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Re: Occupy Portland

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For all intents and purposes my friend, many of these people are representing the 99% in America.

Keep in mind too that this is an international movement.

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American members, can we agree on most of the following?

Our economy is flat because there are no customers to buy things, thus no need for businesses to expand their work force. Customers are the "job creators." And when workers have had stagnant wages for decades, while the top one percent skim all of the profits, then there is no disposable income for the economy to run on. We have a customer problem. And it is because of the wealth inequality.

Why does a person default on their mortgage? Because their wages are flat or dipping, while prices are rising, and they are going into credit card debt to cover medical expenses because their job cut benefits (as insurance companies are covering less and charging more). Pay workers more and you stabilize the economy. By government taxes or by union strikes, the wealth needs to be redistributed if we are to have any hope of keeping a rapidly vanishing middle class.

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I think it's only part of the picture and the wealth redistribution comment reeks of Marxism. Raising the minimum wage only creates a negative feedback loop that will similarly cause prices to inordinately rise and thus inflation, leaving us in no better state than we were prior. Incentives for companies to keep operations in America (along with tariffs) might actually return some of the manufacturing base. The fact that nearly half of the population is not taxed is another elephant in the room, as well as what percentage of revenue the top earners actually provide (it's already significant and at some percentage point, I could see the well off moving their monies off-shore to protest the insatiable leviathan that is big brother). Eliminate many of the loopholes and credits if you must, even increase the capital gains by a tad. But the spending problem in Washington won't be fixed by throwing more money at it.

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;1003895]American members, can we agree on most of the following?

Our economy is flat because there are no customers to buy things, thus no need for businesses to expand their work force. Customers are the "job creators." And when workers have had stagnant wages for decades, while the top one percent skim all of the profits, then there is no disposable income for the economy to run on. We have a customer problem. And it is because of the wealth inequality.

Why does a person default on their mortgage? Because their wages are flat or dipping, while prices are rising, and they are going into credit card debt to cover medical expenses because their job cut benefits (as insurance companies are covering less and charging more). Pay workers more and you stabilize the economy. By government taxes or by union strikes, the wealth needs to be redistributed if we are to have any hope of keeping a rapidly vanishing middle class.[/QUOTE]

maybe your messiah-cum-pariah can criminalize the non-purchasing of goods? maybe THAT will invigorate the economy. after all, something has gotta work. it just HAS TO. buy BUY BUYYYYYYY!!!

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[QUOTE=vinnie97;1004144]I think it's only part of the picture and the wealth redistribution comment reeks of Marxism. Raising the minimum wage only creates a negative feedback loop that will similarly cause prices to inordinately rise and thus inflation, leaving us in no better state than we were prior. Incentives for companies to keep operations in America (along with tariffs) might actually return some of the manufacturing base. The fact that nearly half of the population is not taxed is another elephant in the room, as well as what percentage of revenue the top earners actually provide (it's already significant and at some percentage point, I could see the well off moving their monies off-shore to protest the insatiable leviathan that is big brother). Eliminate many of the loopholes and credits if you must, even increase the capital gains by a tad. But the spending problem in Washington won't be fixed by throwing more money at it.[/QUOTE]

disagreed.

obviously the cure is to 1) raise minimum wage to $25.00/hr like they do in australia, 2) raise tariffs on chinese goods, 3) increase teh supply of money so more money is there to go around 4) call americans lazy.

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Lawl.

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;1004428]disagreed.

obviously the cure is to 1) raise minimum wage to $25.00/hr like they do in australia, 2) raise tariffs on chinese goods, 3) increase teh supply of money so more money is there to go around 4) call americans lazy.[/QUOTE]

Where did you get $25 from?

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[video=youtube;cJD8pZiRIzs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cJD8pZiRIzs[/video]

This is actually pretty good...He has good points here for sure.

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^watch this when you have a sec: [url]http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12017[/url]

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;1007477][video=youtube;cJD8pZiRIzs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cJD8pZiRIzs[/video]

This is actually pretty good...He has good points here for sure.[/QUOTE]

I agree with many of his points as well, and several from this interview: [URL]http://www.popeater.com/2010/11/05/adam-carolla-interview-book/[/URL].

A lot of kids do grow up to be entitled and it is because of their parents, but that's kind of all obvious isn't it? It doesn't make OWS completely wrong by any means.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;1007477][video=youtube;cJD8pZiRIzs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cJD8pZiRIzs[/video]

This is actually pretty good...He has good points here for sure.[/QUOTE]

Nicely summarised.

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^only makes sense if you think this OWS is only about jobs. why do you guys listen to people who have a show in this network? :lol:

If you live where there's a central banking system then you are fucked. period.

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