ok, i types up this before but i wasnt logged in for some reason and lost it. so im summizing in quickly.

we are now looking to the future elections. and with a dead horse we can move on... but to what.. we currently have a leadership group who has actually had some decent ideas and had gov't working as one early on, only to completly fuck it up at every step through inept execution and using even worse people like rumsfeld.

and if you are like me and can laugh at stupidity and take a sarcastic view on things then you know we are fucked either way... think about it. look at the candidates we have and the current situation...

imma break off the big candidate for each party. then move on...

hillary... satan reincarnate.. and laughable cunt. think about the fact that this bitch has been so desparate to have her annoying voice heard on in the american political arena that she has stuck by a man who cheated on her at least 5 times that we know of, then moved across the country to find a vacant democratic spot, spent her term campaigning for the national nimination and hasnt done anything for NY..... is this for real? she is a convicted criminal who ripped off people for a few million. and then got a pardon from a political ally. HAHAHAH COMON> you cant make this shiit up. as immigrants say... only in america.

McCain... the other guy. firstly imma say this before i trash him. and it goes to those new school asshats who booed him last week. shut the fuck up you morons. this man spent more time in a prison camp that doesnt follow the geneva laws you people quote when talking about the current situations in cuba and the middle east than it took for you to earn your little phyilosophy/sociology/theater degree that will only garner a job a starbucks. he has done more this country than any of you ever will. if you differ opinoins, then do just that, but show this guy the respect every citizen of this country owes him. sry, but i needed to say that. now to trash his politcal views. we have a dead horse party... yes we do. the republicans are comparable to a wounded seal in a shark tank. and this guy is getting more attention by the day,.. but does anyone realize he wants to send in more troops to iraq, he is right that we should have done it to begin with, but wtf? can we get done with the middle east plz? we are gonna revive the multi party system by allowign him to drag even more ppl to a hopeless area? lord no.

now on to the others.... the longshots, the laughables. i have 3 democrats and one republican... i only know of one repiublican so i f you know another tell me. i dont wanna sound like im focusing on them..

al gore.... howard dean was on the news the other day saying how gore might be in the ring....... ARE YOU KIDDING ME? this guy is quite literally the worlds biggest loser... hehe., he says he created the web.. this man will do anything to be president and i mean anything. if he could lock up the election by killing his wife and raping his daughter on prime time tv, he would. he is essentially a mindless robot with the charisma of a dead baby... it simply cant happen.

leiberman.. i like joe, he would be a good leader IMO. he is quiet though, and has pissed off his party because he uses common sense and stands firmly behind isreal, which is a monster no no in the democratic party recently. but he is a shlub. he is like the neighbor we all have who is really really smart, but lacks the social capacity to have a life. he did a decent job behind asshole last time. he might even have more enemies in his own party than in the republicans.

guiliani.... who knows with him. ill vouch for his record as he did a great job in NY. he lowered crime, held the labor unions in check, and got the city moving again in the 90's after years of decline... and he lead us in the terrible events. but...... he is more libertarian than republican... and he has pissed off everyone throughout the years by trying to cut the BS... his chances are slim since he doesnt have much of a record on the national scale. and he is over forceful a lot....also, not many skeletons in his closet... this in the one guy in this post who might be a decent guy, and i cant really find tons of shit to trash him, simply because he focused on his job and hasnt campaigned... give it time. he will fuck up..

now... on to the one man i hate more than anyone. the douchbag who has garnered the most ire from anyone with a semblence of common sense and intellect and memory.

john kerry..... the guy who cant shut the fuck up. in the boat with people like pat robertson, mike moore, hillary, pelosi, the whiney people from palestine you hear, etcetcetc,,, he has contradicted himself almost on daily basis, he talks out of his ass more often then not, and just doesnt know how to clearly prove a point..in the past this schmuk has told us he never got botox when his face is on TV daily, he once told a group of anti gun people that all guns should and would be banned if he were president (which i stand with him for, but it is agasint our constitution) only to be filmed a few hours later duck hunting with shotgun in hand.... nothing like a line bullshit to sell yourself to idiots... then just 2 weeks ago came out this gem.......

he was at a restaurant called honest john's cafe in michigan... and was interviewed after a speech... he actually said that if he were president there would be no middle eastern conflict and he would have hezzbollah and hamas disarmed...wait, did i hear that correctly? i double checked, yep. soooooooooo, we have a guy who spent the last 5 years telling us that war is wrong, after telling us it was right, and being the most vocal anti war person in gov't. so logic would dictate that we ask this question. how would an anti war president who couldnt find his way out his basement if the lights were off, then how would he disarm two of the worlds biggest militant groups without violence and suddenly make centuries of deep rooted hatred in the world most fucked up region simply disappear?:Who: this guy is so beyond inept it isnt funny. i have never seen anyone contradict themselves as often as he does. and he wont shut up. i mean, he is sitll in office,, doesnt he realize he isnt gonna win, and furthermore doesnt he still have constituents to represent? or does the longshot of a possiblity that he might get the nod allow him to abandon his job? at least leiberman is still doing his job. john kerry's real life can be equated to a will ferrel movie.

look around folks, we are fucked. its time to go elsewhere. all of them with the exception of rudy G are responsible for where we are now...they are all part of the process that has made us a hated country. they are all part of the problem that bush has lead us into through political infighting and public trashings...

lets move on huh? cuz if this plays out like ti seems it is going to. it literally is going to be a laughable matter that is so beyond pathetic we should be ashamed and jsut move on.

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Sightless, on my flight to denver this past weekend, i picked up a copy of Esquire with John McCain on the cover to read while in flight. Enjoyed the read. The article is also posted online:

[URL="http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2006/060706_mfe_August_06_McCain_1.html"]http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2006/060706_mfe_August_06_McCain_1.html[/URL]

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yeah i read that. but i still think we need to run from iraq, and run quickly. either that or give one last giant offensive where we literally go house to house and find every gun, bomb, knife etc and IMPOSE law and order. you cant drive a car bomb into a crowd if you dont have the bomb.

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i loved this line.

[QUOTE][FONT=Verdana][SIZE=1][COLOR=#333333]about thirty graduating students and faculty of Manhattan's New School university, the sort of progressive institution that awards a master [B]of fine arts in lighting design[/B]. About two dozen more are holding up orange signs that read, MCCAIN: OUR COMMENCEMENT IS NOT YOUR PLATFORM[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]

fucking liberal arts schools. go get a real education and participate in the world. your dumb special degree only proves you have a passion with zero ability to grasp a real job.

but i guess it was ok for my graduation to be ruined by some asshole trashing the president. but at least we had the conviction to throw shit at thim. this guy, i forget his name got an honorary degree, and did about 2 minutes of good speaking then he decided to try and brainwash us into his ideas so he went on this tirade while everyone booed him until the provost got up told us to let him speak... so the graduating class opted to throw every water bottle, pin, hat we had on stage and someone got into a fisticuffs with the speaker afterwards. the NY dailies saw this and it was AWESOME> they had our graduation in the paper for a week talking about free speech and whether or not colleges should allow politcally motivated speeches. (they should not, someone will be pissed off).

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[QUOTE=Jenks]Sightless, on my flight to denver this past weekend, i picked up a copy of Esquire with John McCain on the cover to read while in flight. Enjoyed the read. The article is also posted online:

[URL="http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2006/060706_mfe_August_06_McCain_1.html"]http://www.esquire.com/features/articles/2006/060706_mfe_August_06_McCain_1.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

I read this on a flight to Cali a couple weeks ago, too. Esquire is good flight reading, evidently.

