in the attacks last year!!! I just listened to some evidence about two weeks ago and I can't believe the stuff I heard.

what do some of you think???

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

The only role I believe the gov't played is a negligible one by not doing their part.... having said that, there's a reason this thread has the most replies/views of any thread in the politics section. If you haven't kept up with this thread, I hope you have a few hours to spend:

[URL]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?74609-you-know-what-s-astonishing[/URL]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

This was really well done, a must see imho: [url]http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/view/[/url]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

my bad thanks bro

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Disappearing aircraft, buildings just falling down, a very dubious investigation, not to mention many other inconstancy's. Government involvement Yep. I was actually thinking of starting a regular blog here about the amount of sleeping the so called sleeper cells where actually doing. I think we could all do with a regular update on the sleeper cells that are busy training to train & train & train & train & train & train & train & train & train & train & train & train & train & train & train & train & train.......................

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[QUOTE=sakio pod;987519]my bad thanks bro[/QUOTE]

No bad at all, just merging the 2 threads :)

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[QUOTE=floridaorange;987515]. If you haven't kept up with this thread, I hope you have a few hours to spend:

[URL]http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/showthread.php?74609-you-know-what-s-astonishing[/URL][/QUOTE]

Good luck mate. Needs more than a few hours.

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[QUOTE=Illuminate;987550]Good luck mate. Needs more than a few hours.[/QUOTE]

Did you try Illuminate? ;)

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Yeah tried...

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

we still can talk about it here again, rite florida?

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[QUOTE=trick12;987612]we still can talk about it here again, rite florida?[/QUOTE]

of course! maybe a new thread is exactly what this topic needs!?

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

maybe, u can learn something new everyday, and what u dont see today u might see tomorrow

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

so john, did u ever go to a rotary?

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[QUOTE=trick12;987717]so john, did u ever go to a rotary?[/QUOTE]

What would that have to do with this thread?

...and since we are now on a first name basis, what's your first name again? :lol:

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

res0 have you watched this yet? [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7380700n&tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea.5[/url]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Nice bring on another 65 pages.

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[COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MS PGothic][FONT=Helvetica]see i never really posted on the where is everybody from thread John,but u can call me rick, rick james...[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]

my question actually does have something to do with this thread ;)

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[QUOTE=trick12;987790][COLOR=#ffffff][FONT=MS PGothic][FONT=Helvetica]see i never really posted on the where is everybody from thread John,but u can call me rick, rick james...[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR]

my question actually does have something to do with this thread ;)[/QUOTE]

I think I'm gonna pass on this fun little conversation but thanks anyway "Trick."

No offense. :lol:

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[IMG]http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/3/f/3f3c8_ORIG-normal_CocaineRickJames.jpg[/IMG]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[QUOTE=floridaorange;987760]res0 have you watched this yet? [URL]http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7380700n&tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea.5[/URL][/QUOTE]

Yes I did see that last night. Very interesting interview....

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[QUOTE=floridaorange;987809]I think I'm gonna pass on this fun little conversation but thanks anyway "Trick."

No offense. :lol:[/QUOTE]

no worries John, the result would be the same anyways :lol::lol::lol:

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[QUOTE=Illuminate;987814][IMG]http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/3/f/3f3c8_ORIG-normal_CocaineRickJames.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[IMG]http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/small/0910/darkness-i-m-rick-james-bitch-demotivational-poster-1255635283.jpg[/IMG]

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[video=youtube;yuC_4mGTs98]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98[/video]

If you want something with substance watch this Sakio. It is very well done and only 5 mins so even Reso has the attention span for it.

Great post Chunky.. I will continue...... to train and train and train and train.. and train and train and train..... and train and train... Where are these fuckers.. they sleep more then bears!:lol::lol:

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

^ If the current thesis about what happened is a conspiracy, then what did happen that day? Enlighten us with your superior intellect o'canada.

