. Time will tell the truth.

-Another political scientist- :RockOn:

for sure. time and history are the ONLY PURE FACTS. word. :RockOn:

[quote=asdf_admin]for sure. time and history are the ONLY PURE FACTS. word. :RockOn:[/quote]

We reap what we sow. One good thing about this is, we can no longer hear anything about "it's all Clinton's fault"

The I didn't do it administration will finally have full accountability for all its actions.

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asdf,

thats really sad that you compare me to theodore k, ive never hurt anyone in such a premeditated manner

shows how out there YOU really are...

theodore k was anti technology...i have not said a single fucking thing about that

always relying on sarcasm

thats the only form of communication you have been taught

and by making a mock up of me you say you're reducing yourself to my level...well where in this entire thread did I ever start joking around like that

so you dont even know what you are saying...youre just continually stretching yourself thin with your sarcasm

just say you dont give a fuck and ill let it end at that...but dont try and trivialize my arguments with such bullshit

it is lame and it only reinforces what i was saying...and it shows that you ultimately dont care

[quote=LobsterClan][quote=asdf_admin]for sure. time and history are the ONLY PURE FACTS. word. :RockOn:[/quote]

We reap what we sow. One good thing about this is, we can no longer hear anything about "it's all Clinton's fault"

The I didn't do it administration will finally have full accountability for all its actions.[/quote]

what do they care...they cant go another four years after these next ones...

theyll be unchecked and relentless

You are aware that a new paragraph does not need to be started after every sentence aren't you?

Or maybe a new paragraph should start after every sentence.

Hell

lets

make

it

a

new

paragraph

for

each

new

word

shall

we

?

?

Punctuation

included

.

:lol:

Just playing around there sacred. I'm going to go back to my fatalist retreat for the weekend. You just walk up to hot women and say "Hey, its fate that I just bumped into you, lets fu<k." Works every time. :wink:

will begin from part 1 ...

I HATE AMERICA... (negative)

I HATE THIS COUNTRY... (negative)

DEMOCRACY MY ASS... (negative)

HALF THIS COUNTRY DIDN'T EVEN VOTE BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO POOR, DISENFRANCHISED, OR TOO EXISTENTIAL AS A RESULT TO CARE... (negative)

ALL OF THE WHITE, HICK, RICH, EMPTY, CHRISTIAN, PEDANT ROBOTS CAME OUT IN DROVES... (negative)

CAPITALISM REALLY WORKS DOESN'T IT???? (negative question)

I AM AGNOSTIC, BUT PROBABILITY SAYS GOD DOESN'T EXIST... (negative)

ISLAM IS EVIL, CHRISTIANITY IS EVIL... (negative)

PLEASE PLEASE STOP USING THESE IRRATIONAL IDEAS AS PLATFORMS FOR YOUR MORAL AGENDAS!!!!!!! (negative)

I UTTERLY RESENT ALL OF YOU THAT DIDNT VOTE THIS YEAR... (negative)

I AM APPALLED THAT YOU VOTED THIS RICH HICK PRESIDENT AS OUR LEADER... (negative)

HE HAS NO MORAL AGENDA AND APPARENTLY YOU DON'T EITHER...(negative)

I AM DISGUSTED (negative)

IF YOU VOTED FOR BUSH OR YOU DIDN'T VOTE AT ALL, YOU ARE EITHER A NIHILIST, A CHRISTIAN PEDANT, OR JUST PLAIN DUMB/BRAINWASHED... (negative)

ALL I CAN SAY IS YOU WILL SEE THE INEVITABLE TRUTH OF YOUR LACK OF SKEPTICISM AND YOUR FAITHFUL CLINGING TO AMERICAN IDEALOGY IN THE FACE OF AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF EMPIRICAL DATA THAT SHOWS THE EVILS OF THIS REGIME

JUST WAIT AND SEE... (negative)

I AM VERY VERY SCARED...

AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO

I HAVE DECIDED NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN...THANKS!!!!!! (negative) [color=red] my final thoughts.

your antics, words, sentiments are no different from Mr. Kaczynski . Perhaps the only difference is that you have not acted upon your own statements and delivered your vial worth. This is America, where people are given the right to vote. And if poor scum like you can not accept the fair and swift justice ... I do wish you a fair bidding in life. You have no justice in you lunatic ways and blabber. I have met some loose nuts in my life, by i have never met a psychotic fuck like you.

frankly. you are waste time, breath and air. I thought you might have had some sensible argument, but all you can banter is about the same shit. YOU LOST. SUCK IT UP. AND START LIVING YOUR LIFE YOU PATHETIC LOSER.

and to answer your question. Morality has no place in science. else we would not have the atomic bomb, nor nuclear devices.

plur.

(angry)[/color]

[quote=asdf_admin]will begin from part 1 ...

I HATE AMERICA... (negative)

I HATE THIS COUNTRY... (negative)

DEMOCRACY MY ASS... (negative)

HALF THIS COUNTRY DIDN'T EVEN VOTE BECAUSE THEY ARE TOO POOR, DISENFRANCHISED, OR TOO EXISTENTIAL AS A RESULT TO CARE... (negative)

ALL OF THE WHITE, HICK, RICH, EMPTY, CHRISTIAN, PEDANT ROBOTS CAME OUT IN DROVES... (negative)

CAPITALISM REALLY WORKS DOESN'T IT???? (negative question)

I AM AGNOSTIC, BUT PROBABILITY SAYS GOD DOESN'T EXIST... (negative)

ISLAM IS EVIL, CHRISTIANITY IS EVIL... (negative)

PLEASE PLEASE STOP USING THESE IRRATIONAL IDEAS AS PLATFORMS FOR YOUR MORAL AGENDAS!!!!!!! (negative)

I UTTERLY RESENT ALL OF YOU THAT DIDNT VOTE THIS YEAR... (negative)

I AM APPALLED THAT YOU VOTED THIS RICH HICK PRESIDENT AS OUR LEADER... (negative)

HE HAS NO MORAL AGENDA AND APPARENTLY YOU DON'T EITHER...(negative)

I AM DISGUSTED (negative)

IF YOU VOTED FOR BUSH OR YOU DIDN'T VOTE AT ALL, YOU ARE EITHER A NIHILIST, A CHRISTIAN PEDANT, OR JUST PLAIN DUMB/BRAINWASHED... (negative)

ALL I CAN SAY IS YOU WILL SEE THE INEVITABLE TRUTH OF YOUR LACK OF SKEPTICISM AND YOUR FAITHFUL CLINGING TO AMERICAN IDEALOGY IN THE FACE OF AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF EMPIRICAL DATA THAT SHOWS THE EVILS OF THIS REGIME

JUST WAIT AND SEE... (negative)

I AM VERY VERY SCARED...

AND YOU SHOULD BE TOO

I HAVE DECIDED NOT TO HAVE CHILDREN...THANKS!!!!!! (negative) [color=red] my final thoughts.

your antics, words, sentiments are no different from Mr. Kaczynski . Perhaps the only difference is that you have not acted upon your own statements and delivered your vial worth. This is America, where people are given the right to vote. And if poor scum like you can not accept the fair and swift justice ... I do wish you a fair bidding in life. You have no justice in you lunatic ways and blabber. I have met some loose nuts in my life, by i have never met a psychotic fuck like you.

frankly. you are waste time, breath and air. I thought you might have had some sensible argument, but all you can banter is about the same shit. YOU LOST. SUCK IT UP. AND START LIVING YOUR LIFE YOU PATHETIC LOSER.

and to answer your question. Morality has no place in science. else we would not have the atomic bomb, nor nuclear devices.

plur.

