Yikes! I didn't understand any of the implications until now to be honest, and I hope things can be turned around as suggested.

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Just waiting for Trump to get elected and there will be fun times ahead.

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[url="http://mashable.com/2016/06/24/trump-tweet-brexit/?utm_cid=mash-com-fb-uk-link#k9HgBxHaXsqx"]Donald Trump’s first tweet about Brexit got shut down immediately[/url]

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well is any of it positive?

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Really don´t see any good on this.. maybe for some group of people with an archaisch vision of the world..

Someone will pay the cost of this new reality and it certainly won't be the rich people.

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Amazing how far apart opinions are on this, may are saying this is a huge win for democracy.

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[QUOTE=AchtungBaby!;1187580]Really don´t see any good on this.. maybe for some group of people with an archaisch vision of the world..

Someone will pay the cost of this new reality and it certainly won't be the rich people.[/QUOTE]

Because the country has loads of racists that are also lazy. They resent foreigners coming in stealing their jobs, because the foreigners work hard and are also ambitious.

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but what's gonna happen to all the old folks who retired to spain? strange the expats couldn't vote either.

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the uk ( ha thats a fucking joke...UK ) has just committed suicide, i'd particularly like to thank the over 65 year olds who swung the vote with their golden pensions and everything else that has been handed to them on a plate from a time that has long gone for putting the people who are responsible for the future of this country in an uncertain position and possibly completely fucking up not just their freedom but also their future

edit: actually different news sources are reporting different facts, here are some stats [url="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028"]EU referendum: The result in maps and charts - BBC News[/url]

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[QUOTE=tiddles;1187597]but what's gonna happen to all the old folks who retired to spain? strange the expats couldn't vote either.[/QUOTE]

expats got a postal vote, as for what happens to them no one is really sure of that just now as it will be part of the discussion when we start discussing an exit strategy with the european union

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so then comments like these are all rubbish I take it?

[COLOR=#d3d3d3][FONT=helvetica][FONT=inherit]It's time for the EU to accept the critics and change. [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]The answer should be a more democratic EU, not sanctions against Russia, mass immigration, visa-free travel for Turks and all the rest of the globalist/do-gooders agenda. [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]Time to learn a lesson a[FONT=inherit]nd improve. [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]Failing to do so will just make the EU further implode. [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]Democracy means doing what the peoples of Europe want, not what the globalist élites want. [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]:)[/FONT][/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]Time to finally change.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1187604]so then comments like these are all rubbish I take it?

[COLOR=#d3d3d3][FONT=helvetica][FONT=inherit]It's time for the EU to accept the critics and change. [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]The answer should be a more democratic EU, not sanctions against Russia, mass immigration, visa-free travel for Turks and all the rest of the globalist/do-gooders agenda. [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]Time to learn a lesson a[FONT=inherit]nd improve. [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]Failing to do so will just make the EU further implode. [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]Democracy means doing what the peoples of Europe want, not what the globalist élites want. [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]:)[/FONT][/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]Time to finally change.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

on a global market britain doesn't have much to offer as we already import much of our produce, britain no longer is a global leader in industry, small businesses had a greater chance of growing when they were in europe because being part of the free market meant that things like a countries rules and regulations toward produce produced had to only follow one set of rules between 28 countries, now things have changed which favors bigger business because they are the only ones that can potentially afford to set up production lines in each country to abide by that country's own rules and sell products within that country, even big business will feel the strain because setting up that line costs most which will hike up prices of these good in an already competitive market, no matter what you think about elitists etc business is the back bone to the economy as it creates jobs and pays into the system, with many jobs in the UK relying on exporting goods to the EU in this way they are just back to square one and i,ll use google as an example of how great big business is when it comes to avoid paying taxes, a swing towards big business could potentially mean a swing to a higher tax rate for the common hard working man as they need to balance the books

edit : went on a rant after reading your post wrong :lol: let me address it

britain was in the top 3 players in the EU, it's influence was massive when it came to deciding things, now the situation is we still want to do business within those countries which means we have to abide by it's rules but we have just given up the right to influence what those rules are

