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The divide is so far now, I wonder if it could ever be fixed. I truly believe no matter who ends up in the white house next year, this country will split. Very sad time for true Americans...

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look at all those white people. unbelievable.

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[QUOTE=clintlove;994317]The divide is so far now, I wonder if it could ever be fixed. I truly believe no matter who ends up in the white house next year, this country will split. Very sad time for true Americans...[/QUOTE]

Obama is trying to split this country up. He's going to start railing against businesses and corporations to drive businesses away from the democrats, whereby the ultimate goal is to fertilize american soil for class warfare: the marxist-'democrats' will become the party of the oppressed 'people' and the capitalist-republicans will become the party of the elites.

it's pretty much my opinion that anyone who supports the occupy wall street group is de facto supporting class warfare and, therefore, the giant leap towards the fracturing of this country's federal foundations and, obviously, the end of the United States.

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I think when normal people get off their asses and get involved in letting their voice be heard in a peaceful manner that's their right, and that's ok.

Mariner I think you put too much emphasis on Obama's power, I don't think he's trying to split up our country, he's too moderate. Bush had a more polarizing affect in my opinion, but you know, whatever .

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;994399]Obama is trying to split this country up. He's going to start railing against businesses and corporations to drive businesses away from the democrats, whereby the ultimate goal is to fertilize american soil for class warfare: the marxist-'democrats' will become the party of the oppressed 'people' and the capitalist-republicans will become the party of the elites.

it's pretty much my opinion that anyone who supports the occupy wall street group is de facto supporting class warfare and, therefore, the giant leap towards the fracturing of this country's federal foundations and, obviously, the end of the United States.[/QUOTE]

Splitting the country up is par for the course for politicians, which is why the republican nominees are such crap. It's the same general platform every 4 years. I find it hard to believe that among the 300,000,000 folks in the US, we're able to come up with candidates that continue polarizing the country, as if no middle ground could ever appear.

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nyc:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GmSFY.jpg[/IMG]

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;994446]I think when normal people get off their asses and get involved in letting their voice be heard in a peaceful manner that's their right, and that's ok.

Mariner I think you put too much emphasis on Obama's power, I don't think he's trying to split up our country, he's too moderate. Bush had a more polarizing affect in my opinion, but you know, whatever .[/QUOTE]

yeah, we were more polarized during the bush years. gimme a break.

too moderate? according to whom? what makes obama a moderate iyo?

the only reason why captain jackass isn't even more polarizing is because all these commie phaggots are willing to ignore all the bullshit this man is doing.

maybe we can start a new meme

i was against gitmo before i became apathetic to it i was against the iraq war before i became apathetic to it i was against torturing enemy combatants before i was apathetic to it i was against extra-judicial murders before i was apathetic to it i was against sweetheart deals to the presidents cronies before i was apathetic to it i was against shipping guns that has killed hundreds of mexicans and several americans before i was apathetic to it i was against sending troops into new foreign conflicts before i was apathetic to it i was against ...well you can really just keep going on and on....

i'm here all day bro.

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[img]http://i.imgur.com/aJ3Cd.png[/img]

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[img]http://i.imgur.com/ZhNfw.jpg[/img]

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;994691]yeah, we were more polarized during the bush years. gimme a break.

too moderate? according to whom? what makes obama a moderate iyo?

the only reason why captain jackass isn't even more polarizing is because all these commie phaggots are willing to ignore all the bullshit this man is doing.

maybe we can start a new meme

i was against gitmo before i became apathetic to it i was against the iraq war before i became apathetic to it i was against torturing enemy combatants before i was apathetic to it i was against extra-judicial murders before i was apathetic to it i was against sweetheart deals to the presidents cronies before i was apathetic to it i was against shipping guns that has killed hundreds of mexicans and several americans before i was apathetic to it i was against sending troops into new foreign conflicts before i was apathetic to it i was against ...well you can really just keep going on and on....

i'm here all day bro.[/QUOTE]

Right, because 'You're either with us or against us' didn't at all polarize the US post 9/11. He deeply divided this country based on policy alone.

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[QUOTE=Localizer;994729]Right, because 'You're either with us or against us' didn't at all polarize the US post 9/11. He deeply divided this country based on policy alone.[/QUOTE]

that was a comment directed at leaders of foreign countries last i recall....not the american citizenry.

but your memory and recollection may march to different altair 8800's.

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i would be my life's savings that less than 2% of the protesters even understand that unions are corporations, too.

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Apparently at "occupy Boston" the media tent is being run by a homemade solar panel!

