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The Way I See It

97 durable postsStarted 2011-11-04Latest 2011-11-20
#1565459Post 81 of 97

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Firstly the definition of Poverty in first world countries, is not based on the value a family can and will afford but rather on total income received.
HHS figures from here: [URL]http://www.irp.wisc.edu/faqs/faq1.htm[/URL] Yes obviously due to inflation and the current high unemployment rates these figure will affect most families. Thus, creating such a large figure statistically.

[QUOTE][B]The American lifestyle[/B] Being poor in America is not that bad, according a report from the conservative Heritage Foundation, which has analysed Tuesday's census data. Eighty per cent of poor households have air-conditioning, 92 per cent have a microwave, and 42 per cent of poor people own their own home. One third of poor Americans have a wide-screen plasma or LCD TV and two thirds of poor Americans have DVD players. Researcher Timothy Smeeding scoffs at this analysis. "I reckon two people at the Heritage Foundation spent more on lunch today than the cost of a DVD player," he said. "There are certain things that have become regular parts of life." Unlike much of the world, poverty in the US "does not mean living on a dollar per day". It is more like "eight dollars per person, per day", Smeeding said. Back at the food bank in Tennessee, Marcia Wells knows poor Americans still have an easier time than people in much of the world. "I certainly see that our problems seem tame when compared to abject poverty and hunger you see in other countries," she said. "But it is all relative and [food insecurity] is no less real here, in relation to the American lifestyle."

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[URL]http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/interactive/2011/09/2011915172736118705.html[/URL]

Statistically, the numbers may be alarming, and yes it predicts doom and gloom, but I have always remained a sceptic when it comes to percentages and figures released by governments. I think after the sovereignty of Europe with its useless currency things may brink on the rise. I'm certainly expecting for it.

#1565465Post 82 of 97

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Just because someone else somewhere in the world has it worse off doesn't mean it is fine to say fuck it, there is no problem. I'd love to use this type of thinking if I kill a family of 3 while driving drunk. I can say 'but I didn't kill 5 people! Whats the problem?'

#1565473Post 83 of 97

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Also lets not try and play the race card war game here with just the standard players of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. Regarding the current Herman Cain nonsense, I submit to you the female troll of all time:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Db2zz.jpg[/IMG]

If you are a white chick accusing a man, any man, with power in Washington count on her to be circling overhead like a buzzard on a fresh carcass stirring up trouble with her self righteous bullshit.

#1565491Post 84 of 97

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The divide between the rich and the poor in the US is getting out of hand. Poverty is poverty. Broke, no food, and cold. Americans won't live in shanty's Clint. They have been promised the American dream. Why would they live in a shanty if they could just go shoot someone and steal their stuff?

That is the American way.

#1565595Post 85 of 97

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The people in our country need to learn what a hard life is, then they may appreciate what they do have instead of crying about what someone else has that they want.

#1565600Post 86 of 97

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So it's ok that people with more money than God still pay less back to their country percentage-wise than the average middle-class citizen? It's not about raw numbers, its about percentages. Its all relative.

Doesn't sound right to me.

#1565636Post 87 of 97

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[I]By Morgan Housel October 28, 2011

About a year ago, The Wall Street Journal ran an article describing the plight of Americans struggling to rebuild after bankruptcy. The article highlighted Linda Frakes, who filed for bankruptcy after accumulating more than $300,000 in credit card debt.

"Ms. Frakes is now unemployed, living on $330 a week of unemployment benefits and odd jobs," the Journal wrote. Frakes "struggled to rent a home and buy a car after bankruptcy. A used-car dealer ultimately gave her financing on a Jaguar."

No one's hardship should be belittled. Becoming unemployed or losing a home aren't just financial problems. They're social and emotional problems that strike at people's sense of being.

But things always need to be kept in perspective. Only in America, I thought to myself after reading the article, can someone be driving a Jaguar and portrayed as living in an impoverished underclass. Context is crucial with these issues.

The recent Occupy Wall Street protests have aimed their message at the income disparity between the 1% richest Americans and the rest of the country. But what happens when you expand that and look at the 1% richest of the entire world? Some really interesting numbers emerge. If there were a global Occupy Wall Street protest, people as well off as Linda Frakes might actually be the target.

In America, the top 1% earn more than $380,000 per year. We are, however, among the richest nations on Earth. How much do you need to earn to be among the top 1% of the world?

$34,000.

That was the finding World Bank economist Branko Milanovic presented in his 2010 book The Haves and the Have-Nots. Going down the distribution ladder may be just as surprising. To be in the top half of the globe, you need to earn just $1,225 a year. For the top 20%, it's $5,000 per year. Enter the top 10% with $12,000 a year. To be included in the top 0.1% requires an annual income of $70,000.

