Re: WW II less than Iraq

long term benifits for the whole entire planet? look at the area encompassing china and the surrounding region. united by war in the begining. grew together with law and prosperity. or just look at europe right now. 60 years ago, it was a giant battlefeild. now you have the EU. took a major war to unite the factions, and get governments in place that wouldnt try to off a religion.

Re: WW II less than Iraq

^^^hahaha...Yeah you could justify anything with long term benefits- work like an ass today and you'll get a promotion....kill all Jews/Arabs end the middle east crisis...nationalise all property end the class strugle...lol...everything for long term benefits.

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[quote=thesightless;458750]stop being pussies people. like when hezzbollah did what they did last year, and everyone said isreal was wrong... no they werent, if i kidnapped you family and bombed your neighborhood, i hope you wouldnt say "oh shit, it wasnt officially a declared war action so we cant react.[/quote]

[B][SIZE=4][COLOR=#ff0000]Olmert's Truth[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] 10/03/07

[B]IF GOD wills, even a broomstick will shoot. That is an old Yiddish adage. One could add now: If God wills, even Olmert can sometimes tell the truth.[/B] The truth, according to the Prime Minister's testimony before the Inquiry Commission headed by Judge Vinograd that was leaked to the media yesterday, is that this was not a spontaneous reaction to the capture of the two soldiers, but a war planned a long time ago. We said so right from the start.

Olmert told the commission that immediately after assuming the functions of acting prime minister, in January 2006, he consulted with the army chiefs about the situation on the northern border. Until then, the prevailing doctrine followed Ariel Sharon's decision - logical from his point of view - not to react in force to provocations in the north, so that the Israeli army could concentrate on fighting the Palestinians. But this enabled Hizbullah to build up a large stockpile of rockets of all kinds. Olmert decided to change that policy.

The army prepared a two-pronged plan: an operation on the ground aimed at the elimination of Hizbullah, and an aerial offensive, aimed at the destruction of the Lebanese infrastructure, in order to put pressure on the Lebanese public which in turn would put pressure on Hizbullah. As the Chief of Staff, Dan Halutz, said at the beginning of the war: "we shall turn Lebanon's clock back 20 years." (a rather modest aim, compared to the famous proposal of an American colleague: to "bomb Vietnam back to the stone age".) The Air Force was also tasked with destroying Hizbullah's rocket arsenal.

But nowadays it is not proper anymore to attack a country without a convincing reason. Already before the First Lebanon War, the Americans demanded that Israel attack only after a clear provocation that would convince the world. The necessary justification was provided at the right time by the Abu Nidal gang, which tried to assassinate the Israeli ambassador in London. In the recent case, it was decided in advance that the capture of Israeli soldiers would constitute such a provocation.

A cynic might argue that this decision turned Israeli soldiers into bait. It was known that Hizbullah wanted to capture soldiers in order to force a prisoner exchange. The regular Israeli army patrols along the border fence were, in a way, a standing invitation to Hizbullah to carry out their evil design.

THE CAPTURE of the soldier Gilad Shalit by Palestinians near the Gaza border fence turned on a red light in Israel. Olmert said in his testimony that from that moment on, he was convinced that Hizbullah was about to try to carry out a similar exploit.

If so, the prime minister should perhaps have ordered the army to halt the patrols along the northern border, or to reinforce them in a way that would deter Hizbullah. That was not done. The poor members of the fateful patrol set out on their way as to a picnic.

The same cynic might argue that Olmert and the army chiefs were interested in a pretext in order to execute their war plans. They were convinced, anyhow, that the soldiers would be brought home in a jiffy. But, as the British royal motto says, Honi soit qui mal y pense - Shame upon him who thinks ill of it.

Anyhow, Hizbullah attacked, two soldiers were captured, and the planned operation should have started rolling smoothly. But that did not happen. The war did indeed break out, as planned, but from then on almost nothing went according to plan. Consultations were hasty, the decisions confused, the operations indecisive. It now appears that the plan was not yet finalized and confirmed.