(angry)[/color][/quote]

asdf are you trying to say that im wrong because i was negative...what the fuck do you call everything you just said???

youre a complete hypocrite and as far as im concerned a completely ignorant piece of shit...don't come on here and start insulting me personally or else you'll get nothing but the same back

i was talking about cultural concerns, not just YOU...so wake the fuck up and stop retaliating with such personal attacks that have no rational basis to them

its ignorant assholes such as yourself that are fucking the world up...

and by the way youre the damn loser...all ive ever seen you do on this board is try to get the last word in on people...

you took everything i said and turned it into a personal attack on you...and that is not the shallow reality i was striving for..you just want the last word and thats it...even if it is a bunch of garbage

youve pissed me off now personally....i think youre a fucking chump...and i have zero respect for you and your evil agenda

:twisted:

i cant believe ive reduced myself to your level...you know what asdf...lets just end this here...i just simply cannot deal with you...i refuse to sit here and continue on like this...

its been reduced to you and i arguing about nothing important...which is 360 degrees from where i was headed and that is not what i wanted...it just manifested that way, unfortunately

you should understand my anger after telling me im not worth the air we breath...that was ridiculous, really pissed me off...

but ive realized, that was your goal...you wanted to take the argument and shift it into a point where you can achieve victory, get the last word simply because you are so used to doing on this board...its become a pathology...ive seen it...its your reputation frankly

im going to chill on this for a while...because i wouldnt want you to walk away feeling like you didn't live up to your own expectations

For what's supposed to be a "progressive community" there's an awful lot of animosity and bitterness here. It's particularly sad when so much of it comes from someone with an "Administrator" tag on their name.

One would think that those who consider themselves progressives would be very open to the free exhange of ideas, and rational discussion, with respect to everyone's point of views.

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AMERICAN JIHADDDDD SHALALALALALALLALALALALALALALAL!!!!!

haha.

first off, i love life and everything it can encompass. I have a very beautiful wife and a newborn child that i love deeply. Everyday I seek to make this world a better place through the use of my hands, legs, and mind. For my child to enjoy this world as I have, I must leave her a place and take care of what I have now. I believe it is my sole duty, why I was placed upon this Earth. I do also have a very heard time with people who fuel negative energy into this lost and confused planet. It is something I am quick to slaughter and displace.

if you wish, i will give you my full apology and deepest regard to the numerous insults i have given. in that, i am sorry for my poor judgement and my character. that is to scacredaew78, not you lobie. you are still an asshole and still suck. :wink:

indeed you are correct, i did use my words very carefully to upset and to cause a certain train of thought. and i am very reluctant to say it has worked. see how pointless an argument can be with a bunch of anger and negative driven words? I understand your concern, but I do not respect the way you have acted upon it. I feel for a person who would like world change and even perhaps world "peace" morality, you have would have took a different approach. i feel you were putting gas into an all ready blazing fire. you were no different in your objective as it pertains to your goal. changes starts within a person, and then it may be exhumed to the outside.

i ask you my friend to lay down you words of anger and to use that energy to fight your worthy cause. something in life are not meant to be changed, and yet if they can they must be reasoned with and dealt with in accordance with time. there is no reason to stir a hornets nest, when it all ready has been stirred.

i look to continuing this conversation, perhaps discussion with you in the future. I only ask you to give respect to all people, even if it is against your view. I will give you my word, I will do the same.

stop sounding like a diplomatic pussy admin and just kick him in the ballistics....;)

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asdf,

your psychology befuddles me

i will let this go for now, so you may continue on in ignorance...

