Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

It's a pivotal moment in MS' history, things have changed for good.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Mixcloud select is only 64k if you download the file to play anywhere. I don’t know whether the stream is higher quality.

it’s exactly that reason why the community wants their own high quality version.

I’ve subscribed out of respect for the cause not because I will ever you the app

Listening to the show is either inconvenient or poor quality due to buffering

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Real disappointing it's come to this, but I suppose not a surprise.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

^^especially after all the support MS has given Digweed over the years...

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

I doubt Digweed himself is personally doing this because he knows MS is sharing the sets.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Hi everyone

My understanding is this was part of a batch of music taken down - the main aim was to prevent piracy especially with Bedrock releases, because the label supports artists especially during this difficult time. Artists get a % of sales and the illegal file sharing really impacts that revenue stream to the producers making the music, and labels that support graphic designers, engineers mastering tracks etc.

Mixcloud is the official way to get and support the Bunkers - that starts the conversation regarding paying for streams and starts to try and get revenue going to artists and labels. Plus you can hear this for free as a live broadcast on a Saturday night in the first place.

I appreciate people collect and want physical copies on drives but please do what you can do support the makers of the music. If other platforms start to follow suite then more and more goes to the creators of the music we all love to hear.

If you are ripping and sharing the sets can I suggest a few things - keep the quality to 320 (not even sure you can create a higher quality file based on the original stream as the additional elements won't have been in the source) and can you only have the files up temporarily. The last thing needed is someone saying they have HQ bunkers and then selling pirate box sets across the internet with the finger pointed at [ms]

Also if you like the music - buy some of the tracks to compensate on the likes of Bandcamp so the artists and labels get some revenue. I know a lot are struggling right now, and even those that have decided to re-train are struggling given the employment challenge globally with limited work out there.

John, I know appreciates the support and sense of community. If you read the words and sentiment here then this better explains his views far better than I can try to convey:

[B][URL="https://909originals.com/2020/11/12/music-has-been-one-of-the-greatest-escapes-from-the-lockdown-period-909originals-catches-up-with-john-digweed/"][COLOR=#ffa500]https://909originals.com/2020/11/12/music-has-been-one-of-the-greatest-escapes-from-the-lockdown-period-909originals-catches-up-with-john-digweed/[/COLOR][/URL][/B]

So if you do put up any more Bunker in the spirit of 'live and let live' then please do this short term, discretely ... and please, please, please support the makers of the music somehow via bandcamp etc. where you can - appreciating these are trying and testing times for everyone financially.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Thanks Simon. For what it's worth I ALWAYS track down the tracks I like and buy them through Bandcamp or Juno. I do what I can to support the artists themselves - from my point of view my downloading these mixes doesn't change that. It's not a replacement for the individual, unmixed tracks, but I appreciate not everyone does this so can understand why things are being tightened up in the current climate.

On a side note, I saw someone selling packs of old EMs on a website a few weeks back. Makes my blood boil - especially if any of my rips have ended up in there. They were shared as not for profit - the way that it should be.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=chuckc;1231082]^^especially after all the support MS has given Digweed over the years...[/QUOTE]

Exactly.

People who have paid money to share his music (the MS Archive) are considered as pirates now.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Just for clarity my piracy reference was the official releases Sbando i.e. the 100s of illegal downloads that go up for each official release on the first day of sale across the internet. Those illegal downloads take away the revenue going to producers of the music we like.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=simonr;1231093]Just for clarity my piracy reference was the official releases Sbando i.e. the 100s of illegal downloads that go up for each official release on the first day of sale across the internet. Those illegal downloads take away the revenue going to producers of the music we like.[/QUOTE]

yes, which was my point about the differnce from a live broadcast and a bought album.

No one wants to detract from this revenue of the artist. But if we record a live broadcast and post it??? The radio station/webcast should pay the royalties based on the number of assumed listeners. Once it is free, you have no control over it. It is not a physical thing like a CD.

The leeches that then sell radio/web sets for cash on ebay are the fuckers they should go after as they are monetizing it. we share for the community!