Good article, but sorta highlighted a problem McCain has right now. He's being torn between showcasing his centrist, do-what's-right-not-what's-politically-best persona that makes him such an appealing option and trying to solidify (or establish) support from the far right side of the Republican party, the people that get out to vote come hell or high water.

I really hope the guy sticks to his guns throughout this whole presidential run that has for all intents and purposes already begun. If he starts pandering to the religious right, he's going to lose the support of a lot of people that have been put off by the excessive intermingling of religion and politics in the past few years...

Dance with the one that brought you, ya know?

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[quote=thesightless]ok, i types up this before but i wasnt logged in for some reason and lost it. so im summizing in quickly. [/quote]

That was the short version? Wow.

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dude, he is going to win... i will personally ensure hillary doesnt win if i have to. let leiberman run for them, he is in reality thier best candidate if they were to acutally let this guy talk and give him some press. but no... think about the fact that the leader of the democratic party right is guy is who known for being hte guy screams alot. no one even know dean's views.

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[quote=threehills]That was the short version? Wow.[/quote]

yeah, it was a lot longer, and funnier. i lost my shit after i forgot to save it. so i was pissed and it lost a lot in the re-type

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[QUOTE=thesightless] now on to the others.... the longshots, the laughables. i have 3 democrats and one republican... i only know of one repiublican so i f you know another tell me. i dont wanna sound like im focusing on them..[/QUOTE]

Other republicans who might take a run at it:

Frist (per his own admission) Condi

Other democrats:

Edwards (per his own admission)

Kerry will never win the nomination. The guy lost to a guy who could go down as the worst president ever. No way do the democrats put their faith in him again.

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whoever pataki runs with.. Pataki will be Vice-President.. you'll see.

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[QUOTE=runningman]whoever pataki runs with.. Pataki will be Vice-President.. you'll see.[/QUOTE]

When I first read this, I was thinking Pataky for some reason -- as in Pataky Pal.

Thing is, he'd probably be as good at VP as anyone right now... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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The election is still a ways off...lots of time for everyone to sling lots of dung.

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McCain said he's not pulling out of Iraq....he's already lost my vote.

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McCain isn't a quitter, not running and leaving Iraq a mess. We started it, we need to leave the country more stable than it is now, and if that takes more troops to train their military and press insurgency, than so be it. Guess you'll be voting for the, and with your, skirt, Localizer.

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i agree there. we need to let the gov't get moving there and then run. like i said we did a lot of good there, but its a fucking mess when you have cross town rivals killing each other like we are watching a new version of the warriors.

pay attention to frist now, he wont be on the ballot in a few days once the news hits the fan about his father and brother's company and his sudden acknowledgement of his stock trades. he was working around the blind trust and got caught.

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[quote=Jenks]McCain isn't a quitter, not running and leaving Iraq a mess. We started it, we need to leave the country more stable than it is now, and if that takes more troops to train their military and press insurgency, than so be it. Guess you'll be voting for the, and with your, skirt, Localizer.[/quote]

dude, that made me buy a ticket to st. lou and book my ticket for your next party..... i owe you a beer.

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[quote=thesightless]dude, that made me buy a ticket to st. lou and book my ticket for your next party..... i owe you a beer.[/quote]

next party...Alphahouse - Dan Bell, Butane, Jenks ;)

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[quote=Jenks]McCain isn't a quitter, not running and leaving Iraq a mess. We started it, we need to leave the country more stable than it is now, and if that takes more troops to train their military and press insurgency, than so be it. Guess you'll be voting for the, and with your, skirt, Localizer.[/quote]

No, people like you started it. People like you supported the war. So people like you should be out there in Iraq. I like my balls hanging freely out of my skirt thank you very much.

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he won the majority so act like me and just shut and accept it. we can critique his actions, but he did win. it took me about 3 months.

