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Illinois State Lawmakers Look to Help Obama

46 durable postsStarted 2007-01-10Latest 2007-01-11
#787327Post 41 of 46

Re: Illinois State Lawmakers Look to Help Obama

[QUOTE=rubyraks;432338]The electoral system further strengthens the two-party system as is and that bothers me as well. Interesting how he makes no mention whatsoever of that fact.[/QUOTE]

That was the point I was trying to make, at least obliquely, that started this whole discussion, and I have yet to hear anyone refute it. Will dropping the electoral college do away with the 2 party system? Of course not -- but the use of the electoral college pushes us towards a two party system. Even if a third party were to become a serious player, one of the other parties would eventually go away and we'd be back to two -- that's the way it has happened throughout history, anyway...

#787370Post 42 of 46

Re: Illinois State Lawmakers Look to Help Obama

[quote=toasty;432350]That was the point I was trying to make, at least obliquely, that started this whole discussion, and I have yet to hear anyone refute it. Will dropping the electoral college do away with the 2 party system? Of course not -- but the use of the electoral college pushes us towards a two party system. Even if a third party were to become a serious player, one of the other parties would eventually go away and we'd be back to two -- that's the way it has happened throughout history, anyway...[/quote]

Dropping the electoral college would turn the 2 party system into a 1 party system. Candidates would no longer focus campaign efforts anywhere but in major cities.... Los Angeles, San Fran, New York, and a few others. The rest of the country would be largely neglected.

We see this happen in a smaller scale with Primaries. For example, I grew up in Washington DC. The population inside the city limits of Wshington DC is primarily poor and black. Therefore, any elections which take place in Washington DC will always end with a democrat winner. So... if a republican never has a chance of winning in Washington, then the only way I can ever have a say in the political process is if I register as a democrat. At least that way I can vote in the democrat primary, and have a say in which candidate doesn't represent me the worst. The result is that you basically have 1 party.

The electoral college still gives high population areas greater weight. California and New York still have more votes than South Carolina. But with the college, a candidate cannot choose to simply neglect people living in the 45 smaller states.

#787388Post 43 of 46

Re: Illinois State Lawmakers Look to Help Obama

^OK, but don't you think that the electoral college has the effect of entrenching the 2 party system? Can you envision a scenario where you have more than 2 parties that have a serious shot of winning under the current system? IMO the EC makes everyone gravitate towards the two major parties.

#787405Post 44 of 46

Re: Illinois State Lawmakers Look to Help Obama

^I don't think so. Most people don't have the faintest clue what the electoral college is and they certainly don't have it in the back of there minds when pulling the lever on the voting machine.

#787438Post 45 of 46

Re: Illinois State Lawmakers Look to Help Obama

[QUOTE=Lorn;432432]^I don't think so. Most people don't have the faintest clue what the electoral college is and they certainly don't have it in the back of there minds when pulling the lever on the voting machine.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree, but I don't think it matters if voters know why they are doing what they are doing. The point is that the electoral college favors a two party system and, as a result, those two parties get all the press and attention. For your voters that don't do any independent thinking, their political body of information is limited by what they see in the press, and then they vote for a democrat or a republican, and the cycle perpetuates itself.

Vicious circle, it is. The press covers the two major parties because they're the only ones that have a chance to win. And because they are the only ones getting any press, the two major parties will almost invariably win every election.

#787443Post 46 of 46

Re: Illinois State Lawmakers Look to Help Obama

I see and understand your viewpoint. I'm still not sold on the idea of eliminating the EC though.

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