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Its a mix at the end of the day. Anyone worth their salt knows you listen to them then track down and buy the tracks. Its the best advertisement the artists can get. Most of the tracks would struggle selling 20 without his exposure. So its actually damaging if you ask me. Its also all very convenient to be happening now. Waiting for the opportunity.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Haha check out SIMONR - HOLIER THAN THOU INDUSTRY INSIDER,SAVIOUR AND DO GOODER.

That's complete fucking bollox and you know it is. What a turn coat. Prevent piracy of a track within a mix? Laughable. I'll still buy the record if its any good and the artists will see absolutely fuck all change in their income from making the mixes illegal to download and share apart from a couple of quid here and there at best. I can understand the not sharing the mix straight away due to mixcloud hosting it but a week or so later can fuck off.

All well and good isn't it mate now youre working with the artists? Reeks of hypocrisy and irony though that does. You yourself and no doubt the fuckers 'working on behalf' of Diggers have spent countless fucking years doing exactly the same as what everyone else does on here but now youre coming on the very place youve done it yourself and see fit to giving us all a lesson in piracy.

And what about all the countless bootlegs of artists all these fuckers are sampling, playing and stealing illegally on a weekly basis? Its inherent to the industry. Is diggers going to cough up to Led Zep for playing Quivvers Booty of Babe im gonna leave you for a couple of years? All the gigs he played that at getting paid to do so. Is John Graham going to send them their cut after selling the 12's for 20 quid a throw at 3beat? Are Plant and Page getting their royalties back dated? I can list countless, yes countless bootleg records Diggers has played with none of those artists getting a cent while he's busy earning 30k plus a gig. Hypocrisy at its worst. When it suits. Maybe he's forgetting this?

Your tune has well and truly changed quick smart. An industry glove puppet. Tantamount to be a labourite and jumping ship to the Tories and pissing on the pleasure for everyone else.

Mixed messages (Ala Tory) 'If you have to rip the mixes and share them on here downgrade them' Or 'You cant rip and file share on here anymore'. Which one is it?

Keep mix sharing underground. Just create groups and share via pm or through a private site. No one will even fucking notice the difference. Piracy my bollox. Opportunist money grabbing is what it is. Implemented using the thin veil of a pandemic as an excuse. I'll reiterate what I said the in the other post - Diggers playing tracks in a mix, his or anyone else's, is the best form of advertising they could possibly hope for. And ill carry on supporting the artists who make great tracks by purchasing them off the correct outlets and continue to support diggers by buying his mix CDs and paying to watch him live playing other people's records. (If I ever get out again)

[QUOTE=simonr;1231086]Hi everyone

My understanding is this was part of a batch of music taken down - the main aim was to prevent piracy especially with Bedrock releases, because the label supports artists especially during this difficult time. Artists get a % of sales and the illegal file sharing really impacts that revenue stream to the producers making the music, and labels that support graphic designers, engineers mastering tracks etc.

Mixcloud is the official way to get and support the Bunkers - that starts the conversation regarding paying for streams and starts to try and get revenue going to artists and labels. Plus you can hear this for free as a live broadcast on a Saturday night in the first place.

I appreciate people collect and want physical copies on drives but please do what you can do support the makers of the music. If other platforms start to follow suite then more and more goes to the creators of the music we all love to hear.

If you are ripping and sharing the sets can I suggest a few things - keep the quality to 320 (not even sure you can create a higher quality file based on the original stream as the additional elements won't have been in the source) and can you only have the files up temporarily. The last thing needed is someone saying they have HQ bunkers and then selling pirate box sets across the internet with the finger pointed at [ms]

Also if you like the music - buy some of the tracks to compensate on the likes of Bandcamp so the artists and labels get some revenue. I know a lot are struggling right now, and even those that have decided to re-train are struggling given the employment challenge globally with limited work out there.

