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More cartoon protests

122 durable postsStarted 2006-02-08Latest 2006-04-11

#566962Post 41 of 1222006-02-16

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k local i'm sorry i snapped on you a bit.. but I really disagree with the way that your seeing this one.. Rhipkin you said it perfectly (IMO).. That is a scary thought that 20 million are doing this.

#567081Post 42 of 1222006-02-16

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[quote=rhipkin]10 - 20 million that want to destroy the West - that's scary.....

Localizer, I know where you coming from and as I said earlier I have always preached understanding and acceptance. But even you must agree that at some point you need to leave that on the side of the road for abit and stand up and voice your own dissapproval.

Muslims are baying for blood because a depiction of Mohammed was drawn and as a result is an insult to Mohammed and Islam as a whole - well we can't be expected to all know that, we are not Muslim, we do not abide by THEIR laws or rules. Admittedly (and EVERYONE on here agrees) that maybe it was wrong and ignorant of the Norwegian newspaper to potray those images.

Whats wrong with peaceful demonstration, the world would have sympathised with them alot better that way. Instead they go on a rampage while demanding respect from us. How can you take them seriously? How can you expect the "West" to understand and accept when they have no intention of doing the same. That is clear to see in their reactions. We have educated (as in how the west works) Muslims in the "West" who are running around with posters with:

"Europe your 9/11 is coming!!" "Behead those who insult our Prophet!!" "Kill those who demean our Prophet!!"

These are people who have lived and been exposed to Western civilization, they know how we operate yet when the time comes they show us their true side - and that is filled with hate spech, death threats and other comments that paramount to terrorism.

I hate to generalise but seriously with 10 - 20 million Muslims calling for another 9/11 the figures are seriously against them...... and I do not like that.

When 9/11 happened, Muslim's around the world begged the "Western" world to not generalise and that not all Muslims were like that - I'm afraid that number has quickly diminished as more and more Muslims around the world raise their fists and swords at anything Western....

Understanding, education and acceptance MUST come from both sides for it to work. I've sat for hours debating this issue with Muslims in this country and the consensus is the same - "WE must understand where they coming from..." But I'm afraid the same is not extended to us....

Peace :)[/quote]

You're right, and believe me, I don't like putting up a defense for them. It's dirty, but at the same time, we should all know that the media abuses the privelage they have of freedom of speech and freedom of the press. And where I stand is not the degree of their reaction to the picture but of why Europe would be dumb enough to trigger an avalanche of hate. We know muslims to be fanatics so why does someone (such as the press) always feel the need to perpetuate?

#567139Post 43 of 1222006-02-16

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[quote=Localizer]. We know muslims to be fanatics so why does someone (such as the press) always feel the need to perpetuate?[/quote]

to say we wont be controlled because they will get violent and threaten us. period. why cower and limit our freedoms becuase a foreign people dont appreciate or repsect our freedoms and desire us to cut our freedoms.

#567199Post 44 of 1222006-02-16

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[quote=thesightless]to say we wont be controlled because they will get violent and threaten us. period. why cower and limit our freedoms becuase a foreign people dont appreciate or repsect our freedoms and desire us to cut our freedoms.[/quote]

I guess we'll always have to live in a state of flux.

#567412Post 45 of 1222006-02-17

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[quote=Localizer]You're right, and believe me, I don't like putting up a defense for them. It's dirty, but at the same time, we should all know that the media abuses the privelage they have of freedom of speech and freedom of the press. And where I stand is not the degree of their reaction to the picture but of why Europe would be dumb enough to trigger an avalanche of hate. We know muslims to be fanatics so why does someone (such as the press) always feel the need to perpetuate?[/quote]

Trust me I'm battling with that one as well. To me I just don't see the need to add fuel to fire. I guess that is the whole point, I need to get information from both sides. The why? And the why not? Maybe the reasons still won't satisfy me and I'll be left in a perpetual state of wondering....lol....

Ah well sometimes the world just doesn't make sense?? :roll:

#567601Post 46 of 1222006-02-17

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In your long post you hit the nail on the head Rhipkin, and to Local: I am a fierce defender of my rights, and if cartoons are made of virtually any subject the drawers can find, then Mohammed is among them. The fact that these cartoons were made should not even have to be questioned if one really adheres to freedom of press and speech: they were made, since they too were a subject about which people should think.

