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VP Debate Thread

87 durable postsStarted 2008-09-27Latest 2008-10-06

#1093459Post 41 of 872008-10-03

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[QUOTE=Steve Graham;657727]these debates are really nothing more than pissing contests really, so what if she "held her own", is she to be rewarded for holding her own? seriously, take your cutsie winking hockey mum BS and piss off

as someone said earlier, with enough cramming and coaching you should be able to answer questions you know are going to be asked.. I still think the prior interviews where she completely failed are more of a guage as to her true knowledge and ability to hold the second highest office in the land [/QUOTE]

Yeah, it's really saying something when a candidate for the second highest office in the land not getting her ass handed to her in a debate is a positive news story for her. If she hadn't be so cringe-inducingly bad in the days leading up to the debate, there wouldn't be any question at all about who won.

Even with her having the benefit of being able to say, "I wasn't as bad as everyone thought I would be," I think the ship has sailed on her qualifications to be president. You're able to flip through your mental rolodex of memorized talking points for the response that comes closest to answering the question, and we're supposed to forget everything that we saw in the lead up to the debate? When she said (paraphrasing), "I'm not going to answer the questions the way you want me to," my first thought was, "Yeah, no shit, that's evident -- you're going to say whatever you want to say regardless of whether it really answers the question or not." I do wonder if the pre-spin on Gwen Ifill's objectivity made her gunshy about pushing Palin to respond more directly to questions, because she never really pressed either of them. Oh well.

Also, I would think that even if you disagree with Joe Biden on the substance, when you watch him respond to the questions that were posed, it's obvious that he's informed on the topics at issue and is providing his actual opinion based upon a real body of knowledge. Absolutely passed the "ready to step in and be president" test IMO.

#1093460Post 42 of 872008-10-03

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[quote=88Mariner;657610]lolwhut???

spectacularly? maybe from the beginning she came out strong, but her statements were clearly memorized, and she spent lots of time avoiding answering the questions. [/quote]

I said: "[B]Compared to her most recent interviews[/B], she performed spectacularly."

don't try to make me out into some sort of a Palin lover :twisted::lol:

#1093461Post 43 of 872008-10-03

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was it just me or did Plain look HOT last night. Every time she looked in that camera I got the hots for her. What an outfit and her teeth are soooo white. I also can't believe how stupid the media is. They are actually saying because Palin didn't bomb it she won. All I heard all morning on GMA and Today is that because there wasn't a catastrophe on her behalf they have to give it to her. I mean what standards do you have for a president???

But she still sucks which we all know she does. Unfit to lead, coached, just not ready for the pressure of the big game.

#1093464Post 44 of 872008-10-03

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[quote=Miroslav;657741]I said: "[B]Compared to her most recent interviews[/B], she performed spectacularly."

don't try to make me out into some sort of a Palin lover :twisted::lol:[/quote]

I'd give her some lovin'. :shock:

McLovin.

ohshit, new meme!!!

#1093483Post 45 of 872008-10-03

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"Darn right, I'll get back to ya on that one. You betcha!!"

#1093485Post 46 of 872008-10-03

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[IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2909496470_d751e8a3dc.jpg?v=0[/IMG]

#1093510Post 47 of 872008-10-03

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[QUOTE=Jenks;657321]This is awesome. Print some out for the debate tonight if you're not watching it alone.

[url]http://www.palinbingo.com/[/url][/QUOTE]

We actually ended up playing this last night, and it was a blast. "Heartland" ended up being the winning word. Awesome find!

#1093529Post 48 of 872008-10-03

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;654963]Break news.....

[IMG]http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4381/palinwinsdebatevm0.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

Where is the money shot on her face?

#1093595Post 49 of 872008-10-03

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Personally, I've really fallen for her charming, folksy "howdy doody" ask-a-hockey mom schtick. It's just SOOO REFRESHING in today's politics. You betcha!!! :BangHead:

#1093605Post 50 of 872008-10-03

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:CrackUp:

unfortunately she probably had something similar to this in front of her last night, lol

[quote=88Mariner;657766][IMG]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2909496470_d751e8a3dc.jpg?v=0[/IMG][/quote]

#1093610Post 51 of 872008-10-03

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Did anyone else notice that there were instances where she was very clearly reading off of something on her podium? Not sure if she was reading off of the notes she was scribbling during the debate or something she had with her at the outset, but she was definitely reading at times. Maybe one of the commentators out there will catch it and post a video or something...