John, I know appreciates the support and sense of community. If you read the words and sentiment here then this better explains his views far better than I can try to convey:

[B][URL="https://909originals.com/2020/11/12/music-has-been-one-of-the-greatest-escapes-from-the-lockdown-period-909originals-catches-up-with-john-digweed/"][COLOR=#ffa500]https://909originals.com/2020/11/12/music-has-been-one-of-the-greatest-escapes-from-the-lockdown-period-909originals-catches-up-with-john-digweed/[/COLOR][/URL][/B]

So if you do put up any more Bunker in the spirit of 'live and let live' then please do this short term, discretely ... and please, please, please support the makers of the music somehow via bandcamp etc. where you can - appreciating these are trying and testing times for everyone financially.[/QUOTE]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Cheers

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Let's not get drawn into some chin stroking pontification. We're fans. I know where I stand. This isn't so much about pirating — it's collecting. I buy every Digweed compilation and owned his Bedrock tshirts. I caught every gig I flew halfway round the world for Bedrock. If these Bunkers get released, I'd buy them too.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

If he starts adding old and rare live sets then subscribing will be a must, at present the offer doesn't justify 5 euro a month.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Love you Dermo, never change.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=Dhar_2;1231096] The radio station/webcast should pay the royalties based on the number of assumed listeners. Once it is free, you have no control over it. It is not a physical thing like a CD. [/QUOTE]

People make money from downloads too.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

knew this would happen and thank fuck it has.

and

oh how the mighty have fallen

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Ok so back to the music for those of us lucky enough to have heard Bunker 27....I'm about an hour in and wow...excellent music and I've never heard Digweed play so many breaks.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't MS started specifically to host Digweed's Kiss 100 mixes.

I started on MS back in the pretty early days (before the big 2004 MS crash) and you actually had to have a password to DL the kiss mixes.

The other thing I dont get is that Digs has started including more and more voiceovers on the bunker mixes so what is the harm in sharing these. We are not chopping them up and using them in dj sets. LOL.

And like others said most of us dl the set, find the tracks we like and then buy the tracks from the artists....if anything we are helping the artists make MORE $$

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Fuck me, this mix is really, absolutely excellent in all the areas that impact me the most. Programming, track selection, layering, atmosphere.....it's perfection. This really might be his most interesting one so far.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

So all there's left is a lossy stream on mixcloud with voice overs :( we have to pay for? I think I'm going to pass on this one.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Lucan made some serious points.

Anyway, I did enjoy the breaks oriented section of this - really excellent session. Also, unless I missed it big time, this is the first bunker that he hasn't actually talked during. Plenty of voiceovers, but no message. Kind of missed it...

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Okay, I'm getting bombarded by people asking me to put up FLAC links for, well, pretty much every Bunker set. Sorry I haven't replied to everyone individually. Also sorry, but I have no interest in doing this. I prefer torrenting on private sites to keeping an eye on links that go dead every 5 minutes and advertising the fact of what I am doing to all and sundry. Unfortunately the DMCA threat has scared off the torrent sites too, so that's no longer an option either.

I haven't used Soulseek much for many years, but I do have that installed (I think), so I am considering moving them all over to there and sharing them that way for those that want them. Let me know if there would be any interest in me doing that and I will get something organised.

Feck knows what happens with future Bunkers, as I've no idea how Mood was capturing the Mixcloud streams. Otherwise I'd give that a go myself too. Think we just have to treat them like a club set. Enjoy the experience but accept no one recorded it, and if the DJ did, they are firmly under lock and key until they get used for a radio show or summat.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Simon did say he is OK with posting 320 mp3 links but only have them up for a limited time and not available forever. i have soulseek installed as well, so yes another option. i think at the very least, there will still be 128 mp3's out there.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=ddr;1231120]Simon did say he is OK with posting 320 mp3 links but only have them up for a limited time and not available forever. i have soulseek installed as well, so yes another option. i think at the very least, there will still be 128 mp3's out there.[/QUOTE]

Yeh this it what i read so if thats the case why have the 320 links been removed?

Please reinstate.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=ENNISELLIS;1231119]Okay, I'm getting bombarded by people asking me to put up FLAC links for, well, pretty much every Bunker set. Sorry I haven't replied to everyone individually. Also sorry, but I have no interest in doing this. I prefer torrenting on private sites to keeping an eye on links that go dead every 5 minutes and advertising the fact of what I am doing to all and sundry. Unfortunately the DMCA threat has scared off the torrent sites too, so that's no longer an option either.