immigration was a hard sell for the leave campaign, "were too full" etc etc but the truth is the only area's that are over populated are those area's that are desirable for everyone to work i.e. london, the rest of the country is not only cheaper to live and work in but its mainly also fucking empty and with more than half of all migrants being from outside the eu how does that help ? another part of doing a trade deal with europe will be the fact that we have to potentially agree to the free movement of european people across our so called "controlled border".... how is this going to help the so called immigration problem, the controlled border was a hard sell by the leave campaign, if we want to do business with the biggest market in the world we have to abide by the rules and unfortunately that market is europe... also to be part of that market we will also have to pay a membership fee which more or less cancels out the money we were promised would be saved each week by the leave campaign

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old people live in a utopia where their lives happened when britain was this great wonderful leader on the global market, those days are long gone and we're not going to return to them as we have out priced ourselves and can't compete with the likes of china

the leave campaign painted its campaign as this great answer to every problem the UK had and people fell for it big time

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1187604]so then comments like these are all rubbish I take it?

[COLOR=#d3d3d3][FONT=helvetica][FONT=inherit]It's time for the EU to accept the critics and change. [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]The answer should be a more democratic EU, not sanctions against Russia, mass immigration, visa-free travel for Turks and all the rest of the globalist/do-gooders agenda. [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]Time to learn a lesson a[FONT=inherit]nd improve. [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]Failing to do so will just make the EU further implode. [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]Democracy means doing what the peoples of Europe want, not what the globalist élites want. [FONT=inherit][FONT=inherit]:)[/FONT][/FONT] [/FONT] [FONT=inherit]Time to finally change.[/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Not sure what you are quoting but that's some dangerous thing to give entity ...

There are a lot of lagging people in the world.. being from the third world, i can assure there are truly a lot.. what the world will do with these people? They born quickier than you think. Exponentially.

Don't take for granted what people think what is the best for them.. Its very complex

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Am I the only one who actually thinks this is a good thing? I mean, being a rich member of the EU basically means: You pay a lot of money to the EU, and in return Brussels tells you what to do. :(

The UK is free now. :lol: Congratulations!

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1187571]I'd say congrats, as an American it seems like a good thing, but what do our European members think?[/QUOTE]

It's a terrible thing !! I am getting from people there that they are expecting a recession. It is going to have massive consequences economically :(

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[QUOTE=♫♫♫♫♫♫;1187595]Because the country has loads of racists that are also lazy. They resent foreigners coming in stealing their jobs, because the foreigners work hard and are also ambitious.[/QUOTE]

Now a lot won't have jobs . I'm sure they will be happier and hey it was democratic. The best summing up I have seen was on a Aussie satirical site .

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[QUOTE=AchtungBaby!;1187610]Not sure what you are quoting but that's some dangerous thing to give entity ...

There are a lot of lagging people in the world.. being from the third world, i can assure there are truly a lot.. what the world will do with these people? They born quickier than you think. Exponentially.

Don't take for granted what people think what is the best for them.. Its very complex[/QUOTE] Well said. People are inclined to be aspirational., they want to believe they are moving up in the world . Consequently they support what they aspire to rather than what they are.

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;1187608]old people live in a utopia where their lives happened when britain was this great wonderful leader on the global market, those days are long gone and we're not going to return to them as we have out priced ourselves and can't compete with the likes of china

the leave campaign painted its campaign as this great answer to every problem the UK had and people fell for it big time[/QUOTE]

Well said and I think you're right to a large degree

It doesn't bode well for the average fiend who will most likely suffer financially

It will also complicate trade between the North and South of Ireland

A lot depends on the exit deal ;)

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[QUOTE=barski;1187619]Am I the only one who actually thinks this is a good thing? I mean, being a rich member of the EU basically means: You pay a lot of money to the EU, and in return Brussels tells you what to do. :(

The UK is free now. :lol: Congratulations![/QUOTE]

we got far more back in returns than we paid into the system plus the fact that brussels told us what to do was kind of a myth as the UK had a huge influence on how it was run... watch this video

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USTypBKEd8Y"]Professor Michael Dougan on the EU Referendum - YouTube[/url]

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It will also complicate trade between the North and South of Ireland [/QUOTE]

this worries me a lot, i,m more worried about the border issue with regards to the peace process than i am about the trading as it was key in the whole thing

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It was funny listening to people complaining about immigration, when they were never affected by it on a personal level at all.

