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[quote=thesightless]god i think your kids will make poto look like john wayne.[/quote]

there you go people, stupidity personified. :roll:

thanks for proving my point.

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very interesting... thats my 2c

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[quote=srbbnd]What about the Greeks and Romans. You weren't cool unless you were gay. They were one of the first modern societies.[/quote] Hey dude, Do you have idea why the Great Powerful Roman Empire was conquered by a bunch of unorganized tribes? What the fundamental reason? It is a known fact. Sexual disaster leaded to total disaster of their famous, stable social system they had. So those losers Roman Empire gays weren?t cool at all :lol: I hear BSully828 talking about intolerance in this thread. I am accountable for my posts only. I am totally tolerant toward gays as male-humans. But I am not tolerant to their gay nature. It is something they should change in their entity. As long as they behave normal I am very ok with them ;) If one can be saved from addiction to drugs, stopping being gay is possible too 8)

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[quote=az0000000]Hey dude, Do you have idea why the Great Powerful Roman Empire was conquered by a bunch of unorganized tribes? What the fundamental reason? It is a known fact. Sexual disaster leaded to total disaster of their famous, stable social system they had. So those losers Roman Empire gays weren?t cool at all :lol: I hear BSully828 talking about intolerance in this thread. I am accountable for my posts only. I am totally tolerant toward gays as male-humans. But I am not tolerant to their gay nature. It is something they should change in their entity. As long as they behave normal I am very ok with them ;) If one can be saved from addiction to drugs, stopping being gay is possible too 8)[/quote]

i agree with someone on this board for once!

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[quote=az0000000] As long as they behave normal I am very ok with them ;) [/quote]

And that, my friend, is the definition of intolerance. "Normal behavior" is relative - what was "normal" 2000 years ago would seem barbaric today, just as today's standard of "normal" will seem barbaric 2000 years from now.

To judge a person's character based on their sexual preference is parallel to judging them by their race, religion or nationality - period. Dress it up with all the empirical evidence and scientific fact you want, but at the end of the day its still bigotry and hatred.

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oh thats ridiculous, please don't compare sexual orientation to race and religion. It just shows you don't know what you're talking about.

Plus we are not going out hurting anyone, just making a point and arguing the case. If we protested against paedophiles, what are you gonna say? stop the hatred and bigotry?

Also, if you're not basing your theory on science or logic then what have you left yourself to argue your case? You cannot just say something and tell people they are wrong when in fact there is no basis to your argument.

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[quote=sono]oh thats ridiculous, please don't compare sexual orientation to race and religion. It just shows you don't know what you're talking about.

Also, if you're not basing your theory on science or logic then what have you left yourself to argue your case? You cannot just say something and tell people they are wrong when in fact there is no basis to your argument.[/quote] I agree with you as well.

[quote=sono]Plus we are not going out hurting anyone, just making a point and arguing the case. If we protested against paedophiles, what are you gonna say? stop the hatred and bigotry?[/quote] Or if we are against sexual sadism? [[B][COLOR=yellowgreen]some crazy fu**ks would consider that a normal sexual preference[/COLOR][/B]]

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[quote=sono]i thought i might ignore the lot of you because obviously intelligence is difficult to come by on this board, but I thought I'd reply and maybe something will click in your empty heads.[/quote] Oh I'm sorry, you were saying...?

@ sono: I don't think it's a disease, but you won't catch me talking about genes either. All I know about the scientific research is what I told, and IMO population control is a damn big advantage when overpopulation is a fact. Procreation is a means for a species to survive, but sometimes it can also be in their advantage to slow down on that. Your thoughts on this are rather one-sided.

If you want to throw it on culture, I suggest you do some reading on the 'gender' perspective in cultures around the world. You'll be in for a big suprise, but I'll tell you this in advance: your viewpoint is extremely Western and culturally right-winged. Try Eriksen: "Small places, large issues" for a start.