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[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/GoNGK.jpg[/IMG]

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[video=youtube;x132Nd1Gs5A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x132Nd1Gs5A[/video]

[video=youtube;IHuz7smxglA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHuz7smxglA[/video]

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i would definitely be down there if i didnt have a full time job... fricken tired at the end of the day man.. no time to camp out :(

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;994787]that was a comment directed at leaders of foreign countries last i recall....not the american citizenry.

but your memory and recollection may march to different altair 8800's.[/QUOTE]

Except that he used it when he spoke to congress and the nation in mid-september...

If you really think that quote had no profound effect on the way Americans viewed the WoT and the encouragement of entry into Afghanistan and Iraq, then I'm not sure you live in reality.

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[QUOTE=ddr;994922]i would definitely be down there if i didnt have a full time job... fricken tired at the end of the day man.. no time to camp out :([/QUOTE]

THATS! sort of the spirit :lol:

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[video=youtube;0aaTGsGdp4c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=0aaTGsGdp4c[/video]

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;995105][IMG]http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/5/G/4/Demonstrators-vs-Bankers.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE][B]THE SEVEN BIGGEST ECONOMIC LIES[/B]

The President’s Jobs Bill doesn’t have a chance in Congress — and the Occupiers on Wall Street and elsewhere can’t become a national movement for a more equitable society – unless more Americans know the truth about the economy.

Here’s a short (2 minute 30 second) effort to rebut the seven biggest whoppers now being told by those who want to take America backwards. The major points:

1. [I]Tax cuts for the rich trickle down to everyone else[/I]. Baloney. Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush both sliced taxes on the rich and what happened? Most Americans’ wages (measured by the real median wage) began flattening under Reagan and have dropped since George W. Bush. Trickle-down economics is a cruel joke.
2. [I]Higher taxes on the rich would hurt the economy and slow job growth[/I]. False. From the end of World War II until 1981, the richest Americans faced a top marginal tax rate of 70 percent or above. Under Dwight Eisenhower it was 91 percent. Even after all deductions and credits, the top taxes on the very rich were far higher than they’ve been since. Yet the economy grew faster during those years than it has since. (Don’t believe small businesses would be hurt by a higher marginal tax; fewer than 2 percent of small business owners are in the highest tax bracket.)
3. [I]Shrinking government generates more jobs[/I]. Wrong again. It means fewer government workers – everyone from teachers, fire fighters, police officers, and social workers at the state and local levels to safety inspectors and military personnel at the federal. And fewer government contractors, who would employ fewer private-sector workers. According to Moody’s economist Mark Zandi (a campaign advisor to John McCain), the $61 billion in spending cuts proposed by the House GOP will cost the economy 700,000 jobs this year and next.
4. [I]Cutting the budget deficit now is more important than boosting the economy[/I]. Untrue. With so many Americans out of work, budget cuts now will shrink the economy. They’ll increase unemployment and reduce tax revenues. That will worsen the ratio of the debt to the total economy. The first priority must be getting jobs and growth back by boosting the economy. Only then, when jobs and growth are returning vigorously, should we turn to cutting the deficit.
5. [I]Medicare and Medicaid are the major drivers of budget deficits[/I]. Wrong. Medicare and Medicaid spending is rising quickly, to be sure. But that’s because the nation’s health-care costs are rising so fast. One of the best ways of slowing these costs is to use Medicare and Medicaid’s bargaining power over drug companies and hospitals to reduce costs, and to move from a fee-for-service system to a fee-for-healthy outcomes system. And since Medicare has far lower administrative costs than private health insurers, we should make Medicare available to everyone.
6. [I]Social Security is a Ponzi scheme[/I]. Don’t believe it. Social Security is [url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=784"]solvent[/url] for the next 26 years. It could be [url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=784"]solvent[/url] for the next century if we raised the ceiling on income subject to the Social Security payroll tax. That ceiling is now $106,800.
7. [I]It’s unfair that lower-income Americans don’t pay income tax[/I]. Wrong. There’s nothing unfair about it. Lower-income Americans pay out a larger share of their paychecks in payroll taxes, sales taxes, user fees, and tolls than everyone else.