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[QUOTE=barski;1187619]Am I the only one who actually thinks this is a good thing? I mean, being a rich member of the EU basically means: You pay a lot of money to the EU, and in return Brussels tells you what to do. :(

The UK is free now. :lol: Congratulations![/QUOTE]

One way or another, RICH people / country / company and so on, more likely don't do what others in inferior position tells them to do. Visibly or invisibly, rich ones always win in the end. Thats how the world we are living works and definitely does not look like its going to change in the near future.

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[QUOTE=Micko;1187632]

It doesn't bode well for the average fiend who will most likely suffer financially

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First couple of years will be difficult economically and financially. The sense of a brighter future for the mid class and poor people will be the key imo... Changes arent easy most of the times and this is a helluva change

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I see now, so basically there's a "united we stand, divided we fall" feeling about it from most MS members? Makes sense.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1187648]I see now, so basically there's a "united we stand, divided we fall" feeling about it from most MS members? Makes sense.[/QUOTE]

There is no such thing. Take your head out of your bum.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1187648]I see now, so basically there's a "united we stand, divided we fall" feeling about it from most MS members? Makes sense.[/QUOTE]

Besides the tangible economic difficulties for at least the first couple of years, the most dangerous side of this process is that is globally growing this false sense of nationalism and protectionism (on a grotesque scale, Trump) that ultimately shows xenophobia and racism..

I dont see it like "united we stand, divided we fall" .. i see it more like "go away (inmigrants) because you´re making me fall apart ".. Selfish but most importantly, wrong perception if you ask.

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[QUOTE=AchtungBaby!;1187652]Besides the tangible economic difficulties for at least the first couple of years, the most dangerous side of this process is that is globally growing this false sense of nationalism and protectionism (on a grotesque scale, Trump) that ultimately shows xenophobia and racism..

I dont see it like "united we stand, divided we fall" .. i see it more like "go away (inmigrants) because you´re making me fall apart ".. Selfish but most importantly, wrong perception if you ask.[/QUOTE]

immigration was a hard selling point that the leave campaign pushed hard, it appealed to the miss informed and uneducated massively, the problem is not migration as migration usually is people of fit working age who come here to work and contribute to society the problem is business has caught onto the fact it can make more profit by offering these people lower wages than they would a british national, most spunk trumpets will shout the slogan "british jobs for british workers" without realizing this then go onto tell you that if we take control of everything we'll suddenly compete with the likes of china on the world stage, its just not going to happen... we've already completely out priced ourselves out that kind of competition.....if you went to another country and couldn't find work there what would you do ? personally i would go home

i,m completely sickened at the way this country is going on the politics side of things, its starting to become seriously far right wing, now they want to control the border with a point style system like australia has, not going to happen, to do business within the EU you will have to agree to the free movement of european nationals across the border, this has been proven as countries that are not in the european union that still trade with the EU have to agree to this.... what makes britain so special that we wouldn't have to agree to the same, thats right, NOTHING... we just gave up our democratic rights to influence those kind of rules within europe, basically were about to be fucked in the ass for doing so.

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sorry musical notes, your responses are stuck on ignore mode, must be a glitch in the system.

@ [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/member.php?30174-AchtungBaby!"]AchtungBaby![/URL][COLOR=#EEEEEE] [/COLOR] I meant that it seems most members here would prefer that the UK stay with the eu, and that the division is counterproductive.