I haven't used Soulseek much for many years, but I do have that installed (I think), so I am considering moving them all over to there and sharing them that way for those that want them. Let me know if there would be any interest in me doing that and I will get something organised.

Feck knows what happens with future Bunkers, as I've no idea how Mood was capturing the Mixcloud streams. Otherwise I'd give that a go myself too. Think we just have to treat them like a club set. Enjoy the experience but accept no one recorded it, and if the DJ did, they are firmly under lock and key until they get used for a radio show or summat.[/QUOTE]

If they are leaving no option then all good. I still think 320 links are the way forward personally for all to share.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=chuckc;1231113]Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't MS started specifically to host Digweed's Kiss 100 mixes.

I started on MS back in the pretty early days (before the big 2004 MS crash) and you actually had to have a password to DL the kiss mixes.

[/QUOTE]

Correct. Proton radio?

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

I'm going to personally message Mute records and Dave Gahan to make sure they got their 3 pence from mixcoud too.

Who's auditing these fuckers to check? Is there a clear and transparent pathway to monitor and record who gets what? Id love to see the inconsistencies for myself.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=ENNISELLIS;1231119]Okay, I'm getting bombarded by people asking me to put up FLAC links for, well, pretty much every Bunker set. Sorry I haven't replied to everyone individually. Also sorry, but I have no interest in doing this. I prefer torrenting on private sites to keeping an eye on links that go dead every 5 minutes and advertising the fact of what I am doing to all and sundry. Unfortunately the DMCA threat has scared off the torrent sites too, so that's no longer an option either.

I haven't used Soulseek much for many years, but I do have that installed (I think), so I am considering moving them all over to there and sharing them that way for those that want them. Let me know if there would be any interest in me doing that and I will get something organised.

Feck knows what happens with future Bunkers, as I've no idea how Mood was capturing the Mixcloud streams. Otherwise I'd give that a go myself too. Think we just have to treat them like a club set. Enjoy the experience but accept no one recorded it, and if the DJ did, they are firmly under lock and key until they get used for a radio show or summat.[/QUOTE] Soulseek would be a great option if you are willing.. please & thank you.

While I get the preference of using private torrent sites (guessing you mean private trackers?).. it's not accessible for all, or at least, not easily accessible. At least somrthing like Soulseek, even a dumbass like myself managed to setup.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=Knightsfan87;1231127]While I get the preference of using private torrent sites (guessing you mean private trackers?).. it's not accessible for all, or at least, not easily accessible. At least somrthing like Soulseek, even a dumbass like myself managed to setup.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, just trying to differentiate between more off the books sites like TMB and even Tribal that I'm happy to use, and your bog standard Pirate Bay or whatever. I tend to avoid those unless I'm REALLY drawing a blank on a documentary, out of print CD, or something. If I can find what I'm after I seed back 100% then cut and run. Don't want to stay any longer than necessary. And even then I've never uploaded anything to any of them. Far too dodgy.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Think we should properly exhaust the 320 option on here personally. Then its all above board and no one is getting their knickers in a twist. If they don't like that, then, well, fuck 'em.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Biting my tongue so hard here .:lol:

Btw pretty sure Phil K would not feel a monetised set with crap sound was a tribute.

Balance records have a podcast available which I get through iTunes subscription [url]https://soundcloud.com/balance-series/balance-selections-tribute-to-phil-k[/url]

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

I've tried staying clear of the whole privacy part of this, but I'm 100% in agreeance with lord lucan - Mixcloud are so full of shit with paying out royalties. It's such a bullshit stance to now make. What's more so disappointing is artists using the current "pandemic" & the royalties bullshit line to get people's subscription money.

Let's not leave Mixcloud out of this - That piece of shit service wants people to pay for a "Premium" subscription, in additional to subscribing to select artists, all in the meanwhile dishing up pathetic sound quality regardless of the device you're using & a junk web page/phone app.

What's worse, is people actually think Mixcloud's sound quality is "fine", or "have never had an issue with sound quality". That's where the majority of people are at. To top it all off, artists think there sound quality is fine, Anthony Pappa to name a few.