Demagogues through history have known that big lies, repeated often enough, start being believed — unless they’re rebutted. These seven economic whoppers are just plain wrong. Make sure you know the truth – and spread it on. [/QUOTE]

[URL]http://robertreich.org/post/11329289033[/URL]

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[video=youtube;jJkKFKpsBxE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJkKFKpsBxE[/video]

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[URL="http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/10/13/uk-wallstreet-protests-origins-idUKTRE79C3WS20111013"]http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/10/13/uk-wallstreet-protests-origins-idUKTRE79C3WS20111013

[QUOTE]There has been much speculation over who is financing the disparate protest, which has spread to cities across America and lasted nearly four weeks. One name that keeps coming up is investor George Soros, who in September debuted in the top 10 list of wealthiest Americans. Conservative critics contend the movement is a Trojan horse for a secret Soros agenda.[/QUOTE]

[/URL]Not naming names but some members will absolutely love this.

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[QUOTE][FONT=Arial]Howard Buffett, the [URL="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=BRK%2FA:US"]Berkshire Hathaway Inc. (BRK/A)[/URL] director and son of Chairman Warren Buffett, said Wall Street protesters were provoked by abuses from corporations amid a widening disparity between rich and poor. [/FONT][FONT=Arial]“I think it takes that to make things happen sometimes,” Howard Buffett, 56, said of the demonstrations in an interview yesterday in [URL="http://topics.bloomberg.com/des-moines/"]Des Moines[/URL], Iowa. Over the past 15 years, “we saw large corporations really screw people.”[/FONT][/QUOTE]

[URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-13/howard-buffett-defends-occupy-wall-street-protests-to-make-things-happen-.html[/URL]

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[QUOTE=Shpira;995710][URL]http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-13/howard-buffett-defends-occupy-wall-street-protests-to-make-things-happen-.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

Exactly. If you have the majority of the world having a conversation about certain issues, and that conversation lasts long enough, change eventually takes place.

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[url]http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11938[/url]

shit just got real

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;995744][URL]http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/11938[/URL]

shit just got real[/QUOTE]

why wasn't anyone trying to occupy Paul "pls forget that i was a top advisor to enron" Krugman?

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Cuz he's a leftist GOD of economics! I won't say how full of sh*t I think he is.

[IMG]http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/10/11/article-2047664-0E5245C500000578-962_634x462.jpg[/IMG]

Sticking it to the "man" in leisurely style.

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Enjoying the fruits of capitalist largesse while simultaneously protesting them in the most striking dichotomous irony.

On the other hand, I did recently see a protestor speaking against the evils of the money-printing engaged by the FED (something KRUGMAN apparently loves), so I think some of these folks have their heads in the right place. The idiots tend to take the spotlight.

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Kanye West livin' large wit the gold chain while protesting those who do the same:

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Other hypocrite commies like Danny Glover and Susan Sarandon along with racist activists and black plantation evangelists like Al Sharpton really seal the deal. It's times like these I wouldn't mind seeing it all blow up in their faces.

Really, these photos and many more speak louder than words: [URL]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047664/Occupy-Wall-Street-Children-1-good-time-protests.html[/URL] - sure, it's a skewed source and these individuals don't represent everyone making a stand, but this kind of display does the movement no favors. The so-called 1% in attendance have every right to donate to charity. By attending this event, they are basically saying, "The government can be a better steward of my income than I am capable of being." If they weren't braindead, the thought of throwing more money at the govt. and watching more scams like Solyndra unfold (which also causes the public to be raked DIRECTLY) would be detestable to them.

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I'm not sure what this means. So you have to be dirt poor and homeless wearing rags to be able to be pissed off at Goldman Sachs being given a pass and in the gov'ts pocket?

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;996016]I'm not sure what this means. So you have to be dirt poor and homeless wearing rags to be able to be pissed off at Goldman Sachs being given a pass and in the gov'ts pocket?[/QUOTE]

they're not pissed at the government's malfeasance they're not pissed at the higher ed's massive inflation of tuition.

lol @ being pissy at goldman sachs.

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ostertag/goldman-sachs-obama-money_b_177611.html[/url]

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;996020]they're not pissed at the government's malfeasance they're not pissed at the higher ed's massive inflation of tuition.

lol @ being pissy at goldman sachs.

[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ostertag/goldman-sachs-obama-money_b_177611.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

Are you ok dude?

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[QUOTE=88Mariner;996020]they're not pissed at the government's malfeasance they're not pissed at the higher ed's massive inflation of tuition.

lol @ being pissy at goldman sachs.

