I have been reading a lot on this lately. The Israelis feel Obama is to weak on the Iran issue. Here is one of the links to what I have been reading.

[URL]http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i8QVCIdlWEPuKSmihD8pG85yVpuwD949H2T00[/URL]

Kristol back in June

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuUnFIpSb-4[/URL]

Obama better tie up his boot straps because shit really could hit the fan on his first day.

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yup. like i said, those people who didnt want him in power (market, isreal, etc) are already letting him know it. he will have some serious problems lined up for him.

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Maybe Joe the Plumber was right

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why are we so in love with israel anyway? is it only because thats where the rapture is "supposed" to happen?

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it's a long, strange story.

I think Israel has a right to exist where they are. I don't think the United States should treat it like a little child.

They have thier shit together more than we do.

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long story short

isrealis existed there for a long time (few thousand years) between the crusades and the muslim expansion, the jews were pusehd out of the region and dispersed. theytried to move back in, but muslim countries allowing a large scale peaceful coexistence with jews will never happen. after ww2, britian and the alliend powers signed a treaty setting up a jewish state to try and give them back a peice of thier historical homeland arabs as a whole want them out because the conveinently forget the jews were there first and had to leave because of a pillaging warlord named mohammed and a pissed off pope whose names escapes me.

the UN is bound by treaty to protect them, and if we dont, they are dead. think of isrealites without outside protection as an endangered species.

again, long story short, details left out.

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fuck it, let them come to the US. srsly. that land is no good if people are constantly trying to kill you and iradiate the soil.

let them have it and destroy it. it's worthless in the hands of those who could not do anything with it for a few hundred years.

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or we could go with my ideal choas inducing theory and have the pope ask christianity to get thier stake back as well. hell we have more of a claim than islam, but not the jews. we both were there b4 we were forced out. then all hell would break loose. imagine if 10 million christians got into the mix and wanted a christian state there too.

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[QUOTE=thesightless;673278]or we could go with my ideal choas inducing theory and have the pope ask christianity to get thier stake back as well. hell we have more of a claim than islam, but not the jews. we both were there b4 we were forced out. then all hell would break loose. imagine if 10 million christians got into the mix and wanted a christian state there too.[/QUOTE]

isnt that the bigger reason though? the whole rapture second coming theory?

jews are just a placeholder until the second coming and them christians descend once jesus or heyzeus "comes" back.

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[quote=88Mariner;673274]fuck it, let them come to the US. srsly. that land is no good if people are constantly trying to kill you and iradiate the soil.

let them have it and destroy it. it's worthless in the hands of those who could not do anything with it for a few hundred years.[/quote]

Er, no.

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how come? we've got better shit over here anyways. plus, we don't have crazy ass muslims across the yard wanting to kill us. we've got docile canadians and labor-hungry mexicans. why you want to stick with staying in teh Detroit of the Middle East is beyond me.

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I am a Jew, Israel is not only my home physically but its my home spiritually.

As a Jew when I pray, I pray toward Jerusalem, the centre of Jewish religious and cultural life for the past three thousand years, I don't pray towards NY or LA.

I feel absolutely no connection to any other piece of land or nation on this planet - why should I move?

That's the simple answer - let me know if you want me to go into in more depth for you!

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Actually, go ahead. I'm interested to know why it's in your best interest of self-preservation to continue living on the brink of extinction. I understand your devotion to the land itself, but it's nothing more than soil that you've given meaning to; it's about as insane as a captain going down with his ship.

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Well here we go.

[URL="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1227702421218&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull"]http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1227702421218&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull[/URL]

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well, i guess another one of those "Israel readying to bomb Iran" articles is long overdue...

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;673274]fuck it, let them come to the US. srsly. that land is no good if people are constantly trying to kill you and iradiate the soil.[/QUOTE]

and give radical islamists another reason to believe they have been victorious in their un-relentless pursuit of senseless killing? I stay fuck leaving or even supporting their right to stay there, expand their territory out further than what they presently own so the populated areas in Israel have a chance of seeing "some" peace and the newly acclaimed land can become the empty barren areas where these radical idiots around them can continue to try and wage war without the fear of hurting more innocent people.

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;673295]how come? we've got better shit over here anyways. plus, we don't have crazy ass muslims across the yard wanting to kill us. we've got docile canadians and labor-hungry mexicans. why you want to stick with staying in teh Detroit of the Middle East is beyond me.[/QUOTE]

:lol: seriously dude, you crack me up, there's way more to being where you're from than your neighbors, your economy and so much more that you aren't relating to. clearly your sense of belonging isn't really one.

