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[quote=KinKyJ]
Ah wel David, at least you're admitting that these days there isn't any difference anymore between Hezbollah and the IDF/IAF ;)
[/quote] I admit nothing until I have all the information, somehting you clearly are lacking dipshit :lol: :lol: :lol:
Read this article, its abit long, so you might need to concentrate Kinky OK :lol: :lol: :lol:
[url]http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1292[/url]
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[quote=davetlv]I admit nothing until I have all the information, somehting you clearly are lacking dipshit :lol: :lol: :lol:
Read this article, its abit long, so you might need to concentrate Kinky OK :lol: :lol: :lol:
[URL="http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1292"]http://www.melaniephillips.com/diary/?p=1292[/URL] [/quote] Melanie Phillips... Ow yeah, isn't that Martha Stewart's niece or something? Yup, clearly a better source of info than Human Rights Watch :roll:
Oh btw, when someone posts something you don't like, do you always call them names? Ah well, being called a dipshit is better than getting a cluster bomb dropped on my ass. But then again, I'm not firing a rocket launcher from a UN observation post...
Excuses, excuses... I'm sure you play a hell of a game of doge ball David.
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[COLOR=white]this thread will soon become longer than the nonsense thread. There is no answer to the situation IMO. It is what it is and what it has been for a long time. It will always remain the same. Muslims vs. Jews and Western Ideals. [/COLOR] [COLOR=white][/COLOR] [COLOR=white]No matter how any side looks at it, innocent people are dying everyday and more hatred is created. I don?t see any of this being resolved anytime soon. [/COLOR] [COLOR=white][/COLOR] [COLOR=white][/COLOR] [COLOR=silver][COLOR=white]Back to KinkyJ and Davetlv. It seems to be there thread :p[/COLOR] [/COLOR]
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[quote=KinKyJ]Melanie Phillips... Ow yeah, isn't that Martha Stewart's niece or something? Yup, clearly a better source of info than Human Rights Watch :roll: [/quote]
The article was there for you to read somehting different to your usual source. . . . as an ex journo i would have thought you would have appreciated it.:lol::lol:
[quote=KinKyJ]Oh btw, when someone posts something you don't like, do you always call them names? Ah well, being called a dipshit is better than getting a cluster bomb dropped on my ass. But then again, I'm not firing a rocket launcher from a UN observation post... [/quote]
No, only really stupid people. Your entire news gathering for this crisis here in the region is tainted by the fact that your fellow journos are not supplying you with the news, just the news they want you to see. Melanies article pointed that out don't you think?
[quote=KinKyJ]Excuses, excuses... I'm sure you play a hell of a game of doge ball David.[/quote]
I play no games here KinKy, unlike you, this is my life. I make no excuses for my government neither do I expect them to make any for the situation in the north.
I repeat what you so clear have chosen to ignore, there is a way to end all this
[quote=davetlv]1. Implementation of Res 1559 - which included the dis-arming of a terrorist organisation by the name of Hizbollah and the re-activation of Lenabons army in Southern Lebanon to ensure that Hizbollah do not return
The moment that happens and Israeli ceases its defensive measures against Hizbollah.[/quote]
And re your report by HRW. . . .remember Jenin in 2002? UN and others were wrong there, just like they could be wrong here, and up until the end of this conflict we will never truely know will we!
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[quote=davetlv]The article was there for you to read somehting different to your usual source. . . . as an ex journo i would have thought you would have appreciated it.:lol::lol:[/quote]Unlike some, I appreciate every kind of point of view.
[quote=davetlv]No, only really stupid people. Your entire news gathering for this crisis here in the region is tainted by the fact that your fellow journos are not supplying you with the news, just the news they want you to see. Melanies article pointed that out don't you think?[/quote]Didn't know HRW was a press agency and you're right, journalist, like lawyers, are the scum of the earth, poisoning everybody with disinformation. Yawn...
[quote=davetlv]unlike you, this is my life.[/quote]Which gives you the right to have the arrogance to call every single shred of criticism on the Israeli army tainted bullshit? Kinda makes me think of the state of mind of the Russians under Stalin... Sorry for questioning things David, it truly makes me a Hezzie luva :roll:
[quote=davetlv]I repeat what you so clear have chosen to ignore, there is a way to end all this[/quote]I don't ignore that, I agree with that. But hell, that doesn't justify dropping cluster bombs on civilian areas. I guess you either choose to ignore that or I must have overread that little paragraph that said Israel will clean up the bombs that didn't go off.