( i mean peace ???)

and yes im sure your ignorance is even further a reality now youve already been breeding....it takes so much energy to keep up with the demands of capitalism and bring up a child into this world...you would never have time or energy to really challenge the system, would you?? therefore, i suppose i understand why it is you are so ignorant and so hopeful in American (capitalistic) ideology....seems like most of the country felt the same way you did, no time to spare, and all the faith in the world that what theyre doing is going to provide them a pillow to die on

all the lack of sleep you must get, the worry about bills, about your childs future, about spending quality time with your wife, about getting away, about working a job you probably don't like to make it by, about drinking coffee every morning just to do it...etc...etc...

that shit will eat you up...domesticate you and put you in a position where you have almost no choicce but to show your kid that this culture is ok as it is...my parents lied to me in the same fashion...but i still love them for it, and ultimately it seems sadly enough that is what most Americans feel they are limited to...breeding is the panacea...breeding so that they can go to the PTA meetings and have their voice heard, finally! they cant communicate with anyone else anyway, right? hmmm.....wonder why???

the negativity i bring is insulting to you personally because you don't want to think that everything youve given up to do is a mistake

so continue on in peace (i mean ignorance), your wife and kids will love you for it even more....i won't resent you personally...you are like just about everyone else in this culture including MYSELF...good intentions, but evil people...(I was attempting to point out earlier how this IS, and how this can be OVERCOME)

ill elaborate more on this theory later if it is WELCOMED??...i may seem pyschotic to you, but i am only emanating theories by philosophers that have written several books that are highly regarded in academia

its only foreign because philosophy is not mainstream...it is not valued, which is a serious serious problem

well anyhow...drink some "High Life" or something, go wax your car, and forget everything I've said...there...is that ok???

is it better to offer a disclaimer at end...will i not get persecuted now??? maybe i should get all Kierkegaardian and just use pseudonymns...well, no, then I'd probably be compared to the DC snipers or something...right??

the pillow costs a lot my friend...to us all...and its not worth the millions sleeping on tapered pipe dreams...ie the suffering

what you do effects all of us...and vice versa...

i do appreciate the apology...i will try to be less emotional and more clear

later

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[quote=sacredawe78]asdf,

your psychology befuddles me

[b]i will let this go for now, so you may continue on in ignorance... [/b]

( i mean peace ???)

and yes im sure your ignorance is even further a reality now youve already been breeding....it takes so much energy to keep up with the demands of capitalism and bring up a child into this world...you would never have time or energy to really challenge the system, would you?? therefore, i suppose i understand why it is you are so ignorant and so hopeful in American (capitalistic) ideology....seems like most of the country felt the same way you did, no time to spare, and all the faith in the world that what theyre doing is going to provide them a pillow to die on

all the lack of sleep you must get, the worry about bills, about your childs future, about spending quality time with your wife, about getting away, about working a job you probably don't like to make it by, about drinking coffee every morning just to do it...etc...etc...

that shit will eat you up...domesticate you and put you in a position where you have almost no choicce but to show your kid that this culture is ok as it is...my parents lied to me in the same fashion...but i still love them for it, and ultimately it seems sadly enough that is what most Americans feel they are limited to...breeding is the panacea...breeding so that they can go to the PTA meetings and have their voice heard, finally! they cant communicate with anyone else anyway, right? hmmm.....wonder why???

the negativity i bring is insulting to you personally because you don't want to think that everything youve given up to do is a mistake

so continue on in peace (i mean ignorance), your wife and kids will love you for it even more....i won't resent you personally...you are like just about everyone else in this culture including MYSELF...good intentions, but evil people...(I was attempting to point out earlier how this IS, and how this can be OVERCOME)

ill elaborate more on this theory later if it is WELCOMED??...i may seem pyschotic to you, but i am only emanating theories by philosophers that have written several books that are highly regarded in academia

its only foreign because philosophy is not mainstream...it is not valued, which is a serious serious problem

well anyhow...drink some "High Life" or something, go wax your car, and forget everything I've said...there...is that ok???

is it better to offer a disclaimer at end...will i not get persecuted now??? maybe i should get all Kierkegaardian and just use pseudonymns...well, no, then I'd probably be compared to the DC snipers or something...right??

the pillow costs a lot my friend...to us all...and its not worth the millions sleeping on tapered pipe dreams...ie the suffering

what you do effects all of us...and vice versa...

i do appreciate the apology...i will try to be less emotional and more clear

later[/quote]

i've been reading and staying out of this for some time now, but note the response i bolded and note the lengthy response underneath it :)

i'm not trying to start anything... just wanted to point it out. long live progress 8)

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[quote=sacredawe78]asdf,

your psychology befuddles me

i will let this go for now, so you may continue on in ignorance...

