I just read in Newsweek that the US has now been in Iraq for longer than it was in World War II - isn't that an amazing fact!

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Not really that amazing tbh. Can't even compare the two.

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And they still did not learn any thing !! Amazing

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^ explain

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[quote=Dzone;458460]And they still did not learn any thing !! Amazing[/quote]

oh no, you are completely wrong there. we learned that when fighting a war, you cant obey every little bitch law from the international courts on warfare. think about that, rules of warfare. oxymoron to the N'th degree. if we abandoned these retarded rules we have to follow (torture, civilian treatment, martial law, detainment, and many many more). we could have the war wrapped up. and if the world at large had a pair of balls, they would have found OBL a long time ago. but dont think the preceding sentence means that gitmo is a solution it isnt, we should not hold those people, we should have shot them dead when they were shooting at us and avoided the whole situation. go find bin laden's extended family, grab all the women and kids, kill half and tell OBL he can end it now. same for the taleban and iraqi insurgents.

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Why did you go there in the first place ?? who asked you to do that ??? and what human rights respect are you talking about :roll: :roll: ??? by the way a big part of the Ben Laden's familly is here in Geneva , and trust me seeing the way they spend there money with out counting Osama will be happy if someone gets rid of them, his niece is actually a very cute, slutty 20 year old babe.

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it'll be an amazing fact if we're there longer then Vietnam...

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do we not have a military presence (large or small) in many, MANY countries across the world?

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[quote=thesightless;458507]oh no, you are completely wrong there. we learned that when fighting a war, you cant obey every little bitch law from the international courts on warfare. think about that, rules of warfare. oxymoron to the N'th degree. if we abandoned these retarded rules we have to follow (torture, civilian treatment, martial law, detainment, and many many more). we could have the war wrapped up. and if the world at large had a pair of balls, they would have found OBL a long time ago. but dont think the preceding sentence means that gitmo is a solution it isnt, we should not hold those people, we should have shot them dead when they were shooting at us and avoided the whole situation. go find bin laden's extended family, grab all the women and kids, kill half and tell OBL he can end it now. same for the taleban and iraqi insurgents.[/quote]

:roll: hmmm, most of those "bitch" laws were layed down by us... after WWII itself :|

As for OBL's extended family, didn't we fly a bunch of them out of the country after 9/11? :oops:

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We can be out of Iraq really quickly too if we just drop a nuclear bomb on them like we did Japan.

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[quote=thesightless;458507] you cant obey every little bitch law from the international courts on warfare. [/quote]

Agreed, especially when those you are fighting don't give a flying f*ck international conventions of warfare, whilst your hands are tied by said same conventions. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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[quote=Kobe;458641]:roll: hmmm, most of those "bitch" laws were layed down by us... after WWII itself :|

As for OBL's extended family, didn't we fly a bunch of them out of the country after 9/11? :oops:[/quote]

yup we did, but i didnt do it, so dont throw it at me, i would have killed them all and made sure that al jazerra had it in high def.

stop being pussies people. like when hezzbollah did what they did last year, and everyone said isreal was wrong... no they werent, if i kidnapped you family and bombed your neighborhood, i hope you wouldnt say "oh shit, it wasnt officially a declared war action so we cant react.

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[quote=thesightless;458507]oh no, you are completely wrong there. we learned that when fighting a war, you cant obey every little bitch law from the international courts on warfare. think about that, rules of warfare. oxymoron to the N'th degree. if we abandoned these retarded rules we have to follow (torture, civilian treatment, martial law, detainment, and many many more). we could have the war wrapped up. and if the world at large had a pair of balls, they would have found OBL a long time ago. but dont think the preceding sentence means that gitmo is a solution it isnt, we should not hold those people, we should have shot them dead when they were shooting at us and avoided the whole situation. go find bin laden's extended family, grab all the women and kids, kill half and tell OBL he can end it now. same for the taleban and iraqi insurgents.[/quote]

It's obvoius that America and Israel are selective in the laws that they enforce when it comes to combat and 'deniable' operations. It's fair enough, if i was in the firing line then the rule book would go out the window! However.

America is the most well equiped and technologically advanced army in the world, they are also considered to be the worlds only superpower.