The Vinograd commission is supposed to find the answers to some tough questions: If the war was planned such a long time in advance, why was the army not ready for war? How come the army budget was reduced? How come the emergency arsenals were empty? Why were the reserve forces, which were supposed to carry out the operations on the ground, called up only when the war was already in full swing? And after they were finally deployed, why did they receive confused and contradictory orders?

All these show that Olmert and the generals were grossly incompetent in their military decision-making. But they also lacked any understanding of the international scene.

HASSAN NASRALLAH has openly admitted that he made a mistake.

He did not understand that there had been a change in Israel: instead of Sharon, an old war-horse who was not looking for action in the north, a new man had arrived, an inexperienced politician itching for war. What Nasrallah had in mind was just another round of the usual: the capture of some soldiers and a prisoner exchange. Instead, a full-blown war broke out.

But Ehud Olmert's mistake was even bigger. He was convinced that the United States would give him a blessing for the road and allow him to roam in Lebanon at will. But American interests, too, had changed.

In Lebanon, the government of Fuad Siniora has succeeded in uniting all pro-American forces. They have loyally carried out all of Washington's orders, have driven out the Syrians and have supported the investigation of Rafiq Hariri's murder, which is to provide the Americans with a pretext for a massive strike against Syria.

According to Olmert's leaks, Condoleezza Rice called him just after the outbreak of the war and conveyed to him the up-to-date American orders : it was indeed desired that Israel should deal a crushing blow to Hizbullah, the enemies of Siniora, but it was absolutely forbidden to do anything that would hurt Siniora, such as bombing Lebanese infrastructure outside Hizbullah's territory.

That emasculated the General Staff's plans. The main idea had been that if the civilian population in Lebanon was hurt sufficiently, it would put pressure on the government to act decisively against Hizbullah, enough to liquidate the organization or, at least, to disarm it. It is very doubtful whether this strategy would have succeeded if it had been carried out, but because of the American intervention it was not carried out.

Instead of the massive bombardment that would have destroyed the basic industries and facilities, Halutz had to be satisfied - after Condeleezza's phone call - with bombing the roads and bridges that serve Hizbullah and the Shiite population (including the supply lines for Syrian arms to Hizbullahland.) The damage was extensive, but not sufficient to bring Lebanon to its knees - if that was at all possible. Apart from that, the air force succeeded in destroying some of the long-range missiles, but the short-range missiles were not hit, and it was those that created havoc among the population in northern Israel.

On the ground, the operation was even more confused. Only during the last 48 hours of the war, when it was already clear that the cease-fire was about to come into force, was the major offensive, in which 33 Israeli soldiers died, set in motion. What for? In his testimony, Olmert asserts that it was necessary in order to change some points in the UN resolution in Israel's favor. We know today (as we said at the time) that these changes were worthless and they remained on paper.

THE INTERVENTION of Condoleezza Rice in the conduct of the war is interesting also in another respect. It sheds light on a question that has been engaging the experts for some time now: in the relationship between the United States and Israel, do American interests override Israeli, or is it the other way round?

This discussion came to a head when the American professors, Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer, published their research paper, according to which Israel imposes on the United States a policy that is contrary to the American national interest. The conclusion upset many who believe the opposite: that Israel is but a small wheel in the imperial American machine. (I permitted myself to argue that both versions are right: the American dog wags its Israeli tail, and the Israeli tail wags the American dog.)

When Condoleezza Rice encouraged Israel to go to war but vetoed an essential part of the war plan, it seems that she proved the two professors wrong. True, Olmert got American permission for his war, which served American interests (the elimination of Hizbullah, which opposed the pro-American Siniora government, though it officially belonged to it), but only with severe limitations (in order not to hurt the Siniora government).

THE SAME principle is now operating on the Syrian front.

Bashar al-Assad offers Israel peace negotiations without prior conditions. This way, he hopes to avert an American attack on his country. Like the two professors, he believes that the Israeli lobby rules Washington.

Almost all the important experts in Israel are in agreement that the Syrian offer is serious. Even in "security circles" some are urging Olmert to seize the opportunity and achieve peace in the north.

But the Americans have put an absolute veto on that, which Olmert has accepted. A vital Israeli interest has been sacrificed on the American altar. Even now, when Bush is already entering into some kind of a dialog with Syria, the Americans are prohibiting us from doing the same.

Why? Very simple: the Americans are using us as a threat. They hold us on a line, like an attack dog, and tell Assad: if you don't do as we wish, we shall release the dog.

If the Americans reach an agreement with the Syrians, using this threat among others, it is they who will garner the political profits from any accord we reach with Syria in the end.

That reminds me of the events of 1973. After the October war, Israeli-Egyptian cease-fire negotiations started at km 101 (from Cairo). At some stage, General Israel Tal took over as the chief of the Israeli delegation. Much later, he told me the following story:

"At a certain point, General Gamasy, the Egyptian representative, approached and told me that Egypt was now ready to sign an agreement with us. Full of joy, I took a plane and rushed to (Prime Minister) Golda Meir, to bring her the happy news. But Golda told me to stop everything immediately. She said to me: I have promised Henry Kissinger that if we arrive at an agreement, we shall transfer the whole matter to him, and he will tie up the loose ends."

And that is what happened, of course. The negotiations at km 101 were stopped, and Kissinger took control of the scene. It was he who reached the agreement, and the US was credited with it. The Egyptians became loyal followers of the US. The Israeli-Egyptian agreement was postponed for five years. It was achieved by Anwar Sadat, who planned his historic flight to Jerusalem behind the backs of the Americans.

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Re: WW II less than Iraq

[quote=thesightless;459982]how dumb are you? seriously, how far gone?

this is the basis for every arguement you have on this board. NO ONE PUMPS OIL FOR FREE. in fact, everyone pays the same on the open market on a day by day basis. the only countries that dont pay for oil on the open market are kuwait, venezuala, and saudi arabia. they own thier own processing plants, pumps, rigs, and associated materials. every other country, goes to a commodeities market where oil processing companies sell it. oil processing companies are hired by either the host country or the landowner. where the hell are we pumping oil for free?

its a shame i took you off my ignore list. you cannot possibly be this thick to ignore such huge facts such as oil being a traded commodity. please stay out. nothing you say has any current real world data viable to the arguements.[/quote]

Sightless, i think the Term for Free might not be correct, whoever they are the most benefiter country form the situation and i can provide you with Fact: 1- One of the most important point of for geopolitics of Oil is controlling the oil sources with in return will be able to control the Oil prices which is very sensitive to economy as a commodity product esp for the industrial nations like US, Euro...etc Example, every 5 dollars incline in oil prices slow the economic growth by avr 2% and the dilemma is that even when prices goes down again the revers effect dose not happen to the economy, so basically industrial nations need to control the ME mad ppl in order to stabilize oil prices and in return keep the economy growth of your nation.( this strategy was established esp after the 1970 embargo by arab oil makers within OPEC during war with Israel) 2- Iraq before the last invasion was pumping 3M barrel of oil a day, Saudi is on 5M barrel a day and they have the infrastructure to fluid the market with up to 10M barrel a day, so basically they are the leader of Oil Market ( they managed to increase their production through the 1st Gulf war with 3M extra barrel a day in nearly 1 month)Now the USA and many other countries are trying to find oil in many other locations other than the ME ( Easter Euro, Siberia, the Arctic ...etc) however the most important element in the equation is the cost of pumping the oil, so for the time being they need to get the shallow oil in Iraq, knowing that the capacity of Iraq oil can go up to 7M barrel a day, by which they can control the oil market ( they already have military basis in Saudi and they controlling the 7M barrel of oil a day in Iraq). 3- I want you to go over what happened by the US army ones they invaded Iraq, they controlled the ministry of oil, however they left the rest on the country in chiaos, they send their troops to the big oil reserves to make sure they are safe....and some time after they were trying to announce that Iraq will get out of OPEC, however the OPEC countries did not let that happen by using their production power. So i belive it works not only in the benefit of your nations to drive SUV's & Truck with Sheep Oil, but also to keep your economy growth rates and please do not 4get the loppy of the Big Fat energy companies on the Bush admin, esp that he's an ex-oil man :) P.SI have nothing against you or any other individual here on MS or even outside, so take it easy and have a good Oil day ;)

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[quote=dig72;460169] is that this was not a spontaneous reaction to the capture of the two soldiers, but a war planned a long time ago. We said so right from the start.

[/quote]

The plans for attack were based on ONE thing - should hizbollah attack Israel.

They did. We responded.

Simple even for you to underfstand no dig? Or in the universe you inhabit do you think its ok for one country to be attacked , have its soldiers killed and kidnapped and not respond?

Congratulations tho dig your journey into dhimmitude is complete, your Islamofacist overloards will be proud. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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[quote=davetlv;460052] Islam is growing religion based on the ideology of join us or we kill you. Some religion of peace you have there mate.

For your information twat my country existed long before your sacred prophet took a child to be his wife. [/quote]

Just to to get back to you on this, Islam is the most growing Religion regardless of all the media attckes by many ppl, and to you info if the growth just stayed as this level: 25% of Europe will be muslim by 2010 !!

Please man do no use such lengo when you speak about our prophet or other...keep them out of the discussion. Thanks

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[quote=Dzone;460261]Just to to get back to you on this, Islam is the most growing Religion regardless of all the media attckes by many ppl, and to you info if the growth just stayed as this level: 25% of Europe will be muslim by 2010 !!

Please man do no use such lengo when you speak about our prophet or other...keep them out of the discussion. Thanks[/quote]

I'll tell you what Dzone, when Muslims like you stand up to your fundamentalists, when you stop them killing innocent men, women and children across this planet all in the name of your religion, when you stop your violent rhetoric, when you allow people to freely practice whatever religion they like in your countries, maybe then I'll show your religion a bit more respect - but up until that time Dzone, I will see Islam as nothing more than a death cult.

A bit harsh? Maybe, but you reap what you sow.

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[quote=davetlv;460274]I'll tell you what Dzone, when Muslims like you stand up to your fundamentalists, when you stop them killing innocent men, women and children across this planet all in the name of your religion, when you stop your violent rhetoric, when you allow people to freely practice whatever religion they like in your countries, maybe then I'll show your religion a bit more respect - but up until that time Dzone, I will see Islam as nothing more than a death cult.

A bit harsh? Maybe, but you reap what you sow.[/quote]

[FONT=Times New Roman]Dave, I do not Stand up for Fundamentalists, just to refresh your memory Egypt suffered form them and their attacks killing civilians for years in the 90's and even in the last couple of years. So 4 sure I'm not with them, here or even abroad and from day 1 i Said ( this is based on my belive and my religion as well) that no matter what Civilians should not be killed. What i am trying to discuss there, is how the other side ( ME, Arabs, Mulism) look at it, also i am trying to get down to the real reasons of why those Fundamentalists grow and have more room to let their ideas reach more ppl. Coz of many things that have been happening by US Gov, Israel's gov, UK gov..etc within the region ( Example, OBL started his This things are giving those Fundamentalists good reasons ( beside that fact of ignorance, Poverty, and the roll of dictators "hussnie Moubark has been rolling Egypt since 1981 FFS") who are supported by this Gov to insure that their interest in the region is looked after.

I just want to draw your attention that, we can see things here that you guyz cant see or understand...and i get that...same on your case your POV is valid from your side ( I'm a regular visitor to Sinai and i meet allot of Israel's that stay in the same cambe and we discuss many thing over dinner, drinks or good smoke)

And i do understand that they have a point as well we do have 1.... i am here to discuss this in civilized manner, I'm not trying to solve the ME on bloody MS or in chat with you, I'm only posting my point of view which based on the fact that i can see things here better than many other who arent in my position or in ME.

Within this, i do not need to insult you or your believes and i would expect the same from you.

Just do not take it personal. [/FONT]

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side topic : what the fuck is wrong with iran. its the typical response of a middle eastern nation over the last few years that has shown its head twice over petty shit this week. 1. they are bitching that the movie 300 is and i quote "plundering Iran's historic past and insulting this civilization". are you kidding me? for what? basing a story on a factual historical event and creating a fictional dialogue within it? get over it. and the US govt had nothing to do with a private firm producing a movie based on a script written about an event. plz, STFU. 2. iran getting angry because a russian firm is slow to "give" them parts for thier reactors since iran didnt pay. since when do people have to give things to them? is this new news? pay and get it. it isnt your divine right to be given anything. just liek gaza, ppl dont have to give gaza a penny if they continue to elect groups who are continually provoking war with others. stop electing them, and ppl will give you money, they are not entitled to anything past the tax revenues collected. so piss off with the demanding of the foreign aid. you cant demand anything, if so, imma sue japan for not giving me a dozen hot asian virgins.

/end minor disjointed venting.

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Dzone, whilst I appreciate some of the positions Egypt has faced with regards to its own fundamentalists, to blame everything on US/UK/Israel is absolute BS.

I have started another thread here where I will continue to post articles about the actions of the followers of the religion of peace in areas where the above countries have no involvement.

To blame everything on western values/zionism/Bushism is nonsense, an excuse that certainly doesn't wash.

Maybe we should stop this hijack of this thread and continue it over [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38684"]here[/URL] .

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I can't believe that someone is actually arguing that Muslims are all about join us or we'll kill you!

You should really mind what your saying! For the sake of others... There was a guy simmilar to you about 60 years ago only he said some shit about the Jewish people...

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sadly, dave is right to a degree, and im officially playing advocate from here on out.

the fundi folk do seem to have this idea of the "destiny of islam" to dominate and rule. while the 99% of normal people understand this is an unattainable goal, and frankly, fictional, (yes, all and every religion is fiction to illustrate moral ideas of someone in power). it isnt all about the US and isreal, no matter how much you want to say it is, our involvement comes down to attmepts at peace, security and stability, not colonization and ruling with the iron fist. just look around, stop taking a stand and put yourself outside the situation. there have been un provoked attacks by fundis in countries all around the globe. sudan, somalia, pakistan, india, china, and a multitude more, are all prime examples of regions resisting the "destiny" of the religoin and are paying the price. we are just scapegoats because we have enough power and money to exert influence. what were the bali bombings about? kashimir? kosovo? etc etc. it isnt just the US, but the problem is internal within the middle eastern society. and frankly, the region better shape up in regards to the public ideas within, cuz if another 911 happens, and we have ppl dancing in the streets over 3300 deaths, i would hope a big fucking bomb drops on whatever host nation it is this time.

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and shpira. look. in most of the middle east, it is about "join up or die". are you aware that a non muslim is not allowed within 50 KM of mecca? wtf is about ? maybe its time for the christians to rise up and boot the muslims out of jerusalem, hey, we were there first and our religion is the right one. (sarcasm). of course you cant, but in the region, that is how they do it. think about the apostate rule in effect throughout the region, the rules regarding defacing the name of a pedopihle prophet. to think, they openly admit he took his own child as a wife, but if you mention it, you die. look at the laws thorughout the place. they make it nearly impossible to exist as a non muslim. its up tot he people to change the outsiders viewpoint. and no one is acting within the region(disregarding egypt)

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yeah but there ARE Muslims who function perfectly well in a western society and don't go around throwing stones and marrying kids...to say ALL Muslims are BAD is in the least stupid! I probably have the same right to hate all Muslims as does dave...my country has practically been at war with Muslims for like 20 years and still in a way is...it was under Turkish rule for 500 years....so on...I even remember my late grandma saying beware of the Mujahedin...but I'm still not prejudiced. p.s. im gonne for a nap

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[quote=Shpira;460515]I can't believe that someone is actually arguing that Muslims are all about join us or we'll kill you!

You should really mind what your saying! For the sake of others... There was a guy simmilar to you about 60 years ago only he said some shit about the Jewish people...[/quote]

I think if you actually read my post you would see that I am talking about fundamentalist Muslims. i certainly don't believe all Muslims are fundamentalists, but I do believe that Muslims have allowed their fundamentalists to basterdise their religion which has led us to the situation we see to - namely people being killed EVERYDAY for not accepting the ideology of these fundamentalists.

By all means attack me, but FFS read what I'm saying first. :roll: :roll: :roll:

BTW have you researched the connection between a certain Muslim fundamentalist and Hitler - you should it will open your eyes; lets also not forget that one of the biggest selling books in some Arab countries is Mien Kampf - i wonder why? Maybe the connection between Islamism and Nazism should be addressed here!

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[quote=Shpira;460533] I probably have the same right to hate all Muslims as does dave...[/quote]

I don't hate all Muslims - what I hate is the ideology and actions of Muslim Fundamentalists.

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well Aryans originally come from Iran...thats the connection. As for reading All of your posts...maybe you should change your title to fundamentalists strike again rather than religion of "peace"...even Christianity had its crusades which were much worse so ease up on the hate.

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[quote=thesightless;460524]and shpira. look. in most of the middle east, it is about "join up or die". are you aware that a non muslim is not allowed within 50 KM of mecca? wtf is about ? maybe its time for the christians to rise up and boot the muslims out of jerusalem, hey, we were there first and our religion is the right one. (sarcasm). of course you cant, but in the region, that is how they do it. think about the apostate rule in effect throughout the region, the rules regarding defacing the name of a pedopihle prophet. to think, they openly admit he took his own child as a wife, but if you mention it, you die. look at the laws thorughout the place. they make it nearly impossible to exist as a non muslim. its up tot he people to change the outsiders viewpoint. and no one is acting within the region(disregarding egypt)[/quote]

Its a silly tradition...there are monastery's in my country where Muslims are not allowed and in one case legend has it that if a Muslim enters without the priests blessing he will die immediatly...so their prophet was a pedo who married his daughter...aren't you forgetting that he is a PROPHET and that Marry gave birth to Jesus as a virgin! Its all a bunch of silly shit that people take too seriously and do stupid shit...there are fuck ups period, if they choose to fuck up in the name of a specific religion its not the religion to blame but the individual...do you blame football teams for having hooligan supporters its not their fault that there are psycho's out there who wanna stab and kill one another for no good reason.

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[quote=thesightless;460524]and shpira. look. in most of the middle east, it is about "join up or die". are you aware that a non muslim is not allowed within 50 KM of mecca? wtf is about ? maybe its time for the christians to rise up and boot the muslims out of jerusalem, hey, we were there first and our religion is the right one. (sarcasm). of course you cant, but in the region, that is how they do it. think about the apostate rule in effect throughout the region, the rules regarding defacing the name of a pedopihle prophet. to think, they openly admit he took his own child as a wife, but if you mention it, you die. look at the laws thorughout the place. they make it nearly impossible to exist as a non muslim. its up tot he people to change the outsiders viewpoint. and no one is acting within the region(disregarding egypt)[/quote]

Sorry man, I am a muslim and i know my religon...can i ask you from where did you get this quote "they openly admit he took his own child as a wife" !!!

That never happned and belive me i know what i am talking about ... our Prophet never took his own child as wife....this is true lies.

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Married his own child :) , man seriously I think your god's gift to this forum. keep um coming.

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[quote=Bululu;460922]Married his own child ..[/quote]

was she hot?

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[quote=Dzone;460760]this is true lies.[/quote]

no, this is true lies.

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[quote=Dzone;460760]our Prophet never took his own child as wife....this is true lies.[/quote]

He did however take a child bride - wasn't Aisha 6 years old when Muhammed married her and 9 years old when he consummated the marriage?

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whatever,, whoops, i made a mistake about a religion. i dont care about any religions as it stands, so here : Jesus and moses were pedophiles as well. no religion is real, they are all fictional stories.

still doesnt deny the fact that bululu has disregarded facts left and right to state a worthless retarded opinion resulting from his case of D.O.M.

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I tried to show how retarded can you be sometimes, Mr. Encyclopdia.

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[quote=Bululu;461055]I tried to show how retarded can you be sometimes, Mr. Encyclopdia.[/quote]

^ :lol: that's great!

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[quote=Bululu;461055]I tried to show how retarded can you be sometimes, Mr. Encyclopdia.[/quote]

you should change your nick to Mr. Encyclopedia....LOL!!!

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i dont know whether to take that as a compliment? at least i present facts, so go back to where you are from and go kill some people who dont agree with your peaceful religion, that goes buck fucking wild every time someone questions it./

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sry kinster, you know enough, but someitmes ya just gotta fuck with someone who has it coming.

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Hey dude, you don't have to say sorry: I'm on the same line as you are on this one.

Come to think of it, maybe we should've send a fundi to the game. Unlike you they DO get their shitty signs in the media :p ;) :D

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You know it all Mr. thats what I said , seeing thoes pictures made me think and know that I was wrong and my religion is and was wrong , Thank you again Mr.Encyclo , I don't know what I would have done with out you? Sure I would be still supporting thoes terrorists.

PS:how much stupider can you get lets see if tonight you can beat your highest score?

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oh, im fucking Neo when i wanna be, so rip the hijab off mommy dearest and ask her where she went wrong in teaching youhow to grasp reality.

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You are at 3 tonight and counting. I have an advice for you, get out of the United States , travel and spend some money wisley , meet some people outside of the US , and one day we might have a proper talk me and you , again its a true advice, until then you can suck my dick kido.

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Fucking hell guys...why don't you both convert to Buddhism??? It would certainly make the world a better place!

And you Kinky...stop fireing them up well have another Jihad/Crusade on MS to worry about!

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[quote=Bululu;461210]You know it all Mr. thats what I said , seeing thoes pictures made me think and know that I was wrong and my religion is and was wrong , Thank you again Mr.Encyclo , I don't know what I would have done with out you? Sure I would be still supporting thoes terrorists.

PS:how much stupider can you get lets see if tonight you can beat your highest score?[/quote]

you should not have had to look at those pictures to figure it out.

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[quote=davetlv;460959]He did however take a child bride - wasn't Aisha 6 years old when Muhammed married her and 9 years old when he consummated the marriage?[/quote]

Nah this is bollox, she was a 16 maybe i do not know the age...but she was not a kid at thier time ..if you know what i mean.

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[quote=thesightless;461168]i dont know whether to take that as a compliment? at least i present facts, so go back to where you are from and go kill some people who dont agree with your peaceful religion, that goes buck fucking wild every time someone questions it./

sry kinster, you know enough, but someitmes ya just gotta fuck with someone who has it coming.[/quote]

[FONT=Times New Roman]We all know that we have fundi Muslims, however you do have them as well ..but they are much smarter and all suited up and have allot of power and gov jobs ;)

Is not the USA the biggest Conservative Christian country in the world ? Is not Israel a country that was created based on Religion ?

So, 3 religions have Fundi's within, they only have a different looks, also some are much smarter than the others. [/FONT]

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[quote=Dzone;461362]Nah this is bollox, she was a 16 maybe i do not know the age...but she was not a kid at thier time ..if you know what i mean.[/quote]

Forgive me Dzone - is this not correct? [quote] [I][I][URL="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.234"] Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Book 58: [/URL] [/I][/I][I]234 - Narrated Aisha: [/I] [I] The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.[/I] [/quote]

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Your source is very reliable , University of South Carolina , your are fucking TWAT.

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[quote=davetlv;461386]Forgive me Dzone - is this not correct?[/quote]

[FONT=Times New Roman]Dave....This is simply not correct any one in Uni can say any thing he want to say, it's up for you to believe it.

I am a Muslim and i know my religion and simply telling you this is not correct, again this is up 2 you to believe it or not. [/FONT]