( i mean peace ???)[/quote]

The man throws you an olive branch and you shit on it. Class act, I must say. :evil:

Can't you just accept that people have a difference of opinion than you rather than calling everybody who doesn't agree with you ignorant? Oh wait, I think your exact words (for anybody who voted for Bush or not at all) were "NIHILIST, A CHRISTIAN PEDANT, OR JUST PLAIN DUMB/BRAINWASHED". That just accomplishes nothing.

I certainly don't agree with the people who voted for Bush (or Kerry for that matter), but I certainly don't consider all of them to be ignorant. Many on both sides obviously have no idea who they are voting for beyond The Party (tm). But there are also a lot of people who know the issues, have thought them through, and have made informed decisions based on what is important to them. This includes many of the people on this board who have debated this election thing for the past months - most of whom you have baselessly insulted in this pointless thread.

I didn't vote for Kerry either - I went with an independent candidate (Nader). What does that make me? Nishilist? A hippie pendant? Ignorant? Dumb or Brainwashed??

Learn to accept a difference of opinion rather than being a dismissive more-holy-than-thou twat (I love that word ;) ). Do you want to make the world a better place or sit around and bitch because you don't like how it is currently going? Or is the country soooo fucked up that there is nothing more that can be done? Who is the nihilist now....

[quote]later[/quote]

if only.....

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[quote]asdf,

your psychology befuddles me

i will let this go for now, so you may continue on in ignorance...

( i mean peace ???)

and yes im sure your ignorance is even further a reality now youve already been breeding....it takes so much energy to keep up with the demands of capitalism and bring up a child into this world...you would never have time or energy to really challenge the system, would you?? therefore, i suppose i understand why it is you are so ignorant and so hopeful in American (capitalistic) ideology....seems like most of the country felt the same way you did, no time to spare, and all the faith in the world that what theyre doing is going to provide them a pillow to die on

all the lack of sleep you must get, the worry about bills, about your childs future, about spending quality time with your wife, about getting away, about working a job you probably don't like to make it by, about drinking coffee every morning just to do it...etc...etc...

that shit will eat you up...domesticate you and put you in a position where you have almost no choicce but to show your kid that this culture is ok as it is...my parents lied to me in the same fashion...but i still love them for it, and ultimately it seems sadly enough that is what most Americans feel they are limited to...breeding is the panacea...breeding so that they can go to the PTA meetings and have their voice heard, finally! they cant communicate with anyone else anyway, right? hmmm.....wonder why???

the negativity i bring is insulting to you personally because you don't want to think that everything youve given up to do is a mistake

so continue on in peace (i mean ignorance), your wife and kids will love you for it even more....i won't resent you personally...you are like just about everyone else in this culture including MYSELF...good intentions, but evil people...(I was attempting to point out earlier how this IS, and how this can be OVERCOME)

ill elaborate more on this theory later if it is WELCOMED??...i may seem pyschotic to you, but i am only emanating theories by philosophers that have written several books that are highly regarded in academia

its only foreign because philosophy is not mainstream...it is not valued, which is a serious serious problem

well anyhow...drink some "High Life" or something, go wax your car, and forget everything I've said...there...is that ok???

is it better to offer a disclaimer at end...will i not get persecuted now??? maybe i should get all Kierkegaardian and just use pseudonymns...well, no, then I'd probably be compared to the DC snipers or something...right??

the pillow costs a lot my friend...to us all...and its not worth the millions sleeping on tapered pipe dreams...ie the suffering

what you do effects all of us...and vice versa...

i do appreciate the apology...i will try to be less emotional and more clear

later[/quote]

it is okay my friend. i will not fight your battle, but i will discuss with you in some form of a eloquent and resourceful matter. as i stated, i surely understand you perspective, I am just a little baffled why you seek to pour the same gas into a burning fire? would it not be easier to douse the fire out with something else besides the fuel that all ready feeds the hungry machine?