WITH GREAT POWER COMEs GREAT RESPONSIBLITY.

The USA has a responsibity to ensure that they fight fairly and honestly, they are a role model for the rest of the world. As such they must show us the way forward. If you don't then you are as bad as the enemy, human life means little to some races and relgion, they see death as an escape from the poverty and hell they experience every single day.

So if you believe that the law doesn't apply to you, then you should torture the men, rape the women and kill the children. Spread the fear, wipe out villages raise the houses to ground and posion the wells. It worked well in Vietnam, should work as well in Iraq.

Is this what you want? Or do you really want to help, to achive your aim of spreading peace and demoracy whilst removing murderous tyrants? Or do you wish to become as bad as Saddam or Idi Amin?

If the USA wanted to capture OBL then they would have done it by now, not just let his rich family fly off and moan about it later.

The rules are there show integrity, to show that you can murder people fairly and justly on the battlefield. Without these rules then your as bad as the uneducated, indoctorined rabble that you fight against.

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Spot on Morgan. The key to successfully fighting our enemy is to not become them in the process. Remember, we're supposed to be THE GOOD GUYS. It's very troubleing that an all-time low of the world community sees us that way.

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wow, you two better never become the leaders of any middle eastern or african nations. cuz the maps would have to be changed.

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You should never be the leader of [I]this[/I] country :p

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i know that, because i would force a real united nations upon this planet. force everyone to get together and ensure some fucking peace and stability for the long term, not like te liberal way of "if i dont see it on my front step, it isnt really there.

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Yeah, it would be your way-- if you little fuckers don't act peaceful we'll declare war and slaughter every last one of ya!!

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you see a roach in your house, you go find the nest. sadly, humans are just another species, one that does more damage than any other.

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[quote=thesightless;458507]oh no, you are completely wrong there. we learned that when fighting a war, you cant obey every little bitch law from the international courts on warfare. think about that, rules of warfare. oxymoron to the N'th degree. if we abandoned these retarded rules we have to follow (torture, civilian treatment, martial law, detainment, and many many more). we could have the war wrapped up. and if the world at large had a pair of balls, they would have found OBL a long time ago. but dont think the preceding sentence means that gitmo is a solution it isnt, we should not hold those people, we should have shot them dead when they were shooting at us and avoided the whole situation. go find bin laden's extended family, grab all the women and kids, kill half and tell OBL he can end it now. same for the taleban and iraqi insurgents.[/quote]

Who said that you are tied up with Rules !! You watch alot of TV and you prop belive what all the Bush admcunts say. i have a freind that work as Reporter in Iraq for 2 years then she's in Gaza now...and both USA & Israil do not play by the rules, also who asked you 2 be there in the 1st place ..ummm let me guess Oil !! Alot of ppl around the world would just like to Nuck the Fuck out of USA...maybe the world would be abetter place.... so keep in your meind as much as you hate them they hate you more...but they have a stronger belive than you have and they do not give a fuck about thier lifes...so who's the pussy !!

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^ i feel a bit more retarded after reading that post

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[quote=Dzone;459248] i have a freind that work as Reporter in Iraq for 2 years then she's in Gaza now...and both USA & Israil do not play by the rules, [/quote]

Thanks Dzone you've given me the best laugh I have had in weeks.

Your brethren play out side the norms and conventions of warfare and then you attack us for not playing by the rules. This is too fucking funny, it really is.

Terror organisations acting on behalf of the arab people have continuously disregarded the rule book. The murder of children, the child abuse of using your own children as weapons, the murder of disabled people, the blowing up of cars, cafes, hotels, nightclubs, pubs, shopping centres. You have taken a genuine political issue and instead of fighting with politics you have chosen to take your fight out on civilians, be they Americans, Israelis, British, Spanish, Australian, Sudanese or anyone else whoo will not capitulate to the demands laid down by a 7th Century paedophile and his followers, and you have the chutzpah to say we don't play by the rules.

Start taking responsibility for your actions for a change instead of blaming everyone else.

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[quote=davetlv;459323]Thanks Dzone you've given me the best laugh I have had in weeks.

Your brethren play out side the norms and conventions of warfare and then you attack us for not playing by the rules. This is too fucking funny, it really is.