[quote=davetlv]IAnd re your report by HRW. . . .remember Jenin in 2002? UN and others were wrong there, just like they could be wrong here, and up until the end of this conflict we will never truely know will we! [/quote]Yup, the pictures of those cluster bombs must've been photoshopped, I agree.
Arrogance David, can you spell it?
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[quote=KinKyJ]Unlike some, I appreciate every kind of point of view.[/quote]
Really, I hope you're right, although I have seen no evidence of that yet.
[quote=KinKyJ]Didn't know HRW was a press agency and you're right, journalist, like lawyers, are the scum of the earth, poisoning everybody with disinformation. Yawn...[/quote]
If you used just a small portion of your brain you would no doubt be a fordimable foe. . . .that said. . . .
[quote=KinKyJ]Which gives you the right to have the arrogance to call every single shred of criticism on the Israeli army tainted bullshit? [/quote]
Really did I say that? Are you sure? Are you not simply projecting here old boy?
[quote=KinKyJ]Kinda makes me think of the state of mind of the Russians under Stalin... Sorry for questioning things David, it truly makes me a Hezzie luva :roll: [/quote]
Question all you like, KinKy, I'm informed thats one thing meterosexuals do very well :lol: :lol: :lol:
But serioulsy how can you question anything when you lack even basics in inofrmation because your colleagues are not reporting this war all they are reporting is an Israeli incursion, which this is not. See my point yet?
[quote=KinKyJ]I don't ignore that, I agree with that. But hell, that doesn't justify dropping cluster bombs on civilian areas. I guess you either choose to ignore that or I must have overread that little paragraph that said Israel will clean up the bombs that didn't go off.
Yup, the pictures of those cluster bombs must've been photoshopped, I agree.
Arrogance David, can you spell it?[/quote]
You ignore everything your little European mind cant cope with, and that seems quite a lot right now.
Dug this out, was written yesterday, prior to the shelling on the UN. This is just another one of those nasty little truths you frigging Europeans seem to want to ignore.
[quote]U.N.?s Human Shields Already part of the problem.
By Michael I. Krauss & J. Peter Pham
As part of international efforts to end the conflict in southern Lebanon, there has emerged the scheme of a United Nations peacekeeping force to separate the opposing forces. NPR reports that U.N. Secretary General Annan is, predictably, pushing for a robust international force there. But even the White House seems to be considering the idea. ?Somehow you?re going to have to provide stability in southern Lebanon,? White House spokesman Tony Snow said last week. ?Whether it?s an international stabilization force, whether it is the Lebanese armed forces, all those things are under discussion.?
What many seem to forget is that there already is a U.N. military presence in Lebanon ? and one armed, at least on paper, with a robust mandate. Alas, the blue-helmeted ?peacekeepers? are part of the problem, not the solution.
Established in 1978 pursuant to Security Council resolutions 425 and 426, and renewed in January 2006 by resolution 1655, the U.N. Interim Force in Lebanon (UNIFIL) has the mission of ?confirming the withdrawal of Israeli forces, restoring international peace and security and assisting the Government of Lebanon in ensuring its effective authority in the area.? The UNIFIL operation has an annual operating budget of $99.3 million, approximately one quarter of which (as with all U.N. operations) is paid by the American taxpayer. The force comprises 2,000 troops from China, France, Ghana, India, Ireland, Italy, Poland, and Ukraine, along with 400 international and local civilians, and is commanded by French major-general Alain Pellegrini, who has a pro-Lebanon record in the Middle East.
There?s something very familiar about Kofi Annan?s 2006 call for U.N. troops ? just take a look at the 1978 documents pertaining to UNIFIL for the reason why. As the U.N.?s own website concedes, an invasion on northern Israel on March 11, 1978, by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) caused ?many dead and wounded among the Israeli population.? When Israel responded in self-defense by targeting the then de facto PLO state in southern Lebanon, the Lebanese government denied responsibility for the Palestinian terror and appealed to the U.N. The Security Council ? where the Carter administration was represented by neophyte diplomat Andrew Young ? agreed to a resolution demanding Israeli withdrawal and creating UNIFIL with its three objectives. Twenty-nine years later, the only goal that UNIFIL has achieved is the first, the verification of Israel?s complete withdrawal from Lebanon.