If being gay was once accepted, it means that approval/disapproval is a cultural matter. Gay people however have always been around. The number may have been higher when the culture at that time was more approving towards it, which seems pretty logical to me. In the history of mankind homosexuality has always been around. Don't tell me that in the Middle Ages when the church was cracking down on everything considered pagan people had nothing better to do than to 'choosing to begay'. Wether genetic or not, I have serious doubts about it being a choice. That would be the most illogical thing there is.

As for intolerance: don't put the blame on us dude, you're the intolerant person here. You're the one denying a group of people a culturally equal position here just because you're afraid of getting a smelly dick.

@ Az: As far as I know those barebackers have been around a bit longer than your country, in a time where it was much harder for a state to legitimize itself and survive. How's that for logic?

This is all a dead end discussion like Sully said, not to mention that I fucking hate this kind of intolerance. I maybe a mod, but i'm also human which means I just might end up abusing my powers. :thisisnotafuckingsmileyicon:

And btw: I nail women. I'm just not afraid of my sexual preference. :RockOn:

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[quote=sono]oh thats ridiculous, please don't compare sexual orientation to race and religion. It just shows you don't know what you're talking about.[/quote]

Sexual orientation defines a person's character about as well as the color of their skin - Sorry to say, but it's one in the same, men and women are too complex to be judged by one aspect of their personality. When you say that a gay man is "diseased" you might as well say the same about a black man.

[quote=sono]Plus we are not going out hurting anyone, just making a point and arguing the case. If we protested against paedophiles, what are you gonna say? stop the hatred and bigotry?[/quote]

Linking pedophiles to homosexuals - now [I]that[/I] is a ridiculous comparison. A relationship between two [I]adults[/I] is far different that the relationship between an adult and a child - do you really think that a couple comprised of a 12 year old and a 30 year are congruent to two 30 year old men/women? There's just a [I]slight[/I] mental, social, emotional and experiential gap between a child and an adult - one that makes pedophilia a whole different ballgame than homosexuality.

[quote=sono]Also, if you're not basing your theory on science or logic then what have you left yourself to argue your case? You cannot just say something and tell people they are wrong when in fact there is no basis to your argument.[/quote]

I'd be willing to bet that you have never gotten to know even 1 homosexual. If you did, you would realize that all the science and biology you can quote falls short in the face of real world experience. You could throw every scientific journal that says "you cannot be born a homosexual" and each and every one of them would crumble before the real live, thinking, breathing organism that says differently. How on earth can you say that this study or that scientist knows more about the homosexual mind than an actual homosexual?

Believe it or not but gays and lesbians share all the same feelings, thoughts, hopes and fears as you do Sono - they are just like you, each and every one of them. Perhaps that idea scares you, maybe it disgusts you, but that doesn't change the fact that in every way, save one, you are no different then these "genetic mutants".

To you it seems sexual orientation relates solely to the sexual act itself - i think your words were "Putting your lifemaking organ into a defecating, human waste orifice" (That human waste orifice bit is slightly ironic by the way, seeing how urine isn't exactly chardonnay). What you seem to miss is that, just like in heterosexual relationships, homosexuals actually do [I]love[/I] eachother on a much greater level. They have the same hardships and trials, the same joys and success as we "normies" do. Their lives as a couple are no different than the lives of a heterosexual couple except in the bedroom - is that grounds to wish to wipe this entire segment of the population out of the public eye? To shun these normal people to the corners of the room because they see the world a little differently than you?

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[quote=BSully828]And that, my friend, is the definition of intolerance. "Normal behavior" is relative - what was "normal" 2000 years ago would seem barbaric today, just as today's standard of "normal" will seem barbaric 2000 years from now.[/quote] Sorry, but here you are very wrong. What is normal today was normal 2000 years ago and will be normal forever. Normal is to have sex with women. Normal is to fall in love with opposite sex. To have wife and family and kids actually [I?d go as far as that in my affirmations, why not? :) ] Abnormal is to dig your penis into someone's ass. And it was always abnormal. Society always considered that idiotic. Doesn?t matter if we were created or came from monkeys, some concrete moral-ethical principles were established long time ago. As humans we need those principles to survive and have happy life. From this matter gays are bringing on the social chaos.