Start taking responsibility for your actions for a change instead of blaming everyone else.[/quote]

couldnt have said it better myself.

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You are out of Iraq pretty soon , thanks to the real Iraqi people who give even their lives to get you out of there, thats all what I can say.

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[quote=davetlv;459323]Thanks Dzone you've given me the best laugh I have had in weeks.

Your brethren play out side the norms and conventions of warfare and then you attack us for not playing by the rules. This is too fucking funny, it really is.

Terror organisations acting on behalf of the arab people have continuously disregarded the rule book. The murder of children, the child abuse of using your own children as weapons, the murder of disabled people, the blowing up of cars, cafes, hotels, nightclubs, pubs, shopping centres. You have taken a genuine political issue and instead of fighting with politics you have chosen to take your fight out on civilians, be they Americans, Israelis, British, Spanish, Australian, Sudanese or anyone else whoo will not capitulate to the demands laid down by a 7th Century paedophile and his followers, and you have the chutzpah to say we don't play by the rules.

Start taking responsibility for your actions for a change instead of blaming everyone else.[/quote]

[FONT=Times New Roman]Dave I am not with the blowing up of cars, cafes, hotels, nightclubs, pubs, shopping centres....etc. also I'm not with Israel's blowing up buildings and killing civilians. to get out of the civil thing..what's your say about the most recent documentary show's by the Israel TV about you guys killing Egyptian prisoners of war during our past war (67 &73) !!! Now, i was going back to the USA, they are only in Iraq cos of their interest in Oil and become the Police man of the ME to secure the Oil, stabilize the prices which in return will stabilize the American economy. So basically they are serving their own interest, not bloody liberating Iraq, and if they think this will be over no way...ppl will fight them a generation after another...it dose not matter how many ppl are killed....coz in the end they have some thing to belive and this belive is much stronger than all the USA weapons.

Again, I'm not asking you to agree with me or even accept this as another POV, I'm only educating you regarding something that you properly do not and will not understand. [/FONT]

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[quote=Dzone;459549][FONT=Times New Roman]what's your say about the most recent documentary show's by the Israel TV about you guys killing Egyptian prisoners of war during our past war (67 &73) !!! [/FONT][/quote][FONT=Times New Roman]

[FONT=Arial]The 73 you added without any evidence whatsoever whilst there is some argument who, if anyone, was killed in the Sinai peninsula in 67. The claim that 250 Egyptian soldiers were murdered in cold blood can not be verified. Israel maintains they were not Egyptian soldiers but terrorists - I guess the differentiation here is whether they were in uniform or not. We claim that those who were killed were members of the PLO as opposed to members of another country's army.

[/FONT][/FONT][quote=Dzone;459549][FONT=Times New Roman] Now, i was going back to the USA, they are only in Iraq cos of their interest in Oil and become the Police man of the ME to secure the Oil, stabilize the prices which in return will stabilize the American economy. So basically they are serving their own interest, not bloody liberating Iraq, and if they think this will be over no way...ppl will fight them a generation after another...it dose not matter how many ppl are killed....coz in the end they have some thing to belive and this belive is much stronger than all the USA weapons.

Again, I'm not asking you to agree with me or even accept this as another POV, I'm only educating you regarding something that you properly do not and will not understand. [/FONT][/quote]

I remember reading in some previous thread here about how much oil the US actually gets from the ME. Maybe someone can find that post and put you right on a few points.

Aren't the majority of deaths happening in Iraq today done by the infighting amongst Muslim sects? Isn't the problem Muslim killing Muslim as opposed to the allied forces killing civilians? I wonder Dzone where you get your information from?

Also lets not forget how many attacks have been carried out by the so-called religion of peace since 9/11 in countries where there is no American involvement; Buddhists in Thailand for example - how many have been beheaded since 9/11? That's really got something to did with the USA hasn't it :roll: :roll: :roll:

Like i said earlier:

[SIZE=3][COLOR=Red] Start taking responsibility for your actions for a change instead of blaming everyone else. [/COLOR][/SIZE]

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[quote=Dzone;459549][FONT=Times New Roman] I'm only educating you [/FONT][/quote]

:roflmao:

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Your country the US, and Iran are the only countries benifiting from whats happening in Iraq , you have one less enemy in the region busy with civil war , and US are pumping oil for free, but let's not forget Iran is still there. let's see what is goign to happen in the coming year or so , things will get more intresting I am sure.