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[QUOTE=Claire Taurus;1187642]It was funny listening to people complaining about immigration, when they were never affected by it on a personal level at all.[/QUOTE] They are but in a good way. :lol:

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;1187662]immigration was a hard selling point that the leave campaign pushed hard, it appealed to the miss informed and uneducated massively, the problem is not migration as migration usually is people of fit working age who come here to work and contribute to society the problem is business has caught onto the fact it can make more profit by offering these people lower wages than they would a british national, most spunk trumpets will shout the slogan "british jobs for british workers" without realizing this then go onto tell you that if we take control of everything we'll suddenly compete with the likes of china on the world stage, its just not going to happen... we've already completely out priced ourselves out that kind of competition.....if you went to another country and couldn't find work there what would you do ? personally i would go home

i,m completely sickened at the way this country is going on the politics side of things, its starting to become seriously far right wing, now they want to control the border with a point style system like australia has, not going to happen, to do business within the EU you will have to agree to the free movement of european nationals across the border, this has been proven as countries that are not in the european union that still trade with the EU have to agree to this.... what makes britain so special that we wouldn't have to agree to the same, thats right, NOTHING... we just gave up our democratic rights to influence those kind of rules within europe, basically were about to be fucked in the ass for doing so.[/QUOTE]

Thank you . I find it so sad that Australia seems to be most known most for it's awful immigration /refugee policies. Plus the lies that American politicians spout about the results of our gun laws. Our gun laws work WORK! !!

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[QUOTE=DIDI;1187672]Thank you . I find it so sad that Australia seems to be most known most for it's awful immigration /refugee policies. Plus the lies that American politicians spout about the results of our gun laws. Our gun laws work WORK! !![/QUOTE]

the most worrying thing about this whole situation is things like the following is on the rise, people have really shown their true colors in the past couple of days, i was completely disillusioned when i thought i lived in a progressive open minded country.

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This article in The Guardian is a perfect example of why it is soooo very stupid :(

[url="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+AUS+v1+-+AUS+morning+mail+callout&utm_term=179158&subid=7395359&CMP=ema_632"]View from Wales: town showered with EU cash votes to leave EU | UK news | The Guardian[/url]

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[video=youtube;c0Lpo5Y-NPg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0Lpo5Y-NPg[/video]

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[QUOTE=Claire Taurus;1187642]It was funny listening to people complaining about immigration, when they were never affected by it on a personal level at all.[/QUOTE]

But they will be complaining when the value of their house drops, the interest rate forces the monthly mortgage up and they realise that the 350 million that was going to Brussels had no affect them what so ever.

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[QUOTE=Donny Concrete;1187682][video=youtube;c0Lpo5Y-NPg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0Lpo5Y-NPg[/video][/QUOTE]

hate to burst your bubble but that is fake... she's an actor

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[QUOTE=DIDI;1187678]This article in The Guardian is a perfect example of why it is soooo very stupid :(

[URL="https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jun/25/view-wales-town-showered-eu-cash-votes-leave-ebbw-vale?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+AUS+v1+-+AUS+morning+mail+callout&utm_term=179158&subid=7395359&CMP=ema_632"]View from Wales: town showered with EU cash votes to leave EU | UK news | The Guardian[/URL][/QUOTE]

yea many councils that were in favor of leave are now contacting the government asking if they are going to promise to fill the gap in the budget due to the now non existent EU funding, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

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[QUOTE=♫♫♫♫♫♫;1187685]the 350 million that was going to Brussels [/QUOTE]

350 million a week was a misleading figure and shows you just how the leave campaign conducted itself over the whole campaign, the figure was more like 161 million which is still a lot of money but what we got back far outweighed the cost, farage goes on about how we save 10B a year now and that goes into the budget but when you consider overall expenditure per year and that this will have to be spread across the whole of the country its hardly this huge dent that is going to save britain

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[QUOTE=thebanned1;1187687]hate to burst your bubble but that is fake... she's an actor[/QUOTE]

You don't say....