[quote=BSully828]To judge a person's character based on their sexual preference is parallel to judging them by their race, religion or nationality - period.[/quote] And how would you judge a whore's character? Or shit-eater?s nature? [You may not be familiar with it, but even such crazy sexual preference as eating someone's shit exists :Crazy mo: ] Or those that like fu**cking with animals? Aren't those just their sexual preferences that we shouldn?t judge?

[quote=BSully828]Dress it up with all the empirical evidence and scientific fact you want, but at the end of the day its still bigotry and hatred.[/quote] Believe me, no bigotry and hatred here, at least from my side 8)

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[quote=az0000000]Sorry, but here you are very wrong. What is normal today was normal 2000 years ago and will be normal forever. [/quote]

It was once "normal" to think the world was flat, that the earth was the center of the universe and the sun, stars and plants were affixed to crystal spheres just beyond the skyline. How's that working out now?

[quote=az0000000]Normal is to have sex with women. Normal is to fall in love with opposite sex. To have wife and family and kids actually [I’d go as far as that in my affirmations, why not? :) ] [/quote]

So single adults who never married and are without children are abnormal now?

[quote=az0000000]Believe me, no bigotry and hatred here, at least from my side 8)[/quote]

uhhhh....

[quote=az0000000]It is a known fact. Sexual disaster leaded to total disaster

I think homosexuality is a serious disease

First they should leave all in one place. On some island or so. And they need to go through deep healing process

Abnormal is to dig your penis into someone's ass. And it was always abnormal. Society always considered that idiotic

Gays are bringing on the social chaos.[/quote]

...you sure about that?

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Well, i kinda came to an end of my disire to claim anything more. Please agree with me, this talk may never end. So let's just leave it in peace.

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Can't say I'll agree with you, but I certainly respect your opinion. Just different views on a loaded topic, 'tis all.

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Cheers than! :D

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[quote=sono]:lol: , and.....? :what

Romans were no role models, any society is no role model which is my point. Just because they accepted gays doesn't mean it is right.[/quote]

Really... so your not saying the Romans or mainly for the sake of the argument Greeks helped influence are current technology and art in a good way. In my opinion I think your wrong. Maybe some of that "gayness" or as you would call it a "disease" helped influence are culture in a good way.

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[quote=az0000000]Hey dude, Do you have idea why the Great Powerful Roman Empire was conquered by a bunch of unorganized tribes? What the fundamental reason? It is a known fact. Sexual disaster leaded to total disaster of their famous, stable social system they had. So those losers Roman Empire gays weren’t cool at all :lol: [/quote]

I don't believe the fall of the Roman Empire was due to sexual disasters. I think it had more to do with strecthing there army to thin and not being able to replenish their numbers. Also some major battle losses had a few things to do with it. I'm curious what sexual orientation had to do with the downfall of Rome... who controlled most of the known world at that time? Your saying it being a known fact of sexual orientation being the downfall of Rome doesn't mean much unless you can back that up with statistics, or actual factual information. Sorry I'm a little slow and the obvious is not so obvious in this case... Your input would be appreciated.

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Sorry, i got over it mate. But if ya really want, we could create a thread titled "Sexual Immorality in Roman Empire and Empire's failing":)

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No, you can simply post that info in here. I'd like to see it too. And as I said, that empire has been around longer than your country (and mine) as a state.

If not, I'm gonna lock this thread because honestly I'm getting sick of listening to the most ridiculous arguments against gay people. Wether you like the mor not is your own business, but I do have a problem with this kind of bullshit being spewed around. If you are one to deny other people basic respectful treatment because of a difference in lifestyle or looks, you're not worth being treated like that yourself.