#1093617Post 52 of 872008-10-03

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I think one positive out of this "Palin-gate" lol, is it will possibly bring people out that havent voted in the past. I have never voted and I'm sure by my recent posts you can tell I am not deeply into politics, but this election I will.. because if by some chance this "Team Maverick" wins and I didnt vote, I will be very upset

#1093619Post 53 of 872008-10-03

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[quote=toasty;657904]Did anyone else notice that there were instances where she was very clearly reading off of something on her podium? Not sure if she was reading off of the notes she was scribbling during the debate or something she had with her at the outset, but she was definitely reading at times. Maybe one of the commentators out there will catch it and post a video or something...[/quote]

from what i remember of the obama/mccain debate obama had notes in front of him to that he was looking at or reading. i believe i even saw mccain looking down too...

jus sayin

#1093631Post 54 of 872008-10-03

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[QUOTE=shosh;657913]from what i remember of the obama/mccain debate obama had notes in front of him to that he was looking at or reading. i believe i even saw mccain looking down too...

jus sayin[/QUOTE]

There's definitely nothing wrong with having notes, taking notes, etc. There was at least one instance where she was reading verbatim from something in front of her, though. Wish I could remember when it was so I could post a video. Oh well.

#1093636Post 55 of 872008-10-03

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^afghanistan comments

#1093638Post 56 of 872008-10-03

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i seriously cannot understand the outpouring of support of the notion that 'sarah palin rocked it last night'. this does not come from objective sincerity, this comes out simply because she's a 'republican'. this is maddening. both sides.

Welcome the rule of simpletonian politics.

Also, does anyone wonder how much Palin is paying Drudge?

#1093645Post 57 of 872008-10-03

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[QUOTE=toasty;657904]Did anyone else notice that there were instances where she was very clearly reading off of something on her podium? Not sure if she was reading off of the notes she was scribbling during the debate or something she had with her at the outset, but she was definitely reading at times. Maybe one of the commentators out there will catch it and post a video or something...[/QUOTE]

I noticed this a lot, I think the both had notes but she was definitely doing a lot of reading throughout the debate.

Palin didn't fall apart like myself and so many others had expected (or even hoped for!)

She did okay in the debate, however she had a whole month to prepare for it and had been cramming hard the past 1.5 weeks at McCain's ranch. I believe that anyone, no matter how clueless, could have performed as she did last night if they were spoon fed information from her republican advisors & were able to practice/prepare for every possible situation over and over again until they had it down.

#1093649Post 58 of 872008-10-03

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[QUOTE=pr0ficient;657940] She did okay in the debate, however she had a whole month to prepare for it and had been cramming hard the past 1.5 weeks at McCain's ranch. I believe that anyone, no matter how clueless, could have performed as she did last night if they were spoon fed information from her republican advisors & were able to practice/prepare for every possible situation over and over again until they had it down.[/QUOTE]

It also makes it easier when you can just say whatever you want to say without reference to the actual question asked.

#1093650Post 59 of 872008-10-03

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There is absolutely NOTHING surprising in any of this.

Most everyone knew that she would study hard and pull it together for the VP debate.

Most everyone knew that a bunch of idiot commentators would write stupid "surprise" articles about it the next day.

And most everyone knows that that woman is still grossly unqualified to even THINK about stepping into the VP spot.