[URL]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-ostertag/goldman-sachs-obama-money_b_177611.html[/URL][/QUOTE]

Pretty sure they are

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[QUOTE]The average American citizen is quickly falling behind their global peers in terms of education levels and many find the topics of economics and finance far too dense to comprehend. So it’s no small accomplishment that the enormous amount of taxpayer bailouts and Fed monetary injections have finally awoken the American middle and lower classes up to the reality of a terribly unbalanced financial system. This awakening is currently represented by the Occupy Wall Street protests. However, lest you think these protests will simply go away once winter sets in, think again. Even if the official Occupy Wall Street protest dissipates in the next few months, the word has gotten out and the message is finding an interested audience that fails to conform to traditional political boundaries.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] [B]Repubs vs. Dems: A False Dichotomy[/B]

Vote Republican? The Repubs increased debt from around $5.6tr in 2000 to over $10tr by 2008. They also passed the massive social entitlement program Medicare Part D without any mechanism for actually paying the tab. The party of small government and fiscal conservatism you say? Yea, right.

Vote Democrat? The Dems supported the bailout of the banks, the funding of ruinous foreign wars started by the Repubs, the re-nomination of Ben Bernanke as the head of the Fed and appointed to the highest offices of White House influence - the very architects that helped create the global financial disaster we currently face. Summers, Geithner, Rubin and many others have had President Obama’s ear since day 1. You think those guys are advocating a solution which would see the banks actually take write-downs and losses as any other business would have to? Not likely.

Both major parties spend enormous time and money maintaining their own power bases of large, wealthy campaign contributors to try and outspend their competition in the next election. When they win, they serve their campaign contribution masters well with the hopes that this process will be rinse, wash and repeat the next time around. Both parties support no term limits. Both parties support liberal campaign finance laws. Both parties kowtow to Wall Street. [/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.zerohedge.com/news/guest-notes-sales-desk-few-thoughts-occupy-wall-street-movement[/url]

This a bloody fantastic article. Takes many angles and highlights on the relevant prospects.

A part of me sees complete futility of the protests. I've got to refer to a post made by clintlove in a similar thread

[QUOTE=clintlove;993964] Housing is not a human right. Education is not a human right. Driving a car is not a human right. Having a cell phone is not a human right. Having a TV is not a human right. Food is not a human right. Unnecessary personal property is most definitely not a human right.

These are all things my family and I have worked for our entire lives and will continue to work for the rest of our lives.

All these fucking pussies marching on wall street need to take a bit of advise and go home, clean up, find a job, and work for things they DESIRE. It's no one else's responsibility to give it to them not matter how much money that other person has.

If they can't do that for themselves, they will most definitely be on the other side of the country from where I'll choose to live.[/QUOTE]

It really isn't that hard. Res0 didn't you also mention that you had to change cities leaving family and friends behind for employment? Why does majority believe: go to college, educate yourself, graduate, and you automatically get a job and you are set for life? I think the word 'hardship' is a misunderstanding amidst these protesters. I accept the fact since 1913 we've been fucked, and will continue to do so by these corporations till the end of time.

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[QUOTE=Illuminate;996063]

It really isn't that hard. Res0 didn't you also mention that you had to change cities leaving family and friends behind for employment? Why does majority believe: go to college, educate yourself, graduate, and you automatically get a job and you are set for life? I think the word 'hardship' is a misunderstanding amidst these protesters. I accept the fact since 1913 we've been fucked, and will continue to do so by these corporations till the end of time.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I moved across the country by myself to get a job which is going to be better for my career. If you are sitting around pissing and moaning that the gov't owes you money or a job and all your skillset involves is flipping burgers, well guess what, you can flip burgers forever, gov't or not. Should they guarantee you a job flipping burgers for live? Hah no way...

Even though there are a lot of young entitled people protesting b/c its cool to take a weekend and feel good about yourself doesn't mean that the gov't and the banks shouldnt get this balls busted for fucking people over.

But I think this honestly might die out once the next major news-cycle comes around which involves alot of people dying, or something dramatic. It will be forgotten about and people will go back home and do what they do. I think most people in the USA aren't so repressed, fucked over, etc like they have been in the middle east lately to see this through for the long run. Half ass it for a while? Sounds very American to me. :D

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The Great American dream: Work two jobs and have no healthcare. The paradox kills you.

Yeah wont be long before everyone has to go back and update their facebook pictures.

There's protests starting up here in Australia too, Day 1 of Occupy Sydney starts today. I just feel like projecting this on the Federal Reserve building where the mass will be occupying:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/or8b7.gif[/IMG]

Yes, come next week the toast of Politics shall be: IRAN.

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Hey I have no fucking problem tossing some extra cash to help out those less fortunate. [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=969"]Blame[/URL] the people who claim 'every dollar i earn in mine and fuck everyone else'. except when it comes their time to end up on welfare the tune changes.