[quote=LobsterClan]For what's supposed to be a "progressive community" there's an awful lot of animosity and bitterness here. It's particularly sad when so much of it comes from someone with an "Administrator" tag on their name.

One would think that those who consider themselves progressives would be very open to the free exhange of ideas, and rational discussion, with respect to everyone's point of views.[/quote]

Don't get progressive music mixed with progressive politics son. Thats like hispanics confusing Democracy with Democrat... you wonder where those extra votes came from :lol:

Re: A SAD, SAD DAY...

[quote=krelm][quote=sacredawe78]asdf,

your psychology befuddles me

i will let this go for now, so you may continue on in ignorance...

( i mean peace ???)[/quote]

The man throws you an olive branch and you shit on it. Class act, I must say. :evil:

Can't you just accept that people have a difference of opinion than you rather than calling everybody who doesn't agree with you ignorant? Oh wait, I think your exact words (for anybody who voted for Bush or not at all) were "NIHILIST, A CHRISTIAN PEDANT, OR JUST PLAIN DUMB/BRAINWASHED". That just accomplishes nothing.

I certainly don't agree with the people who voted for Bush (or Kerry for that matter), but I certainly don't consider all of them to be ignorant. Many on both sides obviously have no idea who they are voting for beyond The Party (tm). But there are also a lot of people who know the issues, have thought them through, and have made informed decisions based on what is important to them. This includes many of the people on this board who have debated this election thing for the past months - most of whom you have baselessly insulted in this pointless thread.

I didn't vote for Kerry either - I went with an independent candidate (Nader). What does that make me? Nishilist? A hippie pendant? Ignorant? Dumb or Brainwashed??

Learn to accept a difference of opinion rather than being a dismissive more-holy-than-thou twat (I love that word ;) ). Do you want to make the world a better place or sit around and bitch because you don't like how it is currently going? Or is the country soooo fucked up that there is nothing more that can be done? Who is the nihilist now....

[quote]later[/quote]

if only.....[/quote]

i like some of Nader's positions...i would have voted for him if Bush wasnt running...im not giving up...i would like to try another time to fill in the blanks here...i understand your contempt...i am only a nihilist when i have to give in to the conventions of this culture and put food on the table...my screaming banter may seem excessively negative, but it was positive in a philosophical way...guess you didnt see that...its over now...this thread has morphed into a pitiful diologue with no real substance...please bring up another topic we can discuss

are you giving up?

[url]http://www.commonalty.com/iq.txt[/url]

how funny. i found the same thing with different numbers.

how strange.

[url]http://www.sq.4mg.com/stateIQ-income.htm[/url]

[quote] Retraction from The Economist

you be the judge. :wink:

[quote=asdf_admin]are you giving up?[/quote]

speaking of pouring fuel...... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

asdf lets just end it...i said i wasnt giving up and we could discuss again when the emotions are gone...its stupid having an argument when everyone is teeming with anger...look what happened? everything i said got confused and twisted...fuck it now...well talk again about this when the time comes

Re: A SAD, SAD DAY...

sounds fair. we call it a truce.

:wink:

Missed a part of the conversation here, but a truce would be good. Throwing shit at each can be fun, but this time was getting a little pathetic.

I actually stopped posting because I got fed up with it. Next time, next topic, lots of fun.

Re: A SAD, SAD DAY...

[quote=asdf_admin]sounds fair. we call it a truce.

:wink:[/quote]

fuck, at first I thought that said.. we call it trance

LOL