Any chance we can discuss the current happenings in the Middle East right now?

Apparently ISIS has strongly recruited Muslims from the West...which makes me wonder how many of them are under cover FBI agents? Also, do you believe that ISIS poses a stronger threat to the West than Al Qaeda?

[URL="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-08-15/islamic-state-said-to-challenge-al-qaeda-for-leadership.html"]Islamic State Challenging Al-Qaeda for Leadership - Bloomberg[/URL]

[video=youtube;AUjHb4C7b94]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjHb4C7b94&list=UUZaT_X_mc0BI-djXOlfhqWQ[/video]

Thought this was an interesting comment:

[COLOR=#d3d3d3][QUOTE][FONT=Helvetica Neue]Let me make it clear: ISIS is a Khawarij organisation. These are people who claim to be Islamic but they avoid fighting Al-Assad's army (because they are cowards) and attack Muslim towns and behead their Muslim leaders in the most gruesome manner. In the time after Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) the Khawarij at that time took pleasure in killing Muslims. They find the most flimsy of an excuse and in the process ignore the Qur'an. In our Holy Book The Almighty declares: There is NO compulsion in religion, and also, "to you your religion and to me mine". This clearly means we are not allowed to kill non-Muslims for their faith. ISIS is a rebel gang of criminals against God's Word. It is also a fact that when the Prophet governed in Madina, the Christians of Najran came to meet him. He permitted them to perform their religious service by themselves. NO PERSECUTION, NO BRUTAL BEHEADINGS like this ISIS idiots are committing. Islam also holds the view that of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians) the Christians are the closest to us Muslims. Thank God Al-Qaeda distanced themselves from these cowards. May ISIS cowards be punished by Allah in a similar manner to what they are committing against innocent victims. The Prophet (pbuh) called the Khawarij the "dogs of the Hellfire".[/FONT][/QUOTE][/COLOR]

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I was fortunate enough to go see a talk by a former Australian Army chief Prof. Peter Leahey just this week talking about our global position on terrorism. His views are this is an inconclusive war, if you want to call it as radicalism is found everywhere within every crevice of this world, but some use it to a greater evil than good, be it for power, political/religious/monetary advantages. His comments had some logic behind it, he stated that to the west terrorism will always be a issue, but the unrest in Islam will never end, has been for the past millennial. Momentum ISIS is gaining will probably lead to Obama requiring to send further diplomacy, how this is done is going to be interesting. Eventually, this could lead to a presidential debate for 2016.

Their prophecies of barbaric accustoms have been inherent through generations, and it still baffles me personally on how people claim a better sect within a monotheistic religion. You cannot conclude that ISIS is an immediate threat to western communities, irrespective of its funding and attraction from western countries, but to be clear about the Western attraction, I don't get this, if an individual has converted or had always had a faith in a certain religion and leaves to fight for his religion, what does this have to do with where a person is from?

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But again, this is pretty dangerous [url="http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/14/uk-britain-arms-supply-kurdish-forces-iraq-isis"]UK prepares to supply arms directly to Kurdish forces fighting Isis | World news | The Guardian [/url]

So you have to again wonder, there is no chance of ending this.

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[URL="http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/20/us/james-foley-life/index.html?hpt=hp_c2"]James Foley remembered as 'brave and tireless' - CNN.com

[/URL]There's a video floating around of the actual beheading, I couldn't bring myself to watch it though. We need to wipe these fuckers off the face of the earth.

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As shocking as the execution was, is it more or less shocking than the execution of Mike Brown in St Louis ?

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they are both sad. one is on video, the other is not really proven exactly, right?

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So the shock value depends upon the way the information is presented to you?

ps. Did you mean heresy or hearsay?