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and anyone who thought that fuckhead john kerry would have been better..... well, you might be just as dumb as he is. he couldnt find a way out of a paper bag, and still to this day, buries himself with asinine comments. figures he is from massachusettes.

it came down to letting retard finish things (or try to), or handing it over to a man who openly disgraced leadership throughout his life, lead to 300K jobs moving out of the country with his nice little draft proposition on giving china a monster trade reduction.........and showed he couldnt handle his own comments, yet alone a debate where he has a speechwriter feeding his ear.

dont get me wrong, bush has surrounded himself with ppl who are 100% inept, and he isnt a good speaker, but the independent was the best candidate outside of dennis kuckhinch last time around.

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I hate Bush as much as the next guy, but just pulling a Kerry and yanking troops from Iraq leaving it in complete disarray would be a just as big of a mistake as the way the war was handled in the first place. If you're thinking McCain is a war monger like Bush you're sorely mistaken. After being tortured for 5 years in the Hanoi Hilton, i can't help but think McCain wants the troops out of Iraq just as quickly as everyone else, but he wants it done right.

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perfect explanation jenks.but this thread was more about looking ahead and realizing ''WHAT THE FUCK" there are two guys who could be great, but they pissed off party lines by thinking in reality, and already have zero chance. (guiliani and lieberman).. if it truly comes down to hillary vs mccain.... yao better get a pullout couch. cuz ill be in amsterdamn until this country educates itself and begins to apply logic and thought to who we are electing.

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[QUOTE=Jenks]pulling a Kerry and yanking troops from Iraq leaving it in complete disarray would be a just as big of a mistake as the way the war was handled in the first place. [/QUOTE]

Unfortunately, this is 100% right. The biggest tragedy would be if we were to leave the country more fucked up than we found it and right now, that's exactly the situation.

Rumsfeld needs to get canned yesterday. For a long time, I was of the opinion that I didn't like him, but I liked a change in leadership in the middle of a war even less, but it's clear to me now that he's more a part of the problem than the solution. He needs to go. None of this, thank him for his service, give him a medal bullshit as he's allowed to "step down to pursue other interests." He needs to be fired to send a message to the rest of the world that we don't find the current situation acceptable and are trying to do something about it.

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you wanna fix the war...... tell rumsfeld to go away and let the generals make the decisions. it is really as simple as that. if we gave them free reign, im sure we would have bin laden already, and iraq would be on lockdown and lot more weapons and bombs would be found.;(i dont mena WMD, i mean the shit they are using now)

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[quote=thesightless]perfect explanation jenks.but this thread was more about looking ahead and realizing ''WHAT THE FUCK" [/quote]

Correct- this thread is about our next option. I'm just trying to defeat the notion that McCain, one of the upcoming options, is going to send more troops to iraq in the same manner Bush/Rummy did, as Localizer suggested, which just isn't true.

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Um, no I didn't suggest he was sending more troops. I clearly stated that I'm not voting for him if he's not pulling troops out of Iraq. You can't rebuild over an ideology. You have corrupt contracters making bids and not completing jobs. You have no money being sent to train the Iraqi national guardsmen. We have a division of Sunni's and Shi'ites.

BTW, it's typical for a conservative to point at anyone who is against their hardline views as a hippy. I would have rather had Kerry then Bush because at least he would have pulled out only 1 year into the war rather than have a dumbass dig us into a deeper hole.

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[quote=thesightless]you wanna fix the war...... tell rumsfeld to go away and let the generals make the decisions. it is really as simple as that. if we gave them free reign, im sure we would have bin laden already, and iraq would be on lockdown and lot more weapons and bombs would be found.;(i dont mena WMD, i mean the shit they are using now)[/quote]

rumsfeld hasn't been seen lately and the military has already distanced themselves away from him....

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[quote=Localizer] BTW, it's typical for a conservative to point at anyone who is against their hardline views as a hippy.[/quote]

i was just joking with the hippy comment. sense of humor, party of one?

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[quote=Jenks]i was just joking with the hippy comment. sense of humor, party of one?[/quote]

i have a sense of humor, just don't mask your 'humor' by putting words into my mouth...