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[quote=Yao]No, you can simply post that info in here. I'd like to see it too.[/quote] Ok, if you insist; i can continue; however i feel we will not come to a common point on that. All words that where brought into this thread could be summarised to one simple question, for a man fu**cking with another man is good or is it bad? Seems like you and me, we have different criteria of good and evil. If so, we will not come to a common conclusion. I don't know where you have your view on good and evil from, my view relies on such fundamental concepts like: Man isn't an intelligent monkey. We were created. Our existence has a certain clear purpose. The creator's idea for man's sexual organ is to meet women's sexual organ. This is the best way to reach happiness. The creator's idea for human ass was to let the shit out. Further, make your conclusions, is being gay normal or abnormal. Now about Roman Empire. When an army would loose the war? If some external factors would preclude that army from wining that war. For example German army lost the Second World War because such external factors like Russian frost and people's fatigue restrained them from wining. Roman Empire army was well feed and rested so it wasn't the reason to loose the war. Besides it was very numerous. Why than? There was another factor. At that time sexual immorality in Roman Empire was at its peak. The emperor himself was quite busy with incest. Remember "The Gladiator" movie, she was his own sister. He was thinking that to win the crowd he would have to give them only entertainment and food. Sexual chaos [especially homo type relationships, the biggest problem in the army] totally decayed army's discipline. So, they lost the war. [B][COLOR=red]Remember i did not want to continue this talk. ;) [/COLOR][/B]

[quote=Yao] as I said, that empire has been around longer than your country (and mine) as a state.[/quote] How long lasted the Roman Empire? My country exists more than 1500 years. :what [quote=Yao]If you are one to deny other people basic respectful treatment because of a difference in lifestyle or looks, you're not worth being treated like that yourself.[/quote] I do respect man as human even if he is gay, as long as he behaves as man. I only don?t respect this sexual orientation because I consider it wrong. One serious point: Being gay is not lifestyle or look; it is a sexual disorientation due to person?s troubles on spiritual and psychological level.

p.s. I don't want to offend you, or anyone else, but i cherish my own opinion, life view, etc. :)

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This thread is going to get real ugly real quick.

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he's locking it because he can't argue his case.

and when he tries to argue, he contradicts himself. Oh and by the way, going by your logic, murderers have been around for thousands of years that means we should respect them right?

and how on earth did you come to the conclusion that the earth is over-populated?? how can you even measure such a thing? lol

There can never be such a thing as overpopulation in a world where ample resources exist to feed every new person -- but those resources are held idle, or devoted to frivolous uses. The miserable conditions that are misnamed "overpopulation" today are the result of poverty, not its cause.

Seriously, is some member of your family 'gay'? is that why you're coming up with those weird theories to justify his/her behaviour? :lol:

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I just saw this thread and edited the subject.... no personal insults please.... leave it like a healthy discussion...

thanks

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[quote=sono]he's locking it because he can't argue his case.

and when he tries to argue, he contradicts himself. Oh and by the way, going by your logic, murderers have been around for thousands of years that means we should respect them right?

and how on earth did you come to the conclusion that the earth is over-populated?? how can you even measure such a thing? lol

There can never be such a thing as overpopulation in a world where ample resources exist to feed every new person -- but those resources are held idle, or devoted to frivolous uses. The miserable conditions that are misnamed "overpopulation" today are the result of poverty, not its cause.

Seriously, is some member of your family 'gay'? is that why you're coming up with those weird theories to justify his/her behaviour? :lol:[/quote]

Nope, and neither am I contradicting myself. I also didn't say the earth was over-populated, read my posts. All I did was point out a few scientific possibilities, but somehow you seem to put those as my opinions. Great work there.