#1093653Post 60 of 872008-10-03

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BREAKING NEWS:

Obama's Campaign and Supporters: Obama and Biden sweep the debates

McCain's Campaign and Supporters: McCain and Palin sweep the debates

#1093661Post 61 of 872008-10-03

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lol @ Biden not having a clue what obama wants to do with iran. when palin was saying that obama would be willing to meet with the iranian pres without preconditions biden said: "his is simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say sit down with Ahmadinejad."

from obama's site: [QUOTE] Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions. [/QUOTE]

lulz

#1093662Post 62 of 872008-10-03

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[quote=shosh;657948]BREAKING NEWS:

Obama's Campaign and Supporters: Obama and Biden sweep the debates

McCain's Campaign and Supporters: McCain and Palin sweep the debates[/quote]

Ok shosh, I'm sorry but I just have to ask. I've been dying to know: Your avowed hatred of Obama and his lack of experience aside for a moment...can you possibly deny that Palin has turned out to be a horrifically unqualified choice by McCain?

#1093672Post 63 of 872008-10-03

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[QUOTE=shosh;657956]lol @ Biden not having a clue what obama wants to do with iran. when palin was saying that obama would be willing to meet with the iranian pres without preconditions biden said: "his is simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say sit down with Ahmadinejad." [/QUOTE]

OK, first off, Ahmadinejad is not the leader of Iran, and unless he's done it very recently, he has never, in fact, said he'd sit down with Ahmadinejad, period. More importantly, though, haven't we all been over this before? It's a semantic difference, the difference between "preparations" and "preconditions." If you've made it to this point in the election season and you sincerely believe that Obama intends to invite Ahmadinijad over for a BBQ right off the bat, you're either not paying attention, are listening selectively, or are being intellectually dishonest. No one believes that.

#1093674Post 64 of 872008-10-03

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[quote=Miroslav;657957]Ok shosh, I'm sorry but I just have to ask. I've been dying to know: Your avowed hatred of Obama and his lack of experience aside for a moment...can you possibly deny that Palin has turned out to be a horrifically unqualified choice by McCain?[/quote]

i never said she was the best choice or that i agree with what mccain's choice. so yeah i do agree that she is unqualified. tbh i didnt even want mccain to be the gop nominee. and i actually believe that neither obama nor mccain are going to do any good. glad i could help you stay alive :D

#1093676Post 65 of 872008-10-03

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[quote=toasty;657968]OK, first off, Ahmadinejad is not the leader of Iran, and unless he's done it very recently, he has never, in fact, said he'd sit down with Ahmadinejad, period. More importantly, though, haven't we all been over this before? It's a semantic difference, the difference between "preparations" and "preconditions." If you've made it to this point in the election season and you sincerely believe that Obama intends to invite Ahmadinijad over for a BBQ right off the bat, you're either not paying attention, are listening selectively, or are being intellectually dishonest. No one believes that.[/quote]

wait wat?

Ahmadinejad is the president of Iran, isn't he? Obama says right on his website that he "supports tough, direct [SIZE=3][B]presidential [/B][/SIZE]diplomacy with Iran [SIZE=3][B]without preconditions[/B][/SIZE]."

Biden denied Obama said that.

[IMG]http://i34.tinypic.com/10ic569.jpg[/IMG]

I am paying attention, are you?

#1093679Post 66 of 872008-10-03

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[QUOTE=shosh;657972]wait wat?

Hey dumbass, that means the US president, not the president of Iran. :roll:

#1093686Post 67 of 872008-10-03

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[quote=toasty;657975]Hey dumbass, that means the US president, not the president of Iran. :roll:[/quote]

direct presidential diplomacy means to me president to president...

im just reading the words, why are you twisting them?

#1093689Post 68 of 872008-10-03

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[QUOTE=shosh;657982]direct presidential diplomacy means to me president to president...

im just reading the words, why are you twisting them?[/QUOTE]

OK, so what happens when the US decides to negotiate with a country that doesn't have a president? And what would be the point of having negotiations with the president when the leader of the country is actually the Supreme Leader? It makes no sense.

"Direct presidential diplomacy" means "our president is directly involved in diplomacy." It's the only interpretation that makes any sense.

#1093690Post 69 of 872008-10-03

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ok, I'm confused then, if Ahmadinejad isnt the leader of Iran who is?