When Israeli forces completed their pullout from Lebanon in early 2000, Foreign Minister David Levy reminded Annan that it was now up to Lebanon, in collaboration with UNIFIL, to live up to their obligations to deploy the Lebanese army in the south and to secure its border. That the present conflict is occurring is proof positive of the failure of the Lebanese government and of UNIFIL to even attempt to fulfill these obligations. The arsenal and forces that Hezbollah has amassed on Israel?s northern frontier were assembled under the eyes of UNIFIL. In fact, accusing the U.N. troops of ?failure? would be inaccurate; ?enabler? might be a more apt description.
One incident we encountered during our visit to Israel last year illustrates this sad fact. In January 2005, Hezbollah planted five camouflaged ?improvised explosive devices? (IEDs), inches on the Israeli side of the border near Zarit, 15 mountainous miles inland from the Mediterranean coast. The Israeli Defense Force (IDF) detected these IEDs and, following procedure, notified UNIFIL. A French UNIFIL engineer duly certified that the devices were indeed IEDs, then ?requested? that Hezbollah remove them. Hezbollah, not denying it had planted them, flatly refused, stating that since the mines were (just barely) inside the ?Zionist? border, it was up to the ?Zionists? to remove them. So the IDF sent in a large armored bulldozer to carry the mines off for disposal. This task required making a sharp 90-degree right turn from an Israeli road onto the narrow border trail where the IEDs were located. Making this sharp right turn, the left front corner of the bulldozer inevitably occupied, for a couple of seconds, about a meter of land on the Lebanese side. During those seconds a Hezbollah fighter directed an anti-tank missile at the narrow, unguarded windshield of the bulldozer. The pinpoint strike, which our Israeli sources have admitted required extraordinary training and skill, killed the bulldozer?s driver, Sgt. Maj. Jan Rotzanski, a 21-year-old Russian immigrant from Herzliya. The cynical cruelty of this murder, which Hezbollah proceeded to widely celebrate across Lebanon, speaks volumes not only about Hezbollah, but also about UNIFIL.
Nor has the situation changed much now that the conflict is ?hot.? UNIFIL?s only apparent action this past week has been to voice concerns that its troops might get hit in the crossfire. This is indeed a risk ? because UNIFIL has long permitted Hezbollah to locate its forces, including its missile batteries, in the very shadow of installations belonging to the ?peacekeepers.? UNIFIL has thus turned into a very convenient and high-profile human shield for terrorists.
The U.N. force commander in Rwanda, Canadian Lieutenant-General Rom?o Dallaire, remains haunted by the refusal of U.N. bureaucrats to let him intervene to prevent the 1994 genocide by seizing the arms that Hutu killers were stockpiling. Gen. Dallaire?s boss in the Department of Peacekeeping Operations at the time was one Kofi A. Annan of Ghana, who argued that any such action would exceed the peacekeepers? mandate. There is no evidence that the Dallaire?s UNIFIL counterparts have even attempted to fulfill their duty in South Lebanon. If we are friends of peace, we must prevent the U.N. from foiling it again.
[I]Michael I. Krauss is professor of law at George Mason University School of Law. J. Peter Pham is director of the Nelson Institute for International and Public Affairs at James Madison University. Both are adjunct fellows of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies. [/I] [url]http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2UxZjI3MTRhNGM5YTc1MDkyM2NkZmVhZjdiYzUzODU[/url][/quote]
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[quote=davetlv] Really, I hope you're right, although I have seen no evidence of that yet.[/quote]Prolly cuz you're only reading what you can hack into?
[quote=davetlv]If you used just a small portion of your brain you would no doubt be a fordimable foe. . . .that said. . . .[/quote]If were a little selfrightious, you'd be picking up a gun and join your brothers instead of playing the conscience of the ME and making an ass out of yourself thinking I could be bothered about personal "insults"...
[quote=davetlv] Question all you like, KinKy, I'm informed thats one thing meterosexuals do very well :lol: :lol: :lol:[/quote]... like this lame attempt to be funny.
[quote=davetlv]But serioulsy how can you question anything when you lack even basics in inofrmation because your colleagues are not reporting this war all they are reporting is an Israeli incursion, which this is not. See my point yet?[/quote]Will you please stop with these moronic prejudices? You think you''re the only one who obtains info and that the rest of us is blind? Like I said: arrogance.
[quote=davetlv]You ignore everything your little European mind cant cope with, and that seems quite a lot right now.[/quote]Like I said: arrogance.
[quote=davetlv] Dug this out, was written yesterday, prior to the shelling on the UN. This is just another one of those nasty little truths you frigging Europeans seem to want to ignore.[/quote]Old news for my "little European mind" tbh, but can you tell me WHERE I wrote anything in this thread which ingored that? Try to dig that out. :roll:
I'm kinda getting disappointed in you David, I always regarded you as someone who was too intelligent to launch personal attacks on people who you THINK disagree with you. Guess you must be on the rag or something ;)
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Where is your condemnation of 2000+ rockets being fired into my country?
Where is your condemnation of the fact that Hizbollah is using Lebanese citizens are human shields?
Where is your condemnation of the fact that Hozbollah use civillian addresses to fire their rockets into israel and to store their rockets?
Where is your condemnation of the UN for allowing Hizbollah to fire from their premises?
Where is your condemnation of Hizbollah for packing their Katusyot rockets with things that cause untold harm to human beings - ballbarings, nails and the like, the sole purpose of which is to cause mazimum harm to civillians.
All we do is from you is attacks on my country for fighting a defensive war.
Truely pathetic of you Kinky, really it is.
You wanna know why my patience is a little thin right now Kinky. . . .my country is at war. Its a war on two fronts with one financial backer.
Those of you in the West, with the exception of America, think we seem to enjoy this. We don't. Do you really think Israeli revel in the misery of the lebanese people? Do you?
But, whilst felling pity for our northern neighbours, we can not allow our country to be attacked in the way it has been. The time as come for us to stand up and fight back.
So, I'm sorry if that disapoints you Kinky, but tough. I'm sorry if you feel that I am behaving in a way you didn't expect, tough shit.
And no I'm not on the rag, I have however just come back from a hospital in Haifa where my best friend was sent after a Katusha hit his building. So fuck you for disapointing you. :roll: :roll: :roll:
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[quote=davetlv] Where is your condemnation of 2000+ rockets being fired into my country?
Where is your condemnation of the fact that Hizbollah is using Lebanese citizens are human shields?
Where is your condemnation of the fact that Hozbollah use civillian addresses to fire their rockets into israel and to store their rockets?
Where is your condemnation of the UN for allowing Hizbollah to fire from their premises?
Where is your condemnation of Hizbollah for packing their Katusyot rockets with things that cause untold harm to human beings - ballbarings, nails and the like, the sole purpose of which is to cause mazimum harm to civillians.[/quote] sigh want me to state the obvious? I condemn all of the above, DAH :roll:
[quote=davetlv] All we do is from you is attacks on my country for fighting a defensive war.
Truely pathetic of you Kinky, really it is.[/quote]As far as I remember (and have posted numerous times) my opinion is that Hezbollah 'n' C° should be wiped off the face of the earth. But I don't think dropping those cluster bombs in those areas is the way to do it. Sorry if you take that as an attack, it's clearly not.
[quote=davetlv] You wanna know why my patience is a little thin right now Kinky. . . .my country is at war. Its a war on two fronts with one financial backer.
Those of you in the West, with the exception of America, think we seem to enjoy this. We don't. Do you really think Israeli revel in the misery of the lebanese people? Do you?[/quote]No I don't and I have never said that either. Quit wiping me on the same stack as those idiots who say Israel does.
[quote=davetlv] But, whilst felling pity for our northern neighbours, we can not allow our country to be attacked in the way it has been. The time as come for us to stand up and fight back.[/quote]I don't pitty your neighbours, I pitty every innocent victim, no matter on what side they are. That however doesn't mean I don't think you guys should strike back.
[quote=davetlv] So, I'm sorry if that disapoints you Kinky, but tough. I'm sorry if you feel that I am behaving in a way you didn't expect, tough shit.
And no I'm not on the rag, I have however just come back from a hospital in Haifa where my best friend was sent after a Katusha hit his building. So fuck you for disapointing you. :roll: :roll: :roll:[/quote]Sorry to hear that, but I don't see the point on taking that out on someone who agrees with you (be it not all the way).
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israel is so fucking out of line it isnt even funny, the israel offensive is ironic beyond belief, nothing will be accomplished.
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cant we all just get along
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Interview with Tina Naccache in Beirut.
It goes for around twenty minutes, very powerful interview.
[URL="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14195.htm"]http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14195.htm[/URL]
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Latest article by Uri Avnery
[URL="http://zope.gush-shalom.org/home/en/channels/avnery/"][B][COLOR=#7f7f7f]Uri Avnery[/COLOR][/B][/URL] [IMG]http://zope.gush-shalom.org/graphics/spacer.gif[/IMG] [B][SIZE=4][COLOR=#161614]Q & A: The 15th Day[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B] 26-7-06
On the 15th day of the war, Hizbullah is functioning and fighting. That by itself will go down in the annals of the Arab peoples as a shining victory.
When a featherweight boxer faces a heavyweight and is still standing in the 15th round - that is a victory, whatever the final outcome. [LIST] []Can Hizbullah be pushed out of the border area?[/LIST]The question is based on a misunderstanding of the essence of Hizbullah. Not by accident is the organization call Hizb-Allah ("Party of Allah") and not Jeish-Allah ("Army of Allah"). It is a political organization, with deep roots in the Shiite population of South Lebanon. For all practical purposes, it represents this community. The Shiites are 40% of the Lebanese population, and together with the other Muslims they form the majority. Hizbullah can be "moved" only if the whole Shiite population is moved - an ethnic cleansing that (I hope) no one is thinking about. After the war the population will return to their towns and villages, and Hizbullah will continue to flourish. [LIST] []What would happen if the Lebanese Army were deployed along the border?[/LIST]That has been one of the slogans of the Israeli government from the first moment. They will announce this as the main victory. That is very convincing - for anyone who has no idea about the complexities of Lebanon. [INDENT]Anyone who was in Lebanon in 1982 and saw the Lebanese Army in action knows that it is not a serious army. Furthermore, many of its officers and soldiers are Shiites. Such a force will not fight Hizbullah.[/INDENT]Its deployment in the South would depend entirely on the agreement of Hizbullah - and that also applies to every day it stays there. [LIST] []Would an international force help?[/LIST]Ditto. That is a slogan especially tailored for diplomats, who look for an idea they can easily agree on. It sounds nice, especially if one adds the word "robust". What exactly is the robust international force supposed to do? It is proposed that it will remove Hizbullah from the border area. Not by words - like the hapless UNIFIL, that everyone ignored right from the beginning - but by force. If the deployment of this force were to take place with the agreement of both sides - Israel and Hizbullah - alright. It may serve as a ladder for the Israeli government to climb down from the tree it has climbed up. But if the force is placed there contrary to the will of Hizbullah, a guerilla war against it will start. Will the international force stand up and fight in a place which the mighty Israeli army fled with its tail between its legs? For Israel, there will be a special dilemma: what will happen if Hizbullah attacks Israel in spite of the force? Will the Israeli army enter the area, risking a clash with the international force? With German soldiers, for example? [LIST] []Olmert has said that we will not negotiate with Syria. Is that practical?[/LIST]So he said. He has said a lot of things, and his tongue is still wagging. Syria is a central player in this field. No real settlement in Lebanon will succeed without the participation - direct or indirect- of Syria. True, Hizbullah was created by us. When the Israeli army invaded Lebanon in 1982, the Shiites received the soldiers with rice and sweets. They hoped that we would evict the PLO forces, who were in control of the area. But when they realized that our army was there to stay, they started a guerilla war that lasted for 18 years. In this war, Hizbullah was born and grew, until it became the strongest organization in all Lebanon. But this would not have happened without massive Syrian support. Syria wants to get back the Golan heights, which have been officially annexed to Israel. Therefore, it is important for the Syrians not to allow the Israelis any quiet. Since they do not want to risk trouble on their own borders with Israel, they use Hizbullah to cause trouble on Israel's border with Lebanon. The Lebanese border will not become quiet until we reach an agreement with Syria. That is to say: until we give the Golan back.The alternativeis to start a war with Syria, with its ballistic missiles, chemical and biological weapons and an army that has proved itself. President Bush is pushing Israel to do this, perhaps in order to divert attention from his fiascoes in Iraq and Afghanistan. [LIST] []How can one evaluate the conduct of the military campaign?[/LIST]Dan Halutz will not enter the history books as one of the greatest captains of all time. He pushed the government into this war, partly in order to cover up two embarrassing military failures: the Palestinian commando action in Kerem Shalom and the Hizbullah action on the Lebanese border. No officer has been called to bear responsibility for them. The ultimate responsibility rests, of course, with the chief-of-Staff. Halutz, the first Chief-of-Staff who rose through the ranks of the Air Force, was convinced that he could finish it off by aerial bombardment, with the assistance of the artillery and navy. He was vastly mistaken. Even after sowing havoc in Lebanon, he did not succeed in vanquishing the opponent. Now he is compelled to do the one thing that everybody was afraid of: sending large land forces into the Lebanese quagmire. On the 15th day of the war, not one of the aims is any nearer to being achieved. As far as Halutz is concerned, both as a strategist and as a commander, his marks are close to zero. [LIST] []Have the civilians at the head of the government proved themselves?[/LIST]After the elections, many people in Israel thought that a civilian era had begun, since both the Prime Minister and the Minister of Defense are complete civilians, without a military background. As it turns out, the opposite is the case. History shows that political functionaries who succeed strong leaders are capable of doing terrible things. They want to prove that they, too, are strong leaders, that they have guts, that they can wage war. Harry Truman , who replaced Franklin Roosevelt, is responsible for what is perhaps the biggest war crime in history - the dropping of atom bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Anthony Eden, who succeeded Winston Churchill, started the foolish Suez war, in collusion with France and Israel. The Olmert government started this war in shocking irresponsibility, without serious debate or deliberation. They were afraid to oppose the demands of the Chief-of-Staff, afraid to be branded as cowards. [LIST] []Olmert has promised that after the war the situation in the region will be different from what it was before. Is there a chance of this?[/LIST]Absolutely. But the new situation will be very much worse for us. One of Hassan Nasrallah's aims is to unite Shiites and Sunnis in a common fight against Israel. One has to realize that for centuries Sunnis and Shiites were mortal enemies. Many orthodox Sunnis consider the Shiites heretics. By coming to the aid of the Palestinians, who are Sunnis, Nasrallah hopes, among other aims, to forge a new alliance. In the Middle East, a new axis may be coming into being, one that includes Hizbullah, the Palestinians, Syria, Iraq and Iran. Syria is a Sunni country. Iraq is now controlled by the Shiites, who wholeheartedly support Hizbullah. But the Iraqi Sunnis, who are waging a tough guerilla war against the Americans, also support Hizbullah. This bloc enjoys a wide popularity among the masses throughout the Arab world, because of their fight against the USA and Israel. The opposite bloc, which includes Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, is losing popularity by the day. These regimes are considered by the masses as mercenaries of the Americans and agents of Israel. Mahmoud Abbas is strenuously trying to avoid being included in this category. [LIST] []So what can be done about this?[/LIST]To put an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, which causes ferment throughout the Middle East. To draw Hamas out of this hostile front, by negotiating with the elected Palestinian government. To reach a settlement in Lebanon. For it to last, this settlement must include Hizbullah and Syria. This will oblige us to give the Golan back. It should be remembered that Ehud Barak had already agreed to that and almost signed a peace treaty, similar to the one signed with Egypt, but unfortunately chickened out at the last moment for fear of public opinion.
This earlier statement by Uri that which I have quoted below is very interesting. Reason being is that in the interview with Tina Naccache which is the post before this one, she mentions the Shit ite areas are being bombed and Christian, Sunni and others are being spared, she goes on to say that these attacks are racist ones. [QUOTE] Hizbullah can be "moved" only if the whole Shiite population is moved - an ethnic cleansing that (I hope) no one is thinking about. [/QUOTE]