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I revised my post, because both are terrible. But I tend to trust cops with guns more than Isis with knives who behead people. So therefore the latter is more shocking to me. If that's not very "Euro" that's because I'm American.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1137809]I revised my post, because both are terrible. But I tend to trust cops with guns more than Isis with knives who behead people. So therefore the latter is more shocking to me. If that's not very "Euro" that's because I'm American.[/QUOTE]

I'll quote you this time then, in case you do another sneaky edit :)

You trust cops with guns? You should in theory, they are public servants whose primary function is to protect the innocent. With that in mind, do you find it more or less shocking when those same officers execute an unarmed civilian compared to when an American (nationality is irrelevant, i'm only saying that because you did - twice) journalist is killed overseas.. in a country where the US/UK war machine is responsible for so much of what is wrong

Your post before you edited it said "American journalist" and gave the impression that had some relevance. What if the poor guy had been from somewhere else, how would that affect your opinion of events?

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Mike Brown robbed a convenient store 30mins before the officer stopped him. He's hardly innocent. Have you even read the true reports of what happened or are you just following along with the rest of the sheep?

Regardless, it's still a tragic incident that could've been avoided. All he had to do was comply with the officer's commands of not walking in the middle of the street and get on the sidewalk. But no, he had to mouth off, disobey, and get physical with the officer.

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1137826]Mike Brown robbed a convenient store 30mins before the officer stopped him. He's hardly innocent. Have you even read the true reports of what happened or are you just following along with the rest of the sheep?[/QUOTE]

I guess everyone would claim their report to be true. So, perhaps there's more than one herd of sheep?

The police admitted the officer who shot him knew nothing of the alleged robbery, not to say that would justify 6 bullets if he did

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You're right, the officer had no idea of the robbery. It was a routine stop to get he and his friend to stop walking in the middle of the street. Escalated quickly apparently.

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[url="http://www.bestgore.com/brain-fart/japan-fsa-mercenary-captured-islamic-state-aleppo-syria/"]Japanese FSA Mercenary Captured by the Islamic State in Aleppo, Syria | Best Gore[/url]

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ok ISIS is real we funded them they have our weapons we know they kill and behead women and children, but this james foley shit is fucking fake as fuck, you can't tell me your ok with just getting your head cut off and being pissed off at the US govt and your brother in the USAF who bombed "those people" wtf those people again....2 fucking camera angles......why don't they show the actual cutting of the head off.....fake fake fake

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[url="http://edge.liveleak.com/80281E/u/u/temp.html?i=bc1_1408481278"]LiveLeak.com - ISIS beheading American James Wright Foley[/url]

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[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xJLLTsQZMs&bpctr=1408596705"]James Wright Foley Beheading HOAX? Parents = CRISIS ACTORS? - YouTube[/url]

no proof of killing plain and simple keep believing everything the tv says about all muslims are bad

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1137826]Mike Brown robbed a convenient store 30mins before the officer stopped him. He's hardly innocent. Have you even read the true reports of what happened or are you just following along with the rest of the sheep?[/QUOTE]

Seems like you may have some reading to catch up on, before falsifying others. [url="http://www.popehat.com/2014/08/17/lawsplainer-how-mike-browns-alleged-robbery-of-a-liquor-store-matters-and-how-it-doesnt/"]Lawsplainer: How Mike Brown's Alleged Robbery Of A Liquor Store Matters, And How It Doesn't | Popehat[/url]

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I just love how the western media makes headlines, alarming us because '[I]one of us[/I]' got beheaded, as opposed to the AFP releasing numbers from June as to:

[QUOTE]1,393 civilians, 380 soldiers and 149 policemen among the dead. Another 2,610 people were wounded, the majority of them civilians.[/QUOTE]

Ahh yes, time to bomb the fuck out of them.