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if i travel to a few more countries, can i put words in your mouth?

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At this point, roughly 2 years out...does anyone think it's going to be McCain Vs Hillary?

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yes, but mccain will win.

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[QUOTE=Jenks]At this point, roughly 2 years out...does anyone think it's going to be McCain Vs Hillary?[/QUOTE]

I know this goes against conventional wisdom, but I doubt it will be Hilary. Too many Democrats really have a problem with her. Not sure who will get the Democratic nod, but I really doubt it will be her.

As for McCain, I bet he does end up getting it, but I don't think it will be as smooth of sailing as we might think. He was in a good spot running up to 2000 and got crucified by republicans that didn't think he was far enough to the right. He's likely to get some pretty stiff opposition who will pull out some nasty shit to defeat him a la what happened in the 2000 South Carolina primary.

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Well, money talks, and she's already got like 20 mill in the bank for a campaign, which apparantly is more than any of her competition...according to some AM radio show i was listening to.

Sad to think that some good candidates out there already don't have a chance because they'll get outspent on the campaign trail. :what

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[QUOTE=Jenks]Well, money talks, and she's already got like 20 mill in the bank for a campaign, which apparantly is more than any of her competition...according to some AM radio show i was listening to.[/QUOTE]

I know, and she's actually in the stratosphere compared to any other democrats (or republicans, for that matter), but I just have a feeling it's going to fall apart somewhere along the way. Be it gut instinct, wild ass guess or je ne sais quoi, I just don't think she'll end up at the top come the convention. Maybe I'm just telling myself that to keep myself looking forward to 2008.

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i would like nothing more than to see Hillary fall flat on her face in 2008.

Dukakis in a dress.

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[quote=thesightless]can we get done with the middle east plz?[/quote] And you called Kerry a flip-flopper? Weren't you one of the ones in this forum who supported going to war for the supposed WMDs? Now you just want to wash your hands and walk off? I was never for the war but since we are there we need to finish what we started, its the only right thing to do. Besides isn't it against Geneva Convention protocols to invade a country and leave it in shambles?

[quote=thesightless]al gore.... howard dean was on the news the other day saying how gore might be in the ring....... ARE YOU KIDDING ME? this guy is quite literally the worlds biggest loser... hehe., he says he created the web.. [/quote] Now im no fanboy of Gore's but continually spreading misinformation only reflects poorly on you and your opinions. You really need to look into ARPANET and MOSAIC to get some background. But I'll keep it short and sweet for you. Vint Cerf, arguably the inventor of the internet had this to say: [quote] A [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000"]2000[/URL]-[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_28"]09-28[/URL], email written by [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vint_Cerf"]Vint Cerf[/URL] and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Kahn"]Robert E. Kahn[/URL] (key developers of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_protocol_suite"]internet protocols[/URL]), stated that: [I][A]s the two people who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time.[/I] [I]Last year the Vice President made a straightforward statement on his role. He said: "During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet." We don't think, as some people have argued, that Gore intended to claim he "invented" the Internet. Moreover, there is no question in our minds that while serving as Senator, Gore's initiatives had a significant and beneficial effect on the still-evolving Internet. The fact of the matter is that Gore was talking about and promoting the Internet long before most people were listening. We feel it is timely to offer our perspective.[/I][URL="http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200009/msg00052.html"][20][/URL][/quote]Taken from wikipedia. And if you don't believe that source its also debunked on Snopes.com. Hopefully your not one of those guys that refers to internet as a set of tubes.

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I like Gore, the work he's been doing for the environment is highly commendable. Gore Edwards would be a strong ticket. Hillary is a no-no because, A> I would have trouble voting for a woman, and B> she is a C U Next Tuesday, even though I loved the way she blasted off on Scumsfeld

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Did you know (i didn't until i heard it on the radio the other day) that the leading campaign $$ contributions come from environmental groups? Coincidence Al?