Overpopulation is a relative thing, and in that sense can vary from place to place. I'm not saying it's the truth, although it doesn't sound quite illogical to me either. To get back at you though: in this whole thread you've done nothing but post some rhetoric yourself, no facts or truths, nothing of that. You've proven exactly dick. Just like that idiotic comparison you're making with murderers, way to go bro, that's usually a tactic for 80- IQ persons. Since when are Gay people equal to murderers? You must pretty desperate to come up with thoughts like that. (just using the same tactic here as you did, it's pretty easy discussing this way I gotta say, maybe I should do it more often)

We are fighting over opinions here, and there's no proof for either of the theories anyway: no-one's gonna end up convincing the other here of his being right. And in addition to that you are insulting another group of people, which irritates me. We had the same thing recently with some firm believer telling all non-religious people here they were 'wrong'. That pisses people off, making yourself the standard and measuring everything else by it.

Last but not least: yes i know a few gay people, and every single one of them is a better person that you so far: at least they accept other people with their differences, in all their varieties. This world would be a fucking boring place if you had your way.

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[quote=az0000000] Normal is to have sex with women. [/quote] Wrong! Maybe for you that's normal, but it certainly isn't for me.

[quote=az0000000] Normal is to fall in love with opposite sex. [/quote] Again, wrong. For many hundreds of millions of humans on this planet normal is falling in love with members of the same sex

[quote=az0000000] To have wife and family and kids actually [I’d go as far as that in my affirmations, why not? :) ] [/quote] Again wrong. What about those millions of men and woman who chose not to have relationships and not to procreate. Are you saying they are not normal?

[quote=az0000000] Abnormal is to dig your penis into someone's ass. [/quote] You do realise that a high proportion of heterosexuals also enjoy anal penetrative sex. My female heterosexual flatemate likes a nice large cock up her ass from time to time - especially when she's on her period.

[quote=az0000000] Believe me, no bigotry and hatred here, at least from my side 8)[/quote] Debateable but i will give you the benefit of the doubt. . .

The bottom line here az0000000 is what and who you define as normal.

I define, where human sexuality is concerned anyhow, that any act carried out by two consenting adults to be normal forms of human sexuality. So you don't get off on eating shit, neither do i, but i've met people who do. For them its part and parcel of normal sex. The same goes for those who are into piss.

Normal must and can only be self defining. I won't judge your sexual behaviour if you don't judge mine. Just cos i get off with guys doesn't mean you have to, and vis a versa.

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[quote=davetlv]My female heterosexual flatemate likes a nice large cock up her ass from time to time - especially when she's on her period.[/quote]

Viva La FlatMate :shock:

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[quote=Kamal]Viva La FlatMate :shock:[/quote]

lol she'll kill me if she knows i said that!!!!:twisted:

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seriously, quote of the month dave. good job, im flying over next week.

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[quote=Yao]Nope, and neither am I contradicting myself. I also didn't say the earth was over-populated, read my posts. All I did was point out a few scientific possibilities, but somehow you seem to put those as my opinions. Great work there.

Overpopulation is a relative thing, and in that sense can vary from place to place. I'm not saying it's the truth, although it doesn't sound quite illogical to me either. To get back at you though: in this whole thread you've done nothing but post some rhetoric yourself, no facts or truths, nothing of that. You've proven exactly dick. Just like that idiotic comparison you're making with murderers, way to go bro, that's usually a tactic for 80- IQ persons. Since when are Gay people equal to murderers? You must pretty desperate to come up with thoughts like that. (just using the same tactic here as you did, it's pretty easy discussing this way I gotta say, maybe I should do it more often)

We are fighting over opinions here, and there's no proof for either of the theories anyway: no-one's gonna end up convincing the other here of his being right. And in addition to that you are insulting another group of people, which irritates me. We had the same thing recently with some firm believer telling all non-religious people here they were 'wrong'. That pisses people off, making yourself the standard and measuring everything else by it.

Last but not least: yes i know a few gay people, and every single one of them is a better person that you so far: at least they accept other people with their differences, in all their varieties. This world would be a fucking boring place if you had your way.[/quote]

this is going round in circles, we'll just have to agree to disagree.:|

I presented my opinion, this doesn't mean i'm going to hurt anyone, please don't misinterpret what i said. Also, to present an opinion doesn't mean i want to enforce it upon someone, everyone is free to choose their way of life. My argument is one should be able to question their actions if one doesn't think it's right.