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Furthermore, for those of us who bear reading past headlines: [url="http://www.lawfareblog.com/2014/07/the-foreign-policy-essay-calculated-caliphate/"]Lawfare The Foreign Policy Essay: Calculated Caliphate[/url]

Additionally, an interesting take on the recent beheading: [url="http://www.smh.com.au/world/brutal-beheading-of-james-foley-an-attempt-to-provoke-ground-invasion-of-iraq-and-syria-20140820-1068ig.html?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=nc&eid=socialn%3Afac-13omn1676-edtrl-other%3Annn-17%2F02%2F2014-edtrs_socialshare-all-nnn-nnn-vars-o"]Brutal beheading of James Foley an attempt to provoke ground invasion of Iraq and Syria[/url]

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So I'll be reposting headlines in another four or so years. Might think of writing an article titled [I]The Cyclical Caliphate.[/I]

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[QUOTE=sakio pod;1137876]ok ISIS is real we funded them they have our weapons we know they kill and behead women and children, but this james foley shit is fucking fake as fuck, you can't tell me your ok with just getting your head cut off and being pissed off at the US govt and your brother in the USAF who bombed "those people" wtf those people again....2 fucking camera angles......why don't they show the actual cutting of the head off.....fake fake fake[/QUOTE]

:shock: wait what? why is it fake?

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1137807]they are both sad. one is on video, the other is not really proven exactly, right?[/QUOTE]

Hearsay: From what I've been told from my friend in the academy here (far from the case) as they (along with many) are studying the Michael Brown case in great detail, the officer originally stopped him and his friend because they were walking in the middle of the road, he asked them to get out of the road, they didn't, words were exchanged. The officer was left handed & one of the two men reached into the officer's car (two of them, one officer), he could have felt the guy was going for his gun, things were shouted in the scuffle & movement was made towards the officer, so it all escalated. The officer hadn't received notification he was a suspect in the burglary, he just wanted the two out of the street originally. Witnesses saw there was a scuffle with the officer while he was seated in his vehicle, but no one saw how/why the officer felt threatened.

And I didn't realize this until my friend told me, officers are all trained that if they feel threatened and required to actually shoot, they must always shoot for the torso, to kill, never the limbs to injure or stop someone because that apparently leads to all kinds of other issues. I never knew that, probably the public doesn't either. They are reacting with split-second decision making & precision. The whole thing is sad.

But, that city has had several other shooting incidents in recent years that seemed unjust also.

Anyway, it's a more complicated case than people realize -- sad all around.

In addition, specific information is being released by an anonymous watchdog group that puts officer's lives at risk before any investigation is even conducted. The media gets the information (accurate or not, an officer was once identified mistakenly & killed in another case), gives it to the public indiscriminately before completed investigations, public temperaments escalate, and more violence ensues. Information was not being released in an attempt to prevent vigilante crimes against anyone involved in the case.

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this is another staged event, all total BS....just watched the parents press conference and same thing more crisis actors fake crying NO TEARS, 45 mins of rambling BS saying we need to pray for obama. can't believe people buy this garage.

[url="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv7O3mHj-u0"]The family of James Foley holds a news conference REUTERS 8/20/2014 - YouTube[/url]

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Invade Syria Invade Syria

I can't believe some of the bullshit people buy either.

Here we go again, let's send our bravest young men to their deaths. It's fucking sick

I'd comment on the beheading video but our govt have hinted at it being an offence to watch it. Ffs

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[QUOTE=sakio pod;1137878][URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xJLLTsQZMs&bpctr=1408596705"]James Wright Foley Beheading HOAX? Parents = CRISIS ACTORS? - YouTube[/URL]

no proof of killing plain and simple keep believing everything the tv says about all muslims are bad[/QUOTE]

Nah man - don't lump me in with that group. I have several Muslim friends, one of which is staying with me for a week in Sept, after he flies to NYC from Egypt to speak on the National Day of Peace. I know the media is f*cked up buddy.

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[QUOTE=KiwiTollway;1137976]Hearsay: From what I've been told from my friend in the academy here (far from the case) as they (along with many) are studying the Michael Brown case in great detail, the officer originally stopped him and his friend because they were walking in the middle of the road, he asked them to get out of the road, they didn't, words were exchanged. The officer was left handed & one of the two men reached into the officer's car (two of them, one officer), he could have felt the guy was going for his gun, things were shouted in the scuffle & movement was made towards the officer, so it all escalated. The officer hadn't received notification he was a suspect in the burglary, he just wanted the two out of the street originally. Witnesses saw there was a scuffle with the officer while he was seated in his vehicle, but no one saw how/why the officer felt threatened.