Hopefully someone continues posting the 320 version on here, but a FLAC version elsewhere (soulseek or TMB) would be even better.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=DIDI;1231131]Biting my tongue so hard here .:lol:

Btw pretty sure Phil K would not feel a monetised set with crap sound was a tribute.

Balance records have a podcast available which I get through iTunes subscription [URL]https://soundcloud.com/balance-series/balance-selections-tribute-to-phil-k[/URL][/QUOTE] Spot on with the Phil K mention.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=Knightsfan87;1231132]I've tried staying clear of the whole privacy part of this, but I'm 100% in agreeance with lord lucan - Mixcloud are so full of shit with paying out royalties. It's such a bullshit stance to now make. What's more so disappointing is artists using the current "pandemic" & the royalties bullshit line to get people's subscription money.

Let's not leave Mixcloud out of this - That piece of shit service wants people to pay for a "Premium" subscription, in additional to subscribing to select artists, all in the meanwhile dishing up pathetic sound quality regardless of the device you're using & a junk web page/phone app.

What's worse, is people actually think Mixcloud's sound quality is "fine", or "have never had an issue with sound quality". That's where the majority of people are at. To top it all off, artists think there sound quality is fine, Anthony Pappa to name a few.

Hopefully someone continues posting the 320 version on here, but a FLAC version elsewhere (soulseek or TMB) would be even better.[/QUOTE]

Yep ,all bang on that is. Mixcloud should be made to prove their royalty payments too. You know so everyone can be certain their hard earned is going to the rightful owners of the music.

It'll all come out in the wash this will eventually, you cant make a promise/statement like that without proving it. All the id - id and unreleased mixes, who gets that money? Oh yeh Mixcloud keep that. Fucking charlatans providing a wank service.

Lets face it if Facebook hadnt kept fucking diggers mixes over you'd have never even been here. This was an opportunist moment for fuckers to make money out of an already shitty situation.

Have to laugh at this too . Charging for a tracklist.

'[URL="https://www.mixcloud.com/johndigweed/select/"]Upfront tracklists are available with a Select subscription[/URL]'

Oh really? Wonder where they are leeched from?

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

Mixcloud only have to make reasonable effort to track and pay the artists. It's probably a lot harder if the the DJ has not supplied the tracklist (which may don't) if they did artists have a better chance of getting something. I'm sure MixCloud also get money when a user purchases a track on their click to buy option and even the click to buy option takes you to the wrong track sometimes.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

If your music is truly the best you want to maximize the exposure to prove to people that it actually is - restrictions make no sense. I'd like to see the files shared at the best possible quality. Bless.

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

[QUOTE=Knightsfan87;1231132]I've tried staying clear of the whole privacy part of this, but I'm 100% in agreeance with lord lucan - Mixcloud are so full of shit with paying out royalties. It's such a bullshit stance to now make. What's more so disappointing is artists using the current "pandemic" & the royalties bullshit line to get people's subscription money.

Let's not leave Mixcloud out of this - That piece of shit service wants people to pay for a "Premium" subscription, in additional to subscribing to select artists, all in the meanwhile dishing up pathetic sound quality regardless of the device you're using & a junk web page/phone app.

What's worse, is people actually think Mixcloud's sound quality is "fine", or "have never had an issue with sound quality". That's where the majority of people are at. To top it all off, artists think there sound quality is fine, Anthony Pappa to name a few.

Hopefully someone continues posting the 320 version on here, but a FLAC version elsewhere (soulseek or TMB) would be even better.[/QUOTE]

Don't have to bite my tongue anymore I think you covered it all. :lol: Thank you !!

Unfortunately the artist is the last one on the money list these days. :(

Re: John Digweed - Bunker Session #27 (07-11-20)

It is funny. Years ago artists would be stoked just to have their track played by DJ's like Sasha, Digweed, Oakenfold. I met a a guy in a pub in London a few years ago. He had a track on Sasha's Ibiza cd and another on Tenaglia's London one. I don't know if he got paid much for it, but you could tell he was more proud of the fact that his tracks were on them CD's, I think that he would have let them use the tracks for free.