PS: don't show your ignorance , all normal muslims condem terrorist acts in philippines, Indonesia, Thailand when its not related to the real Islamic cause , but when acts against your army or the US army than I can guarantee to you that every single muslim on this planet is with it 100%. And you should be the last religion to try to destroy Islam's image , at least from what I know from histroy Islam or Muslims weren't always hated by the people and countries they used to live in.

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[quote=Bululu;459630] PS: don't show your ignorance , all normal muslims condem terrorist acts in philippines, Indonesia, Thailand when its not related to the real Islamic cause , [/quote]

now who's showing ignorance - the real Islamic cause, as you so quaintly put it, as propagated by those who commit these vile acts of brutality - namely jihad. Whilst it might not be your cup of Bulululululululu its the direction you and your brethren have allowed to happen caused to your inability to stand up to your own fundamentalists.

[quote=Bululu;459630]but when acts against your army or the US army than I can guarantee to you that every single muslim on this planet is with it 100%. [/quote]

Bullshit, that sir is one guarantee you can not make, The web is full of Arab and Muslims who do not agree with the acts of aggression coming out of some of your countries.

[quote=Bululu;459630]And you should be the last religion to try to destroy Islam's image , at least from what I know from histroy Islam or Muslims weren't always hated by the people and countries they used to live in.[/quote]

I'm not trying to destroy Islam's image - your own fundamentalists are doing a good enough job by themselves with out my help.

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The web is full of Arab muslims :) , to your info Muslims are 1 billion and counting , and I guarantee you that 90% don't have interent so you sir can read what they think , and I am in a better position to tell if muslims are with or against these acts , I guess I know more than you about this religion.

Your occupying country is the first country benifiting from all whats happening in that region , Intra - Palestinian fighting, Lebanesse Political situation, Iraqi civil war , and now Iran. But I am sure that Iran will be a hard target for you to get, this is why I said in my previous post that the coming months are going to be interesting. Let's see if your country dares to hit Iran .

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ok, so the US screwed up with Iraq. Probably wasn't a good idea to go in there the way they did. And of course it was a highly self serving action. I think it's safe to put that out there and admit it. but separately from this issue...

it's also true that modern day Islamic societies have some serious issues ingrained deeply within their cultures related to violent extremism, which they seem to promote. and these issues will continue to harvest extremely negative consequences for then and the rest of the world.

let's be honest and admit that as well. I oftentimes think that [I]some[/I] of us on here prefer to ignore this in favor of just bashing the US.

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[quote=Bululu;459630]Your country the US, and Iran are the only countries benifiting from whats happening in Iraq , you have one less enemy in the region busy with civil war , [B][U]and US are pumping oil for free[/U][/B], but let's not forget Iran is still there. let's see what is goign to happen in the coming year or so , things will get more intresting I am sure.

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how dumb are you? seriously, how far gone?

this is the basis for every arguement you have on this board. NO ONE PUMPS OIL FOR FREE. in fact, everyone pays the same on the open market on a day by day basis. the only countries that dont pay for oil on the open market are kuwait, venezuala, and saudi arabia. they own thier own processing plants, pumps, rigs, and associated materials. every other country, goes to a commodeities market where oil processing companies sell it. oil processing companies are hired by either the host country or the landowner. where the hell are we pumping oil for free?

its a shame i took you off my ignore list. you cannot possibly be this thick to ignore such huge facts such as oil being a traded commodity. please stay out. nothing you say has any current real world data viable to the arguements.

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Fuck off . I ve been trying to avoid talking to you since many months , your igonrant list you can sick it up your ass. If I'll argue again with you about what I mean by FREE , we're not goign to end up, just avoid answering my posts.