And I didn't realize this until my friend told me, officers are all trained that if they feel threatened and required to actually shoot, they must always shoot for the torso, to kill, never the limbs to injure or stop someone because that apparently leads to all kinds of other issues. I never knew that, probably the public doesn't either. They are reacting with split-second decision making & precision. The whole thing is sad.

But, that city has had several other shooting incidents in recent years that seemed unjust also.

Anyway, it's a more complicated case than people realize -- sad all around.

In addition, specific information is being released by an anonymous watchdog group that puts officer's lives at risk before any investigation is even conducted. The media gets the information (accurate or not, an officer was once identified mistakenly & killed in another case), gives it to the public indiscriminately before completed investigations, public temperaments escalate, and more violence ensues. Information was not being released in an attempt to prevent vigilante crimes against anyone involved in the case.[/QUOTE]

Wow - thanks for sharing this

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On the Mike Brown thing: If the kid were white or the officer were black, it wouldn't be news or wouldn't have caused riots. Very sad, but very true.

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[QUOTE=sakio pod;1137876]ok ISIS is real we funded them they have our weapons we know they kill and behead women and children, but this james foley shit is fucking fake as fuck, you can't tell me your ok with just getting your head cut off and being pissed off at the US govt and your brother in the USAF who bombed "those people" wtf those people again....2 fucking camera angles......why don't they show the actual cutting of the head off.....fake fake fake[/QUOTE]

You may be on to something here...

[URL="http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2014/08/21/the-james-foley-video-is-obviously-fake/"]The James Foley Video is Obviously Fake | American Everyman[/URL]

Watch the Foley video just now. I've seen beheading videos before and they don't leave out the actual beheading part. Many other good points made in that article as well.

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1138036]On the Mike Brown thing: If the kid were white or the officer were black, it wouldn't be news or wouldn't have caused riots. Very sad, but very true.[/QUOTE]

The media is really doing everyone a disservice by sensationalizing things.... similar to how they skewed the reality of Katrina in Clint's hometown. Really really messed up.

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Hmm. Just watched the said video and I have to say I am very dubious. For someone who is about to be killed he seems very poised. That's also a very small knife to use to try and cut someone's head off, especially if they are still alive. And why would you bother reading their autocue message. He also puts up no struggle.

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Caused a good argument in the Zover household though.

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I've just watched it. Not very convincing at all

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If some dude some cunt was trying to cut your throat, wouldn't you head but the cunt or try and chew his face off?

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I have to agree with the whole parents concern. If that really happened to my child I would be absolutely devastated. Their reaction is just strange.

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Yup, surreal. So is the video.

Am I right saying there is no beheading in the video? What I watched didn't show it but I wondered if I saw an edit?? A "beheading video" without a beheading ? Hello. Whatever next? A plane crash without a plane? Anyway, let's not dwell too much on detail when there's a war to be justified, let's just get on with the bombing

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My understanding of it too was that they never showed (recorded?) that part either, in the original video. Which is strange because I could find a real beheading video in a couple of minutes with google, but not this one.

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I would imagine the intention was to shock. If so, why leave out the shocking bit?

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"You can't fool all of the people all of the time"

But if you can fool most of them, for long enough, then it doesn't matter

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[QUOTE=Zover;1138130]If some dude some cunt was trying to cut your throat, wouldn't you head but the cunt or try and chew his face off?[/QUOTE]

there is a compilation of Syrian beheadings on best gore.

A lot are ending up with the head been twisted off/hacked off due to poor cutting.

Nicolas Berg was cut off and shown in one sequence no?

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[QUOTE=Zover;1138130]If some dude some cunt was trying to cut your throat, wouldn't you head but the cunt or try and chew his face off?[/QUOTE]

true...I'd rather the fight and take a bullet to the head...says me drinking coffee at a cafe whilst on the Internet on my phone.