Even if we did know it would provoke a reaction like this, we still should not ever refrain from doing it, otherwise our freedom will be hostage to the Islam.

#568160Post 47 of 1222006-02-19

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[quote=rhipkin]Ah well sometimes the world just doesn't make sense?? :roll:[/quote] Most of the time. :x

[quote=Yao]Even if we did know it would provoke a reaction like this, we still should not ever refrain from doing it, otherwise our freedom will be hostage to the Islam.[/quote] Right again. :Bingo:

Damn, you're on a roll, ol' buddy. :D

#568374Post 48 of 1222006-02-19

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[quote=thesightless]someone plays a rogue huh. how in the world does a society [B]continually[/B] [B]say they are about peace, but do the exact same opposite to anything that disagrees with them.[/B] no society since the era of the moors and nordic tribes acts so violently.[/quote] I'm sorry I think I missed something here...are we talking about the George Dubya's admin here? Sounds like it...;):lol::lol:

#568418Post 49 of 1222006-02-19

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[url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/02/17/AR2006021702499.html]Why I published those cartoons[/url]

Excellent article IMO.

#568593Post 50 of 1222006-02-20

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The cartoons achieved their aim and that was to provoke and provoke they did.The violent protests were to be expected especially in those countries which aren't very stable. Seriously, what did we expect those protestors to do? Write to members of parliament, hold political/religious debates on TV or perhaps even jump on forums such as this one and try and discuss their issues in a calm and civil manner?

The snowball effect has already begun and It's fairly obvious that Muslims are pissed off and rightly so imo, we invade their countries, kill their people, occupy their lands and resources, destroy their infrastructure, control/choose their governments, label and condemn whole nations as evil, torture their citizens both physically and sexually, tarnish/label Arabs/Muslims as evil/terrorists, we then depict disrespectful images of their prophet under the banner of freedom of expression and amongst all this we've also started or have made plans on attacking Syria and Iran.

The Muslims/Arabs have been under relentless attack by the Western governments and their media since 9/11, so in the context of things, I must say, the Muslim world has handled this pretty well, don't you?

This is not to say I support the violence committed but rather an easily understood reaction by the many who are frustrated/confused and even angry with what and where this is all heading.

#568657Post 51 of 1222006-02-20

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i totally agree with one cartoon "it's so hard when you are loved by idiots" (something like that) :lol:

#568664Post 52 of 1222006-02-20

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I don't agree with them "handling it well." Handling it well would have seen protests at the person/people who provoked the incident - not KFC, McDonalds, Holiday Inn, Vodafone, innocent "Westerners" in the streets, Catholic priests, etc, etc.....

The funny thing is, false cartoons were distributed in order to fuel the fire. Who drew those? And why aren't they getting grilled for it?

Anyway, I'll continue to try understand this level of violence.

#568733Post 53 of 1222006-02-20

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there is an ARMY/NAVY type store by my house selling the bomb turban stickers for your car.

and some choice bumper stickers featuring mohammed related quotes, like mohammed is a terrorist, your prophet is gay, etc...

gave me a good laugh.

#568939Post 54 of 1222006-02-20

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[QUOTE=dig72]The cartoons achieved their aim and that was to provoke and provoke they did.The violent protests were to be expected especially in those countries which aren't very stable. Seriously, what did we expect those protestors to do? Write to members of parliament, hold political/religious debates on TV or perhaps even jump on forums such as this one and try and discuss their issues in a calm and civil manner?

This is not to say I support the violence committed but rather an easily understood reaction by the many who are frustrated/confused and even angry with what and where this is all heading.[/QUOTE]

These cartoons had nothing to do with Islamic territories outside Europe, but were rather placed to provoke a discussion between Muslims and non-Muslims in Europe itself: and here it has at least in Denmark achieved it's goal, in other countries the discussion is still ongoing. They also have fuckall to do with the West invading their countries and what not, that is a totally different story to me and believe me: I am not happy about the West at all when it comes to that. But we do live by certain standards here, and these were given up out of fear: THAT is what they wanted to confront. And they were right: we should not restrain ourselves on our own ground for fear of 'foreigners', it is they that have to adapt themselves to us, not the other way around.