We should be able to debate things on this board. Sometimes people will get offended, sometimes they will agree. If you want this message board to have one opinion, one point of view then there's no point talking about anything.

I'm not on a life mission to prove you wrong, you can disagree at the end of the day and time will tell what this issue brings in the future.

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seriously, who gives a shit? just because some ppl hate gays doesnt mean dave is gonna go get engaged to a woman, and the world is gonna suddenly seal up the ozone, all guns stop working and everyone hugs. and if nathan lane takes it up the ass tonight, the earths core isnt going to explode

you go eat one for the haters dave, if only outta spite.

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[quote=sono]this is going round in circles, we'll just have to agree to disagree.:|

I presented my opinion, this doesn't mean i'm going to hurt anyone, please don't misinterpret what i said. Also, to present an opinion doesn't mean i want to enforce it upon someone, everyone is free to choose their way of life. My argument is one should be able to question their actions if one doesn't think it's right.

We should be able to debate things on this board. Sometimes people will get offended, sometimes they will agree. If you want this message board to have one opinion, one point of view then there's no point talking about anything.

I'm not on a life mission to prove you wrong, you can disagree at the end of the day and time will tell what this issue brings in the future.[/quote] You know, I would've done that instantly if it hadn't been for this fucked up proposal:

[quote=sono]I think people should be debating whether to put homosexuals in mental clinics. Same sex sexual orientation is a disease.[/quote] Dude, if that's your opinion, fine. I'm not asking you to change it. People will be different, have always been different. It's this xenophobia that's eating me. And although an adept to the 'mental distortion' school is technically not a xenophobe, he maybe one that's trying to use a scientifical theory to make his claims legit, just like the nazi's did with their ?bermensch theory. Fuck, that would put gay people in the same category as Down Syndrome people, and retards, and disabled (by birth). And there's a whole lot of heterosexual people I'd put in that category before any of the gay people I know.

You just took the wrong damn place to say this man, a board with a few gays around (at least 2 of whom I have gotten to like over time, and one I'm still planning visit simply because he's a cool guy, and maybe to do the backdoor thing with his girlie flatmate :twisted: ) that are in general accepted here, in some cases pretty popular with the (in general pretty open-minded) crowd here too.

Is it about my opinion? Not at all, but i'll be damned if I'm gonna let someone go around here and insult other members on this board. I'm not only standing up for my friends on this board, but also for the diversity around here. If you have a problem with that, don't come here. However, if you are about respectful discussions on the edge you're more than welcome bro. We can't all be perfect (I've gotten my ass whooped a few times here too :Who: ) but it's all about [I][B]respect[/B][/I] here.

Personally, I think these guys are at least 1000 times as bad as real gay people anyway: [URL="http://www.leehotti.com"]http://www.leehotti.com[/URL]

Now that is mind-boggling behaviour. Gay kids in full denial :D

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[quote=davetlv]My female heterosexual flatemate likes a nice large cock up her ass from time to time - especially when she's on her period. [/quote]

that is definately the quote of the year and the year has just started. :lol:

i once heard it like this. "if the front door has wet red paint, go around to the back door."

as for the topic live and let live....

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Damn I always show up late to the good ones! I think BSully828 has already covered some of the stuff I was going to but here's some more food for thought:

[quote="az0000000"]Sorry, but here you are very wrong. What is normal today was normal 2000 years ago and will be normal forever. Normal is to have sex with women. Normal is to fall in love with opposite sex. To have wife and family and kids actually [I?d go as far as that in my affirmations, why not? :) ] Abnormal is to dig your penis into someone's ass. And it was always abnormal. Society always considered that idiotic. Doesn?t matter if we were created or came from monkeys, some concrete moral-ethical principles were established long time ago. As humans we need those principles to survive and have happy life. From this matter gays are bringing on the social chaos.[/quote] 2000 years ago it was also considered normal for 29y/o to sleep with 12y/o's, today we call that pediophelia. Normal does not always mean right. As Yao mentioned, it is based on sociatial beliefs. Its the same reason some cultures believe its ok to eat other human beings.