I totally understand dave's response. I have a connection with my homeland like no other, its not the glitter of tall buildings or the (not-so) fantastic economy or the being most powerful nation in the world. for me, my heritage and connection to my land is way more than that. beyond the obvious, its the tiniest of things I can relate to in an inexplicable way and arouse a sense of belonging that makes me proud of where I'm from (why I'm in the US has nothing to do with any of these).

from the muslim mosque just beyond the compound wall of my native place (where I'd hear their prayers early morning during my summer holidays) to the smell of the dusty roads in the small town I was born (where I have seen the first light of day), is a reminding scent and builds a connection to the place way beyond materialistic realities.

and there's no islamist going to take that away from me (had I been living back home) with a few bombs.

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sweet. so it has nothing to do with the intolerance that religion brings does it.

:lol:

[quote=thesightless;673258]long story short

isrealis existed there for a long time (few thousand years) between the crusades and the muslim expansion, the jews were pusehd out of the region and dispersed. theytried to move back in, but muslim countries allowing a large scale peaceful coexistence with jews will never happen. after ww2, britian and the alliend powers signed a treaty setting up a jewish state to try and give them back a peice of thier historical homeland arabs as a whole want them out because the conveinently forget the jews were there first and had to leave because of a pillaging warlord named mohammed and a pissed off pope whose names escapes me.

the UN is bound by treaty to protect them, and if we dont, they are dead. think of isrealites without outside protection as an endangered species.

again, long story short, details left out.[/quote]

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[quote=chloe harris;684149]sweet. so it has nothing to do with the intolerance that religion brings does it.

:lol:[/quote]

this has [I]nothing[/I] to do with intolerance, chloe.

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hahaahahahahhaahahahha. hahaaahha. haha.

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to quote the reporter from colbert report

motherfuckers supported by giant assholes.

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this will be Bush's parting gift for Obama.

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Forget Obama, Bush's parting IS a fucking gift to us all.

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[quote=Kamal;684398]Forget Obama, Bush's parting IS a fucking gift to us all.[/quote]

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does it matter who's the president? unless they want their ass get handled :|

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That's such a stupid logic proposed by sightless...i am not saying i support either side but according to him because the Jews were in Israel "first" (like 3000 years ago) they get to keep it and that's the way it works?? So then...Britain and Holland, France etc should like declare war on the US and try and get their land back?? wtf. Or better yet the red Indians? haha I really don't give a shit as far as I am concerned they can all (jews and arabs) kill each other off...I just think it was wrong for other nations to take sides and I think the US and the UK should never have been involved. (I know the history and I know why they did but they shouldn't have)

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[quote=Shpira;684915]That's such a stupid logic proposed by sightless...i am not saying i support either side but according to him because the Jews were in Israel "first" (like 3000 years ago) they get to keep it and that's the way it works?? So then...Britain and Holland, France etc should like declare war on the US and try and get their land back?? wtf. Or better yet the red Indians? haha I really don't give a shit as far as I am concerned they can all (jews and arabs) kill each other off...I just think it was wrong for other nations to take sides and I think the US and the UK should never have been involved. (I know the history and I know why they did but they shouldn't have)[/quote]

Should not the argument be on grounds of UN Mandate?

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[quote] I feel absolutely no connection to any other piece of land or nation on this planet[/quote]I'm going to play devil's advocate here and say that declaration of a particular piece of land as your homeland is an arbitrary subdivision of the planet where we all live. I feel a [I]profound[/I] connection to any and every piece of land or nation I travel to, and would have no problem calling any place on Earth my home so long as I had a home to go to. That said, I wouldn't want to be forcefully removed from a location where most of my culture's history had transpired...

Makes me realize I know next to nothing about this issue. Why are Muslims so infuriated by the Jewish presence there? Is it another one of those "the one true religion" things was played out ad nauseum 500 years ago? I assume it also has to do with Western intervention and meddling?

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hey numbnuts, it isnt a illogical proposal. its a statement of historical fact. k bye. not my fault you cannot grasp fact as opposed to opinions. i stated facts that happened. thats it.

[quote=Shpira;684915]That's such a stupid logic proposed by sightless...i am not saying i support either side but according to him because the Jews were in Israel "first" (like 3000 years ago) they get to keep it and that's the way it works?? So then...Britain and Holland, France etc should like declare war on the US and try and get their land back?? wtf. Or better yet the red Indians? haha I really don't give a shit as far as I am concerned they can all (jews and arabs) kill each other off...I just think it was wrong for other nations to take sides and I think the US and the UK should never have been involved. (I know the history and I know why they did but they shouldn't have)[/quote]

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Historical fact...hehe good for you I am not as quick to throw insults around otherwise I would be forced to call you some names...

As for facts...a gretaer level of objectivity may be needed to call something a historical fact...a murdering warlord? the arabs wanted them out and the jews were cool with the arab population? the only ones who commited crimes are arabs right...no psychotic jewish ppl are to blame as well...hehe...and of course the cold war and the therat of communism had nothing to do with establishing israel in the middle east...no i guess not...man you really need to read up. I know you said short history but its short without the history part...

So to cut the story short its not a statement of Historical fact its a statement of your version of history...therefore it is an argument and a proposal of history for everyone to accept as true or reject as false...I am not saying I know everything on the topic but at least I know enough to see bent versions of the truth...

Anyway if anyone is interested and they should be (as this is one of the most important issues of the last 60 years or so) they should go and pick a book on the subject or at least read in a little bit more detail...

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[quote=Shpira;685404]Historical fact...hehe good for you I am not as quick to throw insults around otherwise I would be forced to call you some names...

As for facts...a gretaer level of objectivity may be needed to call something a historical fact...a murdering warlord? the arabs wanted them out and the jews were cool with the arab population? the only ones who commited crimes are arabs right...no psychotic jewish ppl are to blame as well...hehe...and of course the cold war and the therat of communism had nothing to do with establishing israel in the middle east...no i guess not...man you really need to read up. I know you said short history but its short without the history part...

So to cut the story short its not a statement of Historical fact its a statement of your version of history...therefore it is an argument and a proposal of history for everyone to accept as true or reject as false...I am not saying I know everything on the topic but at least I know enough to see bent versions of the truth...

Anyway if anyone is interested and they should be (as this is one of the most important issues of the last 60 years or so) they should go and pick a book on the subject or at least read in a little bit more detail...[/quote]

:lol: @ saying you don't know a damned thing on teh subject and telling us to go pick up a book. :lol:

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I don't believe the US/israel will attack Iran any time too soon. An attack can't legally be justified nor can the US citizens stomach it right now, especially in this financial crisis .

israel would love the US to do it's dirty work for her but might have to wait a little while longer. israel won't attack Iran on her own.

Obama has stated that he prefers dialogue with the leaders of Iran as opposed to military conflict.

The US has lost alot of respect over the last 8 years. She has a huge task ahead in regaining her dignity.

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nether of the countries have big enough balls to do so. since both know what could be the consequence. and that is exactly why Iran supports terrorist. its our insurance policy.

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[quote=thesightless;673141]yup. like i said, those people who didnt want him in power (market, isreal, etc) are already letting him know it. he will have some serious problems lined up for him.[/quote]

don't think so. i predicted that obama was going to be president when he was over there shaking their hands.

and for peeps who think the british had the power to give the jews the land..im not even sure about that. theres a audio clip floating around that talks about what really happened.

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The rhetoric is getting more intense.

[URL]http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D98A4CQG2&show_article=1[/URL]

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Alex Vatanka, a senior Middle East analyst at Jane's Information Group, said [B]the test "does not change the strategic equation"[/B] in the region because Iran has had the ballistic missile capability to hit Israel and much of the Middle East for more than a decade with its Shahab missiles.

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I was referring to the propaganda. Israel wants to move on this and the US is holding them back. The 2 state solution won't fly. I wish it would work but history tells me otherwise.

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"They're troublemakers and you have to deal with troublemakers."

Israel can move all it wants but sooner rather than later they will see their ass flapping in the wind...

p.s. for the record that Internet site is shit. Just read an article about steroids...its like the writer has an IQ of 40. [QUOTE]According to studies and research, using anabolic steroids merely inflates your muscles (hence the term "juiced") and does not provide permanent results. There are also several harmful side effects of steroid use, like diabetes, rage, aggression, uncontrollable mood-swings and significant changes to body systems that are not natural to the user's gender.[/QUOTE]

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^The results from anabolic steroids are not permanent though?

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yeah you lose about 35% of what you gained from taking them after you get off the cycle. . .so you keep 65% of the amount you gained.