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eat my hairy italian asshole. last time we brought out the fact that you dont know the facts behind your asinine opinions you stopped posting too. so answer the fucking question if your gonna open your mouth. how and who are pumping free oil and how, outside of market demand does the US control oil, considering that we only have 2 domestic firms that compete globally as oil retialers. next you will be telilng me halliburton is the reason that africa has an AIDS epidemic. if you hate america so much, maybe hanging around a forum run and populated by americans is not the best option? whaddya think? time to go hit the [URL="http://www.liberalpussiesfromapenalcolony.com"]www.liberalpussiesfromapenalcolony.com[/URL] forums.

btw werent you the one who said hezzbollah did nothing wrong last summer and isreal should be destroyed? where the hell is corporal gilat now?

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[quote=Bululu;459713]The web is full of Arab muslims :) , to your info Muslims are 1 billion and counting , and I guarantee you that 90% don't have interent so you sir can read what they think , and I am in a better position to tell if muslims are with or against these acts , I guess I know more than you about this religion.[/quote]

You're right bulululululululu Muslims are 1 billion plus - i wonder how that happened. Oh hang on, I know, occupation, war and murder.

Islam is growing religion based on the ideology of join us or we kill you. Some religion of peace you have there mate.

Your comments are true about 90% don't have interent is, your fucking religious leaders and political dictators wouldn't want real information getting to the followers of your death cult now would they!

By restricting access to information means that muslims will believe what ever their fanatical Imams tell them - what a route to creating more mass murders.

[quote=Bululu;459713] Your occupying country is the first country benifiting from all whats happening in that region , Intra - Palestinian fighting, Lebanesse Political situation, Iraqi civil war , and now Iran. But I am sure that Iran will be a hard target for you to get, this is why I said in my previous post that the coming months are going to be interesting. Let's see if your country dares to hit Iran .[/quote]

My occupying country. Really. Spoken like a true follower of the death cult.

For your information twat my country existed long before your sacred prophet took a child to be his wife.

Open your eyes moron. People are being murdered on daily basis in the name of your so called religion of peace whilst you infect the western world with your sick values.

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Oh he are the allies uniting again . The sightless , don't start crying like a bitch so the whole forum would stand on your side , I used to argue with you on a basis of one to one , so don't try to implicate other people from the forum to turn against me , thats how bitches act, the forum is not yours.

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what the fuck are you going on about now?

from the US stealing iraqi oil for free to me getting the board against you. all i said was you never have any factual basis for your side that cant be used against your arguement. well good, NEWS TEAM ASSEMBLE, we have a mission. to shoot down this jackass's mindless ranting on how the jews and US are out to ruin the world only after killing the muslims to the very end. (someone tell the few million muslims worshipping freely here to run before the US realizes that we indeed to have a muslim population.)

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[quote=Bululu;460075]Oh he are the allies uniting again . The sightless , don't start crying like a bitch so the whole forum would stand on your side , I used to argue with you on a basis of one to one , so don't try to implicate other people from the forum to turn against me , thats how bitches act, the forum is not yours.[/quote]

Whilst I might like Sean I certainly don't agree with everything he says.

You however say nothing of worth. All you do is blame everyone but the followers of your death cult for the mess you are in.

Your paedophile prophet and your mass murdering Imams are to blame for the hatred many people have towards your ilk.

I wonder how many followers of your death cult there would be if people were not threatened with murder unless they convert to religion of piss? :roll: :roll: :roll:

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[quote=davetlv;460088]Whilst I might like Sean I certainly don't agree with everything he says.

:roll: :roll: :roll:[/quote]

SAME HERE, for me, i dont even remotely share your distaste with a relgion as a whole, hell i was in a serious relaitonship with a muslim girl, i realize its a grouping of vocal assholes ruining the place. simply because no one there ever learned that they can stand up for themselves. look at egypt's bloggers, irans women, and more. maybe it is more of a societal idea that no one has the gall to stand up against ppl like the taleban, but when you let them speak for you, it does fall on your shoulders.

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For once I agree with you sightless and we (the Serbs) had every right to ethnically cleans the land that belongs to us as did the Bosnians, Croats and the Albanians so why the fuck did the US and the UN have to get involved lets return to anarchy and slaughter all enemies!!! Oh...how I wish i was born 500-600 years ago...I could be bathing in human blood and raping virgins!!! p.s. I am just joking...well at least about raping and ethnic cleansing... I do understand that there can be no rules to war...but how would you justify conflicts to you population???