#569023Post 55 of 1222006-02-20

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[quote=Yao][quote]These cartoons had nothing to do with Islamic territories outside Europe, but were rather placed to provoke a discussion between Muslims and non-Muslims in Europe itself: and here it has at least in Denmark achieved it's goal, in other countries the discussion is still ongoing. [/quote]

We live in a much smaller world then we did in the past and discussions/images such as these can be easily spilled out of Europe and into the many homes all over the globe via the net and without much explanation. Sure Denmark may have achieved it's goal but many in the world outside of Europe are still left scratching their heads wondering why.

[quote] They also have fuckall to do with the West invading their countries and what not, that is a totally different story to me and believe me: I am not happy about the West at all when it comes to that.[/quote]

Maybe so, but perception plays a big in this imo.

Does Denmark have troops in Iraq?

#569031Post 56 of 1222006-02-20

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[quote=dig72]The cartoons achieved their aim and that was to provoke and provoke they did.[/quote] You know what, i'm sick of this shit.

Tell me if you can what is offensive about these images?

What is so offensive about them that it has led to riots and deaths?

What is so offensive about them that embassies have been burnt down - even embassies of countries that have not published the image?

I look forward to you response.

And in case you havent seen all tweleve in their glory. . .

[CENTER][url=http://www.imgshost.com][img]http://www.imgshost.com/uploads/068a3e7ae5.jpg[/img][/url][/CENTER]

#569032Post 57 of 1222006-02-20

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[QUOTE=dig72]We live in a much smaller world then we did in the past and discussions/images such as these can be easily spilled out of Europe and into the many homes all over the globe via the net and without much explanation. Sure Denmark may have achieved it's goal but many in the world outside of Europe are still left scratching their heads wondering why.[/quote]

Why? Maybe because it was time for Europe to show what it is about.

[QUOTE=dig72]Does Denmark have troops in Iraq?[/QUOTE]

Ehrrr...I seriously have no idea. Then again, those cartoons were aimed as a reaction to things that hadden happened inside Europe, in fact, inside Denmark itself. Not against Iraq, even though the drawings themselves drew upon events that have taken place outside Europe.

#569119Post 58 of 1222006-02-21

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congragualtions dave, you have joined me on the list of MS user's who now have a fatwah on thier head.

#569274Post 59 of 1222006-02-21

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[quote=thesightless]congragualtions dave, you have joined me on the list of MS user's who now have a fatwah on thier head.[/quote] :CrackUp: Dude, i'm an Israeli, the Fatwah has been placed on my head many many years ago. . . . .

#569358Post 60 of 1222006-02-21

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lol :)

#569370Post 61 of 1222006-02-21

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Well, let's make my life a bit more exciting then:

[img]http://www.imgshost.com/uploads/ae4876e18d.jpg[/img]

Maybe I'll post them on my blog as well, see what happens :Middlefi:

#569405Post 62 of 1222006-02-21

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i beat ya both, i went on pro arab, pro islamic militant blogs and posted them saying ""canada stands behind europe""

#569419Post 63 of 1222006-02-21

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nyhihahahahahaha :D

#569422Post 64 of 1222006-02-21

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Am actually doing the same on a Dutch forum here with 97.000+ members...really kicking the shit out of a few empty-headed losers I tell ya...

Muslim: "The Jews are the cause of all our misery!!" Me: - "Sure, and they killed all the dinosaurs as well, right?"

#569441Post 65 of 1222006-02-21

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why do the muslims blame the jews, it was the UN that created isreal, not the jews, it wasnt like they all flocked there with heavy weaponry, kicked out the followers of islam and put up shop. if anything their beef should be with europe and US

oh yeah, they cant because they would be wiped off the planet if hamas sent suicide bombers to churchill's neighborhood.

#569442Post 66 of 1222006-02-21

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[quote=Yao] Muslim: "The Jews are the cause of all our misery!!" Me: - "Sure, and they killed all the dinosaurs as well, right?"[/quote] :CrackUp: :CrackUp: :CrackUp:

Enough man, really, I'm pissing myself with laughter here!

And if you really want a good laugh have a look at [URL="http://judicial-inc.biz/1_master_supreme.htm"]this[/URL] in general, and if you want to know how the Jews are responsible for everything bad that has ever happened except the dinosaurs try [URL="http://judicial-inc.biz/False_Flags_summary.htm"]this[/URL].

#569444Post 67 of 1222006-02-21

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i blame the jews for interest rates. you guys did create banking.

i also blame you for guidos. becuase they were jealous of all the rich jewish kids in NY and NJ so they had to one up ya.

#569449Post 68 of 1222006-02-21

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[quote=thesightless]i blame the jews for interest rates. you guys did create banking.

i also blame you for guidos. becuase they were jealous of all the rich jewish kids in NY and NJ so they had to one up ya.[/quote]

The very first banks were probably the religious temples of the ancient world. In them were stored gold in the form of easy to carry compressed plates. Their owners justly felt that temples were the safest places to store their gold as they were constantly attended, well built and were sacred, thus detering would-be thieves. There are extant records of loans from the 18th Century BC in Babylon that were made by temple priests to merchants.

Ancient Greece holds further evidence of banking. Greek temples as well as private and civic entities conducted financial transactions such as loans, deposits, currency exchange, and validation of coinage. Interestingly, there is evidence too of credit, whereby in return for a payment from a client, a Money Lender in one Greek port would write a credit note for the client who could "cash" the note in another city, saving the client the danger of carting coinage with him on his journey.

Ancient Rome perfected the administrative aspect of banking and saw greater regulation of financial institutions and financial practices. Charging interest on loans and paying interest on deposits became more highly developed and competitive. The ascent of Christianity in Rome and its influence restricted banking, as the charging of interest and usury were seen as immoral. Jewish entrepreneurs, free of Christian taboos about money, established themselves in the provision of financial services increasingly demanded by the expansion of European trade and commerce.

(Stolen from Wikipedia)

#569450Post 69 of 1222006-02-21

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BTW what the fuck are guidos.?

#569451Post 70 of 1222006-02-21

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i also blame jews for asteroids, comets and eclipses.

go wiki those.

and AIDS, TB, and emphazema. i dont care about proof, i blame you.

#569456Post 71 of 1222006-02-21

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oh yeah, the only thing that actually i can blame the jews for is tying up traffic. i live in a heavy jewish neighborhood and on satuardays the 3 temples have police directing traffic because of the whole ""walking to temple rule"". but tis not that bad.:D

#569465Post 72 of 1222006-02-21

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[quote=thesightless]oh yeah, the only thing that actually i can blame the jews for is tying up traffic. i live in a heavy jewish neighborhood and on satuardays the 3 temples have police directing traffic because of the whole ""walking to temple rule"". but tis not that bad.:D[/quote]

Hey, stop, i can't shoulder all the blame.

#569466Post 73 of 1222006-02-21

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lol, i blame you for the plight of the alaskan snow crab too.

#569470Post 74 of 1222006-02-21

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Ok ok, it's all my fault, i'm guilty of everything plus more.

Happy now?

#569474Post 75 of 1222006-02-21

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thank allah, a jew took the blame. the holy land will be ours again.

(this might the dumbest conversation i have ever perpetrated. stop encouraging me)

#569478Post 76 of 1222006-02-21

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Oh great, now its my fault for this conversation. . . . .jeeezzz, can't win can i? :D :D :D

#569562Post 77 of 1222006-02-21

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dave, toasty, you will like this one.

[URL="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com"]www.thereligionofpeace.com[/URL]

#569565Post 78 of 1222006-02-21

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[FONT=Arial][SIZE=2][COLOR=#993300][B]Picture of the Week[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][URL="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/UN-Gitmo.htm"][IMG]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/GitmoRelo.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index_files/TonderaiMachiridza-4-18-03.jpg[/IMG][/URL][LEFT][FONT=Arial]An al-Qaeda terrorist packs his clothes at Guantanamo Bay, while a political activist slowly expires from torture endured at a Zimbabwe jail. The first is a plotter of mass murder, the second a democracy advocate in a nation that sits on the UN Human Rights Commission. Which is the UN the most concerned with?[/FONT][/LEFT]

#569567Post 79 of 1222006-02-21

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[quote=thesightless]dave, toasty, you will like this one.

[URL="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com"]www.thereligionofpeace.com[/URL][/quote] sightless it is indeed a great site. . . . i quote it frequently on my fav anti-israel sites

#569576Post 80 of 1222006-02-21

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oh yeah,

[URL="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2049788,00.html"]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,6-2049788,00.html[/URL]

satire at its very best.