[quote="az0000000"]Ok, if you insist; i can continue; however i feel we will not come to a common point on that. All words that where brought into this thread could be summarised to one simple question, for a man fu**cking with another man is good or is it bad? Seems like you and me, we have different criteria of good and evil. If so, we will not come to a common conclusion. I don't know where you have your view on good and evil from, my view relies on such fundamental concepts like: Man isn't an intelligent monkey. We were created. Our existence has a certain clear purpose. The creator's idea for man's sexual organ is to meet women's sexual organ. This is the best way to reach happiness. The creator's idea for human ass was to let the shit out. Further, make your conclusions, is being gay normal or abnormal. [/quote] I thought this comment was especially interesting. You bring God, or a creator or what ever you want to call it into this. In the words of Wayne Dyer: "we are spiritual beings living a physical experience", not the other way around. Once we die our souls don't have sex organs, so in the grand scheme of things what difference does it make? Try to think at the level of this higher power, does it [I]really[/I] matter? This God doesen't even present himself in a physical realm yet you equate everything right and wrong to it.

[quote="az0000000"]This is the best way to reach happiness.[/quote] Your not serious, are you? If thats the case then why do 50% of marriages [in the US] end in divorce? Everyone straight should be soooo happy. I would be willing to bet gay unions actually have a much higher success rate. Somehow I don't think love (or lust in some cases) is exclusive to couples with sex organs that oppose each other.

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where's Poto when you need him :p

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[quote=Kamal]where's Poto when you need him :p[/quote]

Taking it up the ass like i real man no doubt! :lol:

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maybe he's partying it out with your roomie ;)

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[quote=Kamal]maybe he's partying it out with your roomie ;)[/quote]

Well she has been missing for the past 24 hours. . . . and the communal lube seems to be missing. . . . ;)

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[quote=neoee]years ago it was also considered normal for 29y/o to sleep with 12y/o's, today we call that pediophelia...[/quote] Blah-blah-blah... :D I thought this thread was closet! :lol: Seems like the show goes on :( and quite hot :) [COLOR=white]Guys, common, shouldn't we stop? I know those of you that are gay or lesbian, and those that stand for these sexual disorientations will not ever give up, especially because this is a simple forum discussion. So why continue? Give me a reason.[/COLOR] [COLOR=white][/COLOR] [COLOR=white]Still i have one question for those who stand for irregular sexual behaviour. [Your fault, i wanted to stop here :lol: ][/COLOR] [COLOR=white]When you child [if you will adopt one or whatever] will grow a bit and ask you: "Hey parents, how come i have two fathers, no mother but all my schoolmates have a one father and one mother? I think a want a mother as well..." What will you answer? Will you start explaining how normal is to be gay? Or perhaps you will try to influence your child's sexual orientation so he/she will adapt same sexual disorientation you have? What if child of lesbians will say he/she wants a father too, like everybody else around him, not just two mothers?[/COLOR]

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^^^ Believe it or not there's people today... yes today, that have to deal with that. Some even have children that are now successful adults! I would be willing to bet there are even books written to help deal with this. After all:

[quote]There were an estimated 300,000 to 500,000 gay and lesbian biological parents in 1976. In 1990, an estimated 6 to 14 million children have a gay or lesbian parent. Between 8 and 10 million children are being raised in a gay and lesbian household.[/quote]

In regards to parenting, you put too much stock into sexual orientation. Its all about different views, balance and the ability to communicate. Gay parents can play the same roles as hetro parents. Some studies even indicate the children have advantages growing up in a gay household.

It might be sexual attraction that brings people together but after some time people become partners that learn to rely on each other. I'm sure you've heard the jokes about sex after marriage, the same likely happens for gay couples as well.

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who gives a fuck, there are more important issues in the world, being gay only affects one or two people...