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THERE AREN'T ANY TERRORIST.. Where are they? There aren't any. Grow up. Your lame beliefs are just brainwashing from the MSM.

The media makes you believe they are out there hiding and waiting to strike. 10 Mother Fukin Years have gone by and nothing.

[U]9/11[/U] - A government attack on the US by the US gov't to take away civil liberties and rights. [U] Underwear Bomber[/U] - A CIA asset brought on a plane by a man in a suit without a passport. To instill fear and bring in pat downs and naked body scanners.

[U]Flash Crash/ Bailouts -[/U] To instill fear and terrorize savers. Those are the real terrorists because they have robbed your country.

[U]Death of Osama Bin[/U] - An obvious staged event. They kill him when he is unarmed rather than capture and interrogate. And dump his body in an undisclosed location in the ocean.

[U]Pat TIllman - [/U] Assassinated for pro war propaganda. To make him a hero to get people to enlist.

[U]Jessica Lynch[/U]- Another lie to get people to enlist in the military.

[I][/I][U]Iraq Incubator Story -[/U] Another lie to gain support for the first Iraq invasion

[U]Tim Geithner Lose 'AAA' Status[/U]- JUst weeks before you guys losed 'AAA' he said there was Zero chance. Another lie.

...................................................................

Why do you listen to them anymore?

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[QUOTE=runningman;988010][video=youtube;yuC_4mGTs98]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98[/video]

I love all of these online expert video clips who rely on soundbites and obvious dumbfuckery to try and make their point. But it is all conspiracy theorist circle cock stroking anyway.

[QUOTE=runningman;988033]THERE AREN'T ANY TERRORIST.. Where are they? There aren't any. Grow up. Your lame beliefs are just brainwashing from the MSM. [/QUOTE]

I think you fall for the bullshit the media puts out far more than us more levelheaded folk. I don't think anyone here believes that there are scary middle eastern men with beards on every corner waiting to kill us all. It's just a few random dipshits here and there trying to pull something over. It's pretty easy to understand.

[quote] [U]9/11[/U] - A government attack on the US by the US gov't to take away civil liberties and rights. [/quote]These super secret geniuses really benefited from this one huh? The country has been the worst off it's been since The Great Depression...

[quote] [U]Underwear Bomber[/U] - A CIA asset brought on a plane by a man in a suit without a passport. To instill fear and bring in pat downs and naked body scanners. [/quote]

:roll: [U] [quote]Flash Crash/ Bailouts -[/quote][/U][quote] To instill fear and terrorize savers. Those are the real terrorists because they have robbed your country.[/quote]

I'd agree with this.

[quote] [U]Death of Osama Bin[/U] - An obvious staged event. They kill him when he is unarmed rather than capture and interrogate. And dump his body in an undisclosed location in the ocean.[/quote]

Quote from David Cross:

I don't think Osama bin Laden sent those planes to attack us because he hated our freedom. I think he did it because of our support for Israel, our ties with the Saudi family and our military bases in Saudi Arabia. You know why I think that? [I]Because that's what he fucking said![/I] Are we a nation of 6-year-olds? Answer: yes.

[quote] [U]Pat TIllman - [/U] Assassinated for pro war propaganda. To make him a hero to get people to enlist.[/quote]

Pretty sure about everyone who knows who Pat Tillman is knows that he was KIA by our own troops and it was covered up. I don't think this is helping the military's cause whatsoever.

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[QUOTE=runningman;988033]THERE AREN'T ANY TERRORIST.. Where are they? There aren't any. Grow up. Your lame beliefs are just brainwashing from the MSM.

The media makes you believe they are out there hiding and waiting to strike. 10 Mother Fukin Years have gone by and nothing.

[U]9/11[/U] - A government attack on the US by the US gov't to take away civil liberties and rights.[/QUOTE]

You are either insane or trolling.

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

On the case of WTC towers itself, we've had too many discussions on this. Too, too many. Looking at it primarily from a structural analysis it seems too good to be true. An explosion and rapture of the bracing members should not lead for the whole building to collapse from an engineering perspective it does not make sense, and to state the obvious [I]A controlled demolition.[/I]

Some points to start with is if the structural members fail; the rate and collapse of the towers of themselves should not be able to fall that fast. Also the explosion and dust/debris seemed like it can be seen to be coming out of multiple levels at a time rather than individually. (Pancake Theory?)

Another point which is common is the ability for steel to melt. Going back to my pointless lectures; steel only forms at 900Deg Cel. And the lowest even on low grade el-chepo steel to melt or disform is about 1150 deg Cel. Jet fuel and the explosion of the impact would not have been able to equally distribute this temperature to the entire level of the crashed level. Jet fuel burns at about 700Deg Cel. Just seems a little far-fetched.

Ok, one last point would be to state the obvious, how could a tower collapse so fast when the foundations have been intact. All tall buildings are designed to firstly consider earthquake, wind, and the daily forces applied to it. 12 seconds on avg, for each tower just seemed way too fast for a building with a adequate structural frame below 15 stories. Incorporating all the Physics ([url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=336"]Kinetic[/url], Potential, and Stored Energies) it seems a little nearly impossible.

There is another 10000 theories and I'm sure google has all the answers. Sorry about my rant, but being in engineering this shit is my bread and butter.

But, at the end of the day we can all stand back point fingers, and [url="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=969"]blame[/url], but what gets me the most is the hundreds of innocent lives lost and the rippled effects of the thousands of friends & family which cannot be justified by some theory or government. Then we move on to the thousands affected by the wars as a result of this. Innocent people just like me typing away useless shit on a EDM forum, now that's what's astonishing.

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[QUOTE=Illuminate;988104] [I]A controlled demolition.[/I] [/QUOTE]

this is what it seemed like...

from another point, what happened to the planes coming into the city of NY? isnt there missile launch ready to shatter them if they cross with no green light, just like what happened with the egyptair plane in 1999, they said it wasnt reported leaving JFK so booom by an automatic launcher, and lets say the guy was sipping on his cup of joe and passed the first one, no shit heres another one that goes straight into the tower, really JFK? two planes into the city with no action...what about the pentagon plane? where was the remains of it? so why do people still believe when they get lied to very clearly? look who benefitted the most out of 9/11...and what makes me wonder is how can a plane run into a building and vanish like its some portal, i mean with this kinda mass and speed shudnt it be able to penetrate the buildings and come out the other side or at least parts of it?

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

wrong thread

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

:lol:

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

[QUOTE=Illuminate;988104]On the case of WTC towers itself, we've had too many discussions on this. Too, too many. Looking at it primarily from a structural analysis it seems too good to be true. An explosion and rapture of the bracing members should not lead for the whole building to collapse from an engineering perspective it does not make sense, and to state the obvious [I]A controlled demolition.[/I]

Some points to start with is if the structural members fail; the rate and collapse of the towers of themselves should not be able to fall that fast. Also the explosion and dust/debris seemed like it can be seen to be coming out of multiple levels at a time rather than individually. (Pancake Theory?)

Another point which is common is the ability for steel to melt. Going back to my pointless lectures; steel only forms at 900Deg Cel. And the lowest even on low grade el-chepo steel to melt or disform is about 1150 deg Cel. Jet fuel and the explosion of the impact would not have been able to equally distribute this temperature to the entire level of the crashed level. Jet fuel burns at about 700Deg Cel. Just seems a little far-fetched.

Ok, one last point would be to state the obvious, how could a tower collapse so fast when the foundations have been intact. All tall buildings are designed to firstly consider earthquake, wind, and the daily forces applied to it. 12 seconds on avg, for each tower just seemed way too fast for a building with a adequate structural frame below 15 stories. Incorporating all the Physics ([URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=336"]Kinetic[/URL], Potential, and Stored Energies) it seems a little nearly impossible.

There is another 10000 theories and I'm sure google has all the answers. Sorry about my rant, but being in engineering this shit is my bread and butter.

But, at the end of the day we can all stand back point fingers, and [URL="http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/djdb.php?id=969"]blame[/URL], but what gets me the most is the hundreds of innocent lives lost and the rippled effects of the thousands of friends & family which cannot be justified by some theory or government. Then we move on to the thousands affected by the wars as a result of this. Innocent people just like me typing away useless shit on a EDM forum, now that's what's astonishing.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=trick12;988110]this is what it seemed like...

from another point, what happened to the planes coming into the city of NY? isnt there missile launch ready to shatter them if they cross with no green light, just like what happened with the egyptair plane in 1999, they said it wasnt reported leaving JFK so booom by an automatic launcher, and lets say the guy was sipping on his cup of joe and passed the first one, no shit heres another one that goes straight into the tower, really JFK? two planes into the city with no action...what about the pentagon plane? where was the remains of it? so why do people still believe when they get lied to very clearly? look who benefitted the most out of 9/11...and what makes me wonder is how can a plane run into a building and vanish like its some portal, i mean with this kinda mass and speed shudnt it be able to penetrate the buildings and come out the other side or at least parts of it?[/QUOTE]

This has been talked about 100 million billion times already and even in the official report. Shit didn't totally melt, it just got weakened. How damn hard is that to understand! :roflmao:

No wonder why this country is so fucked right now. Common sense is out the door....

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

Looks like res0 is stroking up his shouty man routine. the will be a lot of pictures and icons but not a lot else. Save it for Ron res0

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;988180]This has been talked about 100 million billion times already and even in the official report. Shit didn't totally melt, it just got weakened. How damn hard is that to understand! :roflmao: No wonder why this country is so fucked right now. Common sense is out the door....[/QUOTE] 10 years on, and still no questions are asked. And that is why common sense is out the door.

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[QUOTE=Illuminate;988241]10 years on, and still no questions are asked. And that is why common sense is out the door.[/QUOTE]

It's been answered already...you just don't like the answers so you make up random shit which either can't be answered or won't be listened to since the sliding scale will just move over a notch when someone wastes their time coming up with a response. ;)

10 years on and the bar keeps sliding around.

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[QUOTE=res0nat0r;988251]It's been answered already...you just don't like the answers so you make up random shit which either can't be answered or won't be listened to since the sliding scale will just move over a notch when someone wastes their time coming up with a response. ;)

10 years on and the bar keeps sliding around.[/QUOTE]

Firstly the answers proven does not comprehend from a general engineering point of view based on applicable science and physics. I have not made up [I]random shit[/I], just providing general theories and principles that existed oh...say from maybe 3000 years ago when they built the pyramids, check your physics textbook. No one's waiting for a response, just waiting to be told the truth, and a suitable punishment for the perpetrator of these acts.

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[QUOTE=Illuminate;988273]Firstly the answers proven does not comprehend from a general engineering point of view based on applicable science and physics. I have not made up [I]random shit[/I], just providing general theories and principles that existed oh...say from maybe 3000 years ago when they built the pyramids, check your physics textbook. No one's waiting for a response, just waiting to be told the truth, and a suitable punishment for the perpetrator of these acts.[/QUOTE]

So you are more informed about structural engineering, mechanical engineering, building design and and physics than the dozens or hundreds of qualified people who put the official report together? Interesting.

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Sorry but where did I say that? Just gave an valid opinion.

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[QUOTE=Illuminate;988278]Sorry but where did I say that? Just gave an valid opinion.[/QUOTE]

OK so its just random speculation without any evidence on your part...that is fine then...

Re: sad day in america, does anyone think the govt played a part???

It was our government. /thread

In before chunky writes: "there goes Floridaorange closing a thread." :lol: