Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=thebanned1;1231203]Without getting into an argument, it's not wide off the mark and I did say you could get a dubplate cut ( i think the place in London was/is called music house ). In the 90s the bar was even higher than it is today because pressing plants had a higher minimum order, this is why the label you're talking about ran at a loss, in the 90's production way out done demand so getting a track played by a big named DJ helped shift units.[/QUOTE]

But all youre doing is putting a cost to it again. Its not all about how much it costs getting dub plates cut. They were getting 10-20 cut and sending them to the top jocks and sitting their with a massive hard on knowing their tunes had been rinsed by the top two talismen in a genre. They didnt care that it cost them that's what their day jobs paid for. Profit and loss didnt even come into it and still doesn't. Its a passion. Its no different than spending thousands on a new mountain bike and then it being worth fuck all a year later. You lose your money but its a hobby and a passion. If you cant understand that then this whole conversation is absolutely pointless.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=lord lucan;1231220]But all youre doing is putting a cost to it again. Its not all about how much it costs getting dub plates cut. They were getting 10-20 cut and sending them to the top jocks and sitting their with a massive hard on knowing their tunes had been rinsed by the top two talismen in a genre. They didnt care that it cost them that's what their day jobs paid for. Profit and loss didnt even come into it and still doesn't. Its a passion. Its no different than spending thousands on a new mountain bike and then it being worth fuck all a year later. You lose your money but its a hobby and a passion. If you cant understand that then this whole conversation is absolutely pointless.[/QUOTE]

Music has to be specifically mastered for vinyl, it need to be mastered to -3 DB, any higher than that and the needle just skips...you said they started a label ? a record label is a business, do we agree on that ? no-one in their right mind starts a business knowing that the business is going to loose money, that's not how business works. I can see your point too, dubplates we relevant in the 90s but I think you might find that a lot of the stuff cut to acetate was also cut to vinyl for the record label, not saying every dubplate was but I think most of it would've been.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

WTF are you on about? "a record label is a business" do you really believe that the only reason people make music is for money? If that is the case many will be disappointed. I recall an interview with Ritchie Hawtin where he was asked to come and play in the UK for the first time, he stated that he paid for his own flight and slept on the floor of the plane. If people can make money from the scene great, but the reality is that most don't and do it for love.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

As usual Chris, acting like a first grade speng but then I've come to expect that from you. It's a shame you don't understand the work that goes into music, it's also a shame that you're stuck in the 90s. Doing it for the love doesn't pay the fucking bills, would you go out into your job and work for free ?

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

yea music isn't business that's why they teach business music courses at most of the prestige colleges

[url]https://www.pointblankmusicschool.com/courses/london/degree-and-he-programmes/ba-hons-music-industry-management/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwMP9BRCzARIsAPWTJ_EaMcfbKgt-8fcT79NKLSYfbvWjZkOe-7CHiizZ2pHshE1khFGZg84aAnVwEALw_wcB[/url]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Have you been on the crack pipe Dom? I fully understand the effort that goes into it, I just realise that if you are doing it for money, you're very likely to be upset. I believe that just because you made a record you don't have an entitlement to a career out of it.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=thebanned1;1231230]As usual Chris, acting like a first grade speng but then I've come to expect that from you. It's a shame you don't understand the work that goes into music, it's also a shame that you're stuck in the 90s. Doing it for the love doesn't pay the fucking bills, would you go out into your job and work for free ?[/QUOTE] Using an local artist here in Sydney as an example - He is a DJ, runs a touring promotion & a record store. He still works a 9-5 job to pay the bills. Why's he do the music side of things? Because he loves it. It doesn't pay all the bills though.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

^In the noughties me and a mate decided to put on a few club nights in our hometown because there was nowhere local that we could hear progressive music. We knew from the outset it would cost us money and we'd never see that money again. We didn't care - it was all about the excitement of playing out and hearing that music in a local club.

Financially it was a disaster, probably cost us £1000 in total over all of the nights but all I remember is how buzzing we were when people we didnt know actually turned up and spent time dancing and enjoying themselves. Priceless memories

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=lord lucan;1231218]What do you mean find me? Ive just given you two examples . Some people arent in it for the money, how hard is that to get a grasp of for fuck sake? They made and still make music just for a buzz irrespective of monetary gain. Is that really so hard for you? They have full time jobs and making music is a hobby. That's all. A hobby. Thyve run labels at a loss purely because thats what you do when youre passionate about something. Many businesses' run at a loss . Again, why is that hard to believe for you? Its actually you that cant get youre head around a concept.[/QUOTE] I do did say I couldn't get my head around that . :lol: You misunderstand me. I am saying you are mistaken. It may be all about the music for a lot of producers but if they were recognised for that music , and paid, they would feel great happiness. :)

I'm not saying that a there aren't many who will l keep at it for as long as they live because of their total passion for the music. Strangely enough Phil K is an example . He could have been a international Dj in all respects but he actively chose to stay in Melbourne . But playing was his joy .

Others here are giving example of that .

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=Knightsfan87;1231237]Using an local artist here in Sydney as an example - He is a DJ, runs a touring promotion & a record store. He still works a 9-5 job to pay the bills. Why's he do the music side of things? Because he loves it. It doesn't pay all the bills though. [/QUOTE]

Obviously ignoring the pandemic from the moment. Isn't it a shame that way music is now that someone who loves so much to do what we benefit from every day can't make a living from it. ??

If they are good, we get benefit, they should be paid. :) If it had been up to me the arts would have been the firm to get support here in Australia . :lol:

When I think about maybe we want to be able to say they do it for the love because we don't want to pay them. :lol:

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=♫♫♫♫♫♫;1231234]Have you been on the crack pipe Dom? I fully understand the effort that goes into it, I just realise that if you are doing it for money, you're very likely to be upset. I believe that just because you made a record you don't have an entitlement to a career out of it.[/QUOTE] I know I'll not make money from it but that doesn't mean others try to make money from it themselves. Labels are mostly running at a loss for a number of reasons.

Chris you're embarrassing yourself here. Usual comebacks etc but as I said, I've come to expect that from you.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=Knightsfan87;1231237]Using an local artist here in Sydney as an example - He is a DJ, runs a touring promotion & a record store. He still works a 9-5 job to pay the bills. Why's he do the music side of things? Because he loves it. It doesn't pay all the bills though.[/QUOTE] Yea i know this all too well, you're unlikely to make money from music unless you're one of the top guys, this is why smaller artists are so insistant on pleasing the bigger guys to play their music, it's like trickle down economics

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=thebanned1;1231256]I know I'll not make money from it but that doesn't mean others try to make money from it themselves. Labels are mostly running at a loss for a number of reasons.

Chris you're embarrassing yourself here. Usual comebacks etc but as I said, I've come to expect that from you.[/QUOTE]

Dom you are the one that decided to get offensive and derail the thread back in post 151.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=thebanned1;1231231]yea music isn't business that's why they teach business music courses at most of the prestige colleges

[URL]https://www.pointblankmusicschool.com/courses/london/degree-and-he-programmes/ba-hons-music-industry-management/?gclid=Cj0KCQiAwMP9BRCzARIsAPWTJ_EaMcfbKgt-8fcT79NKLSYfbvWjZkOe-7CHiizZ2pHshE1khFGZg84aAnVwEALw_wcB[/URL][/QUOTE]

The people attending them courses are more likely to get a job in a major record company rather than working for a small label putting out a few releases a year.

We have done the whole working for free bit before. People do not have the right to a certain career, if you can make money out of doing something that you love great. You will probably find that many DJ's and musicians that have had limited success in the 90's or 00's have had to get a job because the work has run dry. Luke Fair, Sean Cusack, Matthew Roberts are examples that I can think of, they still gig, but they also have steady jobs. I'm not saying that they do not deserve to get paid, but they are not guaranteed a living out of it either.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=♫♫♫♫♫♫;1231261]Dom you are the one that decided to get offensive and derail the thread back in post 151.[/QUOTE] who said I got offensive, your stupidity is my pet peeve, and of course you never said "top cuntery here" long before that

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=♫♫♫♫♫♫;1231262]The people attending them courses are more likely to get a job in a major record company rather than working for a small label putting out a few releases a year.

We have done the whole working for free bit before. People do not have the right to a certain career, if you can make money out of doing something that you love great. You will probably find that many DJ's and musicians that have had limited success in the 90's or 00's have had to get a job because the work has run dry. Luke Fair, Sean Cusack, Matthew Roberts are examples that I can think of, they still gig, but they also have steady jobs. I'm not saying that they do not deserve to get paid, but they are not guaranteed a living out of it either.[/QUOTE] oh wait ? the music is a business now is it ?

make up your mind Chris

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=thebanned1;1231264]oh wait ? the music is a business now is it ?

make up your mind Chris[/QUOTE]

WTF are you on about?

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

I wonder who many big name DJ's have put on their own night and got support acts or warm up DJ's to play for little money, or even for free, all done under the banner of giving them an opportunity. Some of these support acts have had to pay for flights, hotels and food, while the top DJ still takes their big pay packet. Many big name DJ's will also still take their large earnings on a night they know made a loss.

I posted this on Facebook and the thread got locked because some idiot could not comprehend that big name DJ's would do such a thing. The practice is more common the you think.