#1093692Post 70 of 872008-10-03

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[quote=Steve Graham;657986]ok, I'm confused then, if Ahmadinejad isnt the leader of Iran who is?[/quote]

technically ahmadinejad is the president (has executive powers), the supreme leader is Ali Khamenei, the ayatollah

#1093695Post 71 of 872008-10-03

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ahhh, ok, thanks

#1093700Post 72 of 872008-10-03

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[QUOTE=shosh;657988]technically ahmadinejad is the president (has executive powers), the supreme leader is Ali Khamenei, the ayatollah[/QUOTE]

Kinda surprised you know this, makes me wonder why you're so worked up about Ahmadinejad since you know he's not the "leader" of Iran and therefore not the person Obama would be negotiating with anyway. Seems a touch disingenuous.

And by the way, lest there be any confusion about who has what duties, the Ayatollah is the supreme commander of the Iranian armed forces and has the sole authority to declare war and peace.

[url]http://www.leader.ir/langs/en/index.php?p=leader_law[/url]

#1093702Post 73 of 872008-10-03

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[quote=shosh;657956]lol @ Biden not having a clue what obama wants to do with iran. when palin was saying that obama would be willing to meet with the iranian pres without preconditions biden said: "his is simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say sit down with Ahmadinejad."

from obama's site:

lulz[/quote]

how about putting the complete quote from Biden.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNyfoxsxsD0&feature=related[/URL]

at about minute 1.30

i mean, yes we all know both twisted the truth a bit, but man, if youre trying to make a point, do your homework a bit better man.

also, heres the list of things that both vp candidates kind of lied a bit on::

[URL]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/debate_fact_check[/URL]

#1093708Post 74 of 872008-10-03

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[quote=toasty;657996]Kinda surprised you know this, makes me wonder why you're so worked up about Ahmadinejad since you know he's not the "leader" of Iran and therefore not the person Obama would be negotiating with anyway. Seems a touch disingenuous.

And by the way, lest there be any confusion about who has what duties, the Ayatollah is the supreme commander of the Iranian armed forces and has the sole authority to declare war and peace.

[URL]http://www.leader.ir/langs/en/index.php?p=leader_law[/URL][/quote]

[quote=Cj Tari;657998]how about putting the complete quote from Biden.

[URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNyfoxsxsD0&feature=related[/URL]

at about minute 1.30

i mean, yes we all know both twisted the truth a bit, but man, if youre trying to make a point, do your homework a bit better man.

also, heres the list of things that both vp candidates kind of lied a bit on::

[URL]http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/debate_fact_check[/URL][/quote]

i was just pointing out another discrepancy between what biden and what obama agree on

#1093713Post 75 of 872008-10-03

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I could not stop laughing every time Palin used the word maverick.

#1093717Post 76 of 872008-10-03

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[quote=DreamGirlie;658010]I could not stop laughing every time Palin used the word maverick.[/quote]

Its really getting to be a bit ghey if you ask me, lol

MAVERICK! [IMG]http://www.topgunparty.com/images/maverick_charlie.jpg[/IMG]

#1093743Post 77 of 872008-10-03

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I hope they make fun of it on SNL personally.

#1093764Post 78 of 872008-10-03

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biden kept putting words in palin's mouth and stating false claims knowing most people wouldn't know any better... sneaky guy. or just a typical politician. i thought palin could have made it much more interesting if she would have followed suit and done the same thing to the obama/biden campaign. she doesn't know any better though. i found the whole debate frustrating.

#1093771Post 79 of 872008-10-03

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[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRCWbFFRpnY[/YOUTUBE]

one of my all-time favourite pwnages. look how bad it's gotten when you cant even be civil when calling someone an asshole with all politeness.

#1093841Post 80 of 872008-10-04

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[quote=Garrick;658062]biden kept putting words in palin's mouth and stating false claims knowing most people wouldn't know any better... sneaky guy. or just a typical politician. i thought palin could have made it much more interesting if she would have followed suit and done the same thing to the obama/biden campaign. she doesn't know any better though. i found the whole debate frustrating.[/quote]

don't let the down homey twang fool you, she's doing the same thing...