Of course, goods and services cost different amounts in different countries. These numbers only apply to those living in the U.S. To adjust for purchasing power parity, those living in Western Europe should discount their dollar-denominated incomes by 10%-20%, Milanovic says. Those in China and Africa should increase their incomes by 2.5-fold. India, by threefold.

The global distribution figures may seem incomprehensibly low, but consider a couple of statistics you're likely familiar with: According to the U.N., "[B]Nearly half the world's population, 2.8 billion people, earn less than $2 a day[/B]." According to the World Bank, 95% of those living in the developing world earn less than $10 a day.

Those numbers are so shocking that you might only think about them in the abstract. But when you consider them in the context of the entire globe, including yourself, the skewing effects they have on the distribution of income is simply massive. It means that Americans we consider poor are among some of the world's most well-off. As Milanovic notes, "[B]the poorest [5%] of Americans are better off than more than two-thirds of the world population[/B]." Furthermore, "only about 3 percent of the Indian population have incomes higher than the bottom (the very poorest) U.S. percentile."

In short, most of those protesting in the Occupy Wall Street movement would be considered wealthy -- perhaps extraordinarily wealthy -- by much of the world. Many of those protesting the 1% are, ironically, the 1%.

This isn't to disparage the occupiers' message. Protestors are, I think, upset because so many of America's top 1% are perceived to have earned their income unjustifiably -- think bankers and bailouts. Most are not against inequality of wealth; they're against inequality of opportunity. As they should be.

But take a step back and put things in perspective. As Milanovic notes, "One's income ... crucially depends on citizenship, which in turn ... means place of birth. All people born in rich countries thus receive a location premium ... all those born in poor countries get a location penalty. It is easy to see that in such a world, most of one's lifetime income will be determined at birth." He continues, "it turns out that place of birth explains more than 60 percent of variability in global incomes." And there are few better places to be born than America -- even if you end up poor by American standards. If there is inequality in opportunity, those born in America are the ones with the unfair advantage.

As author Matt Ridley put it, "Today, of Americans officially designated as 'poor,' 99 percent have electricity, running water, flush toilets, and a refrigerator; 95 percent have a television, 88 percent a telephone, 71 percent a car and 70 percent air conditioning. Cornelius Vanderbilt had none of these." Nor does much of the world.

Food for thought.[/I]

#1565644Post 88 of 97

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1002312]ahhh, from the classic grunge band Nirvana. Such a good album.[/QUOTE]

:lol: queue comic relief.

#1565666Post 89 of 97

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4bWq2.jpg[/IMG]

#1565746Post 90 of 97

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[IMG]http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6218/6254573818_09c2946d41.jpg[/IMG]

#1565782Post 91 of 97

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is this sufficient poverty?

[URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2059238/Army-veteran-Mark-Mullins-wife-Helen-driven-suicide-poverty.html[/URL]

#1565945Post 92 of 97

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their comments are just hippie talk for "Hey just accept the Dream is over"

that story is awful

#1565983Post 93 of 97

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some times I don't understand you guys. I would have thought you would be championing this approach to social security. The lazy bastards cant be bothered to walk 12 miles for their food in the winter so it's 50 pounds a week saved. How is that money better served in Richard Branson's bank account or BP's profit margin?

#1566805Post 94 of 97

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1002158]Vinnie... I wonder if your level of disdain for Obama is as high as mine is for Herman Cain :lol:?[/QUOTE] Probably not but you never know. ;-) I don't like the latter either (his permissive attitude of the FED bothers me for one), but he is self-made and has actual experience in creating jobs unlike dear leader. I'd also bet a dollar to donuts that he'd share his BC and school records if requested.

#1566826Post 95 of 97

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;1004149] unlike dear leader. .[/QUOTE]

:roflmao: you are too much

#1566838Post 96 of 97

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Until corporations/corporate influence is removed from our government, it doesn't matter which one politician on either side of the isle we elect- we'll never have a government that is representative of, and acts on behalf of, the people. Occupy Pennsylvania Avenue, not Wall Street.

#1567323Post 97 of 97

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[QUOTE=clintlove;1001592]With full power in Congress in those two years, he could have at least improved the economy if he had any intentions on doing so. It's gotten so much worse since he was elected.

Either way you look at it, making rich people pay for the problems our government has created in the last 5 years is totally fucked up. That's his only plan at the moment. Correct me if I'm wrong.[/QUOTE]

The distribution of wealth in the US will shift drastically in the next 15 years, and I don't think any sort